Re: Green boats

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:

>I think I see a reflection of Stevan Goldin in those PB&F articles.
> It makes me wonder and imagine about some topical PB&F
> conversations in that house.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punews/local_story_158001141.html/resou
rces_printstory

Well Bruce I hope there's nothing more to the fact that of the many
who did so PB&F are among the very few actually named in the article
as "harbouring" Mr Goldin. Hope that's not some vested fat cat
interest serving warning...

A character who himself is not unfamiliar with legal entanglement and
who had a close scrape with the law and the hugely expensive counsel
cost of freedom up in the Pilbara, WA, a few years ago arising from a
road fatality, Robert Hughes, lends support to a view of the harbour
future that is opposed to that expressed by PB&F. Mr Hughes seems to
support the bussed in tourists' $20 meals business in the existing
situation; PB&F the $150k per boat revived boatbuilding industry and
wider changes.
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/puopinion/local_story_157235321.html

For PCB, building a clipper ship might be something he'd like to do
for the fun alone. Here once again though he could be placing that
kind of fun project to one side, saying, "But I'd like still better
to help with something that might influence history - specifically,
to help extend the period in which human civilisation can be
maintained on this planet and thereby improve the chances of
establishing civilisation out in space, independent of planets, where
I believe it ultimately belongs." (Philip C Bolger, Margaret Mead
[#378 Nancy Jack], DB1980)

Graeme

Well, it seems like none of us were able to make it to PCB+SA's talk
about 'Green Boating' last week. In any case, here is a link to the
Gloucester Daily Times half a sentence of news coverage "...through a
fuel-efficient boat-building business as proposed by Phil Bolger and
Susanne Altenburger."

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/puopinion/local_story_157235531.html/resources_printstory

Also, of interest in this issue of the GDT: A mention of an
environmental activist, Stevan Goldin, who I guess may be a friend or
at least an acquaintance of PCB + SA. (For those who recall the
series of PB&F 'advanced fishing boat' articles in MAIB last year
lamenting the loss of a working fishery waterfronts in New England.) I
find it interesting as I think I see a reflection of Stevan Goldin in
those PB&F articles. It makes me wonder and imagine about some
topical PB&F conversations in that house.

http://www.gloucestertimes.com/punews/local_story_158001141.html/resources_printstory

> I don't get MAIB ... :(

If that's down to the truly exhorbitant and way out of scale cost of
overseas postage, as it was for me, then, without meaning to be an
advertisement, I can thoroughly recommend the Duckworks email annual
subscription to MAIB. It's excellent value, comes out on time every
time so far, in pdf copy at a fairly high resolution so if you miss the
feel of paper in your hands I guess you could print it and still have
pretty good facsimiles of the photos and stuff for the rack in the
reading room. IIRC you can choose which issue you would want the
subscription to commence from, so Duckworks might be willing to
commence at the issue(s) that had the PB&F "green" fishing boat article
(s) a while ago. That shouldn't be too hard for them as essentially you
get emailed an access code for each issue that opens and downloads the
magazine in a new window for saving. I'm guessing all the Duckworks
issues to date would be held and available from their server.

MAIB editorial and publishing policy is so against ICTs, fair enough,
but I do hope one day Duckworks, or somebody, re-issues all previous
MAIBs by the technology. Since the US Post Office super-hike in
overseas postage rates last year even the odd bargain on eBay is priced
out of consideration due to postage charges. I wonder how much overseas
trade US small business has lost - some have told me it's a gross
impost. Amazon's postage from the US remains reasonable, not sure
exactly how (some seems to come via Germany?).

Graeme

> I think it is fair to say that this new lineage amounts to a new
> 'class' of Bolger boats.

And, I am willing to guess due to the shallow draft qualities, that
the (so far secret) military landing craft project might also belong
to this lineage.

>> 'Topaz' 'Sitka Explorer', 'Blackfish' lineage.

> developable forefoot grafted onto a steeply rockered sharpie bow, in
> particular, are also present in our cruiser Auriga.

I think it is fair to say that this new lineage amounts to a new
'class' of Bolger boats.

Topaz, Sitka Explorer, Blackfish, New England Fishing Boat, and Auriga
all share this design element, where the hull bottom is a flat plate
heavily rockered at the bow, with a grafted on twisted panel forefoot.

Hi Bruce,

> That boat on the drawing in the photo was written up in a MAIB, a few
> months back. It, essentially, is a big version of the 'Topaz' 'Sitka
> Explorer', 'Blackfish' lineage. The bulk of the hull is a giant foam
> insulated ice chest.

Some of the same design elements - the foam/ply sandwich hull and the
developable forefoot grafted onto a steeply rockered sharpie bow, in
particular, are also present in our cruiser Auriga. I suspect other
pending designs will display some of these same elements as well. We
are getting pretty darn close on the remaining details with PB&F.

Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm

Well, here is a very rough guess at an isometric shape of the PB&F
hull "New England Fishing Boat" shown in that photo.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2530770521/

> I don't get MAIB ... :(
> It won't fit into a shipping container, will it?

I meant the boat, not the MAIB ... :)

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com

> I don't get MAIB ... :(
> It won't fit into a shipping container, will it?
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
> > That boat on the drawing in the photo was written up in
> > a MAIB, a few months back. It, essentially, is a big
> > version of the 'Topaz' 'Sitka Explorer', 'Blackfish'
> > lineage. The bulk of the hull is a giant foam
> > insulated ice chest.

I don't get MAIB ... :(

It won't fit into a shipping container, will it?

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com

> That boat on the drawing in the photo was written up in a
> MAIB, a few months back. It, essentially, is a big
> version of the 'Topaz' 'Sitka Explorer', 'Blackfish'
> lineage. The bulk of the hull is a giant foam insulated
> ice chest.

That boat on the drawing in the photo was written up in a MAIB, a few
months back. It, essentially, is a big version of the 'Topaz' 'Sitka
Explorer', 'Blackfish' lineage. The bulk of the hull is a giant foam
insulated ice chest.

I wonder if anyone has the specifications or drawings of
this boat so the rest of us could take a closer look at it?

Any freeship files available for this boat? Bruce?

:)

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com