Re: Plans question
Don
I've bought two or three books lately that have this problem. They
were from independent dealers on Amazon's website. The quality is
almost like "facsimile reprints" except, in at least one case, they
are hardbound. The prices were very low, so I kept them.
Dave
I've bought two or three books lately that have this problem. They
were from independent dealers on Amazon's website. The quality is
almost like "facsimile reprints" except, in at least one case, they
are hardbound. The prices were very low, so I kept them.
Dave
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting. My copy of BWAOM bought new 6-7 years ago, has extremely
> sharp scans of the drawings. With a magnifying glass, I can easily
> read text of the offset tables. This is also true of my copy of 30
> Odd Boats, and my original edition of Folding Schooner. Both of those
> titles are out of print.
>
> Don S.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "titanicslim" <titanicslim@> wrote:
> >
> > My first impulse is to advise you to get a "lightly" used older
> > edition. (The latest one I saw had very blurry and poorly defined
> > offset tables, which seem smaller as well.)
> >
> > For a larger boat, it is almost surely a good idea to get them
> > full-size. The cost of these stock plans is reasonable (and very
> > minor in the total cost) and the Book will let you know if you need
> them.
> >
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Troy" <necromancer_wizard@...> wrote:
Costing from BWAOM may be tough as the scantlings are (mostly) not
given. And Bolger has an unlisted number (does have a listed FAX
though). I've built a few boats and costing can be misleading. I do
most of it in my head and hope for the best, but materials prices vary
wildly over time and a last minute change of materials quality can put
things out of wack quickly. (like when I decided to build the spars out
of Sitka).
>of
> Thats what I was hoping for. If it has enough to at least cost out
> everything and get a good idea of the building procedure I can then
> make a call in ordering the full set. If the book just had profiles
> the boat and no other info than I would have just had to order theTony;
> plans outright.
> Thanks for the help.
>
Costing from BWAOM may be tough as the scantlings are (mostly) not
given. And Bolger has an unlisted number (does have a listed FAX
though). I've built a few boats and costing can be misleading. I do
most of it in my head and hope for the best, but materials prices vary
wildly over time and a last minute change of materials quality can put
things out of wack quickly. (like when I decided to build the spars out
of Sitka).
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" wrote:
"..Interesting. My copy of BWAOM bought new 6-7 years ago, has
extremely sharp scans of the drawings."
A couple of years ago I bought a replacement for my much loved
careworn copy of BWAOM and found that the publishers had apparently
farmed out reprinting to someone employing a process resembling
photocopying of the original print run. The new printing as I recall
bore no printers name, where my original sharp and legible copy was
printed by R.R.Donnelley of Crawfordsville, IN.
Not only was the 'new' print process substandard [blurry tables,
pronounced 'banding' on the photographs] but the paper stock employed
was markedly thinner, allowing a lot of shine-through.
I pursued the issue in a lengthy correspondance with the publishers,
originally thinking that a 'bootleg' printing had somehow made it into
the distribution chain but the matter was never clearly explained. I
was eventually pacified by an exchange of my shoddy new copy for a
copy from the original printing.
Maybe the problem has been resolved in the meantime, but 'caveat emptor'.
cheers
Derek
Interesting. My copy of BWAOM bought new 6-7 years ago, has extremely
sharp scans of the drawings. With a magnifying glass, I can easily
read text of the offset tables. This is also true of my copy of 30
Odd Boats, and my original edition of Folding Schooner. Both of those
titles are out of print.
Don S.
sharp scans of the drawings. With a magnifying glass, I can easily
read text of the offset tables. This is also true of my copy of 30
Odd Boats, and my original edition of Folding Schooner. Both of those
titles are out of print.
Don S.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "titanicslim" <titanicslim@...> wrote:
>
> My first impulse is to advise you to get a "lightly" used older
> edition. (The latest one I saw had very blurry and poorly defined
> offset tables, which seem smaller as well.)
>
> For a larger boat, it is almost surely a good idea to get them
> full-size. The cost of these stock plans is reasonable (and very
> minor in the total cost) and the Book will let you know if you need
them.
>
Regarding plan updates; In the case of the trailer sailer weekend
cruiser Martha Jane, Bolger made extensive changes after the popular
original design had significant problems in knockdowns. The original
is in BWAOM, and there are pirated original plans available which
would help you build a boat the designer felt compelled to change to
make it safer after several were built. So buy the newest plans from
Bolger.
The plans also include an assembly key for each design not in the
Bolger books except in a few cases. This provides an order of work
and assembly sequence, which I regard as critical to a new builder. A
really experienced builder could get by without it. IMO most of us
need the key at least the first couple of times.
Also important to a new builder is to read several books regarding
boat building. The books provide detailed "how to do it" info for
specific building techniques. I like the newer books like Payson's,
and Michalak's, and Devlin's. There are several others, like
Buehler's Backyard Boat Building and Chappelle's (sp?) which is a
collector's item. Some you will find at local libraries, thus
avoiding purchase cost until sure the book helps you with the boat you
want to build.
I'm moving toward building a power cruiser or motor-sailer in the 22'
to 30' range. It may turn out to be a gussied up Michalak AF-4G, an
older Bolger design I believe was never built, Utility for
Homebuilders, or any of 4 other Bolger designs. I know I will use
techniques described in especially the first 3 books I mention above.
I may refer to the other 2 books also.
cruiser Martha Jane, Bolger made extensive changes after the popular
original design had significant problems in knockdowns. The original
is in BWAOM, and there are pirated original plans available which
would help you build a boat the designer felt compelled to change to
make it safer after several were built. So buy the newest plans from
Bolger.
The plans also include an assembly key for each design not in the
Bolger books except in a few cases. This provides an order of work
and assembly sequence, which I regard as critical to a new builder. A
really experienced builder could get by without it. IMO most of us
need the key at least the first couple of times.
Also important to a new builder is to read several books regarding
boat building. The books provide detailed "how to do it" info for
specific building techniques. I like the newer books like Payson's,
and Michalak's, and Devlin's. There are several others, like
Buehler's Backyard Boat Building and Chappelle's (sp?) which is a
collector's item. Some you will find at local libraries, thus
avoiding purchase cost until sure the book helps you with the boat you
want to build.
I'm moving toward building a power cruiser or motor-sailer in the 22'
to 30' range. It may turn out to be a gussied up Michalak AF-4G, an
older Bolger design I believe was never built, Utility for
Homebuilders, or any of 4 other Bolger designs. I know I will use
techniques described in especially the first 3 books I mention above.
I may refer to the other 2 books also.
I don't think anybody gave youthe address for ordering, its at the bottom of every
message on this list.
Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978)
Thats what I was hoping for. If it has enough to at least cost out
message on this list.
Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978)
> 282-1349HJ
Thats what I was hoping for. If it has enough to at least cost out
> everything and get a good idea of the building procedure I can then
> make a call in ordering the full set. If the book just had profiles of
> the boat and no other info than I would have just had to order the
> plans outright.
> Thanks for the help.
>
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Thats what I was hoping for. If it has enough to at least cost out
everything and get a good idea of the building procedure I can then
make a call in ordering the full set. If the book just had profiles of
the boat and no other info than I would have just had to order the
plans outright.
Thanks for the help.
everything and get a good idea of the building procedure I can then
make a call in ordering the full set. If the book just had profiles of
the boat and no other info than I would have just had to order the
plans outright.
Thanks for the help.
My first impulse is to advise you to get a "lightly" used older
edition. (The latest one I saw had very blurry and poorly defined
offset tables, which seem smaller as well.)
For a larger boat, it is almost surely a good idea to get them
full-size. The cost of these stock plans is reasonable (and very
minor in the total cost) and the Book will let you know if you need them.
edition. (The latest one I saw had very blurry and poorly defined
offset tables, which seem smaller as well.)
For a larger boat, it is almost surely a good idea to get them
full-size. The cost of these stock plans is reasonable (and very
minor in the total cost) and the Book will let you know if you need them.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> Study plans, sort of. There is enough in the book to build the
> smaller boats (if you eyes can read small print). The larger boats
> would justify buying the plans, especially considering the bargain
> prices.
>
> Both the AS29 and AS39 have seen some minor, but significant
> improvements to their designs since the 1994 date of the book, making
> buying plans definitely worthwhile.
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Troy <necromancer_wizard@...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > This is my first post with the group and I am waiting for my copy of
> > boats with an open mind to come in and had a couple of questions. Are
> > the plans to build the boats in the book (like in George Beuhler's
> > book) or are they all study plans and the full ones are ordered? If so
> > how much are the plans for the AS 29 and AS 39 and where do I
write to?
> > I have been searching for plans for a boat large enough to hold my
> > crowd in relative comfort, not have to deep of a draft and able to
drop
> > the mast without a crane. I was happy to find a design that actually
> > fits the bill! Thanks in advance for any advice given.
> > Troy
>
Study plans, sort of. There is enough in the book to build the
smaller boats (if you eyes can read small print). The larger boats
would justify buying the plans, especially considering the bargain
prices.
Both the AS29 and AS39 have seen some minor, but significant
improvements to their designs since the 1994 date of the book, making
buying plans definitely worthwhile.
smaller boats (if you eyes can read small print). The larger boats
would justify buying the plans, especially considering the bargain
prices.
Both the AS29 and AS39 have seen some minor, but significant
improvements to their designs since the 1994 date of the book, making
buying plans definitely worthwhile.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Troy <necromancer_wizard@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> This is my first post with the group and I am waiting for my copy of
> boats with an open mind to come in and had a couple of questions. Are
> the plans to build the boats in the book (like in George Beuhler's
> book) or are they all study plans and the full ones are ordered? If so
> how much are the plans for the AS 29 and AS 39 and where do I write to?
> I have been searching for plans for a boat large enough to hold my
> crowd in relative comfort, not have to deep of a draft and able to drop
> the mast without a crane. I was happy to find a design that actually
> fits the bill! Thanks in advance for any advice given.
> Troy
Hello all,
This is my first post with the group and I am waiting for my copy of
boats with an open mind to come in and had a couple of questions. Are
the plans to build the boats in the book (like in George Beuhler's
book) or are they all study plans and the full ones are ordered? If so
how much are the plans for the AS 29 and AS 39 and where do I write to?
I have been searching for plans for a boat large enough to hold my
crowd in relative comfort, not have to deep of a draft and able to drop
the mast without a crane. I was happy to find a design that actually
fits the bill! Thanks in advance for any advice given.
Troy
This is my first post with the group and I am waiting for my copy of
boats with an open mind to come in and had a couple of questions. Are
the plans to build the boats in the book (like in George Beuhler's
book) or are they all study plans and the full ones are ordered? If so
how much are the plans for the AS 29 and AS 39 and where do I write to?
I have been searching for plans for a boat large enough to hold my
crowd in relative comfort, not have to deep of a draft and able to drop
the mast without a crane. I was happy to find a design that actually
fits the bill! Thanks in advance for any advice given.
Troy