Re: [bolger] Re: Rubens Nymph, brads?
Well that didn't work perfectly
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
then
6075 Sunset St Juneau AK
then street views
Shoulda test drove first.
Harry James wrote:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
then
6075 Sunset St Juneau AK
then street views
Shoulda test drove first.
Harry James wrote:
> I am not sure how much detail to put into this, I guess all the way will[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> work.. I first met Fritz while I was building my house.
>
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Rollover/HouseOfJames.jpg
>
> He wandered in while I was doing some task in the shop, there was
> nothing but Tyvek on the outside walls no windows no doors, the roof was
> on. He introduced himself and I was marginally polite as I don't multi
> task well and I was deep into the biggest thing I had ever done. He
> lives two doors down but this is on the edge of wilderness.
>
>http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
>
> He said something about it was a nice garage and I replied in my most
> emphatic voice "its not a garage it is a shop". And he said "what kind
> of shop ". And I said "" a boat shop". Fritz is an engaging man, not
> somebody you blow by easily and he focused a little more intently and
> said " what kind of boats" , and I said " well I like Bolger Boats"
> thinking that would leave him with no response from lack of knowledge
> and he would leave me alone. So help me he wriggled like a puppy I had
> to stop what ever it was I was doing and keep throwing the ball, as we
> explored each others knowledge on the subject. Obviously we became
> friends and we have collaborated on many projects, not all boats,
> since. The two most out standing is his Sneakeasy which my only input
> is as an awestruck admirer of what an incredible boat this is. You have
> to ride in one to become a true believer.
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/Sneakeasy.htm
>
> and the other is the Klondike project when he called up those who might
> be interested and said that a film company wanted a boat. One month
> later we delivered.
>
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
>
> He is now a retired Fish and Game Biologist/Statistician. We both build
> our own computers and he had his own server bank until the landslide
> that took out the hydro power line to Juneau this spring. With the 5X
> increase in electricity costs his response was to move all his web pages
> out of the house to a web page provider, while shutting down his servers
> and I think if you go to
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
>
> he writes all the code for his web pages and I believe that he has all
> the links hot from this web page, if not, email him and he will get it
> fixed.
>
> Hopefully this glowing report will make him embarrassed and he will
> finally include all the adventures of the Sneakeasy in Wisconsin, where
> the discovery that the ducktails act like a tunnel drive and it out
> performs Johns boats will be reveled. Not to mention 200 miles on a 12
> Gal tank
>
> Funny to look at the pages and see "Joe" who is now 6'1' (or more) and
> definitely a look up when he comes by.
>
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/JoeDrill.jpg
>
> Unmodified Web pages are static, life isn't.
>
> HJ
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/StormPetrel/construction_photos.html
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for the updated link to that Storm Petrel, Harry.
>>
>> Is Fritz's main boats page going to migrate too, do you know? (he has
>> some good stuff there IMHO
>>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm)
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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I am not sure how much detail to put into this, I guess all the way will
work.. I first met Fritz while I was building my house.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Rollover/HouseOfJames.jpg
He wandered in while I was doing some task in the shop, there was
nothing but Tyvek on the outside walls no windows no doors, the roof was
on. He introduced himself and I was marginally polite as I don't multi
task well and I was deep into the biggest thing I had ever done. He
lives two doors down but this is on the edge of wilderness.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
He said something about it was a nice garage and I replied in my most
emphatic voice "its not a garage it is a shop". And he said "what kind
of shop ". And I said "" a boat shop". Fritz is an engaging man, not
somebody you blow by easily and he focused a little more intently and
said " what kind of boats" , and I said " well I like Bolger Boats"
thinking that would leave him with no response from lack of knowledge
and he would leave me alone. So help me he wriggled like a puppy I had
to stop what ever it was I was doing and keep throwing the ball, as we
explored each others knowledge on the subject. Obviously we became
friends and we have collaborated on many projects, not all boats,
since. The two most out standing is his Sneakeasy which my only input
is as an awestruck admirer of what an incredible boat this is. You have
to ride in one to become a true believer.
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/Sneakeasy.htm
and the other is the Klondike project when he called up those who might
be interested and said that a film company wanted a boat. One month
later we delivered.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
He is now a retired Fish and Game Biologist/Statistician. We both build
our own computers and he had his own server bank until the landslide
that took out the hydro power line to Juneau this spring. With the 5X
increase in electricity costs his response was to move all his web pages
out of the house to a web page provider, while shutting down his servers
and I think if you go to
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
he writes all the code for his web pages and I believe that he has all
the links hot from this web page, if not, email him and he will get it
fixed.
Hopefully this glowing report will make him embarrassed and he will
finally include all the adventures of the Sneakeasy in Wisconsin, where
the discovery that the ducktails act like a tunnel drive and it out
performs Johns boats will be reveled. Not to mention 200 miles on a 12
Gal tank
Funny to look at the pages and see "Joe" who is now 6'1' (or more) and
definitely a look up when he comes by.
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/JoeDrill.jpg
Unmodified Web pages are static, life isn't.
HJ
work.. I first met Fritz while I was building my house.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Rollover/HouseOfJames.jpg
He wandered in while I was doing some task in the shop, there was
nothing but Tyvek on the outside walls no windows no doors, the roof was
on. He introduced himself and I was marginally polite as I don't multi
task well and I was deep into the biggest thing I had ever done. He
lives two doors down but this is on the edge of wilderness.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
He said something about it was a nice garage and I replied in my most
emphatic voice "its not a garage it is a shop". And he said "what kind
of shop ". And I said "" a boat shop". Fritz is an engaging man, not
somebody you blow by easily and he focused a little more intently and
said " what kind of boats" , and I said " well I like Bolger Boats"
thinking that would leave him with no response from lack of knowledge
and he would leave me alone. So help me he wriggled like a puppy I had
to stop what ever it was I was doing and keep throwing the ball, as we
explored each others knowledge on the subject. Obviously we became
friends and we have collaborated on many projects, not all boats,
since. The two most out standing is his Sneakeasy which my only input
is as an awestruck admirer of what an incredible boat this is. You have
to ride in one to become a true believer.
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/Sneakeasy.htm
and the other is the Klondike project when he called up those who might
be interested and said that a film company wanted a boat. One month
later we delivered.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
He is now a retired Fish and Game Biologist/Statistician. We both build
our own computers and he had his own server bank until the landslide
that took out the hydro power line to Juneau this spring. With the 5X
increase in electricity costs his response was to move all his web pages
out of the house to a web page provider, while shutting down his servers
and I think if you go to
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
he writes all the code for his web pages and I believe that he has all
the links hot from this web page, if not, email him and he will get it
fixed.
Hopefully this glowing report will make him embarrassed and he will
finally include all the adventures of the Sneakeasy in Wisconsin, where
the discovery that the ducktails act like a tunnel drive and it out
performs Johns boats will be reveled. Not to mention 200 miles on a 12
Gal tank
Funny to look at the pages and see "Joe" who is now 6'1' (or more) and
definitely a look up when he comes by.
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Sneakeasy/JoeDrill.jpg
Unmodified Web pages are static, life isn't.
HJ
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>>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/StormPetrel/construction_photos.html
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the updated link to that Storm Petrel, Harry.
>
> Is Fritz's main boats page going to migrate too, do you know? (he has
> some good stuff there IMHO
>http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm)
>
> Graeme
>
>
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
Is Fritz's main boats page going to migrate too, do you know? (he has
some good stuff there IMHO
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm)
Graeme
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/StormPetrel/construction_photos.htmlThanks for the updated link to that Storm Petrel, Harry.
Is Fritz's main boats page going to migrate too, do you know? (he has
some good stuff there IMHO
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm)
Graeme
I can't speak for the brads, but we built a reproduction of a viking faering and used cut nails for the rivets. Big heads, roves on the inside where it was peened over. About the cheapest type of carbon steel you can buy. We painted her with an undercoat of Kilz and a couple of finish coats of barn paint. That's been between two and three years ago. When not in the water she is stored outside. No rust break-thru with the nails yet, except where the paint has been scraped off accidently.
Mike
Life is like sailing -- you can steer a course, but sometimes, in the end, you have to go where the strongest wind takes you.
Mike
Life is like sailing -- you can steer a course, but sometimes, in the end, you have to go where the strongest wind takes you.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...> wrote:
From: Kenneth Grome <bagacayboatworks@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Rubens Nymph, brads?
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 11:56 PM
> If it's all sealed with epoxy and paint, could rust
> develop and leech through the surface?
Yes it could, but given the likelihood of your never leaving
the boat in the water for more than a few hours (and
storing it in a big dry barn when you're not using it) it
probably won't happen in your lifetime, especially if you
really bury them deeply and fill the depressions with
epoxy.
> I haven't seen any non ferrous air gun
> brad/staple options
Neither have I, and in fact I've been asking Chinese
manufacturers to make some for me for years. They always
say they will, but they never do.
Some guy in India claims he already has narrow crown copper
air staples for sale. He also says he uses them when
building his own boats so he knows exactly what I need.
Yet after I offered to buy a big load of them from him I
never heard from him again -- so there's another dead end
for you (and me).
Some company in the USA makes 'Raptor' plastic air nails or
staples, but they cost a LOT and so do the special air guns
you need to use them, so this doesn't make sense for
anything but a high end production shop. I doubt their
ability to penetrate hard woods too, but maybe they do.
My shop's not high end nor do I have enough production for
the Raptor solution anyways, so I just use the cheapest
mild steel staples I can find, then I remove them before
finishing the boat. Usually I just staple through a scrap
piece of 1/4 inch plywood which gives me something to pull
on or pry against when it's time to pull the staples.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
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A technique I use when I want temporary clamping but don't want the
larger holes of using removable drywall screws is stapling with my
T-50 stapler. I use steel staples but I save some of the plastic
bands that come wrapped around large boxes for shipping to help
remove the staples. I staple through the plastic and move along the
line of the longeron or frame. When the glue has cured I pull up the
plastic strip and pull all the staples out. I warm the area and coat
the holes with thin epoxy and as the wood cools it sucks the epoxy
into the staple holes.
Mark
larger holes of using removable drywall screws is stapling with my
T-50 stapler. I use steel staples but I save some of the plastic
bands that come wrapped around large boxes for shipping to help
remove the staples. I staple through the plastic and move along the
line of the longeron or frame. When the glue has cured I pull up the
plastic strip and pull all the staples out. I warm the area and coat
the holes with thin epoxy and as the wood cools it sucks the epoxy
into the staple holes.
Mark
On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:47 PM, urbanrocket wrote:
> I'm happy to say I've just started a Rubens Nymph. The goal is it's
> the practice boat before
> starting the Black Skimmer. Now that it's printed in public I have
> to finish them both!
>
> Small question - I was thinking of using a pneumatic nailer with
> small brads to tack the
> frames to the sides until epoxy-ing. I know everyone has their own
> technique for tacking a
> boat together (and this is really overkill on a Nymph-but it's
> practice). Is there any down side
> to leaving some brads in the wood? If it's all sealed with epoxy
> and paint, could rust develop
> and leech through the surface? I haven't seen any non ferrous air
> gun brad/staple options, but I prefer the one handed ease of using
> the air gun.
>
> I welcome anyone's thoughts regarding this.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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For stainless air nails this is a good place-they stock nails for
every brand nailer I've ever heard of.
http://www.stainless-nails-brads-staples.com/
Lots of people stock monel staples for Arrow T50 and air staplers.
Some folks prefer the monel because even the 316 SS fasteners will
rust a little in the crevices if they get wet. Still, the SS brads
will be way better than regular brads.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "urbanrocket" <williambennie@...>
wrote:
the air gun.
every brand nailer I've ever heard of.
http://www.stainless-nails-brads-staples.com/
Lots of people stock monel staples for Arrow T50 and air staplers.
Some folks prefer the monel because even the 316 SS fasteners will
rust a little in the crevices if they get wet. Still, the SS brads
will be way better than regular brads.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "urbanrocket" <williambennie@...>
wrote:
>the practice boat before
> I'm happy to say I've just started a Rubens Nymph. The goal is it's
> starting the Black Skimmer. Now that it's printed in public I haveto finish them both!
>small brads to tack the
> Small question - I was thinking of using a pneumatic nailer with
> frames to the sides until epoxy-ing. I know everyone has their owntechnique for tacking a
> boat together (and this is really overkill on a Nymph-but it'spractice). Is there any down side
> to leaving some brads in the wood? If it's all sealed with epoxyand paint, could rust develop
> and leech through the surface? I haven't seen any non ferrous airgun brad/staple options, but I prefer the one handed ease of using
the air gun.
>
> I welcome anyone's thoughts regarding this.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
I have the two small Porter Cable nailers the 150 stapler and the 200 18
gauge nailer. I use the Stapler with 1/4 in narrow crown Stainless
staples. For my small Instant Boat dinghy's I just use that and PL
Premium. My neighbor Firtiz Funk used the 18 gauge nailer with Stainless
nails on a project with one of the Middle school students. I believe
there is a picture midway down the page.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/StormPetrel/construction_photos.html
HJ
urbanrocket wrote:
gauge nailer. I use the Stapler with 1/4 in narrow crown Stainless
staples. For my small Instant Boat dinghy's I just use that and PL
Premium. My neighbor Firtiz Funk used the 18 gauge nailer with Stainless
nails on a project with one of the Middle school students. I believe
there is a picture midway down the page.
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/StormPetrel/construction_photos.html
HJ
urbanrocket wrote:
> I'm happy to say I've just started a Rubens Nymph. The goal is it's the practice boat before
> starting the Black Skimmer. Now that it's printed in public I have to finish them both!
>
> Small question - I was thinking of using a pneumatic nailer with small brads to tack the
> frames to the sides until epoxy-ing. I know everyone has their own technique for tacking a
> boat together (and this is really overkill on a Nymph-but it's practice). Is there any down side
> to leaving some brads in the wood? If it's all sealed with epoxy and paint, could rust develop
> and leech through the surface? I haven't seen any non ferrous air gun brad/staple options, but I prefer the one handed ease of using the air gun.
>
> I welcome anyone's thoughts regarding this.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
>
> If it's all sealed with epoxy and paint, could rustYes it could, but given the likelihood of your never leaving
> develop and leech through the surface?
the boat in the water for more than a few hours (and
storing it in a big dry barn when you're not using it) it
probably won't happen in your lifetime, especially if you
really bury them deeply and fill the depressions with
epoxy.
> I haven't seen any non ferrous air gunNeither have I, and in fact I've been asking Chinese
> brad/staple options
manufacturers to make some for me for years. They always
say they will, but they never do.
Some guy in India claims he already has narrow crown copper
air staples for sale. He also says he uses them when
building his own boats so he knows exactly what I need.
Yet after I offered to buy a big load of them from him I
never heard from him again -- so there's another dead end
for you (and me).
Some company in the USA makes 'Raptor' plastic air nails or
staples, but they cost a LOT and so do the special air guns
you need to use them, so this doesn't make sense for
anything but a high end production shop. I doubt their
ability to penetrate hard woods too, but maybe they do.
My shop's not high end nor do I have enough production for
the Raptor solution anyways, so I just use the cheapest
mild steel staples I can find, then I remove them before
finishing the boat. Usually I just staple through a scrap
piece of 1/4 inch plywood which gives me something to pull
on or pry against when it's time to pull the staples.
Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
I'm happy to say I've just started a Rubens Nymph. The goal is it's the practice boat before
starting the Black Skimmer. Now that it's printed in public I have to finish them both!
Small question - I was thinking of using a pneumatic nailer with small brads to tack the
frames to the sides until epoxy-ing. I know everyone has their own technique for tacking a
boat together (and this is really overkill on a Nymph-but it's practice). Is there any down side
to leaving some brads in the wood? If it's all sealed with epoxy and paint, could rust develop
and leech through the surface? I haven't seen any non ferrous air gun brad/staple options, but I prefer the one handed ease of using the air gun.
I welcome anyone's thoughts regarding this.
Thanks,
Bill
starting the Black Skimmer. Now that it's printed in public I have to finish them both!
Small question - I was thinking of using a pneumatic nailer with small brads to tack the
frames to the sides until epoxy-ing. I know everyone has their own technique for tacking a
boat together (and this is really overkill on a Nymph-but it's practice). Is there any down side
to leaving some brads in the wood? If it's all sealed with epoxy and paint, could rust develop
and leech through the surface? I haven't seen any non ferrous air gun brad/staple options, but I prefer the one handed ease of using the air gun.
I welcome anyone's thoughts regarding this.
Thanks,
Bill