Re: John's Mystery Boat
Interesting. The step out bow makes sense w/o being as pronounced as
Micro, Martha Jane, or some Michalak designs. I would prefer an Idaho
square boat design that keeps everything inside the chine.
Thanks for posting.
Don
Micro, Martha Jane, or some Michalak designs. I would prefer an Idaho
square boat design that keeps everything inside the chine.
Thanks for posting.
Don
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul McLellan" <paulmclellan@...> wrote:
>
> It has been a while but John Bartlett completed the cabin and
> mechanicals to get the new Bolger inspired light cruiser launched.
>
It has been a while but John Bartlett completed the cabin and
mechanicals to get the new Bolger inspired light cruiser launched. I
have attached three pictures.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/625b?c=
Johns description is below but I had a chance to try it out and the
performance is incredible. It looks pretty funky but with the
birdwatcher hatch it is easy to move about and with the daybed
conversion to a double it should make a fast light camp cruiser. Of
course as with all Bolger boats you can expect to draw a crowd and
spend a lot of time explaining things to the great uneducated masses
of tupperware boaters. regards and happy boating -- Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captjbturtle" <captjbturtle@...>
wrote:
mechanicals to get the new Bolger inspired light cruiser launched. I
have attached three pictures.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/625b?c=
Johns description is below but I had a chance to try it out and the
performance is incredible. It looks pretty funky but with the
birdwatcher hatch it is easy to move about and with the daybed
conversion to a double it should make a fast light camp cruiser. Of
course as with all Bolger boats you can expect to draw a crowd and
spend a lot of time explaining things to the great uneducated masses
of tupperware boaters. regards and happy boating -- Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "captjbturtle" <captjbturtle@...>
wrote:
>an
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
> >
> >http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2457045511/
> >
> yes Bruce, thats the boat, thanks, IUve been interested since it
> first came out and based on the sucess of my sneakeasy which has
> almost identical dimensions i wanted it even more. The only changes
> to the cartoon are I lengthene the cabin to 10 feet and will put
> off center birdwatcher pass thru. I also split the bow to make itrevs
> easier to get on and off on the beach. She has been even easier to
> build than sneak with no ducktails and bth sides parallograms
> giving flare instead of having to cut sheer. the hull and cabin
> sides are finished and now loaded on the trailer to be finished in
> canada, looks good and was very cheap and easy. Its hard to believe
> how effecient the sneak is with my 9.9 yamaha 4 stroke, maybe 20mpg
> runnimng to a clean plane in the teens andf very quiet at low
> and a nice long legged cruising speed. because of the flare andjohn
> lackof side deckes this boat "Turtle 11 " has much more interior
> volume too.Everybody asks aboiut the stability of a boat 4 feet on
> the bottom but no problems the Sneak is a great boat feels veryh
> secure and get a lot of attention painted black running as she does
> dead level through the whole speed range. I think this boat will be
> a great trailerable cruiser, she is very light and low, regards
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
or after Sharpshooter? I wonder if they're more connected than a
study plan would show?
You see, Outboard Cruiser (OC) seems to have the bottom of the
windscreen at a height of about 2'6" rather than about 4' in
Sharpshooter#1, and is shown with the helm seat almost on the floor.
The height of crew weight underway therefor should be much lower than
that problem is in Sharpshooter#1. However, the slot top of OC might
encourage passengers to stand when underway.., might it not? And what
about the dinghy weight on top?
OC seems to have much less rocker than Sharpshooter, particularly
toward the bow. I wonder if this would increase or decrease the
highly unacceptable rolling upon steering correction, after first
yawing when crossing a following wave, that saw the Sharpshooter#1
remodeled?
In the 1982 30-ODD BOATS chapter on Sharpshooter Bolger writes that
since 1954 he must have done at least 20 variations on this square-
tail dory idea, at various lengths. I haven't heard of a handling
problem with Sea Hawk at any reasonable speed. Sea Hawk even has
quarter skids specified for larger engines to prevent any sideways
planing... so it would seem tight turning never triggers digging in
and rolling...
Are the Sharpshooter#1 problems mainly why PCB wasn't interested in
completing the design of Outboard Cruiser?
Graeme
> He told me to suck eggs. Actually, he was very nice, but said thatI wonder why, do you know those reasons? Is Outboard Cruiser before
> if I went ahead and built it, I should consider it *my* design, and
> that he wouldn't help me (with good reason, I feel).
or after Sharpshooter? I wonder if they're more connected than a
study plan would show?
You see, Outboard Cruiser (OC) seems to have the bottom of the
windscreen at a height of about 2'6" rather than about 4' in
Sharpshooter#1, and is shown with the helm seat almost on the floor.
The height of crew weight underway therefor should be much lower than
that problem is in Sharpshooter#1. However, the slot top of OC might
encourage passengers to stand when underway.., might it not? And what
about the dinghy weight on top?
OC seems to have much less rocker than Sharpshooter, particularly
toward the bow. I wonder if this would increase or decrease the
highly unacceptable rolling upon steering correction, after first
yawing when crossing a following wave, that saw the Sharpshooter#1
remodeled?
In the 1982 30-ODD BOATS chapter on Sharpshooter Bolger writes that
since 1954 he must have done at least 20 variations on this square-
tail dory idea, at various lengths. I haven't heard of a handling
problem with Sea Hawk at any reasonable speed. Sea Hawk even has
quarter skids specified for larger engines to prevent any sideways
planing... so it would seem tight turning never triggers digging in
and rolling...
Are the Sharpshooter#1 problems mainly why PCB wasn't interested in
completing the design of Outboard Cruiser?
Graeme
> . Its hard to believeThat is good to hear, considering that the Topaz Spyder which I am
> how effecient the sneak is with my 9.9 yamaha 4 stroke, maybe 20mpg
> runnimng to a clean plane in the teens andf very quiet at low revs
> and a nice long legged cruising speed.
building has an very similar shape, 25% bigger. Bolger specifies a
10hp as an acceptable motor for Topaz. With $4 gasoline now, I think
that fuel efficient boats make more sense that ever.
Update on Topaz, I am presently working on the navigation lights, and
am looking at a weekend of sanding of primer on the windscreen, and
inside the rear compartment.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
first came out and based on the sucess of my sneakeasy which has
almost identical dimensions i wanted it even more. The only changes
to the cartoon are I lengthene the cabin to 10 feet and will put an
off center birdwatcher pass thru. I also split the bow to make it
easier to get on and off on the beach. She has been even easier to
build than sneak with no ducktails and bth sides parallograms
giving flare instead of having to cut sheer. the hull and cabin
sides are finished and now loaded on the trailer to be finished in
canada, looks good and was very cheap and easy. Its hard to believe
how effecient the sneak is with my 9.9 yamaha 4 stroke, maybe 20mpg
runnimng to a clean plane in the teens andf very quiet at low revs
and a nice long legged cruising speed. because of the flare and
lackof side deckes this boat "Turtle 11 " has much more interior
volume too.Everybody asks aboiut the stability of a boat 4 feet on
the bottom but no problems the Sneak is a great boat feels veryh
secure and get a lot of attention painted black running as she does
dead level through the whole speed range. I think this boat will be
a great trailerable cruiser, she is very light and low, regards john
>yes Bruce, thats the boat, thanks, IUve been interested since it
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2457045511/
>
first came out and based on the sucess of my sneakeasy which has
almost identical dimensions i wanted it even more. The only changes
to the cartoon are I lengthene the cabin to 10 feet and will put an
off center birdwatcher pass thru. I also split the bow to make it
easier to get on and off on the beach. She has been even easier to
build than sneak with no ducktails and bth sides parallograms
giving flare instead of having to cut sheer. the hull and cabin
sides are finished and now loaded on the trailer to be finished in
canada, looks good and was very cheap and easy. Its hard to believe
how effecient the sneak is with my 9.9 yamaha 4 stroke, maybe 20mpg
runnimng to a clean plane in the teens andf very quiet at low revs
and a nice long legged cruising speed. because of the flare and
lackof side deckes this boat "Turtle 11 " has much more interior
volume too.Everybody asks aboiut the stability of a boat 4 feet on
the bottom but no problems the Sneak is a great boat feels veryh
secure and get a lot of attention painted black running as she does
dead level through the whole speed range. I think this boat will be
a great trailerable cruiser, she is very light and low, regards john
Hi Chris -
The Martha Jane (revised) makes a nice low-powered camper -- 8HP pushes it nicely. You
get the amenities of the Outboard Cruiser and Cabin Clam skiff and still keep under 9.9.
I'd say go ahead and try your 5HP on it first - it might be enough too.
Most of my boating is on local lakes where the wind is too flakey to sail. I use the MJ
mostly as a powerboat.
Food for thought since the MJ is already a finished and tested design.
I have some YouTube footage showing some testing with a small (not the power thrust)
8HP Honda 4-stroke. I don't even have the leeboards or mast on it yet - or the rudder yet
for that matter. Or paint on the transom (or the doors built...) If you want to see it, go to
http://www.youtube.com/mike27608
Once there, click on Bolger Martha Jane Motor Test Run. The engine sounds and
comments you hear are from the chase boat/photographer. The Honda is not very loud at
all.
Using the power thrust 8 instead of the one in the video, I can push the loaded boat just a
bit over 6knots, but the motor is working. Cruising / no wake speed is about 4.5 knots
and the engine is quiet and happy at that speed.
Mike
The Martha Jane (revised) makes a nice low-powered camper -- 8HP pushes it nicely. You
get the amenities of the Outboard Cruiser and Cabin Clam skiff and still keep under 9.9.
I'd say go ahead and try your 5HP on it first - it might be enough too.
Most of my boating is on local lakes where the wind is too flakey to sail. I use the MJ
mostly as a powerboat.
Food for thought since the MJ is already a finished and tested design.
I have some YouTube footage showing some testing with a small (not the power thrust)
8HP Honda 4-stroke. I don't even have the leeboards or mast on it yet - or the rudder yet
for that matter. Or paint on the transom (or the doors built...) If you want to see it, go to
http://www.youtube.com/mike27608
Once there, click on Bolger Martha Jane Motor Test Run. The engine sounds and
comments you hear are from the chase boat/photographer. The Honda is not very loud at
all.
Using the power thrust 8 instead of the one in the video, I can push the loaded boat just a
bit over 6knots, but the motor is working. Cruising / no wake speed is about 4.5 knots
and the engine is quiet and happy at that speed.
Mike
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Chris Crandall <crandall@...> wrote:
>
> > With some minor modification by John, this looks like the much
> > admired but ( I don't believe ) ever built 'Flat Bottom Outboard
> > Cruiser,' ("Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. I tried to get Bolger to finish the design,
> offered him money, told him about the very little information I needed
> to finish the design.
>
> He told me to suck eggs. Actually, he was very nice, but said that if I
> went ahead and built it, I should consider it *my* design, and that he
> wouldn't help me (with good reason, I feel). All I wanted was a little
> information about the dimensions of the bow angle and a little something
> about the stem. He said "build what you like sonny" in the nicest way
> possible.
>
> > As PCB was already working on this idea before the letter to SBJ, I
> > wonder if it was finished. There's no mention in our group designs
> > index... It seems a very, very good boat with accommodations, for the
> > simplicity, cost, motor and fuel cost. Speaking of motors, in the SBJ
> > article PCB didn't seem to address the wished for request of rowing
> > and sculling - Another stretch possibly???
>
>
> They also suggested the big cabin clam skiff, a very likeable boat, but
> I don't want a big engine, I like my 5hp Nissan, and do't want to exceed
> 9.9hp for any of my future boats.
>
> (Of course, the 5hp Nissan is more than enough boat for my Sunfish.)
>
> -Chris
>
Chris,
Nowadays, with Greg's Hulls you could get all that in an hour -and
rebrand yourself a boat designer to boot :}
Nowadays, with Greg's Hulls you could get all that in an hour -and
rebrand yourself a boat designer to boot :}
On May 1, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Chris Crandall wrote:
>> 'Flat Bottom Outboard
>> Cruiser,' ("Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
>
> Yeah, that's what I meant. I tried to get Bolger to finish the design,
> offered him money, told him about the very little information I needed
> to finish the design.
>
> He told me to suck eggs.
> With some minor modification by John, this looks like the muchYeah, that's what I meant. I tried to get Bolger to finish the design,
> admired but ( I don't believe ) ever built 'Flat Bottom Outboard
> Cruiser,' ("Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
offered him money, told him about the very little information I needed
to finish the design.
He told me to suck eggs. Actually, he was very nice, but said that if I
went ahead and built it, I should consider it *my* design, and that he
wouldn't help me (with good reason, I feel). All I wanted was a little
information about the dimensions of the bow angle and a little something
about the stem. He said "build what you like sonny" in the nicest way
possible.
> As PCB was already working on this idea before the letter to SBJ, IThey also suggested the big cabin clam skiff, a very likeable boat, but
> wonder if it was finished. There's no mention in our group designs
> index... It seems a very, very good boat with accommodations, for the
> simplicity, cost, motor and fuel cost. Speaking of motors, in the SBJ
> article PCB didn't seem to address the wished for request of rowing
> and sculling - Another stretch possibly???
I don't want a big engine, I like my 5hp Nissan, and do't want to exceed
9.9hp for any of my future boats.
(Of course, the 5hp Nissan is more than enough boat for my Sunfish.)
-Chris
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
it does too. This sparked off a memory of an enquiry here a few
months ago - I wonder if this design could have satisfied Bruce F,
from over in Perth, back at message #56516
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/56516?threaded=1
A little short maybe.., but at a stretch, you know...
As PCB was already working on this idea before the letter to SBJ, I
wonder if it was finished. There's no mention in our group designs
index... It seems a very, very good boat with accommodations, for the
simplicity, cost, motor and fuel cost. Speaking of motors, in the SBJ
article PCB didn't seem to address the wished for request of rowing
and sculling - Another stretch possibly???
Graeme
PS.
> With some minor modification by John, this looks like the much...Mark,
it does too. This sparked off a memory of an enquiry here a few
months ago - I wonder if this design could have satisfied Bruce F,
from over in Perth, back at message #56516
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/56516?threaded=1
A little short maybe.., but at a stretch, you know...
As PCB was already working on this idea before the letter to SBJ, I
wonder if it was finished. There's no mention in our group designs
index... It seems a very, very good boat with accommodations, for the
simplicity, cost, motor and fuel cost. Speaking of motors, in the SBJ
article PCB didn't seem to address the wished for request of rowing
and sculling - Another stretch possibly???
Graeme
PS.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote:
>
>
> With some minor modification by John, this looks like the much
> admired but ( I don't believe ) ever built 'Flat Bottom Outboard
> Cruiser,'
> ( "Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
>
> Scans are in Bolger>Files>Power Sharpies as Cruiser.
>http://tinyurl.com/6zypka
With some minor modification by John, this looks like the much
admired but ( I don't believe ) ever built 'Flat Bottom Outboard
Cruiser,'
( "Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
Scans are in Bolger>Files>Power Sharpies as Cruiser.
http://tinyurl.com/6zypka
Mark
admired but ( I don't believe ) ever built 'Flat Bottom Outboard
Cruiser,'
( "Dovkie designed for power" ) shown in SBJ #33.
Scans are in Bolger>Files>Power Sharpies as Cruiser.
http://tinyurl.com/6zypka
Mark
On Apr 30, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Paul McLellan wrote:
>http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/2be9?c=
>
> Hopefully this is a link to a photo of John's Mystery Boat.
>
Is that the "River Cruiser"? more pictures, please!
-Chris
-Chris
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/2be9?c=
Hopefully this is a link to a photo of John's Mystery Boat. He said it
is his rendering of a very old bolger Cartoon about 25 years ago. It
is 9 sheets of ply and 9 gallons of epoxy and some 6 oz glass from a
rummage sale. It is 23 feet long, fout foot beam at the bottom and the
flare gives a 5 foot beam. It is still under a $1000 just like Bolger
said it would be 25 years ago. The cabin is 10 feet with a birdwatcher
hatch to walk through. Bolger said it can be powered with anything
from a 5 hp up. The look of the build speaks for itself and will be
quite a camp cruiser. The Rake on the Lake. John hopes to tow it to
Canada to finish this summer and try it out.
Hopefully this is a link to a photo of John's Mystery Boat. He said it
is his rendering of a very old bolger Cartoon about 25 years ago. It
is 9 sheets of ply and 9 gallons of epoxy and some 6 oz glass from a
rummage sale. It is 23 feet long, fout foot beam at the bottom and the
flare gives a 5 foot beam. It is still under a $1000 just like Bolger
said it would be 25 years ago. The cabin is 10 feet with a birdwatcher
hatch to walk through. Bolger said it can be powered with anything
from a 5 hp up. The look of the build speaks for itself and will be
quite a camp cruiser. The Rake on the Lake. John hopes to tow it to
Canada to finish this summer and try it out.