Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
I believe meranti, whichever is cheaper. Bought from Edensaw, painted
with the System Three two pack, left outside since 2003.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/4e57
The Yellow Gull has fiberglassed bottom only, still looks good.
HJ Juneau
Sam Glasscock wrote:
with the System Three two pack, left outside since 2003.
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/browse/4e57
The Yellow Gull has fiberglassed bottom only, still looks good.
HJ Juneau
Sam Glasscock wrote:
> Harry, is your experiance with the Okume or the Meranti, or both?
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> Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
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There are those who just like being envied and I think they will stay below at the dock with their marina mates and consume more beverages. A 2 million dollar sportfish with no fish isn't much of an investment.
There are fewer fish and to motivate trips it takes a pool of fuel donors and a report of action. My pals have been tied up more than "out front" for a few years. Now, I don't know they would do any fishing other than drifting.
A month ago I had a hard time finding a small outboard in the few hp range. They were getting lots of bids on ebay and the calls to dealers were unanswered or sold out.
Putt putt time.
I'd love an auxillary sail on a power boat.
Bruce in NJ
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There are fewer fish and to motivate trips it takes a pool of fuel donors and a report of action. My pals have been tied up more than "out front" for a few years. Now, I don't know they would do any fishing other than drifting.
A month ago I had a hard time finding a small outboard in the few hp range. They were getting lots of bids on ebay and the calls to dealers were unanswered or sold out.
Putt putt time.
I'd love an auxillary sail on a power boat.
Bruce in NJ
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> > burns 100 gallons of gas per trip. The charter fishing industry is dying, I[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> All the more reason that the new PB&F 'Blackfish' fuel efficient New
> England fishing boat concept makes sense. They have hinted that they
> have a version that uses a dipping lug sail for auxiliary power, have
> the drawings been seen?
> burns 100 gallons of gas per trip. The charter fishing industry is dying, IAll the more reason that the new PB&F 'Blackfish' fuel efficient New
> think.
England fishing boat concept makes sense. They have hinted that they
have a version that uses a dipping lug sail for auxiliary power, have
the drawings been seen?
Harry, is your experiance with the Okume or the Meranti, or both?
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From: Harry James <welshman@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 2:16 PM
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There is or was a chartered Tennessee in the Keys. Capt, Linda did group
and private charters aboard Mangrove Mistress. My wife and I chartered with
her four years ago. It was then that I was totally hooked on getting a
Tennessee. I recall that she had all of her certifications for up to 6
passengers. Her comment was that the marina begrudgingly leased her a slip
as she used such small amounts of fuel that she did not contribute much to
the revenue stream. Her slip was so narrow that no other vessel in the
marina cold fit, it was against a far seawall and made you feel unwanted.
If she is still in business she is getting the last laugh at this point.
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Subject: RE: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
If you're planning on taking passengers for hire, I bet the Coast Guard may
have something to say about what materials you can and cannot use.
Things change when you go from personal use to commercial use.
D
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tempting. I plan to do a half-cabin (compared with the plans) extending the
cockpit up through where Bolger drew the head/galley area. I'll put a
standing-hieght hardtop back to where Bolger drew the aft bulkhead of the
cabin, and carry a canvas cover over a frame back to the after end of the
cocckpit.
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and private charters aboard Mangrove Mistress. My wife and I chartered with
her four years ago. It was then that I was totally hooked on getting a
Tennessee. I recall that she had all of her certifications for up to 6
passengers. Her comment was that the marina begrudgingly leased her a slip
as she used such small amounts of fuel that she did not contribute much to
the revenue stream. Her slip was so narrow that no other vessel in the
marina cold fit, it was against a far seawall and made you feel unwanted.
If she is still in business she is getting the last laugh at this point.
Caloosarat
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David C.
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 2:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
If you're planning on taking passengers for hire, I bet the Coast Guard may
have something to say about what materials you can and cannot use.
Things change when you go from personal use to commercial use.
D
---- Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@ <mailto:glasscocklanding%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am hoping to use her as an ecotour-type charter boat with a 9.9 fourstroke, although with the mileage you are getting the bigger motor is
tempting. I plan to do a half-cabin (compared with the plans) extending the
cockpit up through where Bolger drew the head/galley area. I'll put a
standing-hieght hardtop back to where Bolger drew the aft bulkhead of the
cabin, and carry a canvas cover over a frame back to the after end of the
cocckpit.
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> From: Chester Young <chester@hanswilson. <mailto:chester%40hanswilson.com>
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Okume/meranti/firit
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 12:37 PM
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> Did Phil explain his aversion to MDO? The only thing on Esther Mae that is
> MDO are the squat boards, while the worm borers have made their way into
> from the edges the flat surfaces are holding up surprisingly well, nomph
> delaminating that I have noted.
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> Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
> getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18
> depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallonand
> with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river moreOf
> frequently than ever.
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> What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
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> > ... durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir?
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> under cover, and also depending on the climate.
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> Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
> to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
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I have been thinking about gas and Bolger designs. Fritz Funk made a
cruise in his Sneakeasy on the Mississippi a few years ago, 200 miles on
12 Gallons of gas. I live in a town where everybody has multiple boats
in their yard. The old plastic runabouts slowly disappear into the moss
and now you are starting to see the large older Tollies and Uniflites
with the twin Crusaders, Small blocks and 454's not get launched at all.
$300 to go on a day fishing trip will make anybody pause.
Harry James
Juneau
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cruise in his Sneakeasy on the Mississippi a few years ago, 200 miles on
12 Gallons of gas. I live in a town where everybody has multiple boats
in their yard. The old plastic runabouts slowly disappear into the moss
and now you are starting to see the large older Tollies and Uniflites
with the twin Crusaders, Small blocks and 454's not get launched at all.
$300 to go on a day fishing trip will make anybody pause.
Harry James
Juneau
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> Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
> getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
> depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
> with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
> frequently than ever.
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If you're planning on taking passengers for hire, I bet the Coast Guard may have something to say about what materials you can and cannot use.
Things change when you go from personal use to commercial use.
D
---- Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
Things change when you go from personal use to commercial use.
D
---- Sam Glasscock <glasscocklanding@...> wrote:
> I am hoping to use her as an ecotour-type charter boat with a 9.9 four stroke, although with the mileage you are getting the bigger motor is tempting. I plan to do a half-cabin (compared with the plans) extending the cockpit up through where Bolger drew the head/galley area. I'll put a standing-hieght hardtop back to where Bolger drew the aft bulkhead of the cabin, and carry a canvas cover over a frame back to the after end of the cocckpit.
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> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Chester Young <chester@...> wrote:
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> From: Chester Young <chester@...>
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 12:37 PM
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> Did Phil explain his aversion to MDO? The only thing on Esther Mae that is
> MDO are the squat boards, while the worm borers have made their way into it
> from the edges the flat surfaces are holding up surprisingly well, no
> delaminating that I have noted.
>
> Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
> getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
> depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
> with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
> frequently than ever.
>
> What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
>
> Caloosarat
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> From: bolger@yahoogroups. com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> Bruce Hallman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:37 AM
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/ fir
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> > ... durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir?
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> It varies by 10x or more depending on whether you can store the boat
> under cover, and also depending on the climate.
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> Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
> to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
> question for Topaz, he unequivocally advised against using MDO plywood
> and wrote advised that I should use epoxy & fiberglass sheathing.
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Does great and you don't even need the barrier coat.
HJ
Sam Glasscock wrote:
HJ
Sam Glasscock wrote:
> I am getting close to ordering the ply to build a Tennessee. I am hoping to get away with sheathing only up to the waterline with epoxy/glass, and therefore am considering non-fir ply for the sides and decks/cabin tops. Does anyone have experience with the ability of Meranti/Okume to withstand checking under an epoxy barrier coat and paint, without glass? How is the durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir? Thanks
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I have a friend who has a Grady White 27' he uses for inshore charters. He burns 100 gallons of gas per trip. The charter fishing industry is dying, I think. On the other hand, the Delmarva Peninsula (and other areas, I bet) is loaded with scenic, relatively unspoiled shallow rivers full of wildlife. I am betting an inexpensive trip at six knots up a local river, spotting wildlife and watching the scenery, will appeal to people who would never pay to charter a fishing trip at the price captains are now forced to charge. My hope, anyway.
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
From: Harry James <welshman@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 2:35 PM
I have been thinking about gas and Bolger designs. Fritz Funk made a
cruise in his Sneakeasy on the Mississippi a few years ago, 200 miles on
12 Gallons of gas. I live in a town where everybody has multiple boats
in their yard. The old plastic runabouts slowly disappear into the moss
and now you are starting to see the large older Tollies and Uniflites
with the twin Crusaders, Small blocks and 454's not get launched at all.
$300 to go on a day fishing trip will make anybody pause.
Harry James
Juneau
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> Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
> getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
> depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
> with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
> frequently than ever.
>
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>
> What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
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> Caloosarat
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I am hoping to use her as an ecotour-type charter boat with a 9.9 four stroke, although with the mileage you are getting the bigger motor is tempting. I plan to do a half-cabin (compared with the plans) extending the cockpit up through where Bolger drew the head/galley area. I'll put a standing-hieght hardtop back to where Bolger drew the aft bulkhead of the cabin, and carry a canvas cover over a frame back to the after end of the cocckpit.
--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Chester Young <chester@...> wrote:
From: Chester Young <chester@...>
Subject: RE: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 12:37 PM
Did Phil explain his aversion to MDO? The only thing on Esther Mae that is
MDO are the squat boards, while the worm borers have made their way into it
from the edges the flat surfaces are holding up surprisingly well, no
delaminating that I have noted.
Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
frequently than ever.
What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
Caloosarat
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From: bolger@yahoogroups. com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:37 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/ fir
> ... durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir?
It varies by 10x or more depending on whether you can store the boat
under cover, and also depending on the climate.
Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
question for Topaz, he unequivocally advised against using MDO plywood
and wrote advised that I should use epoxy & fiberglass sheathing.
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I built an "Elegant Punt" eight years ago and a "Surf" three years ago,
both with Okoume marine BS1088 plywood from World Panel Products in
Riviera Beach, Florida. Both boats are coated with one coat of West
expoxy (with no fiberglass to keep them light) and painted with
exterior latex. Both are also outside all the time in Florida weather
(since we don't have a garage), and the Elegant Punt has been lying
upside down less than twenty feet from the St. Augustine harbor chained
to a log the entire time, sometimes with the tide just reaching it on a
big northeastern. Neither has had any checking or rot issues, although
they probably aren't much to look at.
I think quality of the plywood is high, with no voids that I have
seen. I am having ten more 6 mm sheets of it delivered this Thursday
for a Selway-Fisher "Rose" that I am working on.
both with Okoume marine BS1088 plywood from World Panel Products in
Riviera Beach, Florida. Both boats are coated with one coat of West
expoxy (with no fiberglass to keep them light) and painted with
exterior latex. Both are also outside all the time in Florida weather
(since we don't have a garage), and the Elegant Punt has been lying
upside down less than twenty feet from the St. Augustine harbor chained
to a log the entire time, sometimes with the tide just reaching it on a
big northeastern. Neither has had any checking or rot issues, although
they probably aren't much to look at.
I think quality of the plywood is high, with no voids that I have
seen. I am having ten more 6 mm sheets of it delivered this Thursday
for a Selway-Fisher "Rose" that I am working on.
Did Phil explain his aversion to MDO? The only thing on Esther Mae that is
MDO are the squat boards, while the worm borers have made their way into it
from the edges the flat surfaces are holding up surprisingly well, no
delaminating that I have noted.
Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
frequently than ever.
What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
Caloosarat
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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:37 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
under cover, and also depending on the climate.
Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
question for Topaz, he unequivocally advised against using MDO plywood
and wrote advised that I should use epoxy & fiberglass sheathing.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
MDO are the squat boards, while the worm borers have made their way into it
from the edges the flat surfaces are holding up surprisingly well, no
delaminating that I have noted.
Sam: you have selected a truly great boat for protected waters. I am
getting better than 10mpg running a 25hp four stroke that gets up to 18 mph
depending on wind, current and waves. That is a lot run time per gallon and
with gas at $4.10 I find myself being the sole vessel on the river more
frequently than ever.
What are your plans for the cabin, cockpit and deck layout?
Caloosarat
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:37 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Okume/meranti/fir
> ... durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir?It varies by 10x or more depending on whether you can store the boat
under cover, and also depending on the climate.
Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
question for Topaz, he unequivocally advised against using MDO plywood
and wrote advised that I should use epoxy & fiberglass sheathing.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> ... durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir?It varies by 10x or more depending on whether you can store the boat
under cover, and also depending on the climate.
Have you considered MDO overlay plywood? That is what I would choose
to economize and omit fiberglass. But, when I asked Phil Bolger this
question for Topaz, he unequivocally advised against using MDO plywood
and wrote advised that I should use epoxy & fiberglass sheathing.
I am getting close to ordering the ply to build a Tennessee. I am hoping to get away with sheathing only up to the waterline with epoxy/glass, and therefore am considering non-fir ply for the sides and decks/cabin tops. Does anyone have experience with the ability of Meranti/Okume to withstand checking under an epoxy barrier coat and paint, without glass? How is the durability/rot resistance of these woods as opposed to fir? Thanks
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