Re: Another Chebacco Q, - C'board vs full keel?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mcdennyw" <dwolfe@...> wrote:
back. Here's a thumbnail sketch:
I left Portland, ME in early Sept. and sailed to Marthas Vineyard making
overnight anchorages at Biddeford, Perkins Cove and Hampton Beach, NH.
It was all windward work until NH and then it was all downhill to Oak
Bluffs, MA. I went out aroung Cape Ann as I was unaware that there is a
canal through to Gloucesster. Sailing across Massachusetts Bay was the
first time I sailed out of sight of land and I was a bit spooked. I saw
a whale. I spent two weeks on MV before heading south.
I then sailed to New York City. Stops included Pt Judith Pond, RI,
Clinton, CT, Cockenoe Island, and finally Liberty State Park in NJ.
Almost all of this sailing was reaching or downhill. I spent a week in
New York City, then headed south.
I went down the ICW through NJ anchoring near Brick Twp, Atlantic City,
Wildwood and finally Cape May. This was about sixty percent motoring
including one whole day with a 20 kt wind on the nose. I hung out at
Cape May for a couple of days and then headed up the Delaware River.
This is where I almost killed myself by narrowly avoiding and beiing
avoided by a freighter a couple of hours after dark. These ships really
haul ass. I anchored just south of the entrance to the C and D canal.
Then it was on to Annapolis with a stop at Chesapeake City and at Still
Pond.
And so forth. This is getting boring, but some comments before I quit.
The Chebacco handled all the conditions it encountered with aplomb,
though I was watchful of the weather and did spend some time waiting for
favorable conditions. The worst conditions I encountered were two or
three times with four to five foot waves running against the current;
i.e. short and choppy. Samantha would make some quite impressive slams
when I sailed her off some of these square waves. Frightened me at first
until I realized the boat wasn't going to fall apart. I towed a Nymph
and she never shipped a bit of water. Likewise the Chebacco - nice and
dry.
Living arangements were rather posh. Nice large double berth. Sitting
headroom settees and a small table. I cooked on a propane campstove and
ate mostly canned or dried foods as I had no refrigeration or cooler. I
drank my daily G&T's at bilge temperature. I navigated using a
bottom-of-the-line GPS and paper charts. I had lights, VHF, and a
magnetic compass. I used "Skipper Bob's" guide extensively for
anchorages.
The trip back north the next spring was mostly a repeat, except Core
Sound and going outside from Cape May toward NYC. I spent the summer
cruising Maine waters from Portland to Bar Harbor to Bangor.
paul
>up
> Thanks for the info, Paul. I especially appreciate the hard data (as
> opposed to 'she goes to weather well). Anyone out there have similar
> VMG GPS data for the centerboard version?
>
> On another note, I read somewhere else you sailed your Chebacco from
> Maine down to the Carolina's. Is that true, if so, is there a write
> about it on the net anywhere?I never did write an account of my trip from Maine to North Carolina and
>
> Denny
>
back. Here's a thumbnail sketch:
I left Portland, ME in early Sept. and sailed to Marthas Vineyard making
overnight anchorages at Biddeford, Perkins Cove and Hampton Beach, NH.
It was all windward work until NH and then it was all downhill to Oak
Bluffs, MA. I went out aroung Cape Ann as I was unaware that there is a
canal through to Gloucesster. Sailing across Massachusetts Bay was the
first time I sailed out of sight of land and I was a bit spooked. I saw
a whale. I spent two weeks on MV before heading south.
I then sailed to New York City. Stops included Pt Judith Pond, RI,
Clinton, CT, Cockenoe Island, and finally Liberty State Park in NJ.
Almost all of this sailing was reaching or downhill. I spent a week in
New York City, then headed south.
I went down the ICW through NJ anchoring near Brick Twp, Atlantic City,
Wildwood and finally Cape May. This was about sixty percent motoring
including one whole day with a 20 kt wind on the nose. I hung out at
Cape May for a couple of days and then headed up the Delaware River.
This is where I almost killed myself by narrowly avoiding and beiing
avoided by a freighter a couple of hours after dark. These ships really
haul ass. I anchored just south of the entrance to the C and D canal.
Then it was on to Annapolis with a stop at Chesapeake City and at Still
Pond.
And so forth. This is getting boring, but some comments before I quit.
The Chebacco handled all the conditions it encountered with aplomb,
though I was watchful of the weather and did spend some time waiting for
favorable conditions. The worst conditions I encountered were two or
three times with four to five foot waves running against the current;
i.e. short and choppy. Samantha would make some quite impressive slams
when I sailed her off some of these square waves. Frightened me at first
until I realized the boat wasn't going to fall apart. I towed a Nymph
and she never shipped a bit of water. Likewise the Chebacco - nice and
dry.
Living arangements were rather posh. Nice large double berth. Sitting
headroom settees and a small table. I cooked on a propane campstove and
ate mostly canned or dried foods as I had no refrigeration or cooler. I
drank my daily G&T's at bilge temperature. I navigated using a
bottom-of-the-line GPS and paper charts. I had lights, VHF, and a
magnetic compass. I used "Skipper Bob's" guide extensively for
anchorages.
The trip back north the next spring was mostly a repeat, except Core
Sound and going outside from Cape May toward NYC. I spent the summer
cruising Maine waters from Portland to Bar Harbor to Bangor.
paul
Thanks for the info, Paul. I especially appreciate the hard data (as
opposed to 'she goes to weather well). Anyone out there have similar
VMG GPS data for the centerboard version?
On another note, I read somewhere else you sailed your Chebacco from
Maine down to the Carolina's. Is that true, if so, is there a write up
about it on the net anywhere?
Denny
opposed to 'she goes to weather well). Anyone out there have similar
VMG GPS data for the centerboard version?
On another note, I read somewhere else you sailed your Chebacco from
Maine down to the Carolina's. Is that true, if so, is there a write up
about it on the net anywhere?
Denny
I built a Chebacco with a full keel modeled on the keel shown in
BWAOM. I added maybe 75# of lead. The boat would sail to windward
albeit at a leisurely pace - a knot and a half VMG was outstanding,
but only attainable under the best of conditions. There was one time I
was sailing east toward Block Island in Long Island Sound and being
very attentive to sail trim and wind shifts when I really got in the
groove and was soon sailing at 3 kts VMG and I said to myself, "I'm
really getting the hang of this. This is awesome." After enjoying my
newfound prowess for quite a little while, I realized there was a 2 kt
tidal current running.
The flip side is the elimination of the centerboard makes the cabin
much nicer. I haven't sailed a CB Chebacco, but the full keel version
seemed adequately responsive and nimble, although I would think it is
less so than the CB version.
Just remember that gentleman avoid sailing to weather.
paul
BWAOM. I added maybe 75# of lead. The boat would sail to windward
albeit at a leisurely pace - a knot and a half VMG was outstanding,
but only attainable under the best of conditions. There was one time I
was sailing east toward Block Island in Long Island Sound and being
very attentive to sail trim and wind shifts when I really got in the
groove and was soon sailing at 3 kts VMG and I said to myself, "I'm
really getting the hang of this. This is awesome." After enjoying my
newfound prowess for quite a little while, I realized there was a 2 kt
tidal current running.
The flip side is the elimination of the centerboard makes the cabin
much nicer. I haven't sailed a CB Chebacco, but the full keel version
seemed adequately responsive and nimble, although I would think it is
less so than the CB version.
Just remember that gentleman avoid sailing to weather.
paul
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mcdennyw" <dwolfe@...> wrote:
>
> Input from the 'water ballasted Chebacco' thread led me to model the
> full keel variant shown in BWAOM. With no lead ballast (Bolger specs
> 240# for the design with the high cabin)the boat is just as stable as
> the unballasted C'board version. Water ballast would have the same
> effect on either boat.
>
> Lateral plane is about 10% greater on the full keel. The boat would
> sit 6" higher on the trailer but it sure would be nice not to have the
> C'board case intrude into the cockpit and cabin.
>
> Anyone have actual comparative experience sailing both the full keel
> and the C'board boats to windward?
>
> Thanks,
> Denny Wolfe
>
Input from the 'water ballasted Chebacco' thread led me to model the
full keel variant shown in BWAOM. With no lead ballast (Bolger specs
240# for the design with the high cabin)the boat is just as stable as
the unballasted C'board version. Water ballast would have the same
effect on either boat.
Lateral plane is about 10% greater on the full keel. The boat would
sit 6" higher on the trailer but it sure would be nice not to have the
C'board case intrude into the cockpit and cabin.
Anyone have actual comparative experience sailing both the full keel
and the C'board boats to windward?
Thanks,
Denny Wolfe
full keel variant shown in BWAOM. With no lead ballast (Bolger specs
240# for the design with the high cabin)the boat is just as stable as
the unballasted C'board version. Water ballast would have the same
effect on either boat.
Lateral plane is about 10% greater on the full keel. The boat would
sit 6" higher on the trailer but it sure would be nice not to have the
C'board case intrude into the cockpit and cabin.
Anyone have actual comparative experience sailing both the full keel
and the C'board boats to windward?
Thanks,
Denny Wolfe