Re: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolger's Plywood 12 1/2 sea trials
Had to go to Google for the Morrisey Shinn, not very often that I see a
totally unknown A/C. Good luck, those are huge time sinks.
HJ
hobie_ind wrote:
totally unknown A/C. Good luck, those are huge time sinks.
HJ
hobie_ind wrote:
> About 3 years restoring a 1961 Morrisey-Shinn Model 2150A (only about
> 40 of them built in the early '60's), then spent a bunch of time this
> last year recovering the bottom wings on an Acrosport II biplane and
> fixing miscellaneous engine issues. Currently building a Christen
> Eagle biplane which should tie up most of my project time for the next
> couple of years. Then we'll be back into building boats.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> Gotta ask, what airplane?
>>
>> HJ
>>
>>
>
>
Thanks for the info. I'll have to send away to PB&F to get an updated
set of drawings.
Regards,
Mark
set of drawings.
Regards,
Mark
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > an update on the latest drawings from Bolger or your own
modification?
>
> A couple years back, PB&F updated the Plywood 12 1/2 design. If my
> memory serves me, the major part of the change was adding about six
> inches to the sheer strake (or combing?) to increase the freeboard.
>
About 3 years restoring a 1961 Morrisey-Shinn Model 2150A (only about
40 of them built in the early '60's), then spent a bunch of time this
last year recovering the bottom wings on an Acrosport II biplane and
fixing miscellaneous engine issues. Currently building a Christen
Eagle biplane which should tie up most of my project time for the next
couple of years. Then we'll be back into building boats.
40 of them built in the early '60's), then spent a bunch of time this
last year recovering the bottom wings on an Acrosport II biplane and
fixing miscellaneous engine issues. Currently building a Christen
Eagle biplane which should tie up most of my project time for the next
couple of years. Then we'll be back into building boats.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Gotta ask, what airplane?
>
> HJ
>
> an update on the latest drawings from Bolger or your own modification?A couple years back, PB&F updated the Plywood 12 1/2 design. If my
memory serves me, the major part of the change was adding about six
inches to the sheer strake (or combing?) to increase the freeboard.
Gotta ask, what airplane?
HJ
hobie_ind wrote:
HJ
hobie_ind wrote:
> Outstanding photos and great to see someone get a full size Plywood 12-1/2 onto the
> water! It looks like you did a spectacular job on the construction and the details such as
> the castings.
>
> I've got to dig up my drawings, but the keel design seems to have changed considerably
> from what I remember (both the ballast attachment design and the ballast weight). Is that
> an update on the latest drawings from Bolger or your own modification? Either way, I think
> it's a great improvement as that was the only area of the design that concerned me.
>
> The drawings I have also show a Solent lug rig as an alternative to the rig you have. I still
> haven't decided which I will go with. Unfortunately I'm still a few years away from building
> one as it will probably wait until we move to eastern Canada, but your pictures sure do
> whet the appetite again.
>
> Since I built the model (I can't believe it's been almost 7 years!), I moved from Indonesia
> back to Canada, and have been sidetracked with a few other projects (restoring an old
> military jeep, an airplane and am now in the middle of building another plane), but the
> Plywood 12-1/2 has always stayed in the back of my mind and on the master project list.
> But the problem with living where there's not a lot of water is that it's a bit more difficult
> to get engaged in building a sailboat you'll only use a couple weeks a year! I still think it'll
> be a great boat to keep at our cabin on the Gatineau River near Ottawa eventually, but for
> now the plastic boat out there will have to suffice during the summers.
>
> Again, great job and thanks for sharing the pictures - I'm definitely jealous!
>
> Mark Oliver
>
> PS> How many hours do you think you have in the construction??
>
>
Outstanding photos and great to see someone get a full size Plywood 12-1/2 onto the
water! It looks like you did a spectacular job on the construction and the details such as
the castings.
I've got to dig up my drawings, but the keel design seems to have changed considerably
from what I remember (both the ballast attachment design and the ballast weight). Is that
an update on the latest drawings from Bolger or your own modification? Either way, I think
it's a great improvement as that was the only area of the design that concerned me.
The drawings I have also show a Solent lug rig as an alternative to the rig you have. I still
haven't decided which I will go with. Unfortunately I'm still a few years away from building
one as it will probably wait until we move to eastern Canada, but your pictures sure do
whet the appetite again.
Since I built the model (I can't believe it's been almost 7 years!), I moved from Indonesia
back to Canada, and have been sidetracked with a few other projects (restoring an old
military jeep, an airplane and am now in the middle of building another plane), but the
Plywood 12-1/2 has always stayed in the back of my mind and on the master project list.
But the problem with living where there's not a lot of water is that it's a bit more difficult
to get engaged in building a sailboat you'll only use a couple weeks a year! I still think it'll
be a great boat to keep at our cabin on the Gatineau River near Ottawa eventually, but for
now the plastic boat out there will have to suffice during the summers.
Again, great job and thanks for sharing the pictures - I'm definitely jealous!
Mark Oliver
PS> How many hours do you think you have in the construction??
water! It looks like you did a spectacular job on the construction and the details such as
the castings.
I've got to dig up my drawings, but the keel design seems to have changed considerably
from what I remember (both the ballast attachment design and the ballast weight). Is that
an update on the latest drawings from Bolger or your own modification? Either way, I think
it's a great improvement as that was the only area of the design that concerned me.
The drawings I have also show a Solent lug rig as an alternative to the rig you have. I still
haven't decided which I will go with. Unfortunately I'm still a few years away from building
one as it will probably wait until we move to eastern Canada, but your pictures sure do
whet the appetite again.
Since I built the model (I can't believe it's been almost 7 years!), I moved from Indonesia
back to Canada, and have been sidetracked with a few other projects (restoring an old
military jeep, an airplane and am now in the middle of building another plane), but the
Plywood 12-1/2 has always stayed in the back of my mind and on the master project list.
But the problem with living where there's not a lot of water is that it's a bit more difficult
to get engaged in building a sailboat you'll only use a couple weeks a year! I still think it'll
be a great boat to keep at our cabin on the Gatineau River near Ottawa eventually, but for
now the plastic boat out there will have to suffice during the summers.
Again, great job and thanks for sharing the pictures - I'm definitely jealous!
Mark Oliver
PS> How many hours do you think you have in the construction??
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome of sea
> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
> 20trials/
> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
>
> PS -- Not a Bolger design,That is a neat bridge too.. elegant, extremely user friendly, probably
relatively cheap ( compare to the Brisbane pedestrian "Goodwill" bridge
for instance), rethought and simplified in a Bolger kind'a way -
compare to the coathanger in the background (and it's extremely long,
user unfriendly on-ramps from far beyond the main thoroughfares along
the river banks).
cheers
Graeme
I don't remember. I am sure that concrete ballast could work, but the
complexity of building a curvy keel box would take time $$$. The fin
keel with a lead casting is such an elegant solution, like with Micro.
I think the 'electric spartina' is comparable, where PCB designed a
box keel, ballasted with lead acid batteries powering an electric
motor.
complexity of building a curvy keel box would take time $$$. The fin
keel with a lead casting is such an elegant solution, like with Micro.
I think the 'electric spartina' is comparable, where PCB designed a
box keel, ballasted with lead acid batteries powering an electric
motor.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
> Bruce
>
> Your concrete ballast solution wouldn't change anything would it? Just
> less free flooding area and a small probably unmeasurable increase in
> pitching moment? Seems like a really good idea in the current lead market.
>
> HJ
Bruce
Your concrete ballast solution wouldn't change anything would it? Just
less free flooding area and a small probably unmeasurable increase in
pitching moment? Seems like a really good idea in the current lead market.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
Your concrete ballast solution wouldn't change anything would it? Just
less free flooding area and a small probably unmeasurable increase in
pitching moment? Seems like a really good idea in the current lead market.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Myles J. Swift
> <mswift@...> wrote:
>
>> Is there a link to details or study plans on this design?
>>
>
> I made an isometric rendering too,
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1372236965/
>
>http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/plywood125/
>
>
>
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Myles J. Swift
<mswift@...> wrote:
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1372236965/
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/plywood125/
<mswift@...> wrote:
> Is there a link to details or study plans on this design?I made an isometric rendering too,
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/1372236965/
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/plywood125/
It's # 29 in the "Book Boats With an Open Mind" which is still in print
and widely available plus the original SBJ Cartoon
http://councill.home.mindspring.com/sbjournal/bolger/bolger1.html
How do you like your Tortoise?
HJ
Myles J. Swift wrote:
and widely available plus the original SBJ Cartoon
http://councill.home.mindspring.com/sbjournal/bolger/bolger1.html
How do you like your Tortoise?
HJ
Myles J. Swift wrote:
> Is there a link to details or study plans on this design?
>
> MylesJ
>
> Micro
> June Bug
> Tortoise
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
Is there a link to details or study plans on this design?
MylesJ
Micro
June Bug
Tortoise
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
MylesJ
Micro
June Bug
Tortoise
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For those of you having problems with photos
of the Bolger Plywood 12-1/2, try this URL:
http://tinyurl.com/5tht4r
-=Grant=-
PS -- Not a Bolger design, but an interesting boat,
nevertheless:
http://www.grantmaclaren.com/turbinia
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of the Bolger Plywood 12-1/2, try this URL:
http://tinyurl.com/5tht4r
-=Grant=-
PS -- Not a Bolger design, but an interesting boat,
nevertheless:
http://www.grantmaclaren.com/turbinia
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I agree with David G. -- those are great photos. Thanks, Gerard!
For future reference, if one wraps a URL inside those chevron
thingies, the URL is supposed to stay unbroken. For example, this one
would be:
<http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%20trials/
Eric
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For future reference, if one wraps a URL inside those chevron
thingies, the URL is supposed to stay unbroken. For example, this one
would be:
<http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%20trials/
>Best,
Eric
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On 11-Dec-08, at 9:41 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> There is a 'wrapping problem' with the URL. Use cut and paste to get
> the whole long url, on my PC the "20trials/" is chopped off the end of
> the URL and needed to be pasted back on...
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:23 AM, titanicslim <titanicslim@...>
> wrote:
> > How are you finding that page? I just keep getting "not a valid url"
> > or something.
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome
> of sea
> >> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of
> wind
> >> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
> >> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability.
> I have
> >> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
> >> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
> >> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more
> detail.
> >> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
> >> 20trials/
> >> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
> >>
> >
> >
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She's a beauty. I've long wondered how she would sail, and I'm very
glad to hear your glowing report. A very neat job indeed!
Dave
glad to hear your glowing report. A very neat job indeed!
Dave
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> There is a 'wrapping problem' with the URL. Use cut and paste to get
> the whole long url, on my PC the "20trials/" is chopped off the end of
> the URL and needed to be pasted back on...
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:23 AM, titanicslim <titanicslim@...> wrote:
> > How are you finding that page? I just keep getting "not a valid url"
> > or something.
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome
of sea
> >> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
> >> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
> >> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability.
I have
> >> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
> >> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
> >> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more
detail.
> >> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
> >> 20trials/
> >> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
> >>
> >
> >
>
There is a 'wrapping problem' with the URL. Use cut and paste to get
the whole long url, on my PC the "20trials/" is chopped off the end of
the URL and needed to be pasted back on...
the whole long url, on my PC the "20trials/" is chopped off the end of
the URL and needed to be pasted back on...
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:23 AM, titanicslim <titanicslim@...> wrote:
> How are you finding that page? I just keep getting "not a valid url"
> or something.
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome of sea
>> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
>> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
>> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
>> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
>> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
>> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
>> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
>> 20trials/
>> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
>>
>
>
How are you finding that page? I just keep getting "not a valid url"
or something.
or something.
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome of sea
> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
> 20trials/
> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
>
Great fotos. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
"Like as the waves make toward the pebbled shore, so do our minutes
hasten to their end" -- W. Shakespeare
****************
Cheers,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
"Like as the waves make toward the pebbled shore, so do our minutes
hasten to their end" -- W. Shakespeare
****************
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "schwabgerard" <schwabgerard@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome of sea
> trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
> to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
> boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
> been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
> problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
> below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
> http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
> 20trials/
> Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
>
Hi Everone, just wanted to give an update to everone on outcome of sea
trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
20trials/
Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.
trials for the Plywood 12 1/2. Sails great, needs 15-18 knots of wind
to get rail down. Very stiff and comfortable to sail, feels like a
boat twice her size. I'am very pleased with her sailing ability. I have
been out in 30+ knots of wind with only one reef in main and had no
problems sailing or handling the boat solo. Take a look at the link
below and enjoy the slidshow or view pictures close up for more detail.
http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/gmschwab/Plywood125-sea%
20trials/
Make sure you get 2nd line to complete link to Photo-Bucket.