Re: Eeek! isometric
Dave,
thanks for the detailed reply. Too bad you didn't get to try out the
Moth configuration:-( that would've been something :-)
Your observation "they seem to have already come up with some pretty
good cat hulls, and they don't look anything like Eeek's!" is correct
of course.
I'll point out though that they don't look like any of PCB's other
cat hulls either. And there are the capable Wa'apas (three planked
outrigger hulls) of the Pacific for comparison.
PCB has done boxy BFT sharpie hulls and bilaterally heterogenous fat
round bilged and 90degree vee bottomed "dyadamarans", most probably
best categorised as tacking outrigger types. No doubt other hull
types are satisfactory solutions for the catamaran configuration,
however things like speed, and style conformity often factor quite
highly. How about a simple cheap build from sheet material with good
capacity on shallow draft, and for a comfortably realistic moderate
cruising speed? Just wondering if the Eeek! type hull at an
appropriate L/B stretch might be an even better hydrodynamic box
shape than the usual tacking Wa'apas...
Graeme
thanks for the detailed reply. Too bad you didn't get to try out the
Moth configuration:-( that would've been something :-)
Your observation "they seem to have already come up with some pretty
good cat hulls, and they don't look anything like Eeek's!" is correct
of course.
I'll point out though that they don't look like any of PCB's other
cat hulls either. And there are the capable Wa'apas (three planked
outrigger hulls) of the Pacific for comparison.
PCB has done boxy BFT sharpie hulls and bilaterally heterogenous fat
round bilged and 90degree vee bottomed "dyadamarans", most probably
best categorised as tacking outrigger types. No doubt other hull
types are satisfactory solutions for the catamaran configuration,
however things like speed, and style conformity often factor quite
highly. How about a simple cheap build from sheet material with good
capacity on shallow draft, and for a comfortably realistic moderate
cruising speed? Just wondering if the Eeek! type hull at an
appropriate L/B stretch might be an even better hydrodynamic box
shape than the usual tacking Wa'apas...
Graeme
Graeme - When you're sailing an Eeek!, there's no looking back!
You're reclining, with your eyes just above the gunwales: Try
looking behind you while lying in a floating coffin (one which could
flood at any second) and you'll get the same experience. . . .
But, there was never a time when a rooster tail could have presented
itself. Going fast in a narrow boat that you can't hike in is
problematic (meaning likely impossible). Maybe it could surf down a
big wave and get going that fast, but I'm thankful that that never
happened. No hiking meant I could never realize the speed potential
of that hull, assuming there was any.
BUT, like others, I did want to find out that speed potential, so I
built some crude, "drop-in," hiking racks for my Eeek!. Really! It
looked just like a low-rent (pre-foiler) International Moth.
BUT, alas, it just wasn't to be :( My rudder rotted apart before I
got her back on the water with that rig (and a larger sail), and
that's about the time I decided to sawzall her into dumpster sized
bits.
Not being a naval architect, I can't really speculate learnedly
about how well this hull shape might work in other configurations. I
do know that they seem to have already come up with some pretty good
cat hulls, and they don't look anything like Eeek's!
Dave Gentry
You're reclining, with your eyes just above the gunwales: Try
looking behind you while lying in a floating coffin (one which could
flood at any second) and you'll get the same experience. . . .
But, there was never a time when a rooster tail could have presented
itself. Going fast in a narrow boat that you can't hike in is
problematic (meaning likely impossible). Maybe it could surf down a
big wave and get going that fast, but I'm thankful that that never
happened. No hiking meant I could never realize the speed potential
of that hull, assuming there was any.
BUT, like others, I did want to find out that speed potential, so I
built some crude, "drop-in," hiking racks for my Eeek!. Really! It
looked just like a low-rent (pre-foiler) International Moth.
BUT, alas, it just wasn't to be :( My rudder rotted apart before I
got her back on the water with that rig (and a larger sail), and
that's about the time I decided to sawzall her into dumpster sized
bits.
Not being a naval architect, I can't really speculate learnedly
about how well this hull shape might work in other configurations. I
do know that they seem to have already come up with some pretty good
cat hulls, and they don't look anything like Eeek's!
Dave Gentry
Speaking of Bolger's books, I hope you all don't miss the wonderful novel, Schorpeoin, or however it's spelled. It's hugely scandalous and funny. Boats feature, of course, but the relations of the sexes much more. Talk about an open mind! I hear that Peter Duff still has a garageful of unsold copies. ---Mason Smith
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Dave,
when the sailing got spirited was ther much of a rooster tail? The
quarters and tail on Eeek are similar to some of the Bolger powered
designs, so how do you imagine Eeek! may go if multihulled to do away
with heeling and so sail upright at "high" speed without imminent
threat of capsize - kind of as if she were powered?
What if she were at the same time stretched longitudinally to double
the L/B to, say, ~12/1, about 23ft?
(I'm informed here by the oft stated observation that Multis like the
weight out of the bows, and Eeek has the bouyancy capacity aft with
the flat run that might just see her planing or semi planing. And,
either way, in any hull where there's waves then over about eight
knots cruising is not cruising ;)
Graeme
when the sailing got spirited was ther much of a rooster tail? The
quarters and tail on Eeek are similar to some of the Bolger powered
designs, so how do you imagine Eeek! may go if multihulled to do away
with heeling and so sail upright at "high" speed without imminent
threat of capsize - kind of as if she were powered?
What if she were at the same time stretched longitudinally to double
the L/B to, say, ~12/1, about 23ft?
(I'm informed here by the oft stated observation that Multis like the
weight out of the bows, and Eeek has the bouyancy capacity aft with
the flat run that might just see her planing or semi planing. And,
either way, in any hull where there's waves then over about eight
knots cruising is not cruising ;)
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
>
> Nice isometric!
>
> I built an Eeek! many years ago. She was indeed a super easy, quick
> and inexpensive boat to build, and I encourage you to build one.
She
> was easy to cartop, too.
> As for being a spirited sailor, well, that's a different story. My
> Eeek! sailed pretty well, and lying down like that was a cool and
> unique experience, but spirited is not an adjective I'd have
thought
> to apply to her. Well, unless there was more than 12 knots of wind -
> then things got very spirited! Lying down, one can not hike very
> effectively, and the only response in a gust is to ease the sheet,
> or luff, and hope, hope, hope for the best. The ballast only served
> to make her stable enough to sail at all.
>
> Of course, if I had a well-cut sail and lead ballast (which would
> have lowered the COG a few more inches), my Eeek! would have
> performed better . . . but if you want a truly spirited sailing
> canoe, there are better options.
> Dave Gentry
>
Nice isometric!
I built an Eeek! many years ago. She was indeed a super easy, quick
and inexpensive boat to build, and I encourage you to build one. She
was easy to cartop, too.
As for being a spirited sailor, well, that's a different story. My
Eeek! sailed pretty well, and lying down like that was a cool and
unique experience, but spirited is not an adjective I'd have thought
to apply to her. Well, unless there was more than 12 knots of wind -
then things got very spirited! Lying down, one can not hike very
effectively, and the only response in a gust is to ease the sheet,
or luff, and hope, hope, hope for the best. The ballast only served
to make her stable enough to sail at all.
Of course, if I had a well-cut sail and lead ballast (which would
have lowered the COG a few more inches), my Eeek! would have
performed better . . . but if you want a truly spirited sailing
canoe, there are better options.
Dave Gentry
I built an Eeek! many years ago. She was indeed a super easy, quick
and inexpensive boat to build, and I encourage you to build one. She
was easy to cartop, too.
As for being a spirited sailor, well, that's a different story. My
Eeek! sailed pretty well, and lying down like that was a cool and
unique experience, but spirited is not an adjective I'd have thought
to apply to her. Well, unless there was more than 12 knots of wind -
then things got very spirited! Lying down, one can not hike very
effectively, and the only response in a gust is to ease the sheet,
or luff, and hope, hope, hope for the best. The ballast only served
to make her stable enough to sail at all.
Of course, if I had a well-cut sail and lead ballast (which would
have lowered the COG a few more inches), my Eeek! would have
performed better . . . but if you want a truly spirited sailing
canoe, there are better options.
Dave Gentry
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2677659422/
I sure would like to give this 11'6" boat a try. With the low down
prone lying down sailing position, the sleek narrow shape, and with
75+ lbs of hard ballast; I bet she would be a spirited sailer. Also,
she looks super easy to build, and with the removable ballast, a
pretty easy boat hull to hoist on cartop. (With the price of lead
these day, I would be tempted to use cast concrete for ballast instead
of metal.)
I sure would like to give this 11'6" boat a try. With the low down
prone lying down sailing position, the sleek narrow shape, and with
75+ lbs of hard ballast; I bet she would be a spirited sailer. Also,
she looks super easy to build, and with the removable ballast, a
pretty easy boat hull to hoist on cartop. (With the price of lead
these day, I would be tempted to use cast concrete for ballast instead
of metal.)