Agent Plans for Bolger Micro (rip-off not?)
Over on the boat building Message Board at Instant Boats, in the
Micro thread, it seems that Mr Bolger has not only been left with the
responsibility of causing the Duck Flat Wooden Boats and Common Sense
Designs plans rip-off "mess" but is also left with sole
responsibility of sorting out the "mess" now. This seems to be the
flipside of any usual moral or legal reasoning: like if someone
steals my car and sells it on and I then locate it, then tough for me
as the buyer gets to keep it as they likely paid someone for it; and
further, if the buyer knows there is likely something wrong with the
provenance, then that's just too bad until the likely rightful owner
hears and comes begging halfway round the world to initiate a
favourable (to whom?) resolution.
http://instantboats.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?
f=1&t=1650&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0
(http://instantboats.com/phpBB3/clickon <The Micro> thread)
Furthermore, the feeling at Instant Boats message board seems that
it's all a "mess" for Bolger to sort - poor old Duck Flat Wooden
Boats are just honest plan (re)selling incidental third party
victims, if at all. The matter is between Bolger and whomever, but
not concerning Instant Boats or Dynamite Payson as the plans in
question are those supposed once legally marketed by CSD. If not any
longer an employee, Mr Storer, no doubt a good bloke, continues in a
working arrangement with Duck Flat Wooden Boats. Little if any
account is taken of the facts: that Bolger has published his position
on the matter; that Bolger has attempted to resolve the matters
through the courts of the USA at large expense; that the dodgy Bolger
plan reselling businesses were relocated internationally beyond USA
commercial jurisprudence; that Bolger is 81, indignant, and
understandably quite disgusted by those who may disabuse him; nor
that a high proportion of the plans are those also marketed by
Instant Boats and not CSD! How did Duck Flat get the licensed Instant
Boats plans, and how anyway does that not concern Harold Payson?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1250
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/links/Bolger_on_Bolger_0010137337
73/
Bolger Diablo @ AUD $100.00
Bolger Chebacco @ AUD $160.00
Bolger Cartopper @ AUD $100.00
Bolger Big Dory @ AUD $160.00 (this one only perhaps in the 1992
CSD Book, and is also the Instant Boats Long Dory??)
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/index.phpclickon <Plans>
CSD Plans Book index
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/archives/date-posted/2006/11/14/
You'd have to be a mug to purchase plans from Duck Flat that are
available from Instant Boats. Altogether, including international
postage, Western Union international money order fees, and currency
conversion mark up, the price is still nearly double the cost to the
builder for the plans above if bought direct from PB&F, and even more
costly if not bought from Instant Boats!
Cripes, some of the other Duck Flats non Instant Boats "Bolger" plans
are even available off the net for less at CSB! But we know CSB are
Bolger rip-offs. Is Duckflat an approved agent for PB&F? When did
they last remit a royalty?
You might not be a mug though to get your plans this way. You may
just be blissfully ignorant. Duck Flat advertise plans in Oz print
media, always, whereas Payson, Instant Boats and PB&F are invisible.
(In print, Duck Flat advertise the other designers' plans they have,
but not Bolger's. Why? [see Bolger on Bolger link]). Wooden Boat
magazine doesn't circulate much, nor SCA or the UK ones, and MAIB not
at all. The name "Bolger" is known a little, mostly pretty vaguely
though, and I've never seen nor heard of the PB&F contact details for
plans purchases, commissions, & etc, save for one Bolger letter to an
editor in reply to a ludicrous but caustic attack from
another "designer".
The prices quoted at the Duck Flat site for other listed designers'
plans seem in accord with the prices for those listed elsewhere. Is
this another clue?
Some overseas designers and plans/kit businesses (UK) had a shake-
out last year of some unapproved Australasian/Oceania agents (not
DFWB this time, but close), and they continue to advertise this. An
interesting point about that is that some of the Australian parties
benefitting from the shakeout - now advertising the non-payment of
designer royalties caused the shake-out of the no longer authorised
agents, now warning of the risk of dealing with unauthorised agents,
and now picking up the restructured plans agencies kit sales
business - were themselves principal players at Duck Flat in those
remote "poor-messy-bolger" years through the 90's until very recent
years. I could call a spade a spade. I'll just say here that
something about planks and removing motes in the eye before throwing
stones in your residential glasshouse comes to mind.
Graeme
PS. See
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/34063?threaded=1&p=15
etc,etc,
Micro thread, it seems that Mr Bolger has not only been left with the
responsibility of causing the Duck Flat Wooden Boats and Common Sense
Designs plans rip-off "mess" but is also left with sole
responsibility of sorting out the "mess" now. This seems to be the
flipside of any usual moral or legal reasoning: like if someone
steals my car and sells it on and I then locate it, then tough for me
as the buyer gets to keep it as they likely paid someone for it; and
further, if the buyer knows there is likely something wrong with the
provenance, then that's just too bad until the likely rightful owner
hears and comes begging halfway round the world to initiate a
favourable (to whom?) resolution.
http://instantboats.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?
f=1&t=1650&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=0
(http://instantboats.com/phpBB3/clickon <The Micro> thread)
Furthermore, the feeling at Instant Boats message board seems that
it's all a "mess" for Bolger to sort - poor old Duck Flat Wooden
Boats are just honest plan (re)selling incidental third party
victims, if at all. The matter is between Bolger and whomever, but
not concerning Instant Boats or Dynamite Payson as the plans in
question are those supposed once legally marketed by CSD. If not any
longer an employee, Mr Storer, no doubt a good bloke, continues in a
working arrangement with Duck Flat Wooden Boats. Little if any
account is taken of the facts: that Bolger has published his position
on the matter; that Bolger has attempted to resolve the matters
through the courts of the USA at large expense; that the dodgy Bolger
plan reselling businesses were relocated internationally beyond USA
commercial jurisprudence; that Bolger is 81, indignant, and
understandably quite disgusted by those who may disabuse him; nor
that a high proportion of the plans are those also marketed by
Instant Boats and not CSD! How did Duck Flat get the licensed Instant
Boats plans, and how anyway does that not concern Harold Payson?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1250
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/links/Bolger_on_Bolger_0010137337
73/
Bolger Diablo @ AUD $100.00
Bolger Chebacco @ AUD $160.00
Bolger Cartopper @ AUD $100.00
Bolger Big Dory @ AUD $160.00 (this one only perhaps in the 1992
CSD Book, and is also the Instant Boats Long Dory??)
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/index.phpclickon <Plans>
CSD Plans Book index
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/archives/date-posted/2006/11/14/
You'd have to be a mug to purchase plans from Duck Flat that are
available from Instant Boats. Altogether, including international
postage, Western Union international money order fees, and currency
conversion mark up, the price is still nearly double the cost to the
builder for the plans above if bought direct from PB&F, and even more
costly if not bought from Instant Boats!
Cripes, some of the other Duck Flats non Instant Boats "Bolger" plans
are even available off the net for less at CSB! But we know CSB are
Bolger rip-offs. Is Duckflat an approved agent for PB&F? When did
they last remit a royalty?
You might not be a mug though to get your plans this way. You may
just be blissfully ignorant. Duck Flat advertise plans in Oz print
media, always, whereas Payson, Instant Boats and PB&F are invisible.
(In print, Duck Flat advertise the other designers' plans they have,
but not Bolger's. Why? [see Bolger on Bolger link]). Wooden Boat
magazine doesn't circulate much, nor SCA or the UK ones, and MAIB not
at all. The name "Bolger" is known a little, mostly pretty vaguely
though, and I've never seen nor heard of the PB&F contact details for
plans purchases, commissions, & etc, save for one Bolger letter to an
editor in reply to a ludicrous but caustic attack from
another "designer".
The prices quoted at the Duck Flat site for other listed designers'
plans seem in accord with the prices for those listed elsewhere. Is
this another clue?
Some overseas designers and plans/kit businesses (UK) had a shake-
out last year of some unapproved Australasian/Oceania agents (not
DFWB this time, but close), and they continue to advertise this. An
interesting point about that is that some of the Australian parties
benefitting from the shakeout - now advertising the non-payment of
designer royalties caused the shake-out of the no longer authorised
agents, now warning of the risk of dealing with unauthorised agents,
and now picking up the restructured plans agencies kit sales
business - were themselves principal players at Duck Flat in those
remote "poor-messy-bolger" years through the 90's until very recent
years. I could call a spade a spade. I'll just say here that
something about planks and removing motes in the eye before throwing
stones in your residential glasshouse comes to mind.
Graeme
PS. See
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/34063?threaded=1&p=15
etc,etc,