Re: [bolger] rectangular spritsail with a forestay and jib??
bill shamblin wrote:
stay; just haul it up taut & there you go. The only time I use it is
for long closewinded legs as I generally find it a pain in the neck.
The spritsail alone will sail very close to the wind, but provides no
power - you just sit there admiring the bubbles standing in the water
alongside. The jib makes all the difference by powering the main. I
suspect that it is a matter of making a slot effect rather than just
increasing sail area.
If you have a sturdy mast I question the need for stays or shrouds if
you didn't need them before. For given sail area, a sprit sail uses a
short mast. A tall mast & triangular sail of equal area would be a
different proposition.
Calm Seas & A Prosperous Voyage
Malcolm
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>I sometimes use a jib with a spritsail on my dory. I do not have a fore
> Builders,
>
> Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
> 16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
> spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
> sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
> like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation doesnt
> require much of me.
>
> Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2 such
> spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( and sidestays )
> for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ?? the
> problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightly
> behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
> that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
>
> Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a forestay
> jib rig?
>
> Bill in NC
>
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stay; just haul it up taut & there you go. The only time I use it is
for long closewinded legs as I generally find it a pain in the neck.
The spritsail alone will sail very close to the wind, but provides no
power - you just sit there admiring the bubbles standing in the water
alongside. The jib makes all the difference by powering the main. I
suspect that it is a matter of making a slot effect rather than just
increasing sail area.
If you have a sturdy mast I question the need for stays or shrouds if
you didn't need them before. For given sail area, a sprit sail uses a
short mast. A tall mast & triangular sail of equal area would be a
different proposition.
Calm Seas & A Prosperous Voyage
Malcolm
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thanks!
bs
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<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
>lug rig with
> Bill,
>
>
>
> 1) Several of John Wellsfords dinghies combine a standing
> a jib on a stayed mast. You can check these out by going toclicking
> www.duckworksmagazine.com <http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/> and
> on 'plans' on the right side of the screenWhitehall with a
>
> 2) John Gardner/Mystic Seaport have plans for a 14 ft
> sprit main and a jib on an unstayed, but fairly large mast. See ifyour
> library has Building Classic Small Craft.Boat Rigs,
>
> 3) Also check your library for Philip Bolger's 100 Small
> which has several descriptions of variations on sprit rigs.(maybe a
>
> 4) Finally, there was an indigenous North Carolina boat
> 'Currituck Sound Boat'?) that used a sprit main with a jib. Youmight want
> to contact the N C Maritime Museum in Beaufort (which shows one ofthese as
> its logo.Behalf Of
>
>
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> JohnT
>
>
>
>
>
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> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On
> bill shamblindoesnt
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:18 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] rectangular spritsail with a forestay and jib??
>
>
>
> Builders,
>
> Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
> 16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
> spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
> sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
> like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation
> require much of me.such
>
> Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2
> spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( andsidestays )
> for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ??the
> problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightlyforestay
> behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
> that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
>
> Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a
> jib rig?
>
> Bill in NC
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Bill,
1) Several of John Wellsfords dinghies combine a standing lug rig with
a jib on a stayed mast. You can check these out by going to
www.duckworksmagazine.com <http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/> and clicking
on 'plans' on the right side of the screen
2) John Gardner/Mystic Seaport have plans for a 14 ft Whitehall with a
sprit main and a jib on an unstayed, but fairly large mast. See if your
library has Building Classic Small Craft.
3) Also check your library for Philip Bolger's 100 Small Boat Rigs,
which has several descriptions of variations on sprit rigs.
4) Finally, there was an indigenous North Carolina boat (maybe a
'Currituck Sound Boat'?) that used a sprit main with a jib. You might want
to contact the N C Maritime Museum in Beaufort (which shows one of these as
its logo.
Good luck.
JohnT
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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bill shamblin
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:18 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] rectangular spritsail with a forestay and jib??
Builders,
Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation doesnt
require much of me.
Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2 such
spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( and sidestays )
for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ?? the
problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightly
behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a forestay
jib rig?
Bill in NC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
1) Several of John Wellsfords dinghies combine a standing lug rig with
a jib on a stayed mast. You can check these out by going to
www.duckworksmagazine.com <http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/> and clicking
on 'plans' on the right side of the screen
2) John Gardner/Mystic Seaport have plans for a 14 ft Whitehall with a
sprit main and a jib on an unstayed, but fairly large mast. See if your
library has Building Classic Small Craft.
3) Also check your library for Philip Bolger's 100 Small Boat Rigs,
which has several descriptions of variations on sprit rigs.
4) Finally, there was an indigenous North Carolina boat (maybe a
'Currituck Sound Boat'?) that used a sprit main with a jib. You might want
to contact the N C Maritime Museum in Beaufort (which shows one of these as
its logo.
Good luck.
JohnT
_____
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
bill shamblin
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:18 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] rectangular spritsail with a forestay and jib??
Builders,
Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation doesnt
require much of me.
Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2 such
spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( and sidestays )
for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ?? the
problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightly
behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a forestay
jib rig?
Bill in NC
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Builders,
Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation doesnt
require much of me.
Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2 such
spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( and sidestays )
for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ?? the
problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightly
behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a forestay
jib rig?
Bill in NC
Before, i built a "double brick" sort of cabin boat ( MUD TURTLE )
16'x4' and powered her with a 10'x12' rectangular loosefooted
spritsail ( on a 2"x6" x16' mast )which was good on all points of
sail except hard to windward. The mast was unstayed. I very much
like the loose footed spritsail as the easyness of operation doesnt
require much of me.
Now im thinking of something bigger in the 8'x 24' range with 2 such
spritsails and am wondering about adding a forestay ( and sidestays )
for a jib and better windward performance on the forward mast ?? the
problem im posing is how to have sidestays that attach slightly
behind the mast that wont get in the way of the sprit?? sidestays
that go up the mast only 1/2 way?
Does anyone know about using a loosefooted spritsail with a forestay
jib rig?
Bill in NC