Re: [bolger] How seaworthy is an AS 29?
The second skin idea with foam is a very good concept, especially if a grid
of glued and screwed furring strips running at right angles are placed on
the original shell first. That turns the skin of the boat into a torsion
box, which is incredibly strong and stiff. I've thought this would make for
good boat construction if designed so from the start. Say put a skin of
pressure treated plywood on the outside and a skin of baltic birch on the
inside, with foam in between. You would have a tough, cheap, abrasion
tolerant skin on the outside and beautiful surface for the inside, with
flotation not interfering with internal space. A torsion box would also
reduce the amount of internal framing needed.
Fred Schumacher
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Michael Wagner <willers32@...>
wrote:
of glued and screwed furring strips running at right angles are placed on
the original shell first. That turns the skin of the boat into a torsion
box, which is incredibly strong and stiff. I've thought this would make for
good boat construction if designed so from the start. Say put a skin of
pressure treated plywood on the outside and a skin of baltic birch on the
inside, with foam in between. You would have a tough, cheap, abrasion
tolerant skin on the outside and beautiful surface for the inside, with
flotation not interfering with internal space. A torsion box would also
reduce the amount of internal framing needed.
Fred Schumacher
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Michael Wagner <willers32@...>
wrote:
> Last May, Bev and I spent a day with Phil and Suzanne. During that time[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> we had a lengthy discussion on making the AS-29 a true world cruiser.
>
> Suzanne's idea was to laminate a second skin on the boat with 2" blue
> construction foam in between. This would add lots more buoyancy and puncture
> resistance as well. She also suggested a removable "V" section for the bow.
>
> We have sailed our 29 in the Great Lakes with the notorious "vertical chop"
> the lakes are famous for and we're here to tell the tale.
>
> We have survived 60 knot winds, so the boat can "take a licking and keep on
> ticking."
>
> Michael Wagner <willers32@...<willers32%40yahoo.com>> wrote: We've
> made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no
> experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
>
> Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed
> very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
>
> briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...<zogumwesterly%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
> do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
> boat for my family.
>
> Thanks, Briggs Monteith
>
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I sail out of Muskegon. Where do you sail out of on the Great Lakes? I have been looking at the AS-29 for the ultimate Great Lakes boat.
Rick
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From: Michael Wagner <willers32@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:21:06 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] How seaworthy is an AS 29?
Last May, Bev and I spent a day with Phil and Suzanne. During that time we had a lengthy discussion on making the AS-29 a true world cruiser.
Suzanne's idea was to laminate a second skin on the boat with 2" blue construction foam in between. This would add lots more buoyancy and puncture resistance as well. She also suggested a removable "V" section for the bow.
We have sailed our 29 in the Great Lakes with the notorious "vertical chop" the lakes are famous for and we're here to tell the tale.
We have survived 60 knot winds, so the boat can "take a licking and keep on ticking."
Michael Wagner <willers32@yahoo. com> wrote: We've made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
Ron Paul for President
Hope for America
Be part of it.
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From: Michael Wagner <willers32@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:21:06 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] How seaworthy is an AS 29?
Last May, Bev and I spent a day with Phil and Suzanne. During that time we had a lengthy discussion on making the AS-29 a true world cruiser.
Suzanne's idea was to laminate a second skin on the boat with 2" blue construction foam in between. This would add lots more buoyancy and puncture resistance as well. She also suggested a removable "V" section for the bow.
We have sailed our 29 in the Great Lakes with the notorious "vertical chop" the lakes are famous for and we're here to tell the tale.
We have survived 60 knot winds, so the boat can "take a licking and keep on ticking."
Michael Wagner <willers32@yahoo. com> wrote: We've made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
Ron Paul for President
Hope for America
Be part of it.
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Hope for America
Be part of it.
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Last May, Bev and I spent a day with Phil and Suzanne. During that time we had a lengthy discussion on making the AS-29 a true world cruiser.
Suzanne's idea was to laminate a second skin on the boat with 2" blue construction foam in between. This would add lots more buoyancy and puncture resistance as well. She also suggested a removable "V" section for the bow.
We have sailed our 29 in the Great Lakes with the notorious "vertical chop" the lakes are famous for and we're here to tell the tale.
We have survived 60 knot winds, so the boat can "take a licking and keep on ticking."
Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote: We've made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
Ron Paul for President
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Suzanne's idea was to laminate a second skin on the boat with 2" blue construction foam in between. This would add lots more buoyancy and puncture resistance as well. She also suggested a removable "V" section for the bow.
We have sailed our 29 in the Great Lakes with the notorious "vertical chop" the lakes are famous for and we're here to tell the tale.
We have survived 60 knot winds, so the boat can "take a licking and keep on ticking."
Michael Wagner <willers32@...> wrote: We've made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
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I have just finished writing a letter to Bolger and friends, so it might be a couple of weeks before I hear back.
I have absolutely no experience on any boat of this type, but I have several thousand blue water miles behind me on more conventional sailboats.
And as for the building aspect I have worked in boatyards, building, reaping and rigging
.I have raced scows and various other dinghies, but I am having trouble comprehending the sailing tendencies of such a different type of boat.
Our cruising grounds for the near future will be the west coast of Florida, Mexico, and Central America. Our Current boat draws 5 feet and is pretty frustrating.
Briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
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I have absolutely no experience on any boat of this type, but I have several thousand blue water miles behind me on more conventional sailboats.
And as for the building aspect I have worked in boatyards, building, reaping and rigging
.I have raced scows and various other dinghies, but I am having trouble comprehending the sailing tendencies of such a different type of boat.
Our cruising grounds for the near future will be the west coast of Florida, Mexico, and Central America. Our Current boat draws 5 feet and is pretty frustrating.
Briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briggs monteith" <zogumwesterly@...>
wrote:
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
wrote:
>What did Phil and Suzanne say when you asked them?
> I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
> do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29?
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Now that's CAHONES I have sailed the Biscay but on a 100SqMeter and it ain't pleasant! WoW!
From: loosemoosefilmworks <loosemoosefilmworks@...>
Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 04:46:14 CDT
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: How seaworthy is an AS 29?
Well our experience is not with the AS29 but I think Sheila and I have a semi educated take
on it being seaworthy having sailed our Loose Moose ( Jessie Cooper) up and down the
English channel, into the North Sea, Baltic, and across the Bay of Biscay ( know by just about
everyone as one horrible bit of water) in pretty much all conditions from fair to foul.
Plus we have sailed Loose Moose 2 across the Atlantic after doing a circumnavigation of the
Med... Which gave us ample experience sailing with a truncated bow which was never ever
had any problem.
So yes the AS29 is one pretty seaworthy boat...Go for it!
All the best
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
From: loosemoosefilmworks <loosemoosefilmworks@...>
Date: 2008/04/22 Tue PM 04:46:14 CDT
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: How seaworthy is an AS 29?
Well our experience is not with the AS29 but I think Sheila and I have a semi educated take
on it being seaworthy having sailed our Loose Moose ( Jessie Cooper) up and down the
English channel, into the North Sea, Baltic, and across the Bay of Biscay ( know by just about
everyone as one horrible bit of water) in pretty much all conditions from fair to foul.
Plus we have sailed Loose Moose 2 across the Atlantic after doing a circumnavigation of the
Med... Which gave us ample experience sailing with a truncated bow which was never ever
had any problem.
So yes the AS29 is one pretty seaworthy boat...Go for it!
All the best
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
Well our experience is not with the AS29 but I think Sheila and I have a semi educated take
on it being seaworthy having sailed our Loose Moose ( Jessie Cooper) up and down the
English channel, into the North Sea, Baltic, and across the Bay of Biscay ( know by just about
everyone as one horrible bit of water) in pretty much all conditions from fair to foul.
Plus we have sailed Loose Moose 2 across the Atlantic after doing a circumnavigation of the
Med... Which gave us ample experience sailing with a truncated bow which was never ever
had any problem.
So yes the AS29 is one pretty seaworthy boat...Go for it!
All the best
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
on it being seaworthy having sailed our Loose Moose ( Jessie Cooper) up and down the
English channel, into the North Sea, Baltic, and across the Bay of Biscay ( know by just about
everyone as one horrible bit of water) in pretty much all conditions from fair to foul.
Plus we have sailed Loose Moose 2 across the Atlantic after doing a circumnavigation of the
Med... Which gave us ample experience sailing with a truncated bow which was never ever
had any problem.
So yes the AS29 is one pretty seaworthy boat...Go for it!
All the best
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
We've made several crossings in the Gulf of Mexico in our AS-29. Still no experience in the ocean, but that is coming soon.
Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
Ron Paul for President
Hope for America
Be part of it.
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Our biggest Gulf crossing was Naples FL to Key West. The boat performed very well and that was 115 nm of open water in good weather.
briggs monteith <zogumwesterly@...> wrote:
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
Ron Paul for President
Hope for America
Be part of it.
---------------------------------
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "briggs monteith" <zogumwesterly@...>
wrote:
which may be"how well can you build her?".The boat is self righting,as
designed and with her enclosed leeboards raised,presents relatively
little area for big storm waves to trip her.Her somewhat exposed flat
bottom can be noisy in the right(wrong) conditions but that is not a
pure seaworthy factor unless you include sleep deprivation to the crew
and possible effects(errors)on the crew.The large traditional mainsail
may take some getting used to as it will require a different mind set
when sailing compared to more conventional,under-canvased marconi
rigged boats.Your own level of competence,in the end,may be the
biggest determinant of this boats seaworthness.
Where are you planning to sail her and will you be building her?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
wrote:
>perfect
> I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
> do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the
> boat for my family.Seaworthiness is,per se,dependant on a number of factors,not least of
>
> Thanks, Briggs Monteith
which may be"how well can you build her?".The boat is self righting,as
designed and with her enclosed leeboards raised,presents relatively
little area for big storm waves to trip her.Her somewhat exposed flat
bottom can be noisy in the right(wrong) conditions but that is not a
pure seaworthy factor unless you include sleep deprivation to the crew
and possible effects(errors)on the crew.The large traditional mainsail
may take some getting used to as it will require a different mind set
when sailing compared to more conventional,under-canvased marconi
rigged boats.Your own level of competence,in the end,may be the
biggest determinant of this boats seaworthness.
Where are you planning to sail her and will you be building her?
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
I've heard that The AS 29 is ocean capable, Is it really possible to
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith
do safe offshore sailing in an AS 29? If so I think it is the perfect
boat for my family.
Thanks, Briggs Monteith