Re: [bolger] Re: Garvey Daysailer isometric
That's the same boat. It appeared in the Rudder and also in a Rudder
Plan Book.
Plan Book.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:39 PM, graeme19121984 wrote:
> [Gidge is here too: as #7796-- SANDSPUR, A GARVEY by Gidge Gandy. A
> very traditional shape but still good today
>http://dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm
=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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Great name - ya couldn't make it up, you'd have to grow up with it!
http://www.friend.ly.net/users/dadadata/short/gandy.html
[Gidge is here too: as #7796-- SANDSPUR, A GARVEY by Gidge Gandy. A
very traditional shape but still good today
http://dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm(there's also #5595
SNORKY a 14-ft Cat-Rigged Scow, and Chapelle's Mule)]
Gidge's club clew sail gives a bit more power low down, I know, but
I'm not sure I like being clubbed. Then, how is that spreet club
hitched on? It seems to me that the spreet sheet hitch shown here
http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/scow/tubby2.gifjust won't
work. I tried tying it a few ways and it seems whoever drew that
detail either couldn't draw or never tied it! There probably should
be an elegant little hitch for this application.
Graeme
http://www.friend.ly.net/users/dadadata/short/gandy.html
[Gidge is here too: as #7796-- SANDSPUR, A GARVEY by Gidge Gandy. A
very traditional shape but still good today
http://dngoodchild.com/divide_for_sail_boats.htm(there's also #5595
SNORKY a 14-ft Cat-Rigged Scow, and Chapelle's Mule)]
Gidge's club clew sail gives a bit more power low down, I know, but
I'm not sure I like being clubbed. Then, how is that spreet club
hitched on? It seems to me that the spreet sheet hitch shown here
http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/scow/tubby2.gifjust won't
work. I tried tying it a few ways and it seems whoever drew that
detail either couldn't draw or never tied it! There probably should
be an elegant little hitch for this application.
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, c o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
>
> The Cheap Pages have an 18-ft garvey from ca 1920 from the Rudder,
> written up by Gidge Gandy (no, I'm not making that name up).
The Caravelle 16 isn't a garvey - more of a sampan, but it's a good,
proven boat with a square front:
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=CV16&cat=12
There was a garvey design by Thomas Jones. I put the plans in the
files of the boatdesign Yahoo group about a month ago.
And of course, you may find plans in Chapelle.
You might try to find the plans for an old one-design named the Duster
which was popular in NJ about 50 years ago.
Finally, if you ask around all the maritime museums, you may find one
with a plan in their collection. Mystic Seaport might have just about
anything, but I would also try the Independence Seaport Museum in
Philly since they have a lot of NJ and Delaware Bay boats.
proven boat with a square front:
http://www.bateau.com/proddetail.php?prod=CV16&cat=12
There was a garvey design by Thomas Jones. I put the plans in the
files of the boatdesign Yahoo group about a month ago.
And of course, you may find plans in Chapelle.
You might try to find the plans for an old one-design named the Duster
which was popular in NJ about 50 years ago.
Finally, if you ask around all the maritime museums, you may find one
with a plan in their collection. Mystic Seaport might have just about
anything, but I would also try the Independence Seaport Museum in
Philly since they have a lot of NJ and Delaware Bay boats.
The Cheap Pages have an 18-ft garvey from ca 1920 from the Rudder,
written up by Gidge Gandy (no, I'm not making that name up).
Garveys aren't hard to design. Work from Bolger's sketch. The rig is
basically an AS-19 or Jinni.
written up by Gidge Gandy (no, I'm not making that name up).
Garveys aren't hard to design. Work from Bolger's sketch. The rig is
basically an AS-19 or Jinni.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:31 AM, graeme19121984 wrote:
> Gregory,
>
> thanks for the update on this sailer from PCB. What a shame there's
> no plan :(
>
> I've been thinking of a Jinni with a substituted garvey mod up front
> to add power, and dry. I wonder what PCB would think?
>
> Interesting Bolger design elements for a garveylicious boat.
>
> Called a garvey - maybe got the bow - but more like some scows of
> decades later - what, litle/no flare??.
>
> Close to a 2.5/1 L/B, certainly meant for sailing, planing, too wide
> and oh-so-much skeg surface for easy rowing, no allowance for an
> outboard if needed to confirm.
>
> Big Bolger preferred sailplan.
>
> Lots of sprawling space, typical for Bolger, not always so of others,
> that not just daysailer in name alone.
>
> Hatched deck openings - draining deck - this one to be left on Dean's
> mooring?? - casual daysailer like?? - maybe more so with Cartoon 40
> type and the larger garveys gaff rig??
>
> Do hatch covers and wales cut into legs and buttocks etc, and so
> thick cushions required for bigger crews down on the deck, and hiking
> pants for lighter and solo??
>
> Centreboard must have been at Dean's request??
>
> Maybe do this deck and hatch thing on Cold Water Sailboard?
>
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@...> wrote:
> >
> > I received a fax back from Phil Bolger this morning on the Garvey
> > Daysailer,
>
>
>
=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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Gregory,
thanks for the update on this sailer from PCB. What a shame there's
no plan :(
I've been thinking of a Jinni with a substituted garvey mod up front
to add power, and dry. I wonder what PCB would think?
Interesting Bolger design elements for a garveylicious boat.
Called a garvey - maybe got the bow - but more like some scows of
decades later - what, litle/no flare??.
Close to a 2.5/1 L/B, certainly meant for sailing, planing, too wide
and oh-so-much skeg surface for easy rowing, no allowance for an
outboard if needed to confirm.
Big Bolger preferred sailplan.
Lots of sprawling space, typical for Bolger, not always so of others,
that not just daysailer in name alone.
Hatched deck openings - draining deck - this one to be left on Dean's
mooring?? - casual daysailer like?? - maybe more so with Cartoon 40
type and the larger garveys gaff rig??
Do hatch covers and wales cut into legs and buttocks etc, and so
thick cushions required for bigger crews down on the deck, and hiking
pants for lighter and solo??
Centreboard must have been at Dean's request??
Maybe do this deck and hatch thing on Cold Water Sailboard?
Graeme
thanks for the update on this sailer from PCB. What a shame there's
no plan :(
I've been thinking of a Jinni with a substituted garvey mod up front
to add power, and dry. I wonder what PCB would think?
Interesting Bolger design elements for a garveylicious boat.
Called a garvey - maybe got the bow - but more like some scows of
decades later - what, litle/no flare??.
Close to a 2.5/1 L/B, certainly meant for sailing, planing, too wide
and oh-so-much skeg surface for easy rowing, no allowance for an
outboard if needed to confirm.
Big Bolger preferred sailplan.
Lots of sprawling space, typical for Bolger, not always so of others,
that not just daysailer in name alone.
Hatched deck openings - draining deck - this one to be left on Dean's
mooring?? - casual daysailer like?? - maybe more so with Cartoon 40
type and the larger garveys gaff rig??
Do hatch covers and wales cut into legs and buttocks etc, and so
thick cushions required for bigger crews down on the deck, and hiking
pants for lighter and solo??
Centreboard must have been at Dean's request??
Maybe do this deck and hatch thing on Cold Water Sailboard?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@...> wrote:
>
> I received a fax back from Phil Bolger this morning on the Garvey
> Daysailer,
I received a fax back from Phil Bolger this morning on the Garvey
Daysailer, and he said that there had been at the time no interest in
the boat so he had not prepared working plans, although, he said, "I
thought it had some merit."
He also said that the sketch was fairly detailed, that there was no
equivalent boat in his archives, and that he was unable to take on new
work at the present.
He thought it may have appeared in the old Small Boat Journal. I have
ordered the sketch from MAIB, but if anyone has it readily available in
pdf, I would like to get a copy. Thanks.
Daysailer, and he said that there had been at the time no interest in
the boat so he had not prepared working plans, although, he said, "I
thought it had some merit."
He also said that the sketch was fairly detailed, that there was no
equivalent boat in his archives, and that he was unable to take on new
work at the present.
He thought it may have appeared in the old Small Boat Journal. I have
ordered the sketch from MAIB, but if anyone has it readily available in
pdf, I would like to get a copy. Thanks.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2729035758/
>
> ..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
> foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
> enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
> trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB
>
Sure enough.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Mouradian" <r_mouradian@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I guess the Dean McClure reference may explain the similarity
with Michalak's Deansbox.
>
I sent a fax this morning to Phil Bolger asking if plans were ever
drawn for the boat. I am interested in building the boat and will let
the group know what I hear from Phil.
Does anyone know if one was build and if pictures are posted anywhere?
I could not find any from a Google search.
drawn for the boat. I am interested in building the boat and will let
the group know what I hear from Phil.
Does anyone know if one was build and if pictures are posted anywhere?
I could not find any from a Google search.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2729035758/
>
> ..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
> foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
> enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
> trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
with Michalak's Deansbox.
>Well, I guess the Dean McClure reference may explain the similarity
with Michalak's Deansbox.
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, c o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:design?
> > Bruce, what's the accompanying text say about the reason for the
>
> PCB: "Dean McClure asked me to sketch a garvey for Florida use.
> ...The wide bow of the garvey makes space and stability in a short and
> light hull; this would make a fast and handy boat if there wasn't too
> steep a chop, and even in rough water she would be a good sailer if
> she was sailed heeled at the right angle. ... She would have a
> watertight deck with hatches forming footwells. ... With the hatches
> open, people can site comfortably with their feet down and foot-high
> protection. With the hatch covers in place she will shed rain. The
> space under the deck is all accessible and usually dry."
>
Yeah, sort of a big Optimist for big folks <chuckle>
On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:54 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, c o'donnell
> <dadadata@...> wrote:
> > Bruce, what's the accompanying text say about the reason for the
> design?
>
> PCB: "Dean McClure asked me to sketch a garvey for Florida use.
> ...The wide bow of the garvey makes space and stability in a short and
> light hull; this would make a fast and handy boat if there wasn't too
> steep a chop, and even in rough water she would be a good sailer if
> she was sailed heeled at the right angle. ... She would have a
> watertight deck with hatches forming footwells. ... With the hatches
> open, people can site comfortably with their feet down and foot-high
> protection. With the hatch covers in place she will shed rain. The
> space under the deck is all accessible and usually dry."
>
>
=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, c o'donnell <dadadata@...> wrote:
...The wide bow of the garvey makes space and stability in a short and
light hull; this would make a fast and handy boat if there wasn't too
steep a chop, and even in rough water she would be a good sailer if
she was sailed heeled at the right angle. ... She would have a
watertight deck with hatches forming footwells. ... With the hatches
open, people can site comfortably with their feet down and foot-high
protection. With the hatch covers in place she will shed rain. The
space under the deck is all accessible and usually dry."
> Bruce, what's the accompanying text say about the reason for the design?PCB: "Dean McClure asked me to sketch a garvey for Florida use.
...The wide bow of the garvey makes space and stability in a short and
light hull; this would make a fast and handy boat if there wasn't too
steep a chop, and even in rough water she would be a good sailer if
she was sailed heeled at the right angle. ... She would have a
watertight deck with hatches forming footwells. ... With the hatches
open, people can site comfortably with their feet down and foot-high
protection. With the hatch covers in place she will shed rain. The
space under the deck is all accessible and usually dry."
Bruce, what's the accompanying text say about the reason for the design?
On Aug 3, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2729035758/
>
> ..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
> foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
> enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
> trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB
>
>
=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610
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Interesting how so often there are similar Michalak designs. In this
case, the Michalak design is DeansBox. About 3' shorter.
I find it curious that both designs carry mizzens, though I think the
Michalak boat would get along fine without it.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/deansbox/index.htm
Don Schultz
case, the Michalak design is DeansBox. About 3' shorter.
I find it curious that both designs carry mizzens, though I think the
Michalak boat would get along fine without it.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/deansbox/index.htm
Don Schultz
Bruce,
That boat has PDRacer replacement written all over it!
Gene T.
That boat has PDRacer replacement written all over it!
Gene T.
On 3 Aug, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2729035758/
>
> ..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
> foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
> enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
> trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB
>
>
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http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/2729035758/
..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB
..shows an isometric study of another much ignored Bolger boat, the 18
foot Garvey Daysailer, an un-numbered sketch I think, but there is
enough detail to to build. It looks really well suited as a stable
trailer day sailer. Ref: Dec15-1994 MAIB