Re: Sugar Scoop on a Micro?
Reports are that the bow scooping up water is not an AS19 problem.
Apparently though there can be green water over the deck at times, not
what Bolger was worried about when comparing the design to the earlier
wave top cutting racing scows.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<howardstephenson@...> wrote:
Apparently though there can be green water over the deck at times, not
what Bolger was worried about when comparing the design to the earlier
wave top cutting racing scows.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
<howardstephenson@...> wrote:
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> Found the answer to my own question:
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>http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as19.htm
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> Howard
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Found the answer to my own question:
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as19.htm
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stephenson"
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http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as19.htm
Howard
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> (Was the AS19 ever built?)
An example:
http://www.sailomat.com/s601/commentsmain.php
(scroll down)
Some racing yachts have gone to a greater extreme, just about
eliminating the transom e.g.:
http://customlineyachts.com/About_us.html
I suppose the main aim here is to save weight.
At first I thought the intention of the original poster was to put
one on the bow, as in Bolger's AS19, shown in Bernie Wolfard's
Common Sense Design Book. This one strikes me as being completely
impractical: surely from time to time it would scoop up a
considerable weight of green water. (Was the AS19 ever built?)
Howard
http://www.sailomat.com/s601/commentsmain.php
(scroll down)
Some racing yachts have gone to a greater extreme, just about
eliminating the transom e.g.:
http://customlineyachts.com/About_us.html
I suppose the main aim here is to save weight.
At first I thought the intention of the original poster was to put
one on the bow, as in Bolger's AS19, shown in Bernie Wolfard's
Common Sense Design Book. This one strikes me as being completely
impractical: surely from time to time it would scoop up a
considerable weight of green water. (Was the AS19 ever built?)
Howard
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
> And what is a sugar scoop?
Thanks Krissie,
I've got the Bolger Micro Sailboat and the "swim ramp" on the transom
is just what I'm thinking about doing. I'm not sure about the balance
of thrust if the outboard is to one side but, with the larger rudder
of a sailboat, that might work.
Thanks for helping me think through this.
Charlie
I've got the Bolger Micro Sailboat and the "swim ramp" on the transom
is just what I'm thinking about doing. I'm not sure about the balance
of thrust if the outboard is to one side but, with the larger rudder
of a sailboat, that might work.
Thanks for helping me think through this.
Charlie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Bennett <femmpaws@...> wrote:
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> When you say Micro are you talking about the power boat or the sail
boat? And what is a sugar scoop?
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> I grew up around the work boats and what some of the things you
people call things I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you
talking about a swim platform that is inset into the transom?
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> If this is the case why not build it in on one side and move the OB
to the other side? If you do it that way you can hide the platform
with a flip down ramp that has cleats on the up side so the dogs have
something to climb up on as they reboard the boat and you don't have
to lift them out of the water.
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> Krissie
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> --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Charles Balch <yahoo@...> wrote:
> From: Charles Balch <yahoo@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Sugar Scoop on a Micro?
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 11:23 PM
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When you say Micro are you talking about the power boat or the sail boat? And what is a sugar scoop?
I grew up around the work boats and what some of the things you people call things I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you talking about a swim platform that is inset into the transom?
If this is the case why not build it in on one side and move the OB to the other side? If you do it that way you can hide the platform with a flip down ramp that has cleats on the up side so the dogs have something to climb up on as they reboard the boat and you don't have to lift them out of the water.
Krissie
I grew up around the work boats and what some of the things you people call things I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you talking about a swim platform that is inset into the transom?
If this is the case why not build it in on one side and move the OB to the other side? If you do it that way you can hide the platform with a flip down ramp that has cleats on the up side so the dogs have something to climb up on as they reboard the boat and you don't have to lift them out of the water.
Krissie
--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Charles Balch <yahoo@...> wrote:
From: Charles Balch <yahoo@...>
Subject: [bolger] Sugar Scoop on a Micro?
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 11:23 PM
I'm thinking about adding a Sugar Scoop to my Micro and would love to
hear about how well this has worked. A major reason for adding the
scoop is to make it easier for my large dogs to get on the boat. I also
like not needing a swim ladder.
I anticipate that the biggest problem will be placement of the
outboard. One solution is to cut a well in the scoop and move the
outboard when at anchor.
Another propulsion thought is a couple of (semi) permanently mounted
electric trolling motors. I'm still playing with the placement but am
having lots of fun thinking about a twin screw Micro.
Are there other design issues that I should be thinking about?
Thanks,
Charlie
S/V For Now
Yuma, AZ
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Charles Balch <yahoo@...> wrote:
kept my Tortoise on my Micro as a tender. I have rigged up a simple
way to parbuckle her across the stern. Then I wondered if I could
float the Tortoise, with the bow lashed to the stern of the Micro as a
yawlboat. This would allow a person to sit in the Tortoise, and use
oars to row both of the boats while tied together. Taking this
thought further, I think that the Tortoise is not the 'perfect' fit
for this, and another custom shaped boat would parbuckle better off
the stern, while also fit as a yawlboat better.
In any case, I imagine that a lightweight detachable swim platform
float could accomplish the same task as a sugar scoop, while not
requiring the cutting of your hull. A hollow 1/4" plywood box, 4 feet
by 3 feet by 9 inches, or so. You might even be able to mount your
motor to the plywood box instead of the Micro transom motor mount
board. The floating box could then be hinged to swing up and down,
and up out of the water when needed to sail.
> I'm thinking about adding a Sugar Scoop to my Micro...This reminds me of ideas I have had about my Micro. I have at times
kept my Tortoise on my Micro as a tender. I have rigged up a simple
way to parbuckle her across the stern. Then I wondered if I could
float the Tortoise, with the bow lashed to the stern of the Micro as a
yawlboat. This would allow a person to sit in the Tortoise, and use
oars to row both of the boats while tied together. Taking this
thought further, I think that the Tortoise is not the 'perfect' fit
for this, and another custom shaped boat would parbuckle better off
the stern, while also fit as a yawlboat better.
In any case, I imagine that a lightweight detachable swim platform
float could accomplish the same task as a sugar scoop, while not
requiring the cutting of your hull. A hollow 1/4" plywood box, 4 feet
by 3 feet by 9 inches, or so. You might even be able to mount your
motor to the plywood box instead of the Micro transom motor mount
board. The floating box could then be hinged to swing up and down,
and up out of the water when needed to sail.
I'm thinking about adding a Sugar Scoop to my Micro and would love to
hear about how well this has worked. A major reason for adding the
scoop is to make it easier for my large dogs to get on the boat. I also
like not needing a swim ladder.
I anticipate that the biggest problem will be placement of the
outboard. One solution is to cut a well in the scoop and move the
outboard when at anchor.
Another propulsion thought is a couple of (semi) permanently mounted
electric trolling motors. I'm still playing with the placement but am
having lots of fun thinking about a twin screw Micro.
Are there other design issues that I should be thinking about?
Thanks,
Charlie
S/V For Now
Yuma, AZ
hear about how well this has worked. A major reason for adding the
scoop is to make it easier for my large dogs to get on the boat. I also
like not needing a swim ladder.
I anticipate that the biggest problem will be placement of the
outboard. One solution is to cut a well in the scoop and move the
outboard when at anchor.
Another propulsion thought is a couple of (semi) permanently mounted
electric trolling motors. I'm still playing with the placement but am
having lots of fun thinking about a twin screw Micro.
Are there other design issues that I should be thinking about?
Thanks,
Charlie
S/V For Now
Yuma, AZ