Re: Learning to sail ..
I taught myself to sail in Teal in a 100 acre lake. It worked fine
there. I built it with a tombstone transom as in Surf because I wanted
to eliminate that extension of the skeg. The rudder was modified
accordingly for a more upright attitude. It looks better to my eye and
works fine too. If I were doing it again I would build a kick up
rudder and leeboard. Michalak's book can show you how.
Joe T
there. I built it with a tombstone transom as in Surf because I wanted
to eliminate that extension of the skeg. The rudder was modified
accordingly for a more upright attitude. It looks better to my eye and
works fine too. If I were doing it again I would build a kick up
rudder and leeboard. Michalak's book can show you how.
Joe T
The tiller on Surf is long over the aft deck. I rigged a loop of
bungee through the aft cleat to keep it from swinging out of reach.
Joe T
bungee through the aft cleat to keep it from swinging out of reach.
Joe T
The cover of this song bore the following note:
There is a legend amongst sailors, that when a vessel is out at sea on
Christmas Eve, the usual peal which on land ushers in the great Christian
Festival from every church steeple is sometimes heard, however far from land
the ship may be, and is an assured sign of a prosperous voyage.
Sullivan's manuscript consists of three pages, the last of which is dated 21
October 1874 and signed by the composer. Sullivan also drafted a title page,
headed with the words "Dedicated to" although the song bore no dedication
when it was published.
Still the night and calm the ocean,
Dazzling bright each wintry star;
Scarcely felt the vessel's motion,
When we heard from out afar
Softly pealing,
Gently stealing,
Silv'ry bells in volleys ringing.
Ringing out in holy glee;
E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
Christmas bells at sea.
Wrapt in awe around them gazing,
Mute the crew in wonder stand,
Whence could come those sounds amazing,
Far from sight or sound of land?
Rising, falling,
Home recalling,
Thoughts of home and heaven bringing,
Sure a silent mystery
'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
Christmas Bells at sea.
Vain Thy ways, O Heaven, to measure:
Who thy secrets can divine?
In our hearts enough to treasure
Tokens of Thy love benign
Where no steeple
Calls its people
Tidings of a Saviour bringing,
Angel hands are set by Thee
From a cloud-built belfry ringing
From a cloud-built belfry ringing
Christmas Bells at sea.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
There is a legend amongst sailors, that when a vessel is out at sea on
Christmas Eve, the usual peal which on land ushers in the great Christian
Festival from every church steeple is sometimes heard, however far from land
the ship may be, and is an assured sign of a prosperous voyage.
Sullivan's manuscript consists of three pages, the last of which is dated 21
October 1874 and signed by the composer. Sullivan also drafted a title page,
headed with the words "Dedicated to" although the song bore no dedication
when it was published.
Still the night and calm the ocean,
Dazzling bright each wintry star;
Scarcely felt the vessel's motion,
When we heard from out afar
Softly pealing,
Gently stealing,
Silv'ry bells in volleys ringing.
Ringing out in holy glee;
E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
E'en to us glad tidings bringing,
Christmas bells at sea.
Wrapt in awe around them gazing,
Mute the crew in wonder stand,
Whence could come those sounds amazing,
Far from sight or sound of land?
Rising, falling,
Home recalling,
Thoughts of home and heaven bringing,
Sure a silent mystery
'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
'Twas to hear their silv'ry ringing,
Christmas Bells at sea.
Vain Thy ways, O Heaven, to measure:
Who thy secrets can divine?
In our hearts enough to treasure
Tokens of Thy love benign
Where no steeple
Calls its people
Tidings of a Saviour bringing,
Angel hands are set by Thee
From a cloud-built belfry ringing
From a cloud-built belfry ringing
Christmas Bells at sea.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The procedure you sent was revised a bit when I got the plans from Mr
Payson. It recommends a 58" long straight tiller also several other
modifications (Mast step, Bowspirit Slot, Chines, Tiller all have new notes)
I can send you a copy for future ref if your interested? I'm going to start
on some of the smaller pieces in my apartment over the next while since I
can easily take them when I move (LOL assuming my wife doesn't kill me
first).
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Steve
_____
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
gregory_west2001
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:03 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Learning to sail ..
I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side
plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
comes at least 6" into the cockpit.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "David C."
<d.cassidy@...> wrote:
bolt.
you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink
weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
<http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL>
fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
boat.
Payson. It recommends a 58" long straight tiller also several other
modifications (Mast step, Bowspirit Slot, Chines, Tiller all have new notes)
I can send you a copy for future ref if your interested? I'm going to start
on some of the smaller pieces in my apartment over the next while since I
can easily take them when I move (LOL assuming my wife doesn't kill me
first).
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Steve
_____
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
gregory_west2001
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:03 AM
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Learning to sail ..
I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side
plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
comes at least 6" into the cockpit.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> com, "David C."
<d.cassidy@...> wrote:
>hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a
> Steve -
>
> Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade
bolt.
>Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives
> If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim
you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink
weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
>http://marina.
>
<http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL>
fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
>it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little
>
> I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe
boat.
>people
> DC
>
>
> ---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
> > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
> > from Mr Payson.
> >
> > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many
> > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have beenworking
> > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also thethis
> > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
> > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
> > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
> > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
> > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> > Merry Christmas!
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------
>
I found an old kickup rudder with a long tiller and aluminum side
plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
comes at least 6" into the cockpit.
plates from an old dinghy (without a blade) for $30 at a local used
sailboat parts store in St. Augustine (www.Sailors-Exchange.com) and
cut a blade for it that roughly matched the plans. One thing you
will want, however you make your kickup rudder, is a tiller that
comes at least 6" into the cockpit.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David C." <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
>
> Steve -
>
> Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade
hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a
bolt.
>
> If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim
Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives
you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink
weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
>
>
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
>
>
> I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe
it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little
boat.
>
> DC
>
>
> ---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
> > Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
> > from Mr Payson.
> >
> > At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many
people
> > have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been
working
> > on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
> > Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
> > please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
> > just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
this
> > group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -
34 Deg
> > C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
> >
> >
> > Merry Christmas!
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------
>
Steve -
Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a bolt.
If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little boat.
DC
---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
Don't over think the kick up rudder. As long as you're ruder blade hangs to the proper designed depth, it's just a blade hanging from a bolt.
If you haven't seen it yet, here's an essay about rudders from Jim Michalak. Just the little drawing (combined with your plans) gives you enough info to build a kick up rudder. Adding the lead sink weight at the bottom is key -- makes it so much more convenient.
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
I've always loved the Surf - I've had the plans for years. Maybe it's that cute, little bowsprit, but it sure looks like a fine little boat.
DC
---- Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
> Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
> from Mr Payson.
>
> At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
> have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been working
> on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
> Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
> please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
> just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of this
> group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
> C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
>
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Steve
>
>
>
> ---------
Hi,
From memory I think on my Surf I used the rudder design for Bolgers
Gypsy, which is available in Paysons Instant Boats. It was easy to
make and works fine. I cast a bit of lead into mine to keep it from
floating up.
Cheers,
Col
From memory I think on my Surf I used the rudder design for Bolgers
Gypsy, which is available in Paysons Instant Boats. It was easy to
make and works fine. I cast a bit of lead into mine to keep it from
floating up.
Cheers,
Col
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
>
> Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
> from Mr Payson.
>
> At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
> have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been
working
> on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
> Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
> please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
> just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of
this
> group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34
Deg
> C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
>
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Steve
>
Bolger Surf (Crab Skiff).. Just got the plans by mail two days ago
from Mr Payson.
At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been working
on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of this
group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
Merry Christmas!
Steve
from Mr Payson.
At the moment I am focusing on the kick up Rudder since many people
have recommended it to me. An Autocad drawing that I have been working
on was uploaded to the "Files" Section of this Group and also the
Canadian Boat Builder Group. If anyone has any suggestions on it
please let me know -- It is a work in progress; thus my drawing is
just a first draft. I suspect some of the more salty members of this
group will find mistakes right away. any input is appreciated! -34 Deg
C (-29F) = lots of time to study plans :)
Merry Christmas!
Steve
I overbuilt the leeboard arms with stock 2x2's (rather than the 3/4"
x 1 1/2" shown as the minimum size on the plans) and have not had any
problem with them.
I have heard of people actually breaking the leeboards on this boat,
but I have not had that problem either (nor any problem with it
warping). I built my leeboard by epoxying together two sheets of
1/4" marine plywood as shown on the plans. The plans suggest that a
3/4" leeboard would be better.
x 1 1/2" shown as the minimum size on the plans) and have not had any
problem with them.
I have heard of people actually breaking the leeboards on this boat,
but I have not had that problem either (nor any problem with it
warping). I built my leeboard by epoxying together two sheets of
1/4" marine plywood as shown on the plans. The plans suggest that a
3/4" leeboard would be better.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Loy Seal" <loyseal1@...> wrote:
>
> Here is a link to an article on small boat rudders.
>
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL
%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
>
> This is included in Jim Michalak's book "Boatbuilding for
Beginners."
> I built my Surf's kick up rudder using this. I have broken several
> leeboard arms inside the boat and have now switched to the Junebug
> leeboard mount which is a slot mounted on the gunwales and chines.
It
> is made from 1 x 2's. Enjoy the build.
> Loy
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> >
> > Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
> > decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
> > mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
> > there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf
that
> > were written does anyone know if these are still available or
which
> > magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
> > mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone
run
> > into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
> > appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
> >
> > LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
> > Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400
Revo's
> > ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the
glasses.
> > Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and
the
> > wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on
the
> > lake;)
> >
> > Steven R
> > Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs
that
> > > are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have
your
> > > local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales,
if you
> > > don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to
sail, can
> > > be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can
be
> > > bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
> > > specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit
heavier
> > > than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after
decks
> > > and install access plates). It also rows great with one or
two, and
> > > we often take it out just for a row.
> > >
> > > "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was
not
> > > designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss
house
> > > paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks
fine
> > > (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick
build.
> > >
> > > If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder
if you
> > > are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater
dock,
> > > since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
> > > without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground.
I
> > > tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic
Seaport at
> > > low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending
amusement. I
> > > spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a
couple
> > > of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it
was
> > > designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would
certainly
> > > want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in
mind,
> > > but
> > > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best
boat to
> > > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet
beamy and
> > > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too
much
> > > > about tipping over.
> > > >
> > > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
> > > neophyte.
> > > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and
comment from
> > > an
> > > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
> > > familiarity.
> > > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
> > > >
> > > >http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
> > > >
> > > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David G
> > > >
> > > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of
ignorance is
> > > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
> > > >
> > > > ***************
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning
to sail
> > > on a
> > > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
> > > Racer, Car
> > > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts
or other
> > > > > plans to consider?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in Advance
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Here is a link to an article on small boat rudders.
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
This is included in Jim Michalak's book "Boatbuilding for Beginners."
I built my Surf's kick up rudder using this. I have broken several
leeboard arms inside the boat and have now switched to the Junebug
leeboard mount which is a slot mounted on the gunwales and chines. It
is made from 1 x 2's. Enjoy the build.
Loy
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2001/0715/index.htm#SMALL%20BOAT%20RUDDERS
This is included in Jim Michalak's book "Boatbuilding for Beginners."
I built my Surf's kick up rudder using this. I have broken several
leeboard arms inside the boat and have now switched to the Junebug
leeboard mount which is a slot mounted on the gunwales and chines. It
is made from 1 x 2's. Enjoy the build.
Loy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
>
> Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
> decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
> mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
> there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf that
> were written does anyone know if these are still available or which
> magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
> mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone run
> into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
> appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
>
> LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
> Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400 Revo's
> ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the glasses.
> Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and the
> wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on the
> lake;)
>
> Steven R
> Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@> wrote:
> >
> > Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
> > are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
> > local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
> > don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
> > be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
> > bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
> > specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
> > than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
> > and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
> > we often take it out just for a row.
> >
> > "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
> > designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
> > paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
> > (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
> >
> > If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
> > are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
> > since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
> > without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
> > tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
> > low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
> > spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
> > of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
> > designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
> > want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
> > but
> > > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> > > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> > > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> > > about tipping over.
> > >
> > > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
> > neophyte.
> > > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
> > an
> > > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
> > familiarity.
> > > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
> > >
> > >http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
> > >
> > > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David G
> > >
> > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> > > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
> > >
> > > ***************
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
> > on a
> > > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
> > Racer, Car
> > > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> > > > plans to consider?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in Advance
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Since the common consensus seems to be with the Surf (Crab Skiff)I
decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf that
were written does anyone know if these are still available or which
magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone run
into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400 Revo's
ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the glasses.
Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and the
wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on the
lake;)
Steven R
Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
decided to Purchase the Plans & Instant Boats today :)(via snail
mail). I've been doing a fair amount of reading on the topic and
there has been mention of two articles about Building the Surf that
were written does anyone know if these are still available or which
magazines they had been published in?. Also a few people have
mentioned a kick up rudder & modified centerboard - has anyone run
into a plan for these specific to the Surf? Other info is greatly
appreciated and thank you everyone for all your input thus far:)
LOL Mr G West I can relate with the amused wife. I went over in a
Kayak last summer inside a Lock with my new sunglasses ($400 Revo's
ack) spent most of the day down river trying to dive for the glasses.
Needless to say I'm the proud new owner of cheapo replica's and the
wife still takes the odd poke about seeing the glint of Revo's on the
lake;)
Steven R
Lesson of the day .... Don't wear your Revo's on the water :p
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gregory_west2001" <gwest@...> wrote:
>
> Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
> are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
> local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
> don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
> be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
> bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
> specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
> than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
> and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
> we often take it out just for a row.
>
> "Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
> designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
> paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
> (or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
>
> If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
> are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
> since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
> without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
> tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
> low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
> spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
> of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
> designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
> want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
> but
> > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> > about tipping over.
> >
> > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
> neophyte.
> > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
> an
> > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
> familiarity.
> > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
> >
> >http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
> >
> > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David G
> >
> > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
> on a
> > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
> Racer, Car
> > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> > > plans to consider?
> > >
> > > Thanks in Advance
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
>
I have a Surf and I love it. It was very easy and fast to build from
good old BC pine ply and spruce construction grade lumber and it is
three years old. I only covered the bottom up to the water line with
epoxy and fiberglass. Pictures can be seen on Bolger 6. I made it from
the plans in "Instant Boats."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger6/photos/album/1200470210/pic/list
I highly recommend it for a first boat. My first boat was an Elegant
Punt and I still have the same sail and mast after seven years.
Loy
good old BC pine ply and spruce construction grade lumber and it is
three years old. I only covered the bottom up to the water line with
epoxy and fiberglass. Pictures can be seen on Bolger 6. I made it from
the plans in "Instant Boats."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger6/photos/album/1200470210/pic/list
I highly recommend it for a first boat. My first boat was an Elegant
Punt and I still have the same sail and mast after seven years.
Loy
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steven DAntonio" <sdantonio93@...> wrote:
>
> Regarding the Teal being tippy. One of the ideas that was mentioned
> to me is as following (I'm cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post)
>
> ....I modified both boats by building them with a tombstone-type
> transom which , according to Mr. Payson, makes the boat a bit less
> tender...tender, of course, is a nautical term meaning "easy to turn
> over"....it's a versatile little craft.. rows fairly well for a
> sailboat and sails fairly well for a rowboat....I sail it with a
> lateen sail similar to a Sunfish sail, though a bit smaller...
>
> These modifications are not in Paysons book and PCB mentioned to me
> that he would prefer them made unmodified.
>
> PCB also suggested to me the Windsprint instead of the Teal. Either
> way, make your sail so it can be reefed and that may help you stay
> upright too (see articles in the link for reefing sharpie sails).
>http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm
>
> Steven
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
> > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> > about tipping over.
> >
> > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
> > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
> > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
> > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
> >
> >http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
> >
> > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David G
> >
> > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to
sail on a
> > > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
Racer, Car
> > > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> > > plans to consider?
> > >
> > > Thanks in Advance
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
>
Regarding the Teal being tippy. One of the ideas that was mentioned
to me is as following (I'm cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post)
....I modified both boats by building them with a tombstone-type
transom which , according to Mr. Payson, makes the boat a bit less
tender...tender, of course, is a nautical term meaning "easy to turn
over"....it's a versatile little craft.. rows fairly well for a
sailboat and sails fairly well for a rowboat....I sail it with a
lateen sail similar to a Sunfish sail, though a bit smaller...
These modifications are not in Paysons book and PCB mentioned to me
that he would prefer them made unmodified.
PCB also suggested to me the Windsprint instead of the Teal. Either
way, make your sail so it can be reefed and that may help you stay
upright too (see articles in the link for reefing sharpie sails).
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm
Steven
to me is as following (I'm cutting and pasting from a April 2007 post)
....I modified both boats by building them with a tombstone-type
transom which , according to Mr. Payson, makes the boat a bit less
tender...tender, of course, is a nautical term meaning "easy to turn
over"....it's a versatile little craft.. rows fairly well for a
sailboat and sails fairly well for a rowboat....I sail it with a
lateen sail similar to a Sunfish sail, though a bit smaller...
These modifications are not in Paysons book and PCB mentioned to me
that he would prefer them made unmodified.
PCB also suggested to me the Windsprint instead of the Teal. Either
way, make your sail so it can be reefed and that may help you stay
upright too (see articles in the link for reefing sharpie sails).
http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/michalak/alphabetical.htm
Steven
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
> - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> about tipping over.
>
> I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
> One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
> outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
> And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
>
>http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
>
> If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
>
> "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
>
> ***************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> >
> > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
> > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
> > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> > plans to consider?
> >
> > Thanks in Advance
> > Steve
> >
>
I built a bobcat as my first boat building project. Was it a good
choice for a first boat??? I don't know, I didn't know any better
at the time. I didn't know that there were easier boats to build. I
built it because I thought it was a beautful boat. It took about a
year to build working in my spare time when I felt like it.
The Bobcat is a great sailing boat, I completed the Texas200 in mine
and I had no complaints. I wasn't able to make it across San Antonio
Bay to weather and that doesn't bother me (about 10 other boats
couln't make it either all bigger than mine). It wasn't that I
couldn't go to weather, it was because the wave action was out of
control. Another sailor that abandoned his attempt as well described
it as sailing in a washing machine.
The Gaff Rig of the Bocat provides a lot of sail area for Texas
waters, especially since we have a lot of days with 15mph plus winds.
There is a little bit of a learning curve to the rig for these
conditions, but all and all I love my boat.
In the end you have to build a boat that you can love.
Bobby Chilek
choice for a first boat??? I don't know, I didn't know any better
at the time. I didn't know that there were easier boats to build. I
built it because I thought it was a beautful boat. It took about a
year to build working in my spare time when I felt like it.
The Bobcat is a great sailing boat, I completed the Texas200 in mine
and I had no complaints. I wasn't able to make it across San Antonio
Bay to weather and that doesn't bother me (about 10 other boats
couln't make it either all bigger than mine). It wasn't that I
couldn't go to weather, it was because the wave action was out of
control. Another sailor that abandoned his attempt as well described
it as sailing in a washing machine.
The Gaff Rig of the Bocat provides a lot of sail area for Texas
waters, especially since we have a lot of days with 15mph plus winds.
There is a little bit of a learning curve to the rig for these
conditions, but all and all I love my boat.
In the end you have to build a boat that you can love.
Bobby Chilek
I can endorse Rubens Nymph for your purposes. I sail mine on a 40
acre lake. It is very appropriate for that small space. It is
suitably stable for a beginner. I normally sit on the center seat,
maybe one cheek to windward. The build is not too hard. Tough parts
were forcing the bottom panel to the curve required and getting the
right shape for the bilge panels. (These plans were drawn before
computer generated panel shapes, so the bilge panel shape on the plans
is just a starting point. But stitch and glue does not need precise
fits.)
My only reservation for a beginner is the lack of built-in flotation.
If you capsize, it will be hard to self rescue. Consider adding some
foam or airbags. I would think high on the sides amidships would be
best, so that it would float high on its side if it goes over and
right without much water inside. The only time I ever had a hint of a
problem was going dead downwind and the boat started rolling from side
to side, a common quirk. You would need a gale or some very bad luck
to make it go over on other points of sail.
The tiller can be much shorter than shown on the plans, so it is not
too much in the way.
The boat rows very well too, even carrying three people. I suspect it
would make a fine dingy for a cruising boat, but I do not know how
well it would tow.
Doug
acre lake. It is very appropriate for that small space. It is
suitably stable for a beginner. I normally sit on the center seat,
maybe one cheek to windward. The build is not too hard. Tough parts
were forcing the bottom panel to the curve required and getting the
right shape for the bilge panels. (These plans were drawn before
computer generated panel shapes, so the bilge panel shape on the plans
is just a starting point. But stitch and glue does not need precise
fits.)
My only reservation for a beginner is the lack of built-in flotation.
If you capsize, it will be hard to self rescue. Consider adding some
foam or airbags. I would think high on the sides amidships would be
best, so that it would float high on its side if it goes over and
right without much water inside. The only time I ever had a hint of a
problem was going dead downwind and the boat started rolling from side
to side, a common quirk. You would need a gale or some very bad luck
to make it go over on other points of sail.
The tiller can be much shorter than shown on the plans, so it is not
too much in the way.
The boat rows very well too, even carrying three people. I suspect it
would make a fine dingy for a cruising boat, but I do not know how
well it would tow.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
>
> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> plans to consider?
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Steve
>
That's a great idea. One of my boating club owns one of these which
I've seen sail. It's a nice performer, easy to build, and quite
stable. He likes his a lot.
Cheers,
David G
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes"
***************
I've seen sail. It's a nice performer, easy to build, and quite
stable. He likes his a lot.
Cheers,
David G
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes"
***************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, welshman@... wrote:
>
> How about June Bug, easy to build and stable
>
>http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
>
> I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size
an shape but
> you would have to pull the fore and aft seat for sailing. I have
built a couple of
> them, very cheap and easy to build.
>
> HJ
>
> Steve,
> >
> > I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
> > - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> > learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> > stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> > about tipping over.
> >
> > I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
> > One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
> > outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
> > And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
> >
> >http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
> >
> > If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David G
> >
> > "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> > just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
on a
> >> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
Racer, Car
> >> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> >> plans to consider?
> >>
> >> Thanks in Advance
> >> Steve
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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posts
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Bolger's "Surf" is as easy to build as "Teal" (with chine logs that
are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
we often take it out just for a row.
"Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
(or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
are about 16' long on the outside of the hull that you can have your
local moulding supplier rip for you, along with the gunwales, if you
don't want to mess with cutting them yourself), is a joy to sail, can
be built fairly light (mine's just under 120 pounds), and can be
bailed out if it goes over (provided you put in the flotation
specified in the plans (which would probably make it a bit heavier
than mine) or, as I did, just seal in under the fore and after decks
and install access plates). It also rows great with one or two, and
we often take it out just for a row.
"Surf" also doesn't need any epoxy or fiberglass, since it was not
designed as an "instant" boat. Mine is painted with semi-gloss house
paint and has been outside now for four years and still looks fine
(or at least as good as when I made it). It is a very quick build.
If you like "Surf," I would strongly suggest a kick-up rudder if you
are going to sail it anywhere except to and from a deepwater dock,
since it is a real pain to crawl out over that long after deck
without falling in to get at the rudder if the boat is aground. I
tried to free the rudder three years ago out from Mystic Seaport at
low tide, and fell overboard to my wife's neverending amusement. I
spoke to Phil Bolger about that (not my falling overboard) a couple
of years ago at the Wooden Boat show in Newport and he said it was
designed before kick-up rudders were in vogue and he would certainly
want a kickup rudder on the boat now.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind,
but
> - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> about tipping over.
>
> I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a
neophyte.
> One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from
an
> outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more
familiarity.
> And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
>
>http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
>
> If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
>
> "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
>
> ***************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@> wrote:
> >
> > Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail
on a
> > Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate
Racer, Car
> > Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> > plans to consider?
> >
> > Thanks in Advance
> > Steve
> >
>
How about June Bug, easy to build and stable
http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size an shape but
you would have to pull the fore and aft seat for sailing. I have built a couple of
them, very cheap and easy to build.
HJ
Steve,
http://www.akzeigers.com/JB.html
I learned to sale in an El Toro, the Elegant Punt is similar in size an shape but
you would have to pull the fore and aft seat for sailing. I have built a couple of
them, very cheap and easy to build.
HJ
Steve,
>
> I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
> - off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
> learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
> stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
> about tipping over.
>
> I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
> One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
> outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
> And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
>
>http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
>
> If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
>
> "A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
> just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
>
> ***************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
>>
>> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
>> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
>> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
>> plans to consider?
>>
>> Thanks in Advance
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
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> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
Steve,
I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
- off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
about tipping over.
I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
Cheers,
David G
"A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
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I haven't been back over each of these with you question in mind, but
- off the top - I'd say that the Bobcat would be the best boat to
learn to sail in. Small enough to handle by yourself, yet beamy and
stable enough to let you learn the ropes without worrying too much
about tipping over.
I think I'll disagree about Teal. Too small and tippy for a neophyte.
One of my boating club has one. I'll post his foto and comment from an
outing last summer. His opinion hasn't changed with more familiarity.
And he's a moderately experienced sailor:
http://waderweb.com/boats/160/080719_hagg/hagglake_start.htm
If the Bobcat is too big a project... maybe Surf?
Cheers,
David G
"A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is
just as bad" -- Bob Edwards
***************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
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> Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
> Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
> Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
> plans to consider?
>
> Thanks in Advance
> Steve
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if this is your first building project, I would second Don -- look at Teal.
Of the boats you mention, Cartopper would make an OK first project, too, but the building of Teal is laid out step by step in one of Dynamite's books and would be a very easy first project. You could also look at the Elegant Punt (for something that can be moved in the back of a pick up) or Surf.
I'm not that familiar with Pirate Racer, but unless you are already an accomplished woodworker in other areas, I would suggest that Bobcat is a bit much to take on as a first boatbuilding project.
David C
---- Don Ellenbrook <dschurricanes@...> wrote:
Of the boats you mention, Cartopper would make an OK first project, too, but the building of Teal is laid out step by step in one of Dynamite's books and would be a very easy first project. You could also look at the Elegant Punt (for something that can be moved in the back of a pick up) or Surf.
I'm not that familiar with Pirate Racer, but unless you are already an accomplished woodworker in other areas, I would suggest that Bobcat is a bit much to take on as a first boatbuilding project.
David C
---- Don Ellenbrook <dschurricanes@...> wrote:
> I would take a look @ Teal
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I would take a look @ Teal
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Steve <paradox_4@...> wrote:
From: Steve <paradox_4@...>
Subject: [bolger] Learning to sail ..
To:Bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:06 AM
Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
plans to consider?
Thanks in Advance
Steve
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Any opinions on which boat would be the best for learning to sail on a
Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
plans to consider?
Thanks in Advance
Steve
Small Lake ... Plans I have been considering are the Pirate Racer, Car
Topper, Bobcat, and possibly Rubens Nymph .. any thoughts or other
plans to consider?
Thanks in Advance
Steve