RE: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Aaron
I did launch my Payson Pirogue last weekend, and I was very happy with her.
I've taken lots of pictures of her construction and launch, and even took a
short video of me paddling her for the first time. I haven't had time yet
to assemble things into nice web page, but hope to within the next week. My
web site is "mgalvin.com/boatbuilding." I've posted stuff there about
building a Nymph and a Junebug, some pictures of Phil Bolger's old
Resolution, a visit to Dynamite Payson's shop, and building oars for my
Junebug. Nothing there about my Payson Pirogue, yet.
I ended up using Turk's head knots on the paddles as drip rings. The Turk's
heads were not hard to tie, do seem to work well, and look salty, to boot.
After using the Pirogue, as Bolger suggested, without a seat and footrests,
I'd like to try a seat to see if it adds comfort and efficiency. I wanted
to try building a wooden seat according to plans in Mark Pettingill's book
on building "Sweat Dream", a canoe he designed much like the Pirogue. I am
running out of good weather here in Michigan, so I instead decided to order
a commercially made seat from a company called "Surf to Summit," what they
call a "Tech Molded Kayak Seat with Pack," for $88.
Mike Galvin
Muskegon, MI
mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:42 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I've been out of town and just now getting back and uploading a picture of
the spray skirt
and seat. I'd like to see your Canoe but can't seem to find your web site.
Aaron
I did launch my Payson Pirogue last weekend, and I was very happy with her.
I've taken lots of pictures of her construction and launch, and even took a
short video of me paddling her for the first time. I haven't had time yet
to assemble things into nice web page, but hope to within the next week. My
web site is "mgalvin.com/boatbuilding." I've posted stuff there about
building a Nymph and a Junebug, some pictures of Phil Bolger's old
Resolution, a visit to Dynamite Payson's shop, and building oars for my
Junebug. Nothing there about my Payson Pirogue, yet.
I ended up using Turk's head knots on the paddles as drip rings. The Turk's
heads were not hard to tie, do seem to work well, and look salty, to boot.
After using the Pirogue, as Bolger suggested, without a seat and footrests,
I'd like to try a seat to see if it adds comfort and efficiency. I wanted
to try building a wooden seat according to plans in Mark Pettingill's book
on building "Sweat Dream", a canoe he designed much like the Pirogue. I am
running out of good weather here in Michigan, so I instead decided to order
a commercially made seat from a company called "Surf to Summit," what they
call a "Tech Molded Kayak Seat with Pack," for $88.
Mike Galvin
Muskegon, MI
mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:42 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I've been out of town and just now getting back and uploading a picture of
the spray skirt
and seat. I'd like to see your Canoe but can't seem to find your web site.
Aaron
> I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lotsof
> photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into apage
> on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> launch her Sunday.
>
> Michael Galvin
Michael,
I've been out of town and just now getting back and uploading a picture of the spray skirt
and seat. I'd like to see your Canoe but can't seem to find your web site. Aaron
I've been out of town and just now getting back and uploading a picture of the spray skirt
and seat. I'd like to see your Canoe but can't seem to find your web site. Aaron
> I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots of
> photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into a page
> on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to
> launch her Sunday.
>
> Michael Galvin
Michael, your boat is a little beauty!
For a cheap seat which is very comfortable see
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showpost.php?p=798859&postcount=4
'Rings' cut from a foam camping mat, glued with a cheap contact cement.
Sit on the flat side, not the 'ringed' side.
Can't remember whose kayak website I pinched the idea from.
cheers
Alan J
South Australia
For a cheap seat which is very comfortable see
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showpost.php?p=798859&postcount=4
'Rings' cut from a foam camping mat, glued with a cheap contact cement.
Sit on the flat side, not the 'ringed' side.
Can't remember whose kayak website I pinched the idea from.
cheers
Alan J
South Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Galvin" <michaelgalvin@...>
>
> I did not build a kayak seat into my boat. A local kayak salesman said he
> thought it was nuts to paddle a kayak without a backrest and footrests.
> Somewhere, Bolger has written he thinks kayakers should not rest their
> backs
> on anything, instead, keeping their upper body loose, letting the boat
> rock
> from side to side underneath them. I can't remember his entire line of
> thinking. I respect his opinion so much, I'll try my boat first his way,
> without a seat, and maybe latter add a seat.
>
> Michael Galvin
>
I have no opinion on the back rest except as an old guy I need one after
a while. You do have to tie your bottom to the boat firmly however. On
my kayaks the seat and seat sides are a tight fit on my hips and make
the boat part of my lower body. You start slipping around in waves and
you will get in trouble quick. If you move around and can't brace your
feet you can't put force on the paddle either. That all being said, I
still think rowing is a better way to go, though that is a digression.
HJ
Michael Galvin wrote:
a while. You do have to tie your bottom to the boat firmly however. On
my kayaks the seat and seat sides are a tight fit on my hips and make
the boat part of my lower body. You start slipping around in waves and
you will get in trouble quick. If you move around and can't brace your
feet you can't put force on the paddle either. That all being said, I
still think rowing is a better way to go, though that is a digression.
HJ
Michael Galvin wrote:
> --snip--
>
> I did not build a kayak seat into my boat. A local kayak salesman said he
> thought it was nuts to paddle a kayak without a backrest and footrests.
> Somewhere, Bolger has written he thinks kayakers should not rest their backs
> on anything, instead, keeping their upper body loose, letting the boat rock
> from side to side underneath them. I can't remember his entire line of
> thinking. I respect his opinion so much, I'll try my boat first his way,
> without a seat, and maybe latter add a seat.
>
> When I launch tomorrow, I'll try to take some video so everyone can see how
> the boat paddles with an overweight amateur.
>
> By the way, I intend to take my Payson Pirogue, and my old Junebug, to the
> Lake Monroe Messabout near Bloomington, IN on Sept. 19-21. Hope to see some
> other Midwesterners there.
>
>
>
> Michael Galvin
>
> Muskegon, MI
>
>
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> nordski62
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> I just posted a couple of photos to an album titled "Bolger Canoe". I'm
> headed out boating
> this morning and will take a few pictures of the spray skirt. The skirt was
> easy to make and
> really works well. Happy launching on Sunday! Do you have your boat set up
> with a kayak type
> seat? Aaron
>
>
>> I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots
>>
> of
>
>> photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into a
>>
> page
>
>> on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to
>> launch her Sunday.
>>
>> Michael Galvin
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Michael,
The rings provide an edge for water to drip off, instead of running down the paddle shaft to your hands, so they don't need to be wide, but should be relatively high. I have used turkshead knots made of 1/8 or 3/16" nylon braid for drip rings, but a single strand of 1/4 " rope with the ends melted together would work as well. Turksheads used as bracelets are usually doubled or tripled; the line passed along the original knot two or thee times. This is not needed for drip rings. Google "how to tie turkshead" for better directions than I can give here for the knot, or look in almost any knot book.
Good luck,
Ford Walton
The rings provide an edge for water to drip off, instead of running down the paddle shaft to your hands, so they don't need to be wide, but should be relatively high. I have used turkshead knots made of 1/8 or 3/16" nylon braid for drip rings, but a single strand of 1/4 " rope with the ends melted together would work as well. Turksheads used as bracelets are usually doubled or tripled; the line passed along the original knot two or thee times. This is not needed for drip rings. Google "how to tie turkshead" for better directions than I can give here for the knot, or look in almost any knot book.
Good luck,
Ford Walton
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Galvin <michaelgalvin@...>
To: Bolger Yahoo Group <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [bolger] seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe (deckless
kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together. I
think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clove
hitch.
Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
done?
Michael Galvin
mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
Muskegon, MI
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thanks for uploading the photos of your "Bolger Canoe." I love the colors
you chose. I chose almost the same color inside the boat as you. I see you
beefed up the gunwhales and extended them from stem to stern, and added what
I think are footrests, or maybe blocks into which the seat is screwed.
I did not build a kayak seat into my boat. A local kayak salesman said he
thought it was nuts to paddle a kayak without a backrest and footrests.
Somewhere, Bolger has written he thinks kayakers should not rest their backs
on anything, instead, keeping their upper body loose, letting the boat rock
from side to side underneath them. I can't remember his entire line of
thinking. I respect his opinion so much, I'll try my boat first his way,
without a seat, and maybe latter add a seat.
When I launch tomorrow, I'll try to take some video so everyone can see how
the boat paddles with an overweight amateur.
By the way, I intend to take my Payson Pirogue, and my old Junebug, to the
Lake Monroe Messabout near Bloomington, IN on Sept. 19-21. Hope to see some
other Midwesterners there.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, MI
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I just posted a couple of photos to an album titled "Bolger Canoe". I'm
headed out boating
this morning and will take a few pictures of the spray skirt. The skirt was
easy to make and
really works well. Happy launching on Sunday! Do you have your boat set up
with a kayak type
seat? Aaron
you chose. I chose almost the same color inside the boat as you. I see you
beefed up the gunwhales and extended them from stem to stern, and added what
I think are footrests, or maybe blocks into which the seat is screwed.
I did not build a kayak seat into my boat. A local kayak salesman said he
thought it was nuts to paddle a kayak without a backrest and footrests.
Somewhere, Bolger has written he thinks kayakers should not rest their backs
on anything, instead, keeping their upper body loose, letting the boat rock
from side to side underneath them. I can't remember his entire line of
thinking. I respect his opinion so much, I'll try my boat first his way,
without a seat, and maybe latter add a seat.
When I launch tomorrow, I'll try to take some video so everyone can see how
the boat paddles with an overweight amateur.
By the way, I intend to take my Payson Pirogue, and my old Junebug, to the
Lake Monroe Messabout near Bloomington, IN on Sept. 19-21. Hope to see some
other Midwesterners there.
Michael Galvin
Muskegon, MI
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:46 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I just posted a couple of photos to an album titled "Bolger Canoe". I'm
headed out boating
this morning and will take a few pictures of the spray skirt. The skirt was
easy to make and
really works well. Happy launching on Sunday! Do you have your boat set up
with a kayak type
seat? Aaron
>of
> I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots
> photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into apage
> on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> launch her Sunday.
>
> Michael Galvin
Michael,
Third try to post this link.
I sent a subsequent post with a view of the french hitching, but it
didn't get on for some reason. Here it is again:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.htmlIt is basically a
multi-pass clove hitch. The idea is that you would make the whole
thing out of one piece of string. Turks head on either end with french
hitching in the middle. Not as simple as whipping, but I think it is
more secure.
V/R
Chris
V/R
Chris --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Galvin"
<michaelgalvin@...> wrote:
Third try to post this link.
I sent a subsequent post with a view of the french hitching, but it
didn't get on for some reason. Here it is again:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.htmlIt is basically a
multi-pass clove hitch. The idea is that you would make the whole
thing out of one piece of string. Turks head on either end with french
hitching in the middle. Not as simple as whipping, but I think it is
more secure.
V/R
Chris
V/R
Chris --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Galvin"
<michaelgalvin@...> wrote:
>advanced
> Chris
>
> That Turk's Head looks cool, and do-able by an old scout who never
> beyond Life. I didn't understand the French hitch suggestion. Isee how I
> could place a Turk's head at the ends of the pole, inboard of thepaddle,
> but where would the French hitch go.
>
> Mike Galvin
>
Thanks for the clarification. I had one or the other and had read the
one I didn't have and had reached the idea that they were the same.
Unfortunately, my parents sold the house and moved onto their boat while
I was at sea and it got lost in the shuffle.
V/R
Chris
Bob Johnson wrote:
one I didn't have and had reached the idea that they were the same.
Unfortunately, my parents sold the house and moved onto their boat while
I was at sea and it got lost in the shuffle.
V/R
Chris
Bob Johnson wrote:
> On Friday, September 5, 2008, at 02:03 PM, Chris wrote:
>
>
>> You might also look for a
>> copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
>> It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
>>
>
> Just to clarify, but those are not the same book. There is a good deal
> of overlap in the material presented, but _The Marlinspike Sailor_ came
> first, published by the Rudder in 1949. _The Arts of the Sailor_ came
> next, published by Van Nostrand in 1953.
>
> TMS is larger format and very skill and/or project oriented. TAotS is
> more narrative, sort of a text book of traditional ways. Both are
> worth having and are available in reprint editions.
>
> Bob
>
>
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Michael,
I sent a subsequent post with a view of the french hitching, but it
didn't get on for some reason. Here it is again:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.htmlIt is basically a
multi-[ass clove hitch. The idea is that you would make the whole thing
out of one piece of string..
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
I sent a subsequent post with a view of the french hitching, but it
didn't get on for some reason. Here it is again:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.htmlIt is basically a
multi-[ass clove hitch. The idea is that you would make the whole thing
out of one piece of string..
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
> Chris
>
> That Turk's Head looks cool, and do-able by an old scout who never advanced
> beyond Life. I didn't understand the French hitch suggestion. I see how I
> could place a Turk's head at the ends of the pole, inboard of the paddle,
> but where would the French hitch go.
>
> Mike Galvin
>
>
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Christopher Wetherill
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:57 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
> I would use a turks head on each end and a french hitch in between.
> Turks head is here:
>http://www.troop54.com/knots/TurksHeadKnot/TurksHeadKnot.htmFrench
> hitching is simply consecutive half hitches. You might also look for a
> copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
> It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
>
Michael,
I just posted a couple of photos to an album titled "Bolger Canoe". I'm headed out boating
this morning and will take a few pictures of the spray skirt. The skirt was easy to make and
really works well. Happy launching on Sunday! Do you have your boat set up with a kayak type
seat? Aaron
I just posted a couple of photos to an album titled "Bolger Canoe". I'm headed out boating
this morning and will take a few pictures of the spray skirt. The skirt was easy to make and
really works well. Happy launching on Sunday! Do you have your boat set up with a kayak type
seat? Aaron
>
> I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots of
> photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into a page
> on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to
> launch her Sunday.
>
> Michael Galvin
Chris
That Turk's Head looks cool, and do-able by an old scout who never advanced
beyond Life. I didn't understand the French hitch suggestion. I see how I
could place a Turk's head at the ends of the pole, inboard of the paddle,
but where would the French hitch go.
Mike Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher Wetherill
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:57 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I would use a turks head on each end and a french hitch in between.
Turks head is here:
http://www.troop54.com/knots/TurksHeadKnot/TurksHeadKnot.htmFrench
hitching is simply consecutive half hitches. You might also look for a
copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
Links
That Turk's Head looks cool, and do-able by an old scout who never advanced
beyond Life. I didn't understand the French hitch suggestion. I see how I
could place a Turk's head at the ends of the pole, inboard of the paddle,
but where would the French hitch go.
Mike Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher Wetherill
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:57 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Michael,
I would use a turks head on each end and a french hitch in between.
Turks head is here:
http://www.troop54.com/knots/TurksHeadKnot/TurksHeadKnot.htmFrench
hitching is simply consecutive half hitches. You might also look for a
copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe (decklessI
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
> paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
> of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
> onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
>
> Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
> look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
> which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together.
> think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clovehorses
> hitch.
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
> done?
>
>
>
> Michael Galvin
>
> mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
>
> Muskegon, MI
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Jon
Thanks for your ideas. The paddle I constructed does not come apart, so
rings aren't an option.
Mike Galvin
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adventures_in_astrophotography
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:59 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Hi Michael,
all without knots. I glued the starting ends of the leathers to the
oar, wrapped away, then glued the other end. For the buttons, which
are probably closer to the drip rings on a double paddle, I used a
hot knife to cut both ends of a piece of rope and quickly stuck the
two ends together while they were still hot. Then I slipped the ring
down the oar handle and epoxied it in place. I then brushed all the
rope with epoxy, down in the "valleys" between the wrappings and
such. This process is described in Payson's book "Build the New
Instant Boats" in the chapter on Gypsy.
The oars are backup for a motorboat, and I've only used them once to
sneek up to a fishing spot, so I can't comment on longevity. Rubber
drip rings for double paddles are available online, assuming your
paddle comes apart to get them on the shaft.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Thanks for your ideas. The paddle I constructed does not come apart, so
rings aren't an option.
Mike Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
adventures_in_astrophotography
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:59 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
Hi Michael,
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe(deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair ofdouble
> paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope onthe ends
> of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "dripseizing" rope
> onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.make it
>
> Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to
> look neat? It reminds of building structures in BoyScout "pioneering" in
> which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join themtogether. I
> think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with aclove
> hitch.this is
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how
> done?I used rope to make leathers and buttons on set of oars a while back,
all without knots. I glued the starting ends of the leathers to the
oar, wrapped away, then glued the other end. For the buttons, which
are probably closer to the drip rings on a double paddle, I used a
hot knife to cut both ends of a piece of rope and quickly stuck the
two ends together while they were still hot. Then I slipped the ring
down the oar handle and epoxied it in place. I then brushed all the
rope with epoxy, down in the "valleys" between the wrappings and
such. This process is described in Payson's book "Build the New
Instant Boats" in the chapter on Gypsy.
The oars are backup for a motorboat, and I've only used them once to
sneek up to a fishing spot, so I can't comment on longevity. Rubber
drip rings for double paddles are available online, assuming your
paddle comes apart to get them on the shaft.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
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Bruce
Thanks for the suggestion of "whipping" the pole as if it where the end of a
line. I should have thought of that. It's a great idea. Simplicity itself.
Mike Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:39 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
In my book, whipping (which hides the knot inside the string) is the
neatest way to wrap a pole with string.
http://www.inquiry.net/images/whip.jpg
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Thanks for the suggestion of "whipping" the pole as if it where the end of a
line. I should have thought of that. It's a great idea. Simplicity itself.
Mike Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Hallman
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:39 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
In my book, whipping (which hides the knot inside the string) is the
neatest way to wrap a pole with string.
http://www.inquiry.net/images/whip.jpg
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Aaron
I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots of
photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into a page
on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to
launch her Sunday.
Michael Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:42 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
to be a great little boat. It's pretty stable and fast. I made a snap-
on skirt that keeps the water from the paddle off of my legs. Aaron
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I would love to see a picture of your Pirogue and skirt. I've taken lots of
photos of the construction of my Pirogue and will organize them into a page
on my website, soon. The paint is curing on my boat as I type. I expect to
launch her Sunday.
Michael Galvin
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
nordski62
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 1:42 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: seizing rope onto double paddle for Payson Pirogue
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe(deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind."Michael, I just finished the Payson Pirogue as well and have found it
to be a great little boat. It's pretty stable and fast. I made a snap-
on skirt that keeps the water from the paddle off of my legs. Aaron
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On Friday, September 5, 2008, at 02:03 PM, Chris wrote:
of overlap in the material presented, but _The Marlinspike Sailor_ came
first, published by the Rudder in 1949. _The Arts of the Sailor_ came
next, published by Van Nostrand in 1953.
TMS is larger format and very skill and/or project oriented. TAotS is
more narrative, sort of a text book of traditional ways. Both are
worth having and are available in reprint editions.
Bob
> You might also look for aJust to clarify, but those are not the same book. There is a good deal
> copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
> It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
of overlap in the material presented, but _The Marlinspike Sailor_ came
first, published by the Rudder in 1949. _The Arts of the Sailor_ came
next, published by Van Nostrand in 1953.
TMS is larger format and very skill and/or project oriented. TAotS is
more narrative, sort of a text book of traditional ways. Both are
worth having and are available in reprint editions.
Bob
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe(deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind."Michael, I just finished the Payson Pirogue as well and have found it
to be a great little boat. It's pretty stable and fast. I made a snap-
on skirt that keeps the water from the paddle off of my legs. Aaron
In my book, whipping (which hides the knot inside the string) is the
neatest way to wrap a pole with string.
http://www.inquiry.net/images/whip.jpg
neatest way to wrap a pole with string.
http://www.inquiry.net/images/whip.jpg
Hi Michael,
all without knots. I glued the starting ends of the leathers to the
oar, wrapped away, then glued the other end. For the buttons, which
are probably closer to the drip rings on a double paddle, I used a
hot knife to cut both ends of a piece of rope and quickly stuck the
two ends together while they were still hot. Then I slipped the ring
down the oar handle and epoxied it in place. I then brushed all the
rope with epoxy, down in the "valleys" between the wrappings and
such. This process is described in Payson's book "Build the New
Instant Boats" in the chapter on Gypsy.
The oars are backup for a motorboat, and I've only used them once to
sneek up to a fishing spot, so I can't comment on longevity. Rubber
drip rings for double paddles are available online, assuming your
paddle comes apart to get them on the shaft.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe(deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair ofdouble
> paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope onthe ends
> of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "dripseizing" rope
> onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.make it
>
> Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to
> look neat? It reminds of building structures in BoyScout "pioneering" in
> which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join themtogether. I
> think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with aclove
> hitch.this is
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how
> done?I used rope to make leathers and buttons on set of oars a while back,
all without knots. I glued the starting ends of the leathers to the
oar, wrapped away, then glued the other end. For the buttons, which
are probably closer to the drip rings on a double paddle, I used a
hot knife to cut both ends of a piece of rope and quickly stuck the
two ends together while they were still hot. Then I slipped the ring
down the oar handle and epoxied it in place. I then brushed all the
rope with epoxy, down in the "valleys" between the wrappings and
such. This process is described in Payson's book "Build the New
Instant Boats" in the chapter on Gypsy.
The oars are backup for a motorboat, and I've only used them once to
sneek up to a fishing spot, so I can't comment on longevity. Rubber
drip rings for double paddles are available online, assuming your
paddle comes apart to get them on the shaft.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Found a link for french hitching:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.html
Michael Galvin wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/clovehitch.html
Michael Galvin wrote:
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe (deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
> paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
> of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
> onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
>
> Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
> look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
> which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together. I
> think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clove
> hitch.
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
> done?
>
>
>
> Michael Galvin
>
> mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
>
> Muskegon, MI
>
>
>
>
>
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Michael,
I would use a turks head on each end and a french hitch in between.
Turks head is here:
http://www.troop54.com/knots/TurksHeadKnot/TurksHeadKnot.htmFrench
hitching is simply consecutive half hitches. You might also look for a
copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
I would use a turks head on each end and a french hitch in between.
Turks head is here:
http://www.troop54.com/knots/TurksHeadKnot/TurksHeadKnot.htmFrench
hitching is simply consecutive half hitches. You might also look for a
copy of a book by Harvey Garrett Smith titled Marlinspike Seamanship.
It was also published under the title The Arts of the Sailor.
V/R
Chris
Michael Galvin wrote:
> I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe (deckless
> kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
> paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
> of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
> onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
>
> Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
> look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
> which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together. I
> think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clove
> hitch.
>
> Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
> done?
>
>
>
> Michael Galvin
>
> mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
>
> Muskegon, MI
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
>
>
I just finished building a Payson Pirogue, a double-paddle canoe (deckless
kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together. I
think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clove
hitch.
Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
done?
Michael Galvin
mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
Muskegon, MI
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kayak), described in "Boats with an Open Mind." I built a pair of double
paddles according to Bolger's plan. He calls for wrapping rope on the ends
of the handle, near the paddles. He describes this as "drip seizing" rope
onto the handle. He sketches a nice, neat wrap.
Can anyone suggest how this is done? What sort of knot is used to make it
look neat? It reminds of building structures in Boy Scout "pioneering" in
which we "wrapped and frapped" cordage around logs to join them together. I
think we started the wrap with a clove hitch, and ended it with a clove
hitch.
Anyone got a better idea? Can you point me to a diagram of how this is
done?
Michael Galvin
mgalvin.com/boatbuilding
Muskegon, MI
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