Re: Seaway, "keeping the sea" was: Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Navigator -
Bruce,
Thanks again. Had to read a long way down to run into the usage I
find over and over in the groups, all the way to 4. A dictionary,
whood a thought! How archaic! 8^) I actually have searched on the
web in the past but got no satisfaction.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
Thanks again. Had to read a long way down to run into the usage I
find over and over in the groups, all the way to 4. A dictionary,
whood a thought! How archaic! 8^) I actually have searched on the
web in the past but got no satisfaction.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 5 May, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Jumping in on the conversation, the meaning of nautical words like
> 'seaway' fascinates me too. I just looked it up in the Oxford English
> Dictionary, (which is a great dictionary). I see that the word dates
> to the year 1000 which is really old (or older) than the English
> language. OED definition pasted below:
>
> Seaway, Sea-way
>
> 1. a. A way over the sea; the sea as a means of communication; the
> open sea. Also (nonce-use) a channel made for the sea.
> a1000 Ags. Ps. viii. 8 (Thorpe) Fleo{asg}ende fu{asg}las, and
> sæ~fiscas, {th}a fara{edh} {asg}eond {th}a sæ-we{asg}as. [Vulg. qui
> perambulant semitas maris.] c1425 Eng. Conq. Irel. xxxiii. 80 From
> thens thay wentten to lysmore,..robbeden & prayeden, & by the see wey
> senten many grete prayes to Watyrford. 1856 KANE Arct. Expl. I. xxiv.
> 323 We passed beyond the protection of the straits into the open
> seaway. 1890 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Col. Reformer (1891) 432 The graceful
> craft, leaning to the..south wind, swept forth towards the sea-way.
> 1891 J. WINSOR Columbus App. 641 Sebastian Münster, in his maps..makes
> a clear seaway to the Moluccas somewhere in the latitude of the Strait
> of Belle Isle.
>
> b. An artificial or natural channel connecting two tracts of sea.
> 1866 Daily Tel. 11 Jan. 5/4 Xerxes cut a sea-way through Mount Athos.
> 1977 A. HALLAM Planet Earth 222/1 Towards the close of the period the
> old seaway of Tethys was progressively eliminated as the African plate
> moved northwards to impinge upon the Asian plate.
>
> c. An inland waterway with passage to the sea, esp. one capable of
> accommodating large ocean-going vessels. N. Amer. (chiefly in phr. St.
> Lawrence Seaway).
> 1921 A. M. EVANS in Chicago Daily Tribune 4 Aug. 21/7 Coastwise trade
> between Chicago and Atlantic ports..stands second only to the foreign
> commerce possibilities offered by the St. Lawrence seaway project.
> 1933 Sun (Baltimore) 23 June 3/1 (heading) Lakes-to-the-Gulf seaway
> dedicated... The joining of the Great Lakes with the Gulf of
> Mexico..by a $102,000,000 inland waterway was completed officially
> today. 1941 F. D. ROOSEVELT in Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Basin:
> Hearings (1942) I. 2, I recommend authorization of construction of the
> St. Lawrence seaway and power project, pursuant to the agreement of
> March 19, 1941, with Canada, as an integral part of the joint defense
> of the North American continent. 1959 Times 27 June 6/5 The royal
> yacht Britannia..entered the 2,300-mile St. Lawrence Seaway to mark
> the ceremonial opening of that great engineering project. 1968 Encycl.
> Brit. XIX. 910/2 The broader concept of the 'seaway', and one which is
> in general usage, includes the entire system of lakes, locks, canals,
> and rivers which have converted over 6,600 mi. (10,621 km.) of
> mainland Great Lakes shore line of the United States and Canada into
> another seacoast. 1976 Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan) 24 June I.
> 1/2 An oil spill that stretched 15 miles along the St. Lawrence
> Seaway.
>
> 2. 'The progress of a ship through the waves' (Smyth Sailor's
> Word-bk. 1867).
> 1787 BURNS Addr. to Unco Guid iv, Wi' wind and tide fair i' your tail,
> Right on ye scud your sea-way.
>
> 3. A rough sea. Usually in a sea-way (said of a ship).
> 1840 Civ. Engin. & Arch. Jrnl. III. 181/2 The effects of a sea-way
> upon the Eddystone or Bell Rock. c1860 H. STUART Seaman's Catech. 62
> Weights at the extremities cause a ship to be uneasy in a sea-way.
> 1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way,..said when a vessel is in an
> open place where the sea is rolling heavily. 1883 STEVENSON Treas.
> Isl. xxiii, The coracle..was a very safe boat.., both buoyant and
> clever in a seaway.
>
> 4. attrib.
> 1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way measurer, a kind of
> self-registering log invented by Smeaton. [The term is not used in
> Smeaton's paper, Phil. Trans. XLVIII. (1754) 532.] 1907 Daily Chron. 6
> Dec. 6/4 The Nantucket Lightship, warning seaway travellers of a
> deadly shoal.
>
> And, "keep the sea" per the OED means:
>
> Sea, n. 5b; Sea-keeping, of a ship, hovercraft, etc.: the endurance of
> (rough) conditions at sea;
>
>
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Jumping in on the conversation, the meaning of nautical words like
'seaway' fascinates me too. I just looked it up in the Oxford English
Dictionary, (which is a great dictionary). I see that the word dates
to the year 1000 which is really old (or older) than the English
language. OED definition pasted below:
Seaway, Sea-way
1. a. A way over the sea; the sea as a means of communication; the
open sea. Also (nonce-use) a channel made for the sea.
a1000 Ags. Ps. viii. 8 (Thorpe) Fleo{asg}ende fu{asg}las, and
sæ~fiscas, {th}a fara{edh} {asg}eond {th}a sæ-we{asg}as. [Vulg. qui
perambulant semitas maris.] c1425 Eng. Conq. Irel. xxxiii. 80 From
thens thay wentten to lysmore,..robbeden & prayeden, & by the see wey
senten many grete prayes to Watyrford. 1856 KANE Arct. Expl. I. xxiv.
323 We passed beyond the protection of the straits into the open
seaway. 1890 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Col. Reformer (1891) 432 The graceful
craft, leaning to the..south wind, swept forth towards the sea-way.
1891 J. WINSOR Columbus App. 641 Sebastian Münster, in his maps..makes
a clear seaway to the Moluccas somewhere in the latitude of the Strait
of Belle Isle.
b. An artificial or natural channel connecting two tracts of sea.
1866 Daily Tel. 11 Jan. 5/4 Xerxes cut a sea-way through Mount Athos.
1977 A. HALLAM Planet Earth 222/1 Towards the close of the period the
old seaway of Tethys was progressively eliminated as the African plate
moved northwards to impinge upon the Asian plate.
c. An inland waterway with passage to the sea, esp. one capable of
accommodating large ocean-going vessels. N. Amer. (chiefly in phr. St.
Lawrence Seaway).
1921 A. M. EVANS in Chicago Daily Tribune 4 Aug. 21/7 Coastwise trade
between Chicago and Atlantic ports..stands second only to the foreign
commerce possibilities offered by the St. Lawrence seaway project.
1933 Sun (Baltimore) 23 June 3/1 (heading) Lakes-to-the-Gulf seaway
dedicated... The joining of the Great Lakes with the Gulf of
Mexico..by a $102,000,000 inland waterway was completed officially
today. 1941 F. D. ROOSEVELT in Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Basin:
Hearings (1942) I. 2, I recommend authorization of construction of the
St. Lawrence seaway and power project, pursuant to the agreement of
March 19, 1941, with Canada, as an integral part of the joint defense
of the North American continent. 1959 Times 27 June 6/5 The royal
yacht Britannia..entered the 2,300-mile St. Lawrence Seaway to mark
the ceremonial opening of that great engineering project. 1968 Encycl.
Brit. XIX. 910/2 The broader concept of the 'seaway', and one which is
in general usage, includes the entire system of lakes, locks, canals,
and rivers which have converted over 6,600 mi. (10,621 km.) of
mainland Great Lakes shore line of the United States and Canada into
another seacoast. 1976 Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan) 24 June I.
1/2 An oil spill that stretched 15 miles along the St. Lawrence
Seaway.
2. 'The progress of a ship through the waves' (Smyth Sailor's
Word-bk. 1867).
1787 BURNS Addr. to Unco Guid iv, Wi' wind and tide fair i' your tail,
Right on ye scud your sea-way.
3. A rough sea. Usually in a sea-way (said of a ship).
1840 Civ. Engin. & Arch. Jrnl. III. 181/2 The effects of a sea-way
upon the Eddystone or Bell Rock. c1860 H. STUART Seaman's Catech. 62
Weights at the extremities cause a ship to be uneasy in a sea-way.
1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way,..said when a vessel is in an
open place where the sea is rolling heavily. 1883 STEVENSON Treas.
Isl. xxiii, The coracle..was a very safe boat.., both buoyant and
clever in a seaway.
4. attrib.
1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way measurer, a kind of
self-registering log invented by Smeaton. [The term is not used in
Smeaton's paper, Phil. Trans. XLVIII. (1754) 532.] 1907 Daily Chron. 6
Dec. 6/4 The Nantucket Lightship, warning seaway travellers of a
deadly shoal.
And, "keep the sea" per the OED means:
Sea, n. 5b; Sea-keeping, of a ship, hovercraft, etc.: the endurance of
(rough) conditions at sea;
'seaway' fascinates me too. I just looked it up in the Oxford English
Dictionary, (which is a great dictionary). I see that the word dates
to the year 1000 which is really old (or older) than the English
language. OED definition pasted below:
Seaway, Sea-way
1. a. A way over the sea; the sea as a means of communication; the
open sea. Also (nonce-use) a channel made for the sea.
a1000 Ags. Ps. viii. 8 (Thorpe) Fleo{asg}ende fu{asg}las, and
sæ~fiscas, {th}a fara{edh} {asg}eond {th}a sæ-we{asg}as. [Vulg. qui
perambulant semitas maris.] c1425 Eng. Conq. Irel. xxxiii. 80 From
thens thay wentten to lysmore,..robbeden & prayeden, & by the see wey
senten many grete prayes to Watyrford. 1856 KANE Arct. Expl. I. xxiv.
323 We passed beyond the protection of the straits into the open
seaway. 1890 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Col. Reformer (1891) 432 The graceful
craft, leaning to the..south wind, swept forth towards the sea-way.
1891 J. WINSOR Columbus App. 641 Sebastian Münster, in his maps..makes
a clear seaway to the Moluccas somewhere in the latitude of the Strait
of Belle Isle.
b. An artificial or natural channel connecting two tracts of sea.
1866 Daily Tel. 11 Jan. 5/4 Xerxes cut a sea-way through Mount Athos.
1977 A. HALLAM Planet Earth 222/1 Towards the close of the period the
old seaway of Tethys was progressively eliminated as the African plate
moved northwards to impinge upon the Asian plate.
c. An inland waterway with passage to the sea, esp. one capable of
accommodating large ocean-going vessels. N. Amer. (chiefly in phr. St.
Lawrence Seaway).
1921 A. M. EVANS in Chicago Daily Tribune 4 Aug. 21/7 Coastwise trade
between Chicago and Atlantic ports..stands second only to the foreign
commerce possibilities offered by the St. Lawrence seaway project.
1933 Sun (Baltimore) 23 June 3/1 (heading) Lakes-to-the-Gulf seaway
dedicated... The joining of the Great Lakes with the Gulf of
Mexico..by a $102,000,000 inland waterway was completed officially
today. 1941 F. D. ROOSEVELT in Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Basin:
Hearings (1942) I. 2, I recommend authorization of construction of the
St. Lawrence seaway and power project, pursuant to the agreement of
March 19, 1941, with Canada, as an integral part of the joint defense
of the North American continent. 1959 Times 27 June 6/5 The royal
yacht Britannia..entered the 2,300-mile St. Lawrence Seaway to mark
the ceremonial opening of that great engineering project. 1968 Encycl.
Brit. XIX. 910/2 The broader concept of the 'seaway', and one which is
in general usage, includes the entire system of lakes, locks, canals,
and rivers which have converted over 6,600 mi. (10,621 km.) of
mainland Great Lakes shore line of the United States and Canada into
another seacoast. 1976 Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan) 24 June I.
1/2 An oil spill that stretched 15 miles along the St. Lawrence
Seaway.
2. 'The progress of a ship through the waves' (Smyth Sailor's
Word-bk. 1867).
1787 BURNS Addr. to Unco Guid iv, Wi' wind and tide fair i' your tail,
Right on ye scud your sea-way.
3. A rough sea. Usually in a sea-way (said of a ship).
1840 Civ. Engin. & Arch. Jrnl. III. 181/2 The effects of a sea-way
upon the Eddystone or Bell Rock. c1860 H. STUART Seaman's Catech. 62
Weights at the extremities cause a ship to be uneasy in a sea-way.
1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way,..said when a vessel is in an
open place where the sea is rolling heavily. 1883 STEVENSON Treas.
Isl. xxiii, The coracle..was a very safe boat.., both buoyant and
clever in a seaway.
4. attrib.
1867 SMYTH Sailor's Word-bk., Sea-way measurer, a kind of
self-registering log invented by Smeaton. [The term is not used in
Smeaton's paper, Phil. Trans. XLVIII. (1754) 532.] 1907 Daily Chron. 6
Dec. 6/4 The Nantucket Lightship, warning seaway travellers of a
deadly shoal.
And, "keep the sea" per the OED means:
Sea, n. 5b; Sea-keeping, of a ship, hovercraft, etc.: the endurance of
(rough) conditions at sea;