Re: World Cruising & Book Suggestions?

Yep, no doubt about it, this is the book for you. In my last post I
really drove home my belief that there is no substitute for hands on
experience. Could probably make just one exception for this! Because
their philosophy is utterly simple, it is a remarkably easy read that
will put everything in perspective, and quicker than you may imagine.
It makes people question their priorities. Noticed you keep getting
told to read it? That is because it really is that good. It's a MUST!

Andrew


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
>
> Apologies if anyone has previously mentioned it but 'Voyaging on a
small income' by Annie Hill has to be the all time practical
classic.It comes up reasonably frequently on ebay,or you can get it
through Amazon.As a bonus it also includes a reprint of Weston
Martyr's short story 'The £200 millionaire'
> cheers
> andy airey
>
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On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:34 AM, ANDREW AIREY <andyairey@...> wrote:
> Apologies if anyone has previously mentioned it but 'Voyaging on a small
> income' by Annie Hill has to be the all time practical classic.

I have been meaning to speak up too about this book.

It is a "read at your own risk" books for people with desk jobs.
Apologies if anyone has previously mentioned it but 'Voyaging on a small income' by Annie Hill has to be the all time practical classic.It comes up reasonably frequently on ebay,or you can get it through Amazon.As a bonus it also includes a reprint of Weston Martyr's short story 'The £200 millionaire'
cheers
andy airey

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I think they are all out of print now. ³Cruising under sail third edition²
incorporates both books together ISBN 0-19-217599-8. It is a worth while
book to have. The favourite book that I have a copy of is ³Yacht Cruising²
third edition 1926, by Claud Worth, but it is not easy to find.

Stuart.


On 18/10/08 11:11 AM, "David M. Dorn" <dmdornctusa@...> wrote:

> Regarding World Crusing, I think that Eric C. Hiscock's, *Voyaging Under
> Sail,* London, Oxford University Press, 1959 (reprinted 1959 & 1960),
> tells you everything you need to know about the basics. It's
> comparatively short, 274 pages but is the voice of sound experience.
> Also Hiscock's, *Cruising Under Sail*, also Oxford University Press is
> the perfect companion volume.
>
> I think Voyaging is out of print but probably can be found via ABE Books
> or other used sellers. I think the Cruising volume is still in print as
> a paper back.
>
> I have looked a most of the subsequent books on the voyaging topic but
> have not seen them to offer any advantage over Eric's books. After all,
> Eric and Susan Hiscock, set the stage for the boom in post WW II world
> voyaging.
>
> David Dorn
>
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Six Pages of them on Bookfinder.com starting at $4.92.

HJ

David M. Dorn wrote:
> Regarding World Crusing, I think that Eric C. Hiscock's, *Voyaging Under
> Sail,* London, Oxford University Press, 1959 (reprinted 1959 & 1960),
> tells you everything you need to know about the basics. It's
> comparatively short, 274 pages but is the voice of sound experience.
> Also Hiscock's, *Cruising Under Sail*, also Oxford University Press is
> the perfect companion volume.
>
> I think Voyaging is out of print but probably can be found via ABE Books
> or other used sellers. I think the Cruising volume is still in print as
> a paper back.
>
> I have looked a most of the subsequent books on the voyaging topic but
> have not seen them to offer any advantage over Eric's books. After all,
> Eric and Susan Hiscock, set the stage for the boom in post WW II world
> voyaging.
>
> David Dorn
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
Regarding World Crusing, I think that Eric C. Hiscock's, *Voyaging Under
Sail,* London, Oxford University Press, 1959 (reprinted 1959 & 1960),
tells you everything you need to know about the basics. It's
comparatively short, 274 pages but is the voice of sound experience.
Also Hiscock's, *Cruising Under Sail*, also Oxford University Press is
the perfect companion volume.

I think Voyaging is out of print but probably can be found via ABE Books
or other used sellers. I think the Cruising volume is still in print as
a paper back.

I have looked a most of the subsequent books on the voyaging topic but
have not seen them to offer any advantage over Eric's books. After all,
Eric and Susan Hiscock, set the stage for the boom in post WW II world
voyaging.

David Dorn


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At 6'8" I have something of a headroom problem but one can always bend - the important thing is to get your worktop heights right - getting that wrong is what gives you the real backache
cheers
andy airey

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Also, ready everything on Duckworks.com.

It's free. Most of it's very good, and very realistic.
There is an old saying, much beloved by boat builder and designer Pete
Cueller, that "Experience starts when you begin." Mostly the
experience does not include reading, so I second the suggestion that
you get some boat, any boat, and get out on the water.

There is another thought that applies to most any hobby which is that
your first equipment should be cheap so that you can learn what you
like before making a big investment in something top quality.

My observation on your book list is that you have just about
everything covered once. You may want to narrow your focus a little.
For example, Robert Steward's book is excellent, but mostly covers
traditional building methods, e.g. carvel and strip construction.
Chances are that won't apply for you.
Steve, buy or borrow a small car top dinghy or board boat, and get yourself
fired up and familiarized with the basics as you begin to read. Plan on
getting wet, it makes it all real. - Bill



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Steve
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To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: World Cruising & Book Suggestions?



Any other suggestions? I'm still trying to collect a good library and
teach myself how to sail and build a boat ;)

I Have these already
---------------------------------------------
Building Classic Small Craft

The New Cold Mould Boat Building

Instant Boat Building with Dynamite Payson

The Sharpie Book

Devlin's Boat Building - Samuel Devlin

Buehlers Backyard Boat Building - George Buehler

Docks and Destinations with GPS Waypoints

Building Outrigger Sailing Canoes - Gary Dierking

Sailing Fundamentals Gary Jobson

Considering these
-----------------------------------------------
Boats with an Open Mind: Seventy-Five Unconventional Designs and
Concepts by Philip C. Bolger

New Plywood Boats by Thomas Firth Jones

Boat Modeling With Dynamite Payson: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building
Models of Small Craft by Harold "Dynamite" Payson

How to Build Glued Lapstrake Wooden Boats by John Brooks

Clinker Plywood Boatbuilding Manual by Iain Oughtred

Building Small Boats by Greg Rossel

Boatbuilding Manual by Robert M. Steward

The Cruising Life: A Commonsense Guide for the Would-Be Voyager by Jim
Trefethen

Yacht Designs (Tiller Classics) by William Garden

Sailors' Secrets by Mike Badham and Robby Robinson

Spurr's Boatbook by Daniel Spurr

Gloucester on the Wind: America's Greatest Fishing Port in the Days of
Sail (MA) (Images of America) by Joseph E. Garland

Short-handed Sailing by Alastair Buchan

Wooden Boats: From Sculls to Yachts by Joseph Gribbins

Hackercraft by James P. Barry

Boat Modeling With Dynamite Payson: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building
Models of Small Craft by Harold "Dynamite" Payson





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Hi Steve,

> Boats with an Open Mind: Seventy-Five Unconventional Designs and
> Concepts by Philip C. Bolger

An absolute must-own book for anyone interested in boat design.

> New Plywood Boats by Thomas Firth Jones

I was disappointed by this one. Mostly stories and not much hard
design detail that I was looking for.

> Clinker Plywood Boatbuilding Manual by Iain Oughtred

Excellent book on this subject. Some outstanding craftsmanship is
demonstrated, and if you're ever going to build a boat using this
technique, you'll reference this book repeatedly.

> Yacht Designs (Tiller Classics) by William Garden

Expensive, but a fine addition to any library of boat designs. I
still want to build a Tlingit someday. Lots of schooners!

Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Any other suggestions? I'm still trying to collect a good library and
teach myself how to sail and build a boat ;)


I Have these already
---------------------------------------------
Building Classic Small Craft

The New Cold Mould Boat Building

Instant Boat Building with Dynamite Payson

The Sharpie Book

Devlin's Boat Building - Samuel Devlin

Buehlers Backyard Boat Building - George Buehler

Docks and Destinations with GPS Waypoints

Building Outrigger Sailing Canoes - Gary Dierking

Sailing Fundamentals Gary Jobson


Considering these
-----------------------------------------------
Boats with an Open Mind: Seventy-Five Unconventional Designs and
Concepts by Philip C. Bolger

New Plywood Boats by Thomas Firth Jones

Boat Modeling With Dynamite Payson: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building
Models of Small Craft by Harold "Dynamite" Payson

How to Build Glued Lapstrake Wooden Boats by John Brooks

Clinker Plywood Boatbuilding Manual by Iain Oughtred

Building Small Boats by Greg Rossel

Boatbuilding Manual by Robert M. Steward

The Cruising Life: A Commonsense Guide for the Would-Be Voyager by Jim
Trefethen

Yacht Designs (Tiller Classics) by William Garden

Sailors' Secrets by Mike Badham and Robby Robinson

Spurr's Boatbook by Daniel Spurr

Gloucester on the Wind: America's Greatest Fishing Port in the Days of
Sail (MA) (Images of America) by Joseph E. Garland

Short-handed Sailing by Alastair Buchan

Wooden Boats: From Sculls to Yachts by Joseph Gribbins

Hackercraft by James P. Barry

Boat Modeling With Dynamite Payson: A Step-by-Step Guide to Building
Models of Small Craft by Harold "Dynamite" Payson
Good advise....I know I was dreaming for now and mind you I was asked
for a wish list...

I'll just stick to a MICRO and do some cruising around Sydney for a
few years...

I will always keep an eye out for a good passagemaker...gotta think
of the future, I'll retire 12 years before the better half, so I
gotta have something to do.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "theneandythalman01"
<theneandythalman01@...> wrote:
>
> Years ago I got an inflatable dinghy with an outboard to spearfish
> out of. It all made sense and it was going to use it all the time.
> The reality is that I began line fishing out of it, and never
> spearfished out of it. In hindsight I laugh myself silly at just
how
> many holes there were in my stupid THEORY. I also shake my head at
> many others who persist with my old theory. First of all I'd always
> need another person and often they back out at the last moment.
Then
> there is fuel and boat ramp fees, and I'd also have to cross a bar
> and travel a long way along the coast only to anchor close to the
> beach anyway (coz realistically nearly all the action happens in
less
> than 15 feet of water anyway). Then there is registration,
> maintenance, insurance and the fear of theft…. (And I'm holding
back
> from giving many more examples)
>
> Around here everyone seems to chase crayfish (lobster) and the
> reality is that few people actually take more than me. I drive/ride
> to a car park, take a short walk to the beach and dive with a
> snorkel. Because my equipment is basic/light I don't get too tired.
> Because I don't get tired I can go the next day. Because I go day
> after day my breath-holds are good and my routine is very
efficient.
> In a nutshell my effort it spent IN the water. My original theory
was
> hilarious!
>
> I don't know how much experience you have in diving or sailing but
> unless you have serious call for tanks/hooker (eg wreck diving) the
> snorkel will give you a lot of extra room/money/peace-of-mind
aboard
> and really should not be overlooked. I could list all the "real
> world" advantages that I have found snorkel has over (eg) scuba…
but
> I wont. I will say however that if you can justify taking up that
> much space you'd need to use it a lot and if you are in the water
> that much don't underestimate your own ability to hold your breath
> for a really long time. It's not that hard!
>
> I think about things and go of with this idea or that idea for a
> while. But if I stop constantly thinking about it and come back
with
> a clear mind, small and primitive seems to be the go. I
> say "simplicity creates happy content people"
>
> I am heavily invested and will have sufficient income to support
> myself as a permanent live-aboard in a few years. I have a lot of
> experience sailing dinghies as a kid and now own a 19ft Seabita
> trailer sailer. I was going to get a Hartley TS16 and see what I
> actually do in it but the Seabita came up cheap so that is what I
> grabbed. At the time I purchased I could hardly spell and had never
> used the internet, so I had NO IDEA what my options were, let alone
> heard of Mr Bolger. I did not expect to get it right first go. I'm
> slooowly working on her and am yet to have her on the water but
think
> she is defiantly not my ideal boat. I think a Junk Rigged AS29 (or
> pppossibly an AS39 but that seems way too big) sound good at "this
> moment" but that is all armchair stuff. I will get my Seabita on
the
> water and use her and use her and use her. I am also eager to
see/USE
> as many different boats as possible (if anyone around Victoria
> Australia wants to show me a shallow draft boat please get in
touch)
> and I suggest that starting on this site you hassle as many people
as
> you can for some the same reason.
>
> I did not perceive anyone being a smartarse and particularly not
Bob.
> Your wish list is all over the place because even experienced, long-
> term live-aboards struggle with this and then in hindsight they
> regret doing that. It is not easy because everything you change
> affects something else; it's like playing with a Rubik's-cube. So
> unless you have heaps of experience I would be more concerned if
you
> had rigidly fixed ideas. That said your jump from a micro to 45-60
> foot boat was pretty extreme and kinda amusing. The main reason I'm
> amused is because I've done this too! When we like something we
can't
> help thinking about it too much, and too much thinking from
> the "armchair" cause's at least some erratic ideas. When you can
let
> your life evolve according to what you actually DO you will know.
>
> Andrew
>
> let your life evolve according to what you actually DO you will know.
>
> Andrew

This is philosophical. I recommend the book by Annie Hill for more
thoughts along this line.

http://www.tillerbooks.com/Voyaging_On_A_Small_Income.php
Years ago I got an inflatable dinghy with an outboard to spearfish
out of. It all made sense and it was going to use it all the time.
The reality is that I began line fishing out of it, and never
spearfished out of it. In hindsight I laugh myself silly at just how
many holes there were in my stupid THEORY. I also shake my head at
many others who persist with my old theory. First of all I'd always
need another person and often they back out at the last moment. Then
there is fuel and boat ramp fees, and I'd also have to cross a bar
and travel a long way along the coast only to anchor close to the
beach anyway (coz realistically nearly all the action happens in less
than 15 feet of water anyway). Then there is registration,
maintenance, insurance and the fear of theft…. (And I'm holding back
from giving many more examples)

Around here everyone seems to chase crayfish (lobster) and the
reality is that few people actually take more than me. I drive/ride
to a car park, take a short walk to the beach and dive with a
snorkel. Because my equipment is basic/light I don't get too tired.
Because I don't get tired I can go the next day. Because I go day
after day my breath-holds are good and my routine is very efficient.
In a nutshell my effort it spent IN the water. My original theory was
hilarious!

I don't know how much experience you have in diving or sailing but
unless you have serious call for tanks/hooker (eg wreck diving) the
snorkel will give you a lot of extra room/money/peace-of-mind aboard
and really should not be overlooked. I could list all the "real
world" advantages that I have found snorkel has over (eg) scuba… but
I wont. I will say however that if you can justify taking up that
much space you'd need to use it a lot and if you are in the water
that much don't underestimate your own ability to hold your breath
for a really long time. It's not that hard!

I think about things and go of with this idea or that idea for a
while. But if I stop constantly thinking about it and come back with
a clear mind, small and primitive seems to be the go. I
say "simplicity creates happy content people"

I am heavily invested and will have sufficient income to support
myself as a permanent live-aboard in a few years. I have a lot of
experience sailing dinghies as a kid and now own a 19ft Seabita
trailer sailer. I was going to get a Hartley TS16 and see what I
actually do in it but the Seabita came up cheap so that is what I
grabbed. At the time I purchased I could hardly spell and had never
used the internet, so I had NO IDEA what my options were, let alone
heard of Mr Bolger. I did not expect to get it right first go. I'm
slooowly working on her and am yet to have her on the water but think
she is defiantly not my ideal boat. I think a Junk Rigged AS29 (or
pppossibly an AS39 but that seems way too big) sound good at "this
moment" but that is all armchair stuff. I will get my Seabita on the
water and use her and use her and use her. I am also eager to see/USE
as many different boats as possible (if anyone around Victoria
Australia wants to show me a shallow draft boat please get in touch)
and I suggest that starting on this site you hassle as many people as
you can for some the same reason.

I did not perceive anyone being a smartarse and particularly not Bob.
Your wish list is all over the place because even experienced, long-
term live-aboards struggle with this and then in hindsight they
regret doing that. It is not easy because everything you change
affects something else; it's like playing with a Rubik's-cube. So
unless you have heaps of experience I would be more concerned if you
had rigidly fixed ideas. That said your jump from a micro to 45-60
foot boat was pretty extreme and kinda amusing. The main reason I'm
amused is because I've done this too! When we like something we can't
help thinking about it too much, and too much thinking from
the "armchair" cause's at least some erratic ideas. When you can let
your life evolve according to what you actually DO you will know.

Andrew
This is right. People cross oceans in tiny boats, but even in my 28'
12,000 pound long-keel double ender, it was like a 24-hour
calisthenics session just to stay upright in all but the calmest
weather. I wouldn't want to think about it in a 13' flat bottomed boat.

Self-steering is also a big issue. Heavier, longer boats can often
almost be kept on course by keeping the sails trimmed right, but a
smaller light boat would be a real handful for most wind vanes, I
would expect because it would get tossed around a lot more, and the
vane would have a hard time keeping up with the course changes as the
boat got knocked off course.

Cheers, Brian

Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:

>
> If you have never been offshore in a 16' boat you might want to give it
> a try before committing any money or effort.
>
> The Micro doesn't really have the capacity to carry enough for 3K mile
> legs.
>
> You could get an old Pearson Triton and have it ready to go for under
> 10K for a far more comfortable ride. Its going to cost you at least
that
> to get an offshore Micro Navigator going.
>
> HJ
>
> samang251 wrote:
> > I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> > MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
One of the great literate boat designers of the past, maybe Francis
Herreshoff, wrote that all the things worth doing inside the cabin of a
boat are done sitting or lying down. He wasn't entirely correct -- pulling
up ones pants is the exception. <g> Certainly full standing headroom is
overrated, and attempts to achieve it have spoiled many small boats.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:48:58 -0700, Bruce H wrote:

> ...
>> 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
>
> I had a similar wish, until I experienced being tossed around in rough
> water. There is a certain security that comes with low headroom in
> that it limits how far you can be tossed. And, I found that 99% of
> the time (being seated or sleeping) I didn't need standing headroom.
> ...

--
John <jkohnen@...>
History is a vast early warning system. <Norman Cousins>
It's gonna be slow, and where are you gonna put all the groceries and
water for a long, slow voyage?

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:31:07 -0700, Kenneth G wrote:

> It's pretty small so it's going to be slow,
> ...

--
John <jkohnen@...>
I have no truck with lettuce, cabbage, and similar chlorophyll.
Any dietician will tell you that a running foot of apple strudel
contains four times the vitamins of a bushel of beans. <S. J.
Perelman>
A basic problem with the dream of world sailing is that there is a long
learning curve in mastering seamanship. A number of people have invested
major commitments of time and money to build a dream ship, only to founder
before they got very far. Perhaps it would be better to take up coastal
cruising and build experience on the Everglades Challenge or the Texas 200.




IMHO, a Micro is a suitable boat for coastal cruising. Build one and use it
for its intended purpose. You will, I suspect, find that it is too small,
too crowded, to noisy, and lacking adequate capacity for extended cruising,
but you will definitely learn what a better choice might be.



JohnT



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pvanderwaart
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:35 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: World Cruising



Just by the way, while out for a sail on Saturday we came close aboard
a guy sailing in a fairly close copy of Robert Manry's Tinkerbelle.
It's not just a 13-footer, it's a small 13-footer. I didn't get any
pictures under sail, but I do have a couple of the boat in the marina.

Don't do what Manry did. It wasn't safe then, and it wouldn't be safe now.





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Just by the way, while out for a sail on Saturday we came close aboard
a guy sailing in a fairly close copy of Robert Manry's Tinkerbelle.
It's not just a 13-footer, it's a small 13-footer. I didn't get any
pictures under sail, but I do have a couple of the boat in the marina.

Don't do what Manry did. It wasn't safe then, and it wouldn't be safe now.
> PB&F solve this problem...

"Solve" is a stronger word than I would use. "Tackle" or "Approach"
would be more like it.
> might be a little more challenge. At any rate making water and
> electricity is just one more thing to do in an already busy schedule.

I think that is why PB&F mounted the foot pedals to the helm seat.
You get 'exercise', while making water, while tending helm.
Triple duty use of your time.

Also, I think that in a 20 foot boat there is not enough spare
displacement to carry enough water while making an ocean passage. (I
would worry about the water maker breaking, so carrying a spare water
maker or two would be prudent.)
Boy !! this world cruising thing has taken on a life of its own! Where would one find the HG Hassler design / drawings / cartoon / book ?? /thanks in advance,

Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: pvanderwaart <pvanderwaart@...>
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:22 am
Subject: [bolger] Re: World Cruising
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

> > I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using
> the
> > MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
> In the fiction that Phil Bolger wrote to explain the virtues of the
> Micro, he went out of his way to note a circumstance in which
> the boat
> would have been lost. It being fiction, he could have left it out.
> Clearly he put it in as a warning. The boat has a lot
> capability, but
> it also has serious weaknesses as a blue water cruiser.
>
> To illustrate, compare to a boat of about the same size which really
> was designed for the ocean: John Welsford's Fafnir
> (http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/fafnir/index.htm). It has a
> deeper keel, much better range of stability, and a much more suitable
> rig.
>
> The cat yawl is really a coastal cruising rig.
>
>


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Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > water and supplies. The longer boat will require less supplies and
> > water due to it's incresed speed.
>
> PB&F solve this problem with their short (20ft) single handed ocean
> crosser "HG Hassler" by having the helm seat in gimbles, with foot
> driven stationary bicycle pedals running a water maker and electrical
> generator.
>
>
I have only used a manual water make once many years ago and it was
rough going. I felt like I might had been sweating out more than I was
making. Likely they are better these days. With led lights electricity
is not to hard to keep up with. If a single sideband is aboard and
reports home every few days were to be done keeping the batteries up
might be a little more challenge. At any rate making water and
electicity is just one more thing to do in an already busy schedual. I
never have enough time it seems when single handing. I always tickles
me when someone asks how do you keep from getting bored.

Doug
Doug
> water and supplies. The longer boat will require less supplies and
> water due to it's incresed speed.

PB&F solve this problem with their short (20ft) single handed ocean
crosser "HG Hassler" by having the helm seat in gimbles, with foot
driven stationary bicycle pedals running a water maker and electrical
generator.
pvanderwaart wrote:
>
> > I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> > MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
> In the fiction that Phil Bolger wrote to explain the virtues of the
> Micro, he went out of his way to note a circumstance in which the boat
> would have been lost. It being fiction, he could have left it out.
> Clearly he put it in as a warning. The boat has a lot capability, but
> it also has serious weaknesses as a blue water cruiser.
>
> To illustrate, compare to a boat of about the same size which really
> was designed for the ocean: John Welsford's Fafnir
> (http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/fafnir/index.htm
> <http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/fafnir/index.htm>). It has a
> deeper keel, much better range of stability, and a much more suitable
> rig.
>
> The cat yawl is really a coastal cruising rig.
>
>
I like you really like Fafnir. At age 74 I would still like very
much to build and sail across the atlantic maybe by way of Bermuda then
heading for England. A twenty foot boat would in many ways be better
but the tiny Fafnir is not really so Tiny and has at better than the
carrying capacity of a Micro under deck and has the added advantage of
not having a cocpit to swamp. If you are a fairly ambitious builder
Swaggy or Sundowner would be great boats.
I would say that Fafiners short length is very decieving as far as
size is concerned and every inch of her is utilized and still has a
place to set on deck maybe in a beach chair on nice days. She is a big
boat with short ends.
I would surely not limit my self to any one designer where looking
for a boat to cross and ocean in as there are many and most were
designed for that purpose. I thing the idea of coasting around the
world is especially dangerouse with putting to sea being far safer. If
single handing the wide open ocean is far and away the safest as
sleeping is a real problem when in close to land. You have to sleep and
it is only a matter of time until you wake up pounding on rocks or
beach. If you are not single handing then both fafnir and swagy are too
small and I would go to something like 28 or thirty feet to carry enough
water and supplies. The longer boat will require less supplies and
water due to it's incresed speed.

Doug
> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?

In the fiction that Phil Bolger wrote to explain the virtues of the
Micro, he went out of his way to note a circumstance in which the boat
would have been lost. It being fiction, he could have left it out.
Clearly he put it in as a warning. The boat has a lot capability, but
it also has serious weaknesses as a blue water cruiser.

To illustrate, compare to a boat of about the same size which really
was designed for the ocean: John Welsford's Fafnir
(http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jw/fafnir/index.htm). It has a
deeper keel, much better range of stability, and a much more suitable
rig.

The cat yawl is really a coastal cruising rig.
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:08 PM, samang251 <samang251@...
> <mailto:samang251%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Wish list--
> > 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
>
> Are you prepared to the crewing of such a large boat?
>
> > 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
>
> I had a similar wish, until I experienced being tossed around in rough
> water. There is a certain security that comes with low headroom in
> that it limits how far you can be tossed. And, I found that 99% of
> the time (being seated or sleeping) I didn't need standing headroom.
>
> > 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
>
> You might ask the question of whether you really want a sail boat.
> Running bio-diesel in a sturdy sea-going powerboat is a very tempting
> option. Have you seen the books on this topic by George Buehler
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Troller-Yacht-Book-Powerboaters-Crossing/dp/0393047091/
> <http://www.amazon.com/Troller-Yacht-Book-Powerboaters-Crossing/dp/0393047091/>
>
>
About 40 years ago I went sailing for a week offshore with a friend
on his newly built Hershoff Mark o Polo ketch. I think she was about
60ft, narrow, low aspect rig spread out to about 7o or 8o ft long. She
was the finest offshore boat I ever sailed on and I have done a fair
amount of blue water sailing but of course not a lot as some have.
Annyway I think Bolger designed a somewhat smaller design of somewhat
easier construction. Seems to me he sent me a cartoon back when I built
wolftrap. He knew I had sailed on the Hersholff boat and I guess he just
wanted an opinion by way of comparison. If he every actually designed
the boat I believe I would sure concider her for a long passage. I only
stand about 5'6'' and am not all that heavy build but I would not
hesitate to takea boat 0f that kind to sea. I would feel quite strong
enough to handle her in any conditions. To make passages in close to
land i would want a smaller boat, maybe thirty feet. Near land weather
can sneak up on you so a smaller boat I think is easyier to handle. If
you are 6ft atheletic and strong a bigger boat is likely better. Also
the size and strength of a wife is a concideration as you could find
you self bunk bound with broken bones and a boat is not much good if she
can't sail it. A boat that sails well has an easy motion and can be
sailed by either party comes close to being perfect as far as I am
concerned,
Doug
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:08 PM, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> Wish list--
> 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)

Are you prepared to the crewing of such a large boat?

> 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area

I had a similar wish, until I experienced being tossed around in rough
water. There is a certain security that comes with low headroom in
that it limits how far you can be tossed. And, I found that 99% of
the time (being seated or sleeping) I didn't need standing headroom.

> 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors

You might ask the question of whether you really want a sail boat.
Running bio-diesel in a sturdy sea-going powerboat is a very tempting
option. Have you seen the books on this topic by George Buehler

http://www.amazon.com/Troller-Yacht-Book-Powerboaters-Crossing/dp/0393047091/
I'd still maintain the Micro was not designed for North Atlantic passages.

---- samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
> the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin Island
> to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
> Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to Iceland
> and Iceland to Scotland.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> > > Depends on what your true goal is.
> > ...
> > > ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
> something
> > > it was not intended to be?
> >
> > Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was talking of
> > ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
> > cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most of the
> > world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
> > willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
> > weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
> >
> > For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger design "Col.
> > H.G. Hassler".
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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That is the most sensible advise I have seen in 2 years, thank you.


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>
> Without trying to be smart assed and with all seriousness I think
the
> biggest problem that people make getting into boats and cruising is
> that there is some sort of "Right" boat or "Right" path...The truth
is
> it all depends.
>
> Down here in the Caribbean we certainly see a lot of people doing it
> wrong and they all seem to have a lot in common but as for the
people
> who are doing it right they seem to do it on all manner of boats and
> the one common trait we notice is having a good attitude.
>
> Sheila and I built a Micro and we liked it so much we built a Jessie
> Cooper and liked that so much we had Phil design the AS39 for us and
> sailed that around Europe, the Med, Africa and then across to the
> Caribbean...We really loved that boat but it was not a perfect boat
as
> it was a compromise and as such had both strong points and
weaknesses.
>
> Phil Bolger has designed any number of great boats that ill take you
> anywhere you'd care to go in both safety and comfort...The only
thing
> I will add to that is that most of Bolgers detractors have never
> sailed his designs and are talking without any real knowledge of the
> designs. The number of times both Sheila and I have heard about how
> Loose Moose sails, or is uncomfortable at anchor or..or...or...have
> never even seen one up close and personal much less sailed one for
any
> length of time if at all. So be wary of anybody who bad mouths any
> design on the net whether Bolgers or anyone elses.
>
> The fact is most boats work...Right now we are at anchor in the
> Caribbean on a classic plastic CAL 34 built in 1969 and still going
> strong, but truth is it is not the perfect boat either. As we sit
here
> we are perusing plans for the next boat and so it goes.
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
I was thinking about the special marine fixtures and
hardware and electronics and such that go into most
passagemakers, but maybe you're right.

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com






> I would argue that one Ken, its been a while maybe since
> you sampled housing construction costs on this side of
> the pond. I could build a 40 footer for a third of what
> it cost me to build my house but it would take twice as
> long.
>
> HJ
>
> Kenneth Grome wrote:
> >> I would normally say a 40' wood boat
> >> would take twice as long to build as a
> >> 4 bedroom 2000 sq ft house.
> >
> > ... and cost 2-3 times as much too.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ken Grome
> > Bagacay Boatworks
> > www.bagacayboatworks.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I would argue that one Ken, its been a while maybe since you sampled
housing construction costs on this side of the pond. I could build a 40
footer for a third of what it cost me to build my house but it would
take twice as long.

HJ

Kenneth Grome wrote:
>> I would normally say a 40' wood boat
>> would take twice as long to build as a
>> 4 bedroom 2000 sq ft house.
>>
>
> ... and cost 2-3 times as much too.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ken Grome
> Bagacay Boatworks
> www.bagacayboatworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
I would say don't build anything until you can answer your own question.
________________________________
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> From:samang251@...
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:46:21 +0000
> Subject: [bolger] Re: World Cruising
>
>
> You know, I've been trawling boat design websites for a couple of
> years now giving Bolger a miss and I looked into the Micro and it
> grew on me...
>
> I ask what is the best design to cruise the world is and i get a
> myriad of answers....thats "why it makes one wonder about how easy it
> is to lose track of what I want"...
>
> But when I ask if they would put there reputation behind their
> statement, all I get is stuttering and smart assed remarks....
>
> So my question is to all Bolger fans of the AS39.....is it the bees
> knees of Bolger designs able to provide safe and comfortable passage
> making according to my wish list.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
> wrote:
>>
>> A boat in the 45-60 foot range gets seriously expensive not only to
>> build but the ongoing expenses and as the discussion started with a
>> Micro as cruising platform it makes one wonder about how easy it is
> to
>> lose track of what you want...
>>
>> Just my take on your wish list but but our Loose Moose 2 at 11.5
>> meters pretty much answered all of the points on your wish list but
> it
>> only cost us about a third of your 100K price tag which translates
> to
>> a few years of cruising in comfort!
>>
>> Bob
>>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>> Wish list--
>>> 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
>>> 2. Large Storage for water, provisions, battery bank, sails
>>> 3. ?Cargo Area for dive equipment
>>> 4. dive platform
>>> 5. winch for cargo area
>>> 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
>>> 7. Queen size bed in stateroom
>>> 8. as much solar and wind turbine energy as possible
>>> 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
>>> 10. radar, sonar, GPS
>>> 11. big head
>>> 12. wet locker
>>>
>>> Budget of around 100,000 dollars.
>>
>
>
>

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> I would normally say a 40' wood boat
> would take twice as long to build as a
> 4 bedroom 2000 sq ft house.

... and cost 2-3 times as much too.

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com
I was going to respond to this but Bob beat me to it with his
relationship to the AS39. I would say that 45-60 feet are BIG boats. I
believe beyond the range of safe handling by a couple unless they are
very experienced. Two people on a 60' wooden boat would be spending at
least %50 of their time on maintenance also. If I was going to buy a
boat for off shore solo work I would get a Columbia 36. Its strong, fast
and cheap. The Valiant 40 has a very strong offshore record at the upper
end of your price range. If you want wood and want to build yourself
then you would be hard put to beat the AS 39. I would recommend a
smaller design for practice and to try out local cruising first. Bob
built Loosemoose 2 in what I consider record time. I would normally say
a 40' wood boat would take twice as long to build as a 4 bedroom 2000 sq
ft house.

HJ


samang251 wrote:
> You know, I've been trawling boat design websites for a couple of
> years now giving Bolger a miss and I looked into the Micro and it
> grew on me...
>
> I ask what is the best design to cruise the world is and i get a
> myriad of answers....thats "why it makes one wonder about how easy it
> is to lose track of what I want"...
>
> But when I ask if they would put there reputation behind their
> statement, all I get is stuttering and smart assed remarks....
>
> So my question is to all Bolger fans of the AS39.....is it the bees
> knees of Bolger designs able to provide safe and comfortable passage
> making according to my wish list.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
> <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>
>> A boat in the 45-60 foot range gets seriously expensive not only to
>> build but the ongoing expenses and as the discussion started with a
>> Micro as cruising platform it makes one wonder about how easy it is
>>
> to
>
>> lose track of what you want...
>>
>> Just my take on your wish list but but our Loose Moose 2 at 11.5
>> meters pretty much answered all of the points on your wish list but
>>
> it
>
>> only cost us about a third of your 100K price tag which translates
>>
> to
>
>> a few years of cruising in comfort!
>>
>> Bob
>>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wish list--
>>> 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
>>> 2. Large Storage for water, provisions, battery bank, sails
>>> 3. ?Cargo Area for dive equipment
>>> 4. dive platform
>>> 5. winch for cargo area
>>> 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
>>> 7. Queen size bed in stateroom
>>> 8. as much solar and wind turbine energy as possible
>>> 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
>>> 10. radar, sonar, GPS
>>> 11. big head
>>> 12. wet locker
>>>
>>> Budget of around 100,000 dollars.
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
>
>
>
>
Without trying to be smart assed and with all seriousness I think the
biggest problem that people make getting into boats and cruising is
that there is some sort of "Right" boat or "Right" path...The truth is
it all depends.

Down here in the Caribbean we certainly see a lot of people doing it
wrong and they all seem to have a lot in common but as for the people
who are doing it right they seem to do it on all manner of boats and
the one common trait we notice is having a good attitude.

Sheila and I built a Micro and we liked it so much we built a Jessie
Cooper and liked that so much we had Phil design the AS39 for us and
sailed that around Europe, the Med, Africa and then across to the
Caribbean...We really loved that boat but it was not a perfect boat as
it was a compromise and as such had both strong points and weaknesses.

Phil Bolger has designed any number of great boats that ill take you
anywhere you'd care to go in both safety and comfort...The only thing
I will add to that is that most of Bolgers detractors have never
sailed his designs and are talking without any real knowledge of the
designs. The number of times both Sheila and I have heard about how
Loose Moose sails, or is uncomfortable at anchor or..or...or...have
never even seen one up close and personal much less sailed one for any
length of time if at all. So be wary of anybody who bad mouths any
design on the net whether Bolgers or anyone elses.

The fact is most boats work...Right now we are at anchor in the
Caribbean on a classic plastic CAL 34 built in 1969 and still going
strong, but truth is it is not the perfect boat either. As we sit here
we are perusing plans for the next boat and so it goes.

Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
You know, I've been trawling boat design websites for a couple of
years now giving Bolger a miss and I looked into the Micro and it
grew on me...

I ask what is the best design to cruise the world is and i get a
myriad of answers....thats "why it makes one wonder about how easy it
is to lose track of what I want"...

But when I ask if they would put there reputation behind their
statement, all I get is stuttering and smart assed remarks....

So my question is to all Bolger fans of the AS39.....is it the bees
knees of Bolger designs able to provide safe and comfortable passage
making according to my wish list.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks"
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>
> A boat in the 45-60 foot range gets seriously expensive not only to
> build but the ongoing expenses and as the discussion started with a
> Micro as cruising platform it makes one wonder about how easy it is
to
> lose track of what you want...
>
> Just my take on your wish list but but our Loose Moose 2 at 11.5
> meters pretty much answered all of the points on your wish list but
it
> only cost us about a third of your 100K price tag which translates
to
> a few years of cruising in comfort!
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>
>
> > Wish list--
> > 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
> > 2. Large Storage for water, provisions, battery bank, sails
> > 3. ?Cargo Area for dive equipment
> > 4. dive platform
> > 5. winch for cargo area
> > 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
> > 7. Queen size bed in stateroom
> > 8. as much solar and wind turbine energy as possible
> > 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
> > 10. radar, sonar, GPS
> > 11. big head
> > 12. wet locker
> >
> > Budget of around 100,000 dollars.
>
I have less experience in this than most all here, but thinking about
it a couple of days here is my uninformed opinion.

IF you are bound and determined to build this boat, and it's gonna be
a Bolger, IMO, do a beefed up Martha Jane. Of course this would be
the newer version with the cabin, and the sponsons. Just enough
bigger than the Micro-Navigator to haul the needed supplies. I'd beef
it up with 1. heavier plywood sides and bottom, and much stronger
masts/spars and other rigging. 2. Steel plate bottom overlay in place
of much of the water ballast. 3/8" should be manageable for a
homebuilt boat, but a professional water tank builder could make you
something from 1/2" or thicker to fit the curve of the bottom. I'd
make of the rest of the ballast (if needed) with steel or lead
inboard. With water ballast eliminated, you will have more interior
space to keep supplies. A simple fixed steel keel, might also replace
the MJ's lee boards, though I'd want to keep the shoal draft
capability for cruising up rivers, etc. In addition to the outboard
motor, I'd have a yuloh secured topside to support rudder loss or
failure.

Even if you don't build and instead fit out a factory boat for this, I
suggest looking to strengthening and backup systems.
A boat in the 45-60 foot range gets seriously expensive not only to
build but the ongoing expenses and as the discussion started with a
Micro as cruising platform it makes one wonder about how easy it is to
lose track of what you want...

Just my take on your wish list but but our Loose Moose 2 at 11.5
meters pretty much answered all of the points on your wish list but it
only cost us about a third of your 100K price tag which translates to
a few years of cruising in comfort!

Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/


> Wish list--
> 1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
> 2. Large Storage for water, provisions, battery bank, sails
> 3. ?Cargo Area for dive equipment
> 4. dive platform
> 5. winch for cargo area
> 6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
> 7. Queen size bed in stateroom
> 8. as much solar and wind turbine energy as possible
> 9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
> 10. radar, sonar, GPS
> 11. big head
> 12. wet locker
>
> Budget of around 100,000 dollars.
Wish list--
1. 45-60'(wooden construction)
2. Large Storage for water, provisions, battery bank, sails
3. ?Cargo Area for dive equipment
4. dive platform
5. winch for cargo area
6. No less than 6 foot head room in main living area
7. Queen size bed in stateroom
8. as much solar and wind turbine energy as possible
9. as little reliance on any fossil fuel motors
10. radar, sonar, GPS
11. big head
12. wet locker

Budget of around 100,000 dollars.

I have built two houses (to code) that are still standing.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> > All right, then how about this the Bolger AS39
>
> There are about one hundred possible Bolger boat choices between the
> Micro and the AS39. It depends a lot on variables. What is your
> 'wish list', and what is your budget and your boat building
> capability.
>
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:46 PM, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> All right, then how about this the Bolger AS39

There are about one hundred possible Bolger boat choices between the
Micro and the AS39. It depends a lot on variables. What is your
'wish list', and what is your budget and your boat building
capability.
If you want to consider sailing through that area you might want to
read Jon Turk's book "In the Wake of the Jomon" His idea of
adventure was to sail from northern Japan to North America in small
coastal boats that needed to go ashore regularly. It can be pretty
inhospitable on that route in small boats.

Mark
On Oct 11, 2008, at 5:22 PM, samang251 wrote:

> Definetly give New Zealand miss
> Bering straight would be the longest passage without land 84 kms, but
> there is the Diomede Islands smack in the middle.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> What about on the Pacific side?
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:
>>
>>> Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
>>> the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin
> Island
>>> to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
>>> Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to
>>> Iceland
>>> and Iceland to Scotland.
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@> wrote:
>>>>> Depends on what your true goal is.
>>>> ...
>>>>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
>>> something
>>>>> it was not intended to be?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
>>>> talking of
>>>> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
>>>> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most
> of the
>>>> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
>>>> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
>>>> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
>>>>
>>>> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger
> design "Col.
>>>> H.G. Hassler".
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Bolger rules!!!
>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
> flogging
>>> dead horses
>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks,
> Fred'
>>> posts
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>>> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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No anchorage at Little Diomede, the villagers would be happy to pull
your boat up on the rocks. North wind in this pic, the other choice is
15-20 kts from the other direction. Its right off the far Western end of
the North American Continent. Lots of weather comes through here.

http://www.pbs.org/harriman/images/log/album/aug16/ld_town.jpg

HJ

samang251 wrote:
> Definetly give New Zealand miss
> Bering straight would be the longest passage without land 84 kms, but
> there is the Diomede Islands smack in the middle.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@...> wrote:
>
>> What about on the Pacific side?
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
>>> the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin
>>>
> Island
>
>>> to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
>>> Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to
>>> Iceland
>>> and Iceland to Scotland.
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Depends on what your true goal is.
>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
>>>>>
>>> something
>>>
>>>>> it was not intended to be?
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
>>>> talking of
>>>> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
>>>> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most
>>>>
> of the
>
>>>> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
>>>> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
>>>> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
>>>>
>>>> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger
>>>>
> design "Col.
>
>>>> H.G. Hassler".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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All right, then how about this the Bolger AS39
I believe it could handle a bit of world cruising and I might even
find some room for the wife???



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "samang251" <samang251@...> wrote:
>
> Definetly give New Zealand miss
> Bering straight would be the longest passage without land 84 kms,
but
> there is the Diomede Islands smack in the middle.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@> wrote:
> >
> > What about on the Pacific side?
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:
> >
> > > Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
> > > the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin
> Island
> > > to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through
the
> > > Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland
to
> > > Iceland
> > > and Iceland to Scotland.
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@> wrote:
> > >>> Depends on what your true goal is.
> > >> ...
> > >>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser
into
> > > something
> > >>> it was not intended to be?
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
> > >> talking of
> > >> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance
coastal
> > >> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most
> of the
> > >> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
> > >> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
> > >> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
> > >>
> > >> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger
> design "Col.
> > >> H.G. Hassler".
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Definetly give New Zealand miss
Bering straight would be the longest passage without land 84 kms, but
there is the Diomede Islands smack in the middle.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Balogh <mark@...> wrote:
>
> What about on the Pacific side?
>
> On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:
>
> > Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
> > the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin
Island
> > to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
> > Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to
> > Iceland
> > and Iceland to Scotland.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@> wrote:
> >>> Depends on what your true goal is.
> >> ...
> >>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
> > something
> >>> it was not intended to be?
> >>
> >> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
> >> talking of
> >> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
> >> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most
of the
> >> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
> >> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
> >> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
> >>
> >> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger
design "Col.
> >> H.G. Hassler".
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
flogging
> > dead horses
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Fred'
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Doug ... you wrote (in part):
> "I would pick a boat safe to be safe at sea in severe weather
and leave the shore line as far away as possible."

I could not agree with you more - and would add: If your boat cannot
deal with the real ocean - don't take it out of the bay. If your boat
can deal with the ocean, stay away from the shore except to go
ashore ... for sure as the sea is salt, if you hang about near shore,
you will go ashore where and when you do not wish.

I'll admit that I've never crossed an ocean in a small boat, but I have
singlehanded a 22 foot Colombia from Tampa to Jamaica (via Bahama),
from Jamaica to Mexico, from Mexico to Mobile and from Mobile back to
Jamaica (via Cayman)- and my greatest "pucker periods" were when land
was in sight (and usually to lee) ... and that was in a Colombia with a
lead keel and a rig that goes to windward like a happy dream.
Mark Balogh wrote:
>
> What about on the Pacific side?
>
> On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:
>
> > Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
> > the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin Island
> > to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
> > Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to
> > Iceland
> > and Iceland to Scotland.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> >>> Depends on what your true goal is.
> >> ...
> >>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
> > something
> >>> it was not intended to be?
> >>
> >> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
> >> talking of
> >> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
> >> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most of the
> >> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
> >> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
> >> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
> >>
> >> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger design "Col.
> >> H.G. Hassler".
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
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Seems to me 5he worst possible and most dangerouse place to be in a
world cruise is close to land. being blown ahore aon beach or rockey
cost is a huge risk. I have thought about this some and and my thinking
is to stay away from land for safty. If you sail 50 miles of shore in
an around the world trip youare are going to be blown agrond many many
times and without an engine probly amy hundreds of times. Along the
coast of many parts of the world a small boat will be prey for even
fishermen who are also opertunist. And you will be a quick stop for
proffesional piarates.
I would pick a boat safe to be safe at sea in severe weather and
leave the shore line as far away as possible.
Thats what I think.
Doug
What about on the Pacific side?

On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:45 AM, samang251 wrote:

> Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
> the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin Island
> to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
> Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to
> Iceland
> and Iceland to Scotland.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
>>> Depends on what your true goal is.
>> ...
>>> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
> something
>>> it was not intended to be?
>>
>> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was
>> talking of
>> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
>> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most of the
>> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
>> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
>> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
>>
>> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger design "Col.
>> H.G. Hassler".
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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Thats what I was trying to get across, pardon the pun....
the longest passages without land in sight would be from Baffin Island
to Greenland, if you cut across the Davis Straight or through the
Labrador Sea if leaving Labrador to Greenland then Greenland to Iceland
and Iceland to Scotland.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> > Depends on what your true goal is.
> ...
> > ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into
something
> > it was not intended to be?
>
> Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was talking of
> ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
> cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most of the
> world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
> willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
> weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..
>
> For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger design "Col.
> H.G. Hassler".
>
I believe they're still circling the Sargasso Sea.

On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:29 PM, loosemoosefilmworks wrote:

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
> >
> > Chris Burden did it.
> >
> >http://www.gagosian.com/exhibitions/beverly-hills-1996-07-chris-
> burden/
> >
>
> But did he ever actually get them across the Atlantic...Lovely picture
> of the three Micros!
>
>
>



=== craig o'donnell
dadadata@...
Box 232 Betterton Md 21610





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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Chris Burden did it.
>
>http://www.gagosian.com/exhibitions/beverly-hills-1996-07-chris-burden/
>

But did he ever actually get them across the Atlantic...Lovely picture
of the three Micros!
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:32 AM, David C. <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> Depends on what your true goal is.
...
> ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into something
> it was not intended to be?

Perhaps I misunderstood Samang251, but I don't think he was talking of
ocean crossing but rather he was talking of long distance coastal
cruising. I think it is possible to work your way around most of the
world without leaving sight of land. I suspect that if you are
willing to wait for the summer season and carefully chose your
weather, you can even round Terra del Fuego, etc..

For a small 'ocean crosser' consider the 20 foot Bolger design "Col.
H.G. Hassler".
Depends on what your true goal is.

If your goal is to build a Micro and cruise then world in it, I suppose the world has been traveled in less-appropriate vessels (someone has already mentioned "Tinkerbelle).
Be aware that if this is your goal, you should be interested in minimalist cruising. There is definitely a measure of "daredevil" to such a stunt. Most of the hardships have already been pointed out.

If your goal is to cruise the world in a homebuilt boat, there are other designs that would offer far more comfort and safety. A red flag ought to go up anytime you start to seriously change the design intention and specs of a boat. Why not build a boat that was actually designed to handle ocean-crossing, instead of trying to turn a coastal cruiser into something it was not intended to be?

If your goal is to cruise the world on a budget, there are lots of better options in the commercially built sailboat world than a Micro -- or any other homebuilt boat, for that matter.

DC

---- Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:15 PM, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> > I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> > MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
=
In the whatever happened to department...

Back in 92 there was an artist who built three Micros and planned to
sail them via autopilot control across the Atlantic in honor of the
Columbus 500 year milestone. I remember reading about it in Wooden
Boat but never ever heard if actually accomplished it.

Anyone know?

Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/

PS The Micro certainly is seaworthy enough to do a world voyage but
the comfort level and load carrying make it an idea in the not real
bright ideas class when classic plastic boats are available for less
than $2000 ready to go.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:15 PM, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?

The Micro Navigator was designed by PCB on commission as a boat to
circumnavigate the continent of Australia, which is a powerful
statement about his opinion of her sea keeping ability. That said,
her 15'4" length limits her top speed, which increase the amount of
time for passages and increases the amount of fresh water that you
must carry (or make).

I own one, and can attest that she is a real effective boat. I also
am on the opinion that the suitability for a cruise must be evaluated
holistically, with the boat being just one element. A whole bunch of
other things matter more than the choice of boat; the skill, luck and
temperament of the crew, etc..
Yes

Greg F

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "samang251" <samang251@...> wrote:
>
> I suppose one could sail along the pacific rim, lots of costal
> cruising, starting in sydney australia, up through the pacific
> islands, china, japan, russia, shoot across to the Aleutians, down
> the pacific coasts of N and S America, under the tip of cape horn up
> the atlantic side of S america through the caribbean through the gulf
> of mexico, up the atlantic sea board etc etc etc.....that would be
> one hell of a long trip!!!
>
> It would decrease the need for large storage of provisions.
> Would have to time the crossing to Alaska in the of summer....
> just thinking out loud....
>
> Structure mods: ?1" bottom, ?more weight in the keel, 1/2 hull sides
> and deck?
>
> A really,really good radio and EPIRB....
>
> Would Mr Bolger think I'm mad?
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "samang251" <samang251@> wrote:
> >
> > I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> > MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
> >
>
samang251 wrote:
>
> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
>



Honestly?

I think anyone who decides to go world cruising in a Micro is probably a
can or two short of a six pack (although to be fair that could probably
be said of a majority of world cruisers and wannabe world cruisers,
myself included ;-)).

If, hypothetically, I decided that I wanted to go solo world cruising in
a Bolger box, I'd probably go with AS29 (unless anyone on here, or Mr.
Bolger has a better suggestion), though I might give serious
consideration to an alternative rig (personal preference might be for a
Lugsail ketch, cat ketch, or possibly schooner), but that's mainly due
to my own thoughts regarding a manageable and efficient rig, rather than
any quibble with Bolger's design. AS39 would be faster, and have a lot
more room, but unless you're set on going around without stopping she's
probably a bit large.

To expand the question a bit, if I wanted to go solo world cruising on a
budget, I probably wouldn't build my own boat to do it. I'd hunt around
for a suitable vessel for sale, probably one where the current owner was
refitting with ideas of world cruising, but has changed their mind (not
that uncommon, there's normally a few in the classifieds or on eBay, and
they're often ameanable to offers). If put together well (and not left
outside for years with only a coat of primer for protection while the
interior is fitted out, as has happened to many), one of the smaller
Spray designs from Bruce Roberts would work well, and they're relatively
common. If you could find one, a Joshua or similar design (Colin Archer
style double-ender with a long keel and ketch rig, of steel
construction, as used by Bernard Moitessier for his solo world cruising
in the Roaring 40s) would be near-perfect, at least IMHO.

Anyway, I hope at least some of that's useful,

Dan
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If you feal hardy and want to keep the cost down here is a small
sailboat that crossed the Atlantic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkerbelle
I guess that is foolhardy. Enjoy

Jon
Why so small? Your speed limits you tremendously. If you want the
shallow draft, move up to a 25' Catamaran and go 4x the speed.

All your time would be spent in just trying to get somewhere before you
starved or ran out of water.

For routing, once I got to Northern Japan I would want to do the
Kamchatka Peninsula and on up to at least Provedina and then across to
St Lawrence Island and either to Nome or across the mouth of the YK
Delta to False Pass and so on across the South of AK. You couldn't do it
in a Micro, just couldn't do the distance in the time allowed.

You are talking about serious revisions to a Bolger design, probably not
a good idea as he has a balance of trade offs in his mind to get to the
purpose of the design in question. Micro's aren't noted for failing
structurally and coastal cruising is one of the design goals. If you
have further questions write Bolger certainly he has opinions. Address
at the bottom of the page.


HJ


samang251 wrote:
> I suppose one could sail along the pacific rim, lots of costal
> cruising, starting in sydney australia, up through the pacific
> islands, china, japan, russia, shoot across to the Aleutians, down
> the pacific coasts of N and S America, under the tip of cape horn up
> the atlantic side of S america through the caribbean through the gulf
> of mexico, up the atlantic sea board etc etc etc.....that would be
> one hell of a long trip!!!
>
> It would decrease the need for large storage of provisions.
> Would have to time the crossing to Alaska in the of summer....
> just thinking out loud....
>
> Structure mods: ?1" bottom, ?more weight in the keel, 1/2 hull sides
> and deck?
>
> A really,really good radio and EPIRB....
>
> Would Mr Bolger think I'm mad?
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "samang251" <samang251@...> wrote:
>
>> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
>> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>>
>>
>
>
well I would say it's small and maybe not your best boat to do it with... But it's bigger then the ones they are planing to use to go around the world in 10....

I think you could respace the frames by 10 to 15% and gain a few feet of room and a little more speed... You also would not be in it a major amount of funds.... So the bang for the bucks could be rather high!

Blessings Krissie

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, samang251 <samang251@...> wrote:
From: samang251 <samang251@...>
Subject: [bolger] World Cruising
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:15 PM











I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the

MICRO as the vessel to do it in?





























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I suppose one could sail along the pacific rim, lots of costal
cruising, starting in sydney australia, up through the pacific
islands, china, japan, russia, shoot across to the Aleutians, down
the pacific coasts of N and S America, under the tip of cape horn up
the atlantic side of S america through the caribbean through the gulf
of mexico, up the atlantic sea board etc etc etc.....that would be
one hell of a long trip!!!

It would decrease the need for large storage of provisions.
Would have to time the crossing to Alaska in the of summer....
just thinking out loud....

Structure mods: ?1" bottom, ?more weight in the keel, 1/2 hull sides
and deck?

A really,really good radio and EPIRB....

Would Mr Bolger think I'm mad?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "samang251" <samang251@...> wrote:
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> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
You would want the navigator version.

If you have never been offshore in a 16' boat you might want to give it
a try before committing any money or effort.

The Micro doesn't really have the capacity to carry enough for 3K mile
legs.

You could get an old Pearson Triton and have it ready to go for under
10K for a far more comfortable ride. Its going to cost you at least that
to get an offshore Micro Navigator going.

HJ

samang251 wrote:
> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
> MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
>
>
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It's pretty small so it's going to be slow, and it might not
be built strongly enough if you build to plans so you would
probably want to beef it up a bit in the places that
matter.

Sincerely,
Ken Grome
Bagacay Boatworks
www.bagacayboatworks.com






> I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of
> using the MICRO as the vessel to do it in?
I want to go world cruising. What does everyone think of using the
MICRO as the vessel to do it in?