Re: Boat Decision
Jhon Gardners "Dory Book" Alpha Dory, Phill Bolgers cat boat Mouser
or a Chebacco mabey with an open cockpit
Dan
http://dansdories.googlepages.com
or a Chebacco mabey with an open cockpit
Dan
http://dansdories.googlepages.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "paulthober" <paulthober@...> wrote:
>
> Iain Oughtred's Caledonia yawl sounds like just what you need:
>
>http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-103
>
> If you see one of these in real life it is huge - plenty of room for
> your whole tribe.
>
> Paul
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@> wrote:
> >
> > I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> > late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours
on
> > the weekend I would like some ideas.
> >
> > I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> > before.
> >
> > Here are the criteria and intended use:
> >
> > 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> > 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock
River
> > 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> > 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> > 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> > 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least
12"
> > of freeboard.
> > 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> > 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> > 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> > 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> > 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> > good rot resistant lumber
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
There is one thing about dories which I have never seen pointed out.
Because they are pointy at both ends, they lose a tremendous amount of
space as compared with something like a square sterned skiff. Crew is
pushed more to the middle. I sometimes wish that my dories had more
room at the ends, but am not willing to trade the seaworthiness for space.
Tenderness is not equal in all dory forms and can range from dangerous
to not detectable, depending on type, beam (sheer and bottom), etc. In
my fleet of four dories I have examples of both.
Calm Seas & A Prosperous Voyage
Malcolm
M. Walsh wrote:
Because they are pointy at both ends, they lose a tremendous amount of
space as compared with something like a square sterned skiff. Crew is
pushed more to the middle. I sometimes wish that my dories had more
room at the ends, but am not willing to trade the seaworthiness for space.
Tenderness is not equal in all dory forms and can range from dangerous
to not detectable, depending on type, beam (sheer and bottom), etc. In
my fleet of four dories I have examples of both.
Calm Seas & A Prosperous Voyage
Malcolm
M. Walsh wrote:
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> No it doesn't. Since this is one of the largest boat building forums
> online, I posted here and at John Welsford's yahoo group too.
>
> I was originally thinking of a larger Banks dory, but am shying away
> from it because of some handling and initial stability issues pointed
> out to me at the woodenboat forum.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "a&a
> julian" <aaar@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does it have to be a Bolger?
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hard to get done in one winter.
HJ
paulthober wrote:
HJ
paulthober wrote:
> Iain Oughtred's Caledonia yawl sounds like just what you need:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-103
>
> If you see one of these in real life it is huge - plenty of room for
> your whole tribe.
>
> Paul
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...> wrote:
>
>> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
>> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
>> the weekend I would like some ideas.
>>
>> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
>> before.
>>
>> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>>
>> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
>> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
>> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
>> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
>> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
>> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
>> of freeboard.
>> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
>> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
>> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
>> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
>> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
>> good rot resistant lumber
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>
Iain Oughtred's Caledonia yawl sounds like just what you need:
http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-103
If you see one of these in real life it is huge - plenty of room for
your whole tribe.
Paul
http://www.woodenboatstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=400-103
If you see one of these in real life it is huge - plenty of room for
your whole tribe.
Paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...> wrote:
>
> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
/I REALLY like this idea./ Everyone gets a string to pull, instead of
shortening sail when you don't have enough ballast, you just shorten
boat! You can even accommodate a wet dog.
Patrick
/
/djdecker2002 wrote:
shortening sail when you don't have enough ballast, you just shorten
boat! You can even accommodate a wet dog.
Patrick
/
/djdecker2002 wrote:
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
>> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
>> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
>> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
>> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
>> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
>> of freeboard.
>> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
>> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
>> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
>> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
>> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
>> good rot resistant lumber
>>
>
> A suggestion from the "So crazy it just might work" bin:
>
> 3 Bricks, 2 Grouts
>
> Gives you a 3 masted open scow schooner with a plethora of
> configuration options for different outings - plus, the older boys can
> race the individual bricks once you hit a picnic site.
>
> The fact that you'd be building multiple units would let you use
> assembly line techniques to shorten build time. Plus Brick and Grout
> are pretty easy builds.
>
> Could be a lot of fun!
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...> wrote:
3 Bricks, 2 Grouts
Gives you a 3 masted open scow schooner with a plethora of
configuration options for different outings - plus, the older boys can
race the individual bricks once you hit a picnic site.
The fact that you'd be building multiple units would let you use
assembly line techniques to shorten build time. Plus Brick and Grout
are pretty easy builds.
Could be a lot of fun!
-Derek
><snip>
> I want to build a boat
>A suggestion from the "So crazy it just might work" bin:
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
3 Bricks, 2 Grouts
Gives you a 3 masted open scow schooner with a plethora of
configuration options for different outings - plus, the older boys can
race the individual bricks once you hit a picnic site.
The fact that you'd be building multiple units would let you use
assembly line techniques to shorten build time. Plus Brick and Grout
are pretty easy builds.
Could be a lot of fun!
-Derek
Ok...
Your build time-frame severely restricts your choices...
Light Schooner would be good for the space offered but as more than one
builder has commented, they are for sheltered waters - not for places with
"sea" or "ocean" in the name, & be wary of places with "gulf", "bay" or
"lake". Perhaps rigged with less sail it would be suitable.
otherwise...
Michael Storer's Goat Island Skiff ticks most of the boxes - simple, roomy &
quick.
Radoslaw Werzsko's 4M & 4.2M dinghies do too, but I've no idea how they
sail.
B&B Boats' Core Sound 15 & 17 leave almost no box un-ticked except that you
would be hard-pressed to build one in your time-frame..
cheers
Your build time-frame severely restricts your choices...
Light Schooner would be good for the space offered but as more than one
builder has commented, they are for sheltered waters - not for places with
"sea" or "ocean" in the name, & be wary of places with "gulf", "bay" or
"lake". Perhaps rigged with less sail it would be suitable.
otherwise...
Michael Storer's Goat Island Skiff ticks most of the boxes - simple, roomy &
quick.
Radoslaw Werzsko's 4M & 4.2M dinghies do too, but I've no idea how they
sail.
B&B Boats' Core Sound 15 & 17 leave almost no box un-ticked except that you
would be hard-pressed to build one in your time-frame..
cheers
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...>
> No it doesn't. Since this is one of the largest boat building forums
> online, I posted here and at John Welsford's yahoo group too.
>
> I was originally thinking of a larger Banks dory, but am shying away
> from it because of some handling and initial stability issues pointed
> out to me at the woodenboat forum.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "a&a julian" <aaar@...> wrote:
>>
>> Does it have to be a Bolger?
>>
>>
>>
>
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Mike,
Have you looked at this design?
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/JamesSamuel.html
Aaron
Have you looked at this design?
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/JamesSamuel.html
Aaron
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...> wrote:
>
> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend. I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
No it doesn't. Since this is one of the largest boat building forums
online, I posted here and at John Welsford's yahoo group too.
I was originally thinking of a larger Banks dory, but am shying away
from it because of some handling and initial stability issues pointed
out to me at the woodenboat forum.
online, I posted here and at John Welsford's yahoo group too.
I was originally thinking of a larger Banks dory, but am shying away
from it because of some handling and initial stability issues pointed
out to me at the woodenboat forum.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "a&a julian" <aaar@...> wrote:
>
> Does it have to be a Bolger?
>
>
>
You might contemplate the Atkin James Samuel Jr. catboat. It's really
a sailing skiff of huge capacity. I don't know how the budget would be.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/JamesSamuelJr.html
a sailing skiff of huge capacity. I don't know how the budget would be.
http://www.boat-links.com/Atkinco/Sail/JamesSamuelJr.html
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
big enough for five people.
> It is going to take at least 20' of boat for that crowd. Not to many inInitially I was thinking of an Old Shoe, but I think it would not be
> that size range that are Instant boats not stitch and glue.
big enough for five people.
Does it have to be a Bolger?
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...>
>I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend. I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
>
Mike,
that's a fairly large crew, and no small open boat of PB&F's springs
to mind that would comfortably have the capacity and meet all
criteria. Birdwatcher#1 would really suit, but it's not likely within
the budget. Looking at the way boys might like to have their own
boat, why not build two small skiffs? - one could tow the other under
power if necessary - one could be easily lifted by yourself and the
older boys to trailer on top of the other - there's more chances for
anyone in the family to be a skipper and improve their sailing
skills... should be within budget...
OTOH, PB&F have hundreds of designs we've mostly never seen. Take for
example the Camping Trimaran using some demountable cheap discarded
Hobie16 floats for amas - who knows, it may just suit? And your
degree of skill might suggest something other than a box boat too.
Why not send your criteria to PB&F, and see what the experts suggest?
(If you do, please let's know what the recommendations are.)
Graeme
that's a fairly large crew, and no small open boat of PB&F's springs
to mind that would comfortably have the capacity and meet all
criteria. Birdwatcher#1 would really suit, but it's not likely within
the budget. Looking at the way boys might like to have their own
boat, why not build two small skiffs? - one could tow the other under
power if necessary - one could be easily lifted by yourself and the
older boys to trailer on top of the other - there's more chances for
anyone in the family to be a skipper and improve their sailing
skills... should be within budget...
OTOH, PB&F have hundreds of designs we've mostly never seen. Take for
example the Camping Trimaran using some demountable cheap discarded
Hobie16 floats for amas - who knows, it may just suit? And your
degree of skill might suggest something other than a box boat too.
Why not send your criteria to PB&F, and see what the experts suggest?
(If you do, please let's know what the recommendations are.)
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...> wrote:
>
> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend. I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock
River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
It is going to take at least 20' of boat for that crowd. Not to many in
that size range that are Instant boats not stitch and glue.
In Bolger designs, Zephyr, Single handed Schooner, Folding Schooner and
if your looking for adventure the Light Schooner. There are lots of
older plastics in this size range out there also.
HJ
M. Walsh wrote:
that size range that are Instant boats not stitch and glue.
In Bolger designs, Zephyr, Single handed Schooner, Folding Schooner and
if your looking for adventure the Light Schooner. There are lots of
older plastics in this size range out there also.
HJ
M. Walsh wrote:
> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend. I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
The list sounds like a contest parameters ....
Dennis
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Walsh" <mikewinva@...>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:40 pm
Subject: [bolger] Boat Decision
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
> late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
> the weekend. I would like some ideas.
>
> I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
> before.
>
> Here are the criteria and intended use:
>
> 1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
> 2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
> 3. Used in local resevoirs.
> 4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
> 5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
> 6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
> of freeboard.
> 7. Trailer sailed not moored
> 8. Sturdy but not overweight
> 9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
> 10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
> 11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
> good rot resistant lumber
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I want to build a boat over the coming fall, winter and launch in
late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
the weekend. I would like some ideas.
I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
before.
Here are the criteria and intended use:
1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
3. Used in local resevoirs.
4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
of freeboard.
7. Trailer sailed not moored
8. Sturdy but not overweight
9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
good rot resistant lumber
Thanks
late spring. Time would be an hour a day or so and several hours on
the weekend. I would like some ideas.
I am a fair woodworker and have built a 15' Bolger designed skiff
before.
Here are the criteria and intended use:
1. A boat to sit in and not on (sit on seats not gunwales)
2. Used on the Chesapeake Bay, Potomac River, lower Rapahannock River
3. Used in local resevoirs.
4. Primarily sail with very small outboard if wind dies.
5. Rowing only if wind dies and outboard dies.
6. Will hold 2 adults and 3 boys age 16, 12 and 2 with at least 12"
of freeboard.
7. Trailer sailed not moored
8. Sturdy but not overweight
9. Does not require epoxy and glass sheething
10. Open boat preferred vs. cuddy cabin
11. Budget is $2-2500 in hull material using Sapele or Okoume and
good rot resistant lumber
Thanks