Re: camper #640 and procrastination

John T- They must have listened because the version I recieved had no side railings in the
front, instead replaced with a grab rail, a big mooring cleat and a cross bar with hoops for
anchor stowage. Centerboard is the same

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "John and Kathy Trussell" <jtrussell2@...> wrote:
>
> I bought and studied the palns at great length. IMHO. the railings are more of an
obstical than a help and the mast location would make tending the anchor very difficult. I
wrote PCB and Freinds suggesting a version without the railings and with an mast and CB
offset to one side. Never heard from them and ended up going in a different direction...
>
> JohnT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rick barnes
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
>
>
> What are the particulars on this camper boat? It looks like a good boat for... well,
camping. Wind down in the cabin when sailing, but not too much wind. Cover it up with
canvis, and let it rain. You gotta love that Bolger Guy!
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2008 5:08:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
>
> Hi Bruce & Group, Your isometrics' are great for studying structure & space relations to
a design. Plus my favorite collar is green, so they can't be anything less than gorgeous. But
I gotta say, my first reaction to this one is 'what's with the coffin in the boat', creepy, I
quickly figured it out (still creepy). It should be able to be made quite comfy.
> Thanks, Mike
>
> --- On Sat, 5/3/08, Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org> wrote:
>
> > From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org>
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Saturday, May 3, 2008, 6:52 PM
> > Here are isometrics of Camper 640.
> >
> > http://flickr. com/photos/ hallman/24623880 46/
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Thanks so much- these are awesome.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Here are isometrics of Camper 640.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2462388046/
>
I bought and studied the palns at great length. IMHO. the railings are more of an obstical than a help and the mast location would make tending the anchor very difficult. I wrote PCB and Freinds suggesting a version without the railings and with an mast and CB offset to one side. Never heard from them and ended up going in a different direction...

JohnT
----- Original Message -----
From: rick barnes
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination


What are the particulars on this camper boat? It looks like a good boat for... well, camping. Wind down in the cabin when sailing, but not too much wind. Cover it up with canvis, and let it rain. You gotta love that Bolger Guy!
Rick

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2008 5:08:15 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination

Hi Bruce & Group, Your isometrics' are great for studying structure & space relations to a design. Plus my favorite collar is green, so they can't be anything less than gorgeous. But I gotta say, my first reaction to this one is 'what's with the coffin in the boat', creepy, I quickly figured it out (still creepy). It should be able to be made quite comfy.
Thanks, Mike

--- On Sat, 5/3/08, Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org> wrote:

> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, May 3, 2008, 6:52 PM
> Here are isometrics of Camper 640.
>
> http://flickr. com/photos/ hallman/24623880 46/
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
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> thanks, Fred' posts
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What are the particulars on this camper boat?  It looks like a good boat for...  well, camping.  Wind down in the cabin when sailing, but not too much wind.  Cover it up with canvis, and let it rain.  You gotta love that Bolger Guy!
Rick



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Walther <michawalth3@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2008 5:08:15 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination


Hi Bruce & Group, Your isometrics' are great for studying structure & space relations to a design. Plus my favorite collar is green, so they can't be anything less than gorgeous. But I gotta say, my first reaction to this one is 'what's with the coffin in the boat', creepy, I quickly figured it out (still creepy). It should be able to be made quite comfy.
Thanks, Mike

--- On Sat, 5/3/08, Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org> wrote:

> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@hallman. org>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, May 3, 2008, 6:52 PM
> Here are isometrics of Camper 640.
>
> http://flickr. com/photos/ hallman/24623880 46/
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
> flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed,
> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
> snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester,
> MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. com
> - Open discussion:
> bolger_coffee_ lounge-subscribe @yahoogroups. com Yahoo!
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Hi Bruce & Group, Your isometrics' are great for studying structure & space relations to a design. Plus my favorite collar is green, so they can't be anything less than gorgeous. But I gotta say, my first reaction to this one is 'what's with the coffin in the boat', creepy, I quickly figured it out (still creepy). It should be able to be made quite comfy.
Thanks, Mike

--- On Sat, 5/3/08, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:

> From: Bruce Hallman <bruce@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] camper #640 and procrastination
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, May 3, 2008, 6:52 PM
> Here are isometrics of Camper 640.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2462388046/
>
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>
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> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
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> thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and
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Here are isometrics of Camper 640.

http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2462388046/
I definitely am planning just to launch it once. I have a private dock
space available for keeping her at once I get it in the water.

If I planned to trailer it regularly I would have to work out some
other type of trailer. Before I fell into the deal on my flatbed
trailer I had worked a bit on trying to design a trailer that it could
not only be floated off of but used as a camper as well for vacation
traveling.

The odd shape of the bottom really presents problems. The best option
seems to be a trailer a bit wider than the legal limit since the hull
is about 8' wide at the point you would want to have the axles. This
would present problems with needing permits for every move. Another
problem with the hull shape is the severe rocker of the aft hull that
will requires some transverse supports. This is why it will be cradled
on the flatbed. The bow, with the cutwater, presents less of problem
and perhaps it could be carried backwards on a trailer, allowing the
stern support to be fixed and thus allowing it to be floated off with a
very long tongue extender but it would require removing the rudder to
eliminate the chance of damaging the rudder. Even fully kicked up it
would be vulnerable.

As planned, the lowest point on the hull will be about 3' off the
ground when on the trailer. I have thought about various rolling
cradles but in the end, since it is intended really to just make a
single trip to water, craning is the best option.

If someone else builds one I would love to see how they address this
problem.

Paul H.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
>
> Paul,
> Well I liked all I heard except for the crane part. I'd like to try
> rails to slide the boat off and on using a powerful winch. Slippery
> stuff like UHMW or cutting boards on the slides and graphite epoxy
on
> the boat bottom. There should be a good hard spot along the low
part
> of the boat with the ballast down there. Sounds like you only plan
> to launch once and then not do much transporting afterwords. Its
> sure the biggest small boat in existence(well in existence soon!
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
Paul,
Well I liked all I heard except for the crane part. I'd like to try
rails to slide the boat off and on using a powerful winch. Slippery
stuff like UHMW or cutting boards on the slides and graphite epoxy on
the boat bottom. There should be a good hard spot along the low part
of the boat with the ballast down there. Sounds like you only plan
to launch once and then not do much transporting afterwords. Its
sure the biggest small boat in existence(well in existence soon!

Sincerely,
Gene T.

On 3 May, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Paul wrote:

> Yeah, reading other's posts I realize that predicting how fast a boat
> will get built is almost impossible unless it is taken on as a full
> time job
>
> I have been taking pics as I go but so far haven't posted them
> anywhere, another of those things I haven't gotten around to yet. I
> will try to do that soon.
>
> As for the trailer, this is a real problem for superbrick. I have a
> 21' flatbed trailer designed for hauling bobcats that I picked up for
> $500. The pressure treated deck had rotted away and the whole thing is
> a sea of rust, it had been sitting in a friend's backyard for at least
> 10 years. A cradle will hold it above the wheels. This also will
> serve as the strongback when assembling the lower hull. When ready to
> launch it will have to be craned off the trailer, it will sit way too
> high to launch from a ramp.
>
> So far I have built most of the frames, the centerboard and the
> rudder. I have joined the panels for the lower hull sides with
> fiberglass butt joints and have been using this as a work table while
> assembling the frames. When I finish the frames I will then build the
> cutwater, again using the side panels as a work table and then I will
> build out the side panels and put the lower hull together.
>
> Paul H.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> > Don't feel special about your boat taking longer then you planned.
> > That affliction is not yours alone. Can you tell us about how the
> > build is going. Got any photos posted anywhere. Have you had any
> > thoughts on the type of trailer you were going to use with it. The
> > only bad thing about the boat is no place for the trailer wheels.
> > Seems it will need to ride high. Keep at it and good luck, focus on
> > little tasks and don't get bogged down.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
> >
>
>
>



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Yeah, reading other's posts I realize that predicting how fast a boat
will get built is almost impossible unless it is taken on as a full
time job

I have been taking pics as I go but so far haven't posted them
anywhere, another of those things I haven't gotten around to yet. I
will try to do that soon.

As for the trailer, this is a real problem for superbrick. I have a
21' flatbed trailer designed for hauling bobcats that I picked up for
$500. The pressure treated deck had rotted away and the whole thing is
a sea of rust, it had been sitting in a friend's backyard for at least
10 years. A cradle will hold it above the wheels. This also will
serve as the strongback when assembling the lower hull. When ready to
launch it will have to be craned off the trailer, it will sit way too
high to launch from a ramp.

So far I have built most of the frames, the centerboard and the
rudder. I have joined the panels for the lower hull sides with
fiberglass butt joints and have been using this as a work table while
assembling the frames. When I finish the frames I will then build the
cutwater, again using the side panels as a work table and then I will
build out the side panels and put the lower hull together.

Paul H.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
>
> Paul,
> Don't feel special about your boat taking longer then you planned.
> That affliction is not yours alone. Can you tell us about how the
> build is going. Got any photos posted anywhere. Have you had any
> thoughts on the type of trailer you were going to use with it. The
> only bad thing about the boat is no place for the trailer wheels.
> Seems it will need to ride high. Keep at it and good luck, focus on
> little tasks and don't get bogged down.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
Paul,
Don't feel special about your boat taking longer then you planned.
That affliction is not yours alone. Can you tell us about how the
build is going. Got any photos posted anywhere. Have you had any
thoughts on the type of trailer you were going to use with it. The
only bad thing about the boat is no place for the trailer wheels.
Seems it will need to ride high. Keep at it and good luck, focus on
little tasks and don't get bogged down.

Sincerely,
Gene T.

On 3 May, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Paul wrote:

> What part of Georgia do you live in. I am building a Superbrick
> (which, speaking of procrastination, is taking much longer than
> planned) in the North East Atlanta suburbs, planning to drop it in
> Lake
> Lanier when I finish it and there is water in the lake again.
>
> Paul H.
>
> > This is the fourth set of Bolger plans I have bought. I have plans
> for birdwatcher, long
> > micro, and dugong. I've also worn the cover off "Boats with an open
> mind". I'm now on my
> > second copy. I've been reading it since 1995 and I have no desire to
> put it down. I also
> > have paysons instant boat book, and the gloucester dory book.
> Schorpieon as well. I am
> > probably the biggest Bolger fan in Georgia.
>
>
>



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Hey Georgia I would say cracker but am no longer looking for a
fight and it's never known how a person might feel about such things.
:-) I am an expatriated cracker from wiregrass Georgia.
If you like Bolgers writings and it sounds like you do, get him to
design you a boat to your specifications. It will start out that way
but he will teach you the errors in your ways. The letters that go
back and fourth are well worth the price of the plans even if you never
build. After such an encounter I was feeling like I was building
Bolgers boat and was a little dissapointed. Him and I argued constantly.
If you want to loose an argument he is your man. His logic is so near
perfect you soon find out you don't have an argument at all.
When I finished my boat "Wolftrap" I realized one day that she did
every thing I had stated in my first letter, as good and in most cases
better that I had asked for. I had not told him what I wanted her to
look like, but talked some about what kinds of boats I was accustomed to
and sailed growing up. He has an uncanny way of figuring out what you
are going to like from your conversations. I don't think I ever told him
what I wanted her to look like.
What I got was a boat that was very close to the one I had thought
about at 3 a.m. in the morning when unable to sleep. Those boats don't
change much from childhood to grown man.m
Bolger and I had talked a little about childhood ideas of boats.
Doug

donnieraydavis wrote:
>
> This is the fourth set of Bolger plans I have bought. I have plans for
> birdwatcher, long
> micro, and dugong. I've also worn the cover off "Boats with an open
> mind". I'm now on my
> second copy. I've been reading it since 1995 and I have no desire to
> put it down. I also
> have paysons instant boat book, and the gloucester dory book.
> Schorpieon as well. I am
> probably the biggest Bolger fan in Georgia.
>
> But the only boats of his I have ever built are brick and the payson
> pirogue. I've built many
> dories and scows without plans. The plans just seem to overwhelm me
> and I don't get
> started.
>
> Hopefully the camper #640 will be the one that I can work through.
>
> The revised model looks a little different from the original design
> posted with the group-
> the bow has a different configuration without rails.
>
> There are many other boats I would love to build- AS29, Superbrick,
> Sir Joseph Banks,..
> I wish Bolger would publish another book.
>
>
Somebody had drawn some pictures of a brick with a full enclosed top similar
to what you described, I thought it would make an interesting lifeboat,
solid, enclosed and able to sail you on to self-rescue rather than just
float out in the ocean.



I fell in love with Superbrick and feel like it would meet my needs for a
floating lake cabin that can go sailing a bit or just float around on a nice
summer day. I'm a big guy and there is no boat its size that has anything
like its accommodations. It's not going to win a regatta, but it is a truly
unique design.



Since you are familiar with Atlanta, I'm in Lilburn. I went to Georgia
Southern so I also spent my fair share of time in Savannah back in the 70's.



Paul H.



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Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:31 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: camper #640 and procrastination



There are drawings of camper #640 in the files- hiding in the "birdwatcher"
file
The only thing I wish it had was transom berths like micro navigator,
instead of sitting on the floor.
I'm in Savannah- moved here from East Atlanta 1 1/2 yrs ago
Superbrick is such an awesome design
I've wondered about a 4x8 brick 4' high w/ lexan enclosed cabin
and sitting headroom- a mini superbrick.

--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, dave
seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where pic's of "Camper 640" can be found?
> Dave
>
> Paul <p_hardy@...> wrote: What part of Georgia do you live in. I am
building a Superbrick
> (which, speaking of procrastination, is taking much longer than
> planned) in the North East Atlanta suburbs, planning to drop it in Lake
> Lanier when I finish it and there is water in the lake again.
>





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There are drawings of camper #640 in the files- hiding in the "birdwatcher" file
The only thing I wish it had was transom berths like micro navigator,
instead of sitting on the floor.
I'm in Savannah- moved here from East Atlanta 1 1/2 yrs ago
Superbrick is such an awesome design
I've wondered about a 4x8 brick 4' high w/ lexan enclosed cabin
and sitting headroom- a mini superbrick.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, dave seeton <daveseeton@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where pic's of "Camper 640" can be found?
> Dave
>
> Paul <p_hardy@...> wrote: What part of Georgia do you live in. I am
building a Superbrick
> (which, speaking of procrastination, is taking much longer than
> planned) in the North East Atlanta suburbs, planning to drop it in Lake
> Lanier when I finish it and there is water in the lake again.
>
Anyone know where pic's of "Camper 640" can be found?
Dave

Paul <p_hardy@...> wrote: What part of Georgia do you live in. I am building a Superbrick
(which, speaking of procrastination, is taking much longer than
planned) in the North East Atlanta suburbs, planning to drop it in Lake
Lanier when I finish it and there is water in the lake again.

Paul H.

> This is the fourth set of Bolger plans I have bought. I have plans
for birdwatcher, long
> micro, and dugong. I've also worn the cover off "Boats with an open
mind". I'm now on my
> second copy. I've been reading it since 1995 and I have no desire to
put it down. I also
> have paysons instant boat book, and the gloucester dory book.
Schorpieon as well. I am
> probably the biggest Bolger fan in Georgia.






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What part of Georgia do you live in. I am building a Superbrick
(which, speaking of procrastination, is taking much longer than
planned) in the North East Atlanta suburbs, planning to drop it in Lake
Lanier when I finish it and there is water in the lake again.

Paul H.

> This is the fourth set of Bolger plans I have bought. I have plans
for birdwatcher, long
> micro, and dugong. I've also worn the cover off "Boats with an open
mind". I'm now on my
> second copy. I've been reading it since 1995 and I have no desire to
put it down. I also
> have paysons instant boat book, and the gloucester dory book.
Schorpieon as well. I am
> probably the biggest Bolger fan in Georgia.
This is the fourth set of Bolger plans I have bought. I have plans for birdwatcher, long
micro, and dugong. I've also worn the cover off "Boats with an open mind". I'm now on my
second copy. I've been reading it since 1995 and I have no desire to put it down. I also
have paysons instant boat book, and the gloucester dory book. Schorpieon as well. I am
probably the biggest Bolger fan in Georgia.

But the only boats of his I have ever built are brick and the payson pirogue. I've built many
dories and scows without plans. The plans just seem to overwhelm me and I don't get
started.

Hopefully the camper #640 will be the one that I can work through.

The revised model looks a little different from the original design posted with the group-
the bow has a different configuration without rails.

There are many other boats I would love to build- AS29, Superbrick, Sir Joseph Banks,..
I wish Bolger would publish another book.