Re: Pirate racer
Hi Clyde,
original version of the skiff back to PCB, I suggested that the boat
might be a good platform for trying multiple sails when the mood or
purpose were right. The balanced lug for everyday use, a dipping
lug for a relatively long trip (say, to some interesting looking
island several miles away from the cruiser), and a lateen or settee
for "showing off" around an anchorage. My thought was that at the
scale of the skiff, the extra sails wouldn't be prohibitively
expensive compared to the potential fun they might provide.
The MAIB article is the first evidence we've seen that they received
the comments.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> It"s also available from Phil Bolger and Friends. Jon, I wasthinking of
> asking PCB if a lateen would work on your "perfect Skiff 08" asopposed
> to the lug(since I can't have a nymph cubed).It's funny you should mention that. When I sent my comments on the
original version of the skiff back to PCB, I suggested that the boat
might be a good platform for trying multiple sails when the mood or
purpose were right. The balanced lug for everyday use, a dipping
lug for a relatively long trip (say, to some interesting looking
island several miles away from the cruiser), and a lateen or settee
for "showing off" around an anchorage. My thought was that at the
scale of the skiff, the extra sails wouldn't be prohibitively
expensive compared to the potential fun they might provide.
The MAIB article is the first evidence we've seen that they received
the comments.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Generations of canoe sails and sunfish used small lateen sails. These had no reefs, you were expected to hike out further if necessary or swim (not a bad option in warm lake water). I learned to sail a tiny rowing skiff with an old canoe sail. The short mast had a screw sticking in the top, over which you hooked a metal ring attached to the yard. There was a lanyard on the boom that went from the boom around the mast and back to the boom. The boom and yard were attached at the one end with two screw eyes. To furl I simply gathered the boom, yard and mast together and lashed it with the sheet.
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From: adventures_in_astrophotography <jon@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 3:25:09 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirate racer
Hi Mike,
...snip...
tacking. The relatively small effect on the "bad" tack is not
considered enough to warrant the hassle doing so. However, it has
been done in some older working craft.
a spot on the leech a short ways up from the clew. This triangular
section from by the reef points, leech, and foot is then bundled up
and the angle of the yard to the mast is increased to lower the
center of sail area.
Having said all that, I've never actually sailed a lateen myself!
Payson or WoodenBoat Magazine's store and contains an excellent,
succinct description of the history and handling of the lateen and
102 other rigs. I consider it a must-have book.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures .com/boatbuildin g_index.htm
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From: adventures_in_astrophotography <jon@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 3:25:09 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Pirate racer
Hi Mike,
...snip...
> 1. How do you change tack? Do you have to rotate the sail aroundLateens are not normally moved to the lee side of the mast when
> the mast, or does it make a difference?
tacking. The relatively small effect on the "bad" tack is not
considered enough to warrant the hassle doing so. However, it has
been done in some older working craft.
> 2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?Normally a line of reef points will run from the tack of the sail to
a spot on the leech a short ways up from the clew. This triangular
section from by the reef points, leech, and foot is then bundled up
and the angle of the yard to the mast is increased to lower the
center of sail area.
Having said all that, I've never actually sailed a lateen myself!
> If you haven't guessed, I'm relatively new to sailing. I've beenPhil Bolger's book "103 Small Boat Rigs" is also available from
> looking for some description of how to handle a lanteen sail, and
> really haven't found anything. Any help anyone could give would
> be greatly appreciated.
Payson or WoodenBoat Magazine's store and contains an excellent,
succinct description of the history and handling of the lateen and
102 other rigs. I consider it a must-have book.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures .com/boatbuildin g_index.htm
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It"s also available from Phil Bolger and Friends. Jon, I was thinking of
asking PCB if a lateen would work on your "perfect Skiff 08" as opposed
to the lug(since I can't have a nymph cubed). Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
asking PCB if a lateen would work on your "perfect Skiff 08" as opposed
to the lug(since I can't have a nymph cubed). Clyde
adventures_in_astrophotography wrote:
> Hi Mike,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ...snip...
> > 1. How do you change tack? Do you have to rotate the sail around
> > the mast, or does it make a difference?
>
> Lateens are not normally moved to the lee side of the mast when
> tacking. The relatively small effect on the "bad" tack is not
> considered enough to warrant the hassle doing so. However, it has
> been done in some older working craft.
>
> > 2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?
>
> Normally a line of reef points will run from the tack of the sail to
> a spot on the leech a short ways up from the clew. This triangular
> section from by the reef points, leech, and foot is then bundled up
> and the angle of the yard to the mast is increased to lower the
> center of sail area.
>
> Having said all that, I've never actually sailed a lateen myself!
>
> > If you haven't guessed, I'm relatively new to sailing. I've been
> > looking for some description of how to handle a lanteen sail, and
> > really haven't found anything. Any help anyone could give would
> > be greatly appreciated.
>
> Phil Bolger's book "103 Small Boat Rigs" is also available from
> Payson or WoodenBoat Magazine's store and contains an excellent,
> succinct description of the history and handling of the lateen and
> 102 other rigs. I consider it a must-have book.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>
>
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:25 PM, adventures_in_astrophotography
<jon@...> wrote:
yards from one side of the mast to the other. The Pirate Racer has a
boomless lateen, which is likely similar.
strong gusts of wind by quickly easing the mainsheet which feathers
the sail. If running from a strong wind, you can let the yards swing
180 (and extending forward of the boat). If it gets really windy, I
drop the sail and use the oars.
The Pirate Racer has six reef ties, which you can bundle up a 'pie
slice' of sail along the foot.
<jon@...> wrote:
> Lateens are not normally moved to the lee side of the mast whenMy Tortoise has a boomed lateen, and no there is no need to rotate the
> tacking.
yards from one side of the mast to the other. The Pirate Racer has a
boomless lateen, which is likely similar.
> 2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?The Tortoise has no reefing points. But in my Tortoise, I deal with
strong gusts of wind by quickly easing the mainsheet which feathers
the sail. If running from a strong wind, you can let the yards swing
180 (and extending forward of the boat). If it gets really windy, I
drop the sail and use the oars.
The Pirate Racer has six reef ties, which you can bundle up a 'pie
slice' of sail along the foot.
Hi Mike,
...snip...
tacking. The relatively small effect on the "bad" tack is not
considered enough to warrant the hassle doing so. However, it has
been done in some older working craft.
a spot on the leech a short ways up from the clew. This triangular
section from by the reef points, leech, and foot is then bundled up
and the angle of the yard to the mast is increased to lower the
center of sail area.
Having said all that, I've never actually sailed a lateen myself!
Payson or WoodenBoat Magazine's store and contains an excellent,
succinct description of the history and handling of the lateen and
102 other rigs. I consider it a must-have book.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
...snip...
> 1. How do you change tack? Do you have to rotate the sail aroundLateens are not normally moved to the lee side of the mast when
> the mast, or does it make a difference?
tacking. The relatively small effect on the "bad" tack is not
considered enough to warrant the hassle doing so. However, it has
been done in some older working craft.
> 2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?Normally a line of reef points will run from the tack of the sail to
a spot on the leech a short ways up from the clew. This triangular
section from by the reef points, leech, and foot is then bundled up
and the angle of the yard to the mast is increased to lower the
center of sail area.
Having said all that, I've never actually sailed a lateen myself!
> If you haven't guessed, I'm relatively new to sailing. I've beenPhil Bolger's book "103 Small Boat Rigs" is also available from
> looking for some description of how to handle a lanteen sail, and
> really haven't found anything. Any help anyone could give would
> be greatly appreciated.
Payson or WoodenBoat Magazine's store and contains an excellent,
succinct description of the history and handling of the lateen and
102 other rigs. I consider it a must-have book.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
A friend of mine and I decided it might be fun to play around with the
Pirate Racers described in Boats with an Open Mind. So, I ordered the
plans from Payson.
However, I've never used a lanteen sail before, and I have a couple of
questions:
1. How do you change tack? Do you have to rotate the sail around the
mast, or does it make a difference?
2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?
If you haven't guessed, I'm relatively new to sailing. I've been
looking for some description of how to handle a lanteen sail, and
really haven't found anything. Any help anyone could give would be
greatly appreciated.
Mike S.
Pirate Racers described in Boats with an Open Mind. So, I ordered the
plans from Payson.
However, I've never used a lanteen sail before, and I have a couple of
questions:
1. How do you change tack? Do you have to rotate the sail around the
mast, or does it make a difference?
2. If it gets a bit windy, how do you reef a lanteen sail?
If you haven't guessed, I'm relatively new to sailing. I've been
looking for some description of how to handle a lanteen sail, and
really haven't found anything. Any help anyone could give would be
greatly appreciated.
Mike S.