Re: Zephyr isometric
How high do you have to lift it with this rig? If you have to lift it
to cartop level, it will be tough; if it only has to go to bumper
level, then it's doable . . .
Gary
to cartop level, it will be tough; if it only has to go to bumper
level, then it's doable . . .
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
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> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gbship <gbship@...> wrote:
>
> > me to cartop it as it was too heavy. I could pick up half to put
it
> > on a trailer, but wouldn't have wanted to try to it to a car top.
>
>
> I was thinking of using my rotating hitch mount car topper bracket.
> You only need to lift one end of the hull at a time.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2486835094/
>
> Certainly a trailer would be better, but that is only if you have a
> place to store the trailer.
>
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 6:29 PM, gbship <gbship@...> wrote:
You only need to lift one end of the hull at a time.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2486835094/
Certainly a trailer would be better, but that is only if you have a
place to store the trailer.
> me to cartop it as it was too heavy. I could pick up half to put itI was thinking of using my rotating hitch mount car topper bracket.
> on a trailer, but wouldn't have wanted to try to it to a car top.
You only need to lift one end of the hull at a time.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2486835094/
Certainly a trailer would be better, but that is only if you have a
place to store the trailer.
Burce:
I had a Zephyr for about 10 years. Great boat. It was built as per
plans from four sheets of 3/8-inch fir ply. It would never occur to
me to cartop it as it was too heavy. I could pick up half to put it
on a trailer, but wouldn't have wanted to try to it to a car top.
Harry is right, it's easy to tow on the lightest of trailers and if
the trailer is rigged right you can launch it without wetting the
wheels. That's the way to go.
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
I had a Zephyr for about 10 years. Great boat. It was built as per
plans from four sheets of 3/8-inch fir ply. It would never occur to
me to cartop it as it was too heavy. I could pick up half to put it
on a trailer, but wouldn't have wanted to try to it to a car top.
Harry is right, it's easy to tow on the lightest of trailers and if
the trailer is rigged right you can launch it without wetting the
wheels. That's the way to go.
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "The Peillet-Long Family"
<owlnmole@...> wrote:
>several years now, but no
> I have had the plans to Zephyr and Storm Petrel (same rig) for
> building yet.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
> >
> > Instantboat Zephyr...
> >
> > Anyone around here built on of these?
> > It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
> > so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
> >
> >http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
> >
>
> I can envision tying it on top of a car.In the 30-ODD BOATS chapter on WISP #411, republished almost verbatim
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
except for some upgrade additions like the gaff yawl option in the
MAIB article (V18No18. Feb, 1 2001), Bolger wrote that he had always
found _length_ to be helpful in a cartopper for the obvious advantage
of being able to lift one end at a time into place with good
leverage. He wrote that he had already done a cheap version, the
Payson ZEPHYR #316, in the WISP category.
Particularly apart from her being graceful and refined in appearance
which lead to a later gold plated building argument, some specific
WISP requirements that match for ZEPHYR were:
1 beach cruiser ( For _"beach-cruiser"_, in an adendum to the MAIB
published article PB&F explore the significant 11 chief demands on
man and boat generally)
2 about the 700lbs PB&F displacement limit for a beachcruiser
3 weight out of ends
4 sleeps two
5 light enough to carry on top of a fair sized car
6 sail well
7 row fast
8 reaonably seaworthy (Zephyr could be improved here - freeboard, bow
bulwarks, side decks, etc)
9 rugged rig simplicity, and quick dismantling over power and close-
windedness
10 no reluctance to get the rig down flat, mast and all
Dynamite Payson wrote in INSTANT BOATS how in light winds he
sometimes loved to sit in ZEPHYR with the tiller hard over, and just
sail 360s in a boat length wthout any difficulty. Round she'd go,
easy, over and over and over again. Steers well? Manouveres? He
thought it handled well and was a pleasure to use. It sure sounds
like ZEPHYR handles well; two caveats:
1 Cartopping. Payson left the boat moored all season and only hauled
it home in the back of his ute for storage once a year,
2 Sailing. Although being a proxy first experiment for multihull bow
steering (which Bolger appeared to later give up on due to handling
and performance issues mostly: especially tacking) the prototype
monohull QUERY fitted with the degrading bow steering gear still
sailed rings around the _longer_ ZEPHYR experimental control. QUERY
reworked for conventional steering later became WINDSPRINT, and so I
would expect WINDSPRINT to out-sail and out-manouver ZEPHYR.
WINDSPRINT (length traded off against less cartopping weight to
hoist, maybe) may reasonably meet all the above requirements for WISP
and ZEPHYR, save that I'd guess for a solo rower with one extra crew
ZEPHYR would out row WINDSPRINT, when only solo WINDSPRINT would have
it, and, two up rowing? - Well, you just can't pull four oars in a
WINDSPRINT (or can ya?).
Graeme
I have had the plans to Zephyr and Storm Petrel (same rig) for several years now, but no
building yet.
building yet.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Instantboat Zephyr...
>
> Anyone around here built on of these?
> It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
> so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
>
I would think the daunting task of getting a 200 lb boat on top of a car
would inhibit its use. Much easier to just hook up a light trailer and
take off like
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5002
Extend the tongue and it would work well. I did it on this trailer
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42708
and carry two Gulls no problem.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
would inhibit its use. Much easier to just hook up a light trailer and
take off like
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=5002
Extend the tongue and it would work well. I did it on this trailer
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42708
and carry two Gulls no problem.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Instantboat Zephyr...
>
> Anyone around here built on of these?
> It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
> so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
>
>
>
I have been pondering this a little more. I wonder what the size
comparison is between the sail for this and the sail for a sailfish.
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
comparison is between the sail for this and the sail for a sailfish.
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> Instantboat Zephyr...
>
> Anyone around here built on of these?
> It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
> so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
>
>
>
Bruce,
I think there is some old info in the message archive. I recall seeing
a site with pictures of one on top of a car, possibly in Australia. I
may have gotten there through the "Flying Tadpole" page. I know I
wouldn't do it with my Outback. The rack is rated for 100 lbs.
When I was very young, we used to cartop a wooden sailfish, but that was
a full-size Ford Country Squire. That rack was fabricated from 1/4"
steel and had a hoist to lift the boat by means of an insert that
slipped into the daggerboard slot. Otherwise it took 3 full-grown men
to lift it safely up to the roof. It weighs about 200 lbs. (My sister
still has it)
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
I think there is some old info in the message archive. I recall seeing
a site with pictures of one on top of a car, possibly in Australia. I
may have gotten there through the "Flying Tadpole" page. I know I
wouldn't do it with my Outback. The rack is rated for 100 lbs.
When I was very young, we used to cartop a wooden sailfish, but that was
a full-size Ford Country Squire. That rack was fabricated from 1/4"
steel and had a hoist to lift the boat by means of an insert that
slipped into the daggerboard slot. Otherwise it took 3 full-grown men
to lift it safely up to the roof. It weighs about 200 lbs. (My sister
still has it)
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> I can envision tying it on top of a car.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
>
>
>
Instantboat Zephyr...
Anyone around here built on of these?
It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/
Anyone around here built on of these?
It calcs out to 200 lbs (1/2 bottom and 1/4" sides),
so even at 20'9" LWL I can envision tying it on top of a car.
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2473379197/