Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Navigator
Bruce,
I went back into the archives and found some old MAIB articles about
Micro Upgrades. I read the comments you made about dropping the mast
and what Phil said. I've been thinking about it and came up with
what seems like a solution. The problem is that as the booms move
parallel to the mast when the mast is lowered, the lines holding the
boom yokes to the mast grow tight. If these lines were connected to
the forward end of the yoke, where they would have to be longer they
would become loose as the boom moves parallel to the mast, or stay
the same tension. Thus everything could be left hooked up with
enough slack to pivot the boom yet be tight enough to keep the booms
close to the mast. This could be greatly complicated by the stacking
of the boom, battens and gaff but I'm going to look into it.
I will wait until I receive my plans to look them over before writing
to Phil about the modification. One problem I see could be a
tendency to jam preventing the boom (yard or batten) from dropping.
On my current boat I have experimented with epoxy with teflon powder
mixed in. The result is quite slippery. I have it on my booms and
gaffs ends and their yokes where they rub on the mast. I also
thought I'd dip the parrell (sp) beads in the stuff so they can spin
and slide easily. I'll post what Phil says but that might be some time.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
I went back into the archives and found some old MAIB articles about
Micro Upgrades. I read the comments you made about dropping the mast
and what Phil said. I've been thinking about it and came up with
what seems like a solution. The problem is that as the booms move
parallel to the mast when the mast is lowered, the lines holding the
boom yokes to the mast grow tight. If these lines were connected to
the forward end of the yoke, where they would have to be longer they
would become loose as the boom moves parallel to the mast, or stay
the same tension. Thus everything could be left hooked up with
enough slack to pivot the boom yet be tight enough to keep the booms
close to the mast. This could be greatly complicated by the stacking
of the boom, battens and gaff but I'm going to look into it.
I will wait until I receive my plans to look them over before writing
to Phil about the modification. One problem I see could be a
tendency to jam preventing the boom (yard or batten) from dropping.
On my current boat I have experimented with epoxy with teflon powder
mixed in. The result is quite slippery. I have it on my booms and
gaffs ends and their yokes where they rub on the mast. I also
thought I'd dip the parrell (sp) beads in the stuff so they can spin
and slide easily. I'll post what Phil says but that might be some time.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 5 May, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> To be entirely candid, I mostly use my Micro Navigator as a "marina
> hangout". ...
>
> > > >
> > > > It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as
> improvised
> > > > designs usually end up with surprises.
> > > >
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Bruce,
Thanks for the synopsys. I can see why you use yours as you do. I
started doing some digging, seems this general subject comes up every
9 months or so. I sent the order off today. I think it will be a
fun build and an easy boat to use. Have a great week and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
Thanks for the synopsys. I can see why you use yours as you do. I
started doing some digging, seems this general subject comes up every
9 months or so. I sent the order off today. I think it will be a
fun build and an easy boat to use. Have a great week and thanks again.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 5 May, 2008, at 11:19 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> To be entirely candid, I mostly use my Micro Navigator as a "marina
> hangout". In other words, I find it to be extremely convenient to
> have a warm luxurious comfy mini-apartment hangout hide on the
> downtown San Francisco waterfront in the shadow of the baseball
> stadium. All for $101 per month including two parking passes. To put
> this in perspective, people often pay $150 per month just to rent
> parking spaces in this neighborhood, or a one room studio apartment
> can cost $2,500. I hangout on the boat almost every day, especially
> at lunch.
>
> She sails just fine, and the rigging and reefing works as advertised.
> My polytarp sails are getting ragged, and I am thinking of making a
> new set or upgrading to real sewn sails. Where I berth, the current
> commonly runs at up to 2 knots, so a motor is necessary to avoid 8
> hour waits for the tide to turn. She sails and points like a cruiser,
> not a racer, and when I really need to make time to windward, I use
> the motor.
>
> The seating is great, as I splurged by calling in a favor from my
> brother who is a professional upholsterer. The berths are super
> comfortable, like high quality sofas. Plus, I rigged in a nice Bose
> sound system.
>
> The hull speed of a 16 foot boat is low, so if you don't have plenty
> of time, your total distance traveled is limited. This is not a
> really a problem, unless you think it is a problem.
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Gene Tehansky
> <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce,
> > After your time with the boat, how about a brief review. How does it
> > sail? How does the sail work driving the boat and reefing? Is
> > seating still ok? Did you bother with a motor? Add some questions I
> > should have asked.
> >
> > I have an envelope ready to get dropped off at the Post Office.
> > Can't get a tube in the mail without sending off a letter... Got to
> > go out and get some more paint. I have been using Rustoleum topside
> > paint and its relatives with good luck.
> >
> > I wish somebody would give a little refresher on painting with a
> > brush only before I start the outside of the boat. Man I am sick of
> > crawling in the hold and cockpit of my Single Handed Schooner. It
> > ain't no queen sized bed in the hold but I think I'll be able to
> > sleep there ok.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
> >
> > On 5 May, 2008, at 8:28 AM, graeme19121984 wrote:
> >
> > > Nels also thought hard about a Long Micro Navigator, and I
> think also
> > > contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
> > > files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one
> - he
> > > was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one
> though.
> > >
> > > Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main
> hurdle in
> > > a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
> > > with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the
> cabin
> > > via turning blocks?
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > > I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all
> weather
> > > in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
> > >
> > > I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to
> keep the
> > > sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
> > > (Economy Motorsailer)
> >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> > > > <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
> > > >
> > > > The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> > > > tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't
> > > feel
> > > > bad at the loss.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Has
> > > > > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the
> Navigator
> > > > > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
> > > >
> > > > I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there
> is no
> > > > PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
> > > >
> > > > I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro,
> sketching out
> > > > the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside
> cabin'
> > > > details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem
> to fix
> > > > (for me to figure out at least).
> > > >
> > > > It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as
> improvised
> > > > designs usually end up with surprises.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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To be entirely candid, I mostly use my Micro Navigator as a "marina
hangout". In other words, I find it to be extremely convenient to
have a warm luxurious comfy mini-apartment hangout hide on the
downtown San Francisco waterfront in the shadow of the baseball
stadium. All for $101 per month including two parking passes. To put
this in perspective, people often pay $150 per month just to rent
parking spaces in this neighborhood, or a one room studio apartment
can cost $2,500. I hangout on the boat almost every day, especially
at lunch.
She sails just fine, and the rigging and reefing works as advertised.
My polytarp sails are getting ragged, and I am thinking of making a
new set or upgrading to real sewn sails. Where I berth, the current
commonly runs at up to 2 knots, so a motor is necessary to avoid 8
hour waits for the tide to turn. She sails and points like a cruiser,
not a racer, and when I really need to make time to windward, I use
the motor.
The seating is great, as I splurged by calling in a favor from my
brother who is a professional upholsterer. The berths are super
comfortable, like high quality sofas. Plus, I rigged in a nice Bose
sound system.
The hull speed of a 16 foot boat is low, so if you don't have plenty
of time, your total distance traveled is limited. This is not a
really a problem, unless you think it is a problem.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
hangout". In other words, I find it to be extremely convenient to
have a warm luxurious comfy mini-apartment hangout hide on the
downtown San Francisco waterfront in the shadow of the baseball
stadium. All for $101 per month including two parking passes. To put
this in perspective, people often pay $150 per month just to rent
parking spaces in this neighborhood, or a one room studio apartment
can cost $2,500. I hangout on the boat almost every day, especially
at lunch.
She sails just fine, and the rigging and reefing works as advertised.
My polytarp sails are getting ragged, and I am thinking of making a
new set or upgrading to real sewn sails. Where I berth, the current
commonly runs at up to 2 knots, so a motor is necessary to avoid 8
hour waits for the tide to turn. She sails and points like a cruiser,
not a racer, and when I really need to make time to windward, I use
the motor.
The seating is great, as I splurged by calling in a favor from my
brother who is a professional upholsterer. The berths are super
comfortable, like high quality sofas. Plus, I rigged in a nice Bose
sound system.
The hull speed of a 16 foot boat is low, so if you don't have plenty
of time, your total distance traveled is limited. This is not a
really a problem, unless you think it is a problem.
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce,
> After your time with the boat, how about a brief review. How does it
> sail? How does the sail work driving the boat and reefing? Is
> seating still ok? Did you bother with a motor? Add some questions I
> should have asked.
>
> I have an envelope ready to get dropped off at the Post Office.
> Can't get a tube in the mail without sending off a letter... Got to
> go out and get some more paint. I have been using Rustoleum topside
> paint and its relatives with good luck.
>
> I wish somebody would give a little refresher on painting with a
> brush only before I start the outside of the boat. Man I am sick of
> crawling in the hold and cockpit of my Single Handed Schooner. It
> ain't no queen sized bed in the hold but I think I'll be able to
> sleep there ok.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 5 May, 2008, at 8:28 AM, graeme19121984 wrote:
>
> > Nels also thought hard about a Long Micro Navigator, and I think also
> > contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
> > files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one - he
> > was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one though.
> >
> > Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main hurdle in
> > a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
> > with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the cabin
> > via turning blocks?
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> > I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all weather
> > in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
> >
> > I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to keep the
> > sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
> > (Economy Motorsailer)
>
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> > > <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
> > >
> > > The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> > > tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't
> > feel
> > > bad at the loss.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Has
> > > > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> > > > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
> > >
> > > I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> > > PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
> > >
> > > I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
> > > the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
> > > details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
> > > (for me to figure out at least).
> > >
> > > It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
> > > designs usually end up with surprises.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Graeme,
Not having grown up in a boat world, or not being from New England, I
don't know which... "Keep the sea"... Now, just what does that
mean. It ain't strict english. And, what is a "seaway"? I grew up
in an aviation world. Now an "airway" makes sense, look at a chart,
they are all over it. But a seaway? All the explanations I have
heard say to me, "just out on the water somewhere". Does it refer to
the sea state. Does a "seaway" imply a standing wave situation, lots
of bouncing around? Why not say that then? I got most of the ropes
and lines and tacks figured out but man, this is humbling!
Sorry for that, just got going. Any light you or anybody can shed
would be appreciated!
Sincerely,
Gene T.
Not having grown up in a boat world, or not being from New England, I
don't know which... "Keep the sea"... Now, just what does that
mean. It ain't strict english. And, what is a "seaway"? I grew up
in an aviation world. Now an "airway" makes sense, look at a chart,
they are all over it. But a seaway? All the explanations I have
heard say to me, "just out on the water somewhere". Does it refer to
the sea state. Does a "seaway" imply a standing wave situation, lots
of bouncing around? Why not say that then? I got most of the ropes
and lines and tacks figured out but man, this is humbling!
Sorry for that, just got going. Any light you or anybody can shed
would be appreciated!
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 5 May, 2008, at 8:28 AM, graeme19121984 wrote:
> Nels also thought hard about a Long Micro Navigator, and I think also
> contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
> files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one - he
> was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one though.
>
> Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main hurdle in
> a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
> with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the cabin
> via turning blocks?
>
> Graeme
>
> I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all weather
> in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
>
> I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to keep the
> sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
> (Economy Motorsailer)
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> > <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
> >
> > The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> > tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't
> feel
> > bad at the loss.
> >
> >
> > > Has
> > > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> > > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
> >
> > I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> > PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
> >
> > I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
> > the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
> > details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
> > (for me to figure out at least).
> >
> > It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
> > designs usually end up with surprises.
> >
>
>
>
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Bruce,
After your time with the boat, how about a brief review. How does it
sail? How does the sail work driving the boat and reefing? Is
seating still ok? Did you bother with a motor? Add some questions I
should have asked.
I have an envelope ready to get dropped off at the Post Office.
Can't get a tube in the mail without sending off a letter... Got to
go out and get some more paint. I have been using Rustoleum topside
paint and its relatives with good luck.
I wish somebody would give a little refresher on painting with a
brush only before I start the outside of the boat. Man I am sick of
crawling in the hold and cockpit of my Single Handed Schooner. It
ain't no queen sized bed in the hold but I think I'll be able to
sleep there ok.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
After your time with the boat, how about a brief review. How does it
sail? How does the sail work driving the boat and reefing? Is
seating still ok? Did you bother with a motor? Add some questions I
should have asked.
I have an envelope ready to get dropped off at the Post Office.
Can't get a tube in the mail without sending off a letter... Got to
go out and get some more paint. I have been using Rustoleum topside
paint and its relatives with good luck.
I wish somebody would give a little refresher on painting with a
brush only before I start the outside of the boat. Man I am sick of
crawling in the hold and cockpit of my Single Handed Schooner. It
ain't no queen sized bed in the hold but I think I'll be able to
sleep there ok.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 5 May, 2008, at 8:28 AM, graeme19121984 wrote:
> Nels also thought hard about a Long Micro Navigator, and I think also
> contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
> files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one - he
> was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one though.
>
> Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main hurdle in
> a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
> with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the cabin
> via turning blocks?
>
> Graeme
>
> I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all weather
> in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
>
> I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to keep the
> sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
> (Economy Motorsailer)
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> > <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
> >
> > The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> > tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't
> feel
> > bad at the loss.
> >
> >
> > > Has
> > > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> > > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
> >
> > I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> > PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
> >
> > I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
> > the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
> > details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
> > (for me to figure out at least).
> >
> > It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
> > designs usually end up with surprises.
> >
>
>
>
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
The Chinese Gaf rig is essential, because of the unusual situation
where you do all the sail control from inside the cabin. All those
extra lines are needed to control the sail remotely. No, I think you
could not lay the mast down without removing the gaff and boom jaws
from the mast, and that then lets the vertical lines, the two halyards
and two topping lifts get tangled. If you were more clever than I you
might find a way to control this for a 'get under a bridge' event. My
experience is with the set up after the boat ramp. Not really that
hard to do, but with a lot of steps, it take the better part of an
hour. As to the after deck, I have built up a short sitting stool,
which I keep in the companionway, which allows me to comfortably sit
with my head and shoulders in the sun. The 'new' plans show a hatch
going forward to the anchor well, which is a small space, but which is
actually big enough for the port-a-potty, so indeed this qualifies as
a 'separate head', (In a sub 16 foot boat!)
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
The Chinese Gaf rig is essential, because of the unusual situation
where you do all the sail control from inside the cabin. All those
extra lines are needed to control the sail remotely. No, I think you
could not lay the mast down without removing the gaff and boom jaws
from the mast, and that then lets the vertical lines, the two halyards
and two topping lifts get tangled. If you were more clever than I you
might find a way to control this for a 'get under a bridge' event. My
experience is with the set up after the boat ramp. Not really that
hard to do, but with a lot of steps, it take the better part of an
hour. As to the after deck, I have built up a short sitting stool,
which I keep in the companionway, which allows me to comfortably sit
with my head and shoulders in the sun. The 'new' plans show a hatch
going forward to the anchor well, which is a small space, but which is
actually big enough for the port-a-potty, so indeed this qualifies as
a 'separate head', (In a sub 16 foot boat!)
> Bruce,
> Thanks for the insight on the rigging. I thought about some sort of
> lug rig but I think the reefing advantages of the designed rig are
> important.
>
> Do you think it would be possible to lay the mast back with the sail
> in place to clear a bridge then push it back up? Just thinking about
> how I might use this thing. What is up with the area behind the
> house. Is there room to sit on the sides back there? Is there leg
> room? I think I'm going to be happy with this. I'd like to plan for
> 2 on a long cruise (with a separate head that is) but I'd be fooling
> myself. Any long cruises will be single handed. Selecting something
> bigger just to get the separate head would be folly! I can't think
> of anything else it is missing except for the cockpit and I think I
> have other boats for that.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
>
>
> On 4 May, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gene Tehansky
> > <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bruce,
> > > Thanks. I found some snapshots of the plans (paper looks wrinkled)
> > > and it shows the tabernacle. I was in doubt when I looked at yours
> > > but I kind of recall that upgraded Micro's could make use of
> > portions
> > > of the upgrade. If I can control myself, I think the size of the
> > > Micro is the best way for me to go. I want to be able to live with
> > > this thing out of the water and to and from.
> >
> > The Micro is plenty big for one or two persons. Indeed the cabin is
> > less claustrophobic than cabins in the 30 footers I have experienced.
> > You need to decide if you can live without a cockpit. Where I live,
> > it is often too cold to enjoy the elements out in the cockpit, and I
> > really like the 'sun room' effect of the Micro Navigator cabin here in
> > cool and windy San Francisco.
> >
> > The Micro Navigator fits on a trailer nicely, but the complex rigging
> > is not suited for a quick up and down of the mast, and even with a
> > tabernacle, this would be time consuming. She is not a great trailer
> > sailer. Still, it is *really* convenient to have a small boat (wait
> > lists for marina berths for longer boats in S.F. run about 10 years).
> > Also, a 16 foot boat fits in my driveway on a trailer.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
Nels also thought hard about a Long Micro Navigator, and I think also
contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one - he
was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one though.
Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main hurdle in
a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the cabin
via turning blocks?
Graeme
I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all weather
in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to keep the
sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
(Economy Motorsailer)
contacted PB&F about it. He has some cut and paste cartoons in the
files somewhere - IIRC a navigator type and an aft doghouse one - he
was considering lug rigs too. He did buy a good original one though.
Say Bruce, if the 'helm inside cabin' details were the main hurdle in
a Long Micro Nav conversion couldn't the tiller just be left short
with lines led from it port and starboard into and around the cabin
via turning blocks?
Graeme
I define seaworthiness as the ability to keep the sea in all weather
in reasonable safety. - Philip C Bolger (Storm Petrel)
I think "seaworthiness is strictly definable as "ability to keep the
sea in all weather with reasonable safety." - Philip C Bolger
(Economy Motorsailer)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
>
> The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't
feel
> bad at the loss.
>
>
> > Has
> > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
>
> I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
>
> I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
> the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
> details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
> (for me to figure out at least).
>
> It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
> designs usually end up with surprises.
>
Anyone know why I was baned from Bolger cartoons??
Dave Seeton
Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote: Here's another likable boat from the SBJ cartoons.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Open%20Diesel%
20Launch/
It won't take very much more ply than the equivalent flattie or
multichine S&G -yet show a lot more style.
For the precursor Chaisson Surf Dory, see John Gardner's books.
Searching images, the very best photo of a large one found is at John
Kohnen's Flikr page.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1470873755_fce8896461.jpg?v=0
Here includes a nice picture of all the parts laid out for a smaller,
urethane glued lap one.
http://www.odysseyskis.com/kits.htm
Mark
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Dave Seeton
Mark Albanese <marka@...> wrote: Here's another likable boat from the SBJ cartoons.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Open%20Diesel%
20Launch/
It won't take very much more ply than the equivalent flattie or
multichine S&G -yet show a lot more style.
For the precursor Chaisson Surf Dory, see John Gardner's books.
Searching images, the very best photo of a large one found is at John
Kohnen's Flikr page.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1470873755_fce8896461.jpg?v=0
Here includes a nice picture of all the parts laid out for a smaller,
urethane glued lap one.
http://www.odysseyskis.com/kits.htm
Mark
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Bruce,
Thanks for the insight on the rigging. I thought about some sort of
lug rig but I think the reefing advantages of the designed rig are
important.
Do you think it would be possible to lay the mast back with the sail
in place to clear a bridge then push it back up? Just thinking about
how I might use this thing. What is up with the area behind the
house. Is there room to sit on the sides back there? Is there leg
room? I think I'm going to be happy with this. I'd like to plan for
2 on a long cruise (with a separate head that is) but I'd be fooling
myself. Any long cruises will be single handed. Selecting something
bigger just to get the separate head would be folly! I can't think
of anything else it is missing except for the cockpit and I think I
have other boats for that.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
Thanks for the insight on the rigging. I thought about some sort of
lug rig but I think the reefing advantages of the designed rig are
important.
Do you think it would be possible to lay the mast back with the sail
in place to clear a bridge then push it back up? Just thinking about
how I might use this thing. What is up with the area behind the
house. Is there room to sit on the sides back there? Is there leg
room? I think I'm going to be happy with this. I'd like to plan for
2 on a long cruise (with a separate head that is) but I'd be fooling
myself. Any long cruises will be single handed. Selecting something
bigger just to get the separate head would be folly! I can't think
of anything else it is missing except for the cockpit and I think I
have other boats for that.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 4 May, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gene Tehansky
> <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> > Thanks. I found some snapshots of the plans (paper looks wrinkled)
> > and it shows the tabernacle. I was in doubt when I looked at yours
> > but I kind of recall that upgraded Micro's could make use of
> portions
> > of the upgrade. If I can control myself, I think the size of the
> > Micro is the best way for me to go. I want to be able to live with
> > this thing out of the water and to and from.
>
> The Micro is plenty big for one or two persons. Indeed the cabin is
> less claustrophobic than cabins in the 30 footers I have experienced.
> You need to decide if you can live without a cockpit. Where I live,
> it is often too cold to enjoy the elements out in the cockpit, and I
> really like the 'sun room' effect of the Micro Navigator cabin here in
> cool and windy San Francisco.
>
> The Micro Navigator fits on a trailer nicely, but the complex rigging
> is not suited for a quick up and down of the mast, and even with a
> tabernacle, this would be time consuming. She is not a great trailer
> sailer. Still, it is *really* convenient to have a small boat (wait
> lists for marina berths for longer boats in S.F. run about 10 years).
> Also, a 16 foot boat fits in my driveway on a trailer.
>
>
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
less claustrophobic than cabins in the 30 footers I have experienced.
You need to decide if you can live without a cockpit. Where I live,
it is often too cold to enjoy the elements out in the cockpit, and I
really like the 'sun room' effect of the Micro Navigator cabin here in
cool and windy San Francisco.
The Micro Navigator fits on a trailer nicely, but the complex rigging
is not suited for a quick up and down of the mast, and even with a
tabernacle, this would be time consuming. She is not a great trailer
sailer. Still, it is *really* convenient to have a small boat (wait
lists for marina berths for longer boats in S.F. run about 10 years).
Also, a 16 foot boat fits in my driveway on a trailer.
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>The Micro is plenty big for one or two persons. Indeed the cabin is
> Bruce,
> Thanks. I found some snapshots of the plans (paper looks wrinkled)
> and it shows the tabernacle. I was in doubt when I looked at yours
> but I kind of recall that upgraded Micro's could make use of portions
> of the upgrade. If I can control myself, I think the size of the
> Micro is the best way for me to go. I want to be able to live with
> this thing out of the water and to and from.
less claustrophobic than cabins in the 30 footers I have experienced.
You need to decide if you can live without a cockpit. Where I live,
it is often too cold to enjoy the elements out in the cockpit, and I
really like the 'sun room' effect of the Micro Navigator cabin here in
cool and windy San Francisco.
The Micro Navigator fits on a trailer nicely, but the complex rigging
is not suited for a quick up and down of the mast, and even with a
tabernacle, this would be time consuming. She is not a great trailer
sailer. Still, it is *really* convenient to have a small boat (wait
lists for marina berths for longer boats in S.F. run about 10 years).
Also, a 16 foot boat fits in my driveway on a trailer.
Bruce,
Thanks. I found some snapshots of the plans (paper looks wrinkled)
and it shows the tabernacle. I was in doubt when I looked at yours
but I kind of recall that upgraded Micro's could make use of portions
of the upgrade. If I can control myself, I think the size of the
Micro is the best way for me to go. I want to be able to live with
this thing out of the water and to and from. If I'd even consider
something like a Paradox then the Micro is way big enough. I asked
Phil once about prices but I put that fax or letter in a very safe
place, haven't found it yet.
This is sounding better all the time. Oh, and I think I have learned
about the slippery slope of modifications although...
Thanks.
Gene T.
Thanks. I found some snapshots of the plans (paper looks wrinkled)
and it shows the tabernacle. I was in doubt when I looked at yours
but I kind of recall that upgraded Micro's could make use of portions
of the upgrade. If I can control myself, I think the size of the
Micro is the best way for me to go. I want to be able to live with
this thing out of the water and to and from. If I'd even consider
something like a Paradox then the Micro is way big enough. I asked
Phil once about prices but I put that fax or letter in a very safe
place, haven't found it yet.
This is sounding better all the time. Oh, and I think I have learned
about the slippery slope of modifications although...
Thanks.
Gene T.
On 4 May, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
> <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
>
> The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't feel
> bad at the loss.
>
> > Has
> > anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> > upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
>
> I think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
>
> I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
> the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
> details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
> (for me to figure out at least).
>
> It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
> designs usually end up with surprises.
>
>
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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't feel
bad at the loss.
PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
(for me to figure out at least).
It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
designs usually end up with surprises.
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>The Tabernacle is optional, and the latest plans include the
> Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed?
tabernacle design. Mine does not have a tabernacle, and I don't feel
bad at the loss.
> HasI think Jason Stancil investigated this before, and no, there is no
> anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
> upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro?
PB&F Long Micro Navigator.
I tried to improvise putting a cabin on a Long Micro, sketching out
the geometry, and I discovered that getting the 'helm inside cabin'
details to work with the Long Micro was not an easy problem to fix
(for me to figure out at least).
It is always a good idea to try to build 'per plans' as improvised
designs usually end up with surprises.
Is the mast on the Micro Navigator in Tabernacle as designed? Has
anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro? Does anybody know
where I left the fax with the prices for Old Shoe, Micro, and Long
Micro?
I am having a difficult time with my next boat choice. I consider
boats until I see some photos behind a truck and quickly remember I
don't want anything that big! Not yet anyway. And I also don't want
to sit in one spot for hour after hour, old age has taken its toll
and I may not be able to get up afterwards. Micro Navigator is
looking good. I have a bridge with a 16 foot (I think) clearance
that I'd like to be free to pass so a quick bounce of the mast would
be a plus.
Thanks,
Gene T.
anybody gotten a hint from Bolger if he considers the Navigator
upgrade plans easily adaptable to the Long Micro? Does anybody know
where I left the fax with the prices for Old Shoe, Micro, and Long
Micro?
I am having a difficult time with my next boat choice. I consider
boats until I see some photos behind a truck and quickly remember I
don't want anything that big! Not yet anyway. And I also don't want
to sit in one spot for hour after hour, old age has taken its toll
and I may not be able to get up afterwards. Micro Navigator is
looking good. I have a bridge with a 16 foot (I think) clearance
that I'd like to be free to pass so a quick bounce of the mast would
be a plus.
Thanks,
Gene T.
I guess its my own personal prejudices showing. When I think cruiser I
think bluewater passagemaking cruiser. If one were exploring large
lakes or cruising the intercoastal superbrick would do fine.
Paul
think bluewater passagemaking cruiser. If one were exploring large
lakes or cruising the intercoastal superbrick would do fine.
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <Dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> I'd say she is a cruser right up to the point where there is a
mention
> of ocean. I would never take that boat to sea and I don't think
Bolger
> would Recomend it either. Bolger is pretty carefull about what he
calls
> a sea boat.
>
> Doug
I'd say she is a cruser right up to the point where there is a mention
of ocean. I would never take that boat to sea and I don't think Bolger
would Recomend it either. Bolger is pretty carefull about what he calls
a sea boat.
Doug
Paul wrote:
of ocean. I would never take that boat to sea and I don't think Bolger
would Recomend it either. Bolger is pretty carefull about what he calls
a sea boat.
Doug
Paul wrote:
>
> No, when I go for a cruiser it will be a multihull, 30 something
> feet. Of course, this brings up transportation issues as well so I
> am looking at demountable trimarans. As to the suitability of
> superbrick, refer to Boats With An Open Mind:
>
> "It's noisy and slow in choppy water, and prone to get out of control
> if it's driven hard in strong wind (if the square corner of the lee
> bow gets into solid water, it will keep digging in until the boat
> stops and broaches)."
>
> "It's self-righting, unsinkable, strong and stiff, none of which
> entitles it to be called seaworthy, if only because, in bad weather,
> at sea, it would jar and rattle its crew to exhaustion"
>
> A good bit of safety at sea is knowing the limits of both the boat
> and crew. Superbrick is amazing in many ways but cruising is not one
> of them. I don't think there is another 20' sailboat with comparable
> accommodations. As a fairly portly gentleman, I cannot think of
> another boat close to its size that would be as comfortable for me to
> spend my free time on. I could even see it as a liveaboard for one,
> but not as a cruiser. If I wanted the same accommodations in a
> monohull cruiser I would pick AS29, which has virtually identical
> accommodations in a longer, more seaworthy hull.
>
> Paul H
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Donnie" <donnieraydavis@...> wrote:
> >
> > Paul, hire a flatbed trailer and bring it to the ocean. That thing
> is totally a cruiser!
>
>
Here's another likable boat from the SBJ cartoons.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Open%20Diesel%
20Launch/
It won't take very much more ply than the equivalent flattie or
multichine S&G -yet show a lot more style.
For the precursor Chaisson Surf Dory, see John Gardner's books.
Searching images, the very best photo of a large one found is at John
Kohnen's Flikr page.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1470873755_fce8896461.jpg?v=0
Here includes a nice picture of all the parts laid out for a smaller,
urethane glued lap one.
http://www.odysseyskis.com/kits.htm
Mark
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Open%20Diesel%
20Launch/
It won't take very much more ply than the equivalent flattie or
multichine S&G -yet show a lot more style.
For the precursor Chaisson Surf Dory, see John Gardner's books.
Searching images, the very best photo of a large one found is at John
Kohnen's Flikr page.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/1470873755_fce8896461.jpg?v=0
Here includes a nice picture of all the parts laid out for a smaller,
urethane glued lap one.
http://www.odysseyskis.com/kits.htm
Mark
No, when I go for a cruiser it will be a multihull, 30 something
feet. Of course, this brings up transportation issues as well so I
am looking at demountable trimarans. As to the suitability of
superbrick, refer to Boats With An Open Mind:
"It's noisy and slow in choppy water, and prone to get out of control
if it's driven hard in strong wind (if the square corner of the lee
bow gets into solid water, it will keep digging in until the boat
stops and broaches)."
"It's self-righting, unsinkable, strong and stiff, none of which
entitles it to be called seaworthy, if only because, in bad weather,
at sea, it would jar and rattle its crew to exhaustion"
A good bit of safety at sea is knowing the limits of both the boat
and crew. Superbrick is amazing in many ways but cruising is not one
of them. I don't think there is another 20' sailboat with comparable
accommodations. As a fairly portly gentleman, I cannot think of
another boat close to its size that would be as comfortable for me to
spend my free time on. I could even see it as a liveaboard for one,
but not as a cruiser. If I wanted the same accommodations in a
monohull cruiser I would pick AS29, which has virtually identical
accommodations in a longer, more seaworthy hull.
Paul H
feet. Of course, this brings up transportation issues as well so I
am looking at demountable trimarans. As to the suitability of
superbrick, refer to Boats With An Open Mind:
"It's noisy and slow in choppy water, and prone to get out of control
if it's driven hard in strong wind (if the square corner of the lee
bow gets into solid water, it will keep digging in until the boat
stops and broaches)."
"It's self-righting, unsinkable, strong and stiff, none of which
entitles it to be called seaworthy, if only because, in bad weather,
at sea, it would jar and rattle its crew to exhaustion"
A good bit of safety at sea is knowing the limits of both the boat
and crew. Superbrick is amazing in many ways but cruising is not one
of them. I don't think there is another 20' sailboat with comparable
accommodations. As a fairly portly gentleman, I cannot think of
another boat close to its size that would be as comfortable for me to
spend my free time on. I could even see it as a liveaboard for one,
but not as a cruiser. If I wanted the same accommodations in a
monohull cruiser I would pick AS29, which has virtually identical
accommodations in a longer, more seaworthy hull.
Paul H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Donnie" <donnieraydavis@...> wrote:
>
> Paul, hire a flatbed trailer and bring it to the ocean. That thing
is totally a cruiser!
Paul, hire a flatbed trailer and bring it to the ocean. That thing is totally a cruiser!
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p_hardy@...> wrote:
>
> I see superbrick not as a cruiser but as a place to play up on the
> lake on the weekends or vacation. I have plans for building a
> cruiser next, but this will be my retreat. I want to sail it. Speed
> is not important - it's not the destination, it's the journey. A
> place to be at peace with the wind and water.
>
> I will have a motor on it - probably an electric trolling motor - but
> mainly it will be sailed. Not big on converting hydrocarbons to
> smoke on the water. Wind is the only free fuel. (not a treehugger,
> just practical and cheap)
>
> The accommodations aboard are nice as well, a complete cabin at
> anchor so when the sun goes down and I want a nice meal, a cool
> beverage and some sleep, its all good.
>
> Paul H
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@>
> wrote:
> >
> > > There have been others that suggested something
> > > along the lines of the bilge keel but I cannot think
> > > that this would improve it as a boat.
> >
> > Changing it like this makes it into something other than a
> SuperBrick
> > too. If you change it, no one will ever know how the original
> > design 'might' have performed ... and if it doesn't perform well
> you'll
> > always wonder if your changes screwed things up somehow.
> >
> > Then again if it's being built mostly as a camper on the water,
> sailing
> > performance might not be your overriding priority anyways. Bolger
> > himself pointed out some pretty serious drawbacks to its likely
> sailing
> > performance in BWAOM.
> >
> > I was thinking of building one a year or two ago. I would have
> shipped
> > it to the USA and made a custom trailer for it, then used it as a
> > camping trailer that can float. My idea was to skip the sailing
> gear
> > and instead use a tiny little outboard for displacement speed
> cruising
> > and exploring, then just leave it on the trailer and use it as a
> > land-based camper the rest of the time.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ken Grome
> > Bagacay Boatworks
> > www.bagacayboatworks.com
> >
>
> The accommodations aboard are nice as well,Agreed, this is why I was interested in the design myself. It just
> a complete cabin at anchor so when the sun
> goes down and I want a nice meal, a cool
> beverage and some sleep, its all good.
looks like a really comfortable live-aboard sailboat, with far more
amenities than any other easy-to-build 20 footer ... :)
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
I see superbrick not as a cruiser but as a place to play up on the
lake on the weekends or vacation. I have plans for building a
cruiser next, but this will be my retreat. I want to sail it. Speed
is not important - it's not the destination, it's the journey. A
place to be at peace with the wind and water.
I will have a motor on it - probably an electric trolling motor - but
mainly it will be sailed. Not big on converting hydrocarbons to
smoke on the water. Wind is the only free fuel. (not a treehugger,
just practical and cheap)
The accommodations aboard are nice as well, a complete cabin at
anchor so when the sun goes down and I want a nice meal, a cool
beverage and some sleep, its all good.
Paul H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
wrote:
lake on the weekends or vacation. I have plans for building a
cruiser next, but this will be my retreat. I want to sail it. Speed
is not important - it's not the destination, it's the journey. A
place to be at peace with the wind and water.
I will have a motor on it - probably an electric trolling motor - but
mainly it will be sailed. Not big on converting hydrocarbons to
smoke on the water. Wind is the only free fuel. (not a treehugger,
just practical and cheap)
The accommodations aboard are nice as well, a complete cabin at
anchor so when the sun goes down and I want a nice meal, a cool
beverage and some sleep, its all good.
Paul H
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
wrote:
>SuperBrick
> > There have been others that suggested something
> > along the lines of the bilge keel but I cannot think
> > that this would improve it as a boat.
>
> Changing it like this makes it into something other than a
> too. If you change it, no one will ever know how the originalyou'll
> design 'might' have performed ... and if it doesn't perform well
> always wonder if your changes screwed things up somehow.sailing
>
> Then again if it's being built mostly as a camper on the water,
> performance might not be your overriding priority anyways. Bolgersailing
> himself pointed out some pretty serious drawbacks to its likely
> performance in BWAOM.shipped
>
> I was thinking of building one a year or two ago. I would have
> it to the USA and made a custom trailer for it, then used it as agear
> camping trailer that can float. My idea was to skip the sailing
> and instead use a tiny little outboard for displacement speedcruising
> and exploring, then just leave it on the trailer and use it as a
> land-based camper the rest of the time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
> There have been others that suggested somethingChanging it like this makes it into something other than a SuperBrick
> along the lines of the bilge keel but I cannot think
> that this would improve it as a boat.
too. If you change it, no one will ever know how the original
design 'might' have performed ... and if it doesn't perform well you'll
always wonder if your changes screwed things up somehow.
Then again if it's being built mostly as a camper on the water, sailing
performance might not be your overriding priority anyways. Bolger
himself pointed out some pretty serious drawbacks to its likely sailing
performance in BWAOM.
I was thinking of building one a year or two ago. I would have shipped
it to the USA and made a custom trailer for it, then used it as a
camping trailer that can float. My idea was to skip the sailing gear
and instead use a tiny little outboard for displacement speed cruising
and exploring, then just leave it on the trailer and use it as a
land-based camper the rest of the time.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
There have been others that suggested something along the lines of
the bilge keel but I cannot think that this would improve it as a
boat.
I too love the double berth forward, makes for a nice place to sleep
at anchor or lounge while enjoying the view.
I have to admit as well that Phil's description in Boats with an open
mind effected my choice. As someone who has always been a bit
different, the last iine caught me.
Irresponsible, a gratuitous mockery of right thinking boatmen and
other snobs.
It will be named Irresponsible, just seems right for it.
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
the bilge keel but I cannot think that this would improve it as a
boat.
I too love the double berth forward, makes for a nice place to sleep
at anchor or lounge while enjoying the view.
I have to admit as well that Phil's description in Boats with an open
mind effected my choice. As someone who has always been a bit
different, the last iine caught me.
Irresponsible, a gratuitous mockery of right thinking boatmen and
other snobs.
It will be named Irresponsible, just seems right for it.
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
wrote:
>is
> >
> > Paul,
> > I can't wait to see this boat. I am nearing selecting my next
> > build and it pops onto the list every so often. Moving the boat
> > what stops me. But it has so many features that keep pulling methe
> > back. I was just thinking about this problem and thought that a
> > wide bilge keel shaped with the bottom, possibly narrowing at
> > bow and stern full of water. An add on to the absolute stockwould
> > boat. About 8 inches deep or more it would increase draft but
> > provide a base to ride on the trailer. If pumped out the boat
> > would float high for launching and shallow water work. This
> > possibly replace all or some of the ballast. Now I've put itback
> > on my list again.on
> >
> > Its that forward berth with the picture windows that I want!
> >
> > Its hard to type with rubber gloves on. Got to go paint my hold
> > my Single Handed Schooner.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
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> Paul,
> I can't wait to see this boat. I am nearing selecting my next
> build and it pops onto the list every so often. Moving the boat is
> what stops me. But it has so many features that keep pulling me
> back. I was just thinking about this problem and thought that a
> wide bilge keel shaped with the bottom, possibly narrowing at the
> bow and stern full of water. An add on to the absolute stock
> boat. About 8 inches deep or more it would increase draft but
> provide a base to ride on the trailer. If pumped out the boat
> would float high for launching and shallow water work. This would
> possibly replace all or some of the ballast. Now I've put it back
> on my list again.
>
> Its that forward berth with the picture windows that I want!
>
> Its hard to type with rubber gloves on. Got to go paint my hold on
> my Single Handed Schooner.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 3 May, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I definitely am planning just to launch it once. I have a private
>> dock
>> space available for keeping her at once I get it in the water.
>>
>> If I planned to trailer it regularly I would have to work out some
>> other type of trailer. Before I fell into the deal on my flatbed
>> trailer I had worked a bit on trying to design a trailer that it
>> could
>> not only be floated off of but used as a camper as well for vacation
>> traveling.
>>
>> The odd shape of the bottom really presents problems. The best option
>> seems to be a trailer a bit wider than the legal limit since the hull
>> is about 8' wide at the point you would want to have the axles. This
>> would present problems with needing permits for every move. Another
>> problem with the hull shape is the severe rocker of the aft hull that
>> will requires some transverse supports. This is why it will be
>> cradled
>> on the flatbed. The bow, with the cutwater, presents less of problem
>> and perhaps it could be carried backwards on a trailer, allowing the
>> stern support to be fixed and thus allowing it to be floated off
>> with a
>> very long tongue extender but it would require removing the rudder to
>> eliminate the chance of damaging the rudder. Even fully kicked up it
>> would be vulnerable.
>>
>> As planned, the lowest point on the hull will be about 3' off the
>> ground when on the trailer. I have thought about various rolling
>> cradles but in the end, since it is intended really to just make a
>> single trip to water, craning is the best option.
>>
>> If someone else builds one I would love to see how they address this
>> problem.
>>
>> Paul H.
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Paul,
>> > Well I liked all I heard except for the crane part. I'd like to try
>> > rails to slide the boat off and on using a powerful winch. Slippery
>> > stuff like UHMW or cutting boards on the slides and graphite epoxy
>> on
>> > the boat bottom. There should be a good hard spot along the low
>> part
>> > of the boat with the ballast down there. Sounds like you only plan
>> > to launch once and then not do much transporting afterwords. Its
>> > sure the biggest small boat in existence(well in existence soon!
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Gene T.
>>