Re: Thai Catamaran
>There is also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and anew one in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
Franchised builders also in Mumbai, in South Africa, in Germany, and
there's somewhat of a rebel to the sea people hardline cedar bucket PC
in Texas.
Hi Jim,
It's Andy Smith Boatworks. Here is a link to their website.
http://www.andy-smith-boatworks.com/psd/home/index.html The last two they built were the two ethnic style cats that Wharram and Heneke Boon are sailing around the Pacific as we speak, retracing the ancient Polynesian's routes.
Kevin
It's Andy Smith Boatworks. Here is a link to their website.
http://www.andy-smith-boatworks.com/psd/home/index.html The last two they built were the two ethnic style cats that Wharram and Heneke Boon are sailing around the Pacific as we speak, retracing the ancient Polynesian's routes.
Kevin
--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Jim <praetorian1962@...> wrote:
From: Jim <praetorian1962@...>
Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 11:18 PM
Kevin,
Can you provide any more information about the "outfit in the
Philippines? "
Thanks
Jim
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
> I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe.
Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if
you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once. Some
call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back to
fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all over
the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a Tiki
21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There is
also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new one
in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
> Kevin Burns
>
> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
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> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 2:18 PM
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> Kevin,
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> Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
> had no idea they had some professionally- built designs. Wharram
> really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger looks
> the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
> there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
> our list.
>
> Gregg
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Gregg,
> > ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap
named Guenther
> Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
> PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably looks
> better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
> > Kevin Burns
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
> > Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> > My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> > pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
> > beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
sits in
> > the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
> > great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> > metal.
> >
> > It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> > appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> > tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
> > many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
about
> > it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
> >
> > I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
Catamaran".
> > Hopefully, this link will take you there:
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
> pic/list
> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
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Kevin,
Can you provide any more information about the "outfit in the
Philippines?"
Thanks
Jim
Can you provide any more information about the "outfit in the
Philippines?"
Thanks
Jim
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@...> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
> I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe.
Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if
you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once. Some
call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back to
fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all over
the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a Tiki
21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There is
also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new one
in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
> Kevin Burns
>
> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
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> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 2:18 PM
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> Kevin,
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> Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
> had no idea they had some professionally- built designs. Wharram
> really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger looks
> the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
> there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
> our list.
>
> Gregg
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Gregg,
> > ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap
named Guenther
> Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
> PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably looks
> better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
> > Kevin Burns
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> > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
> > Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> > My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> > pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
> > beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
sits in
> > the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
> > great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> > metal.
> >
> > It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> > appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> > tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
> > many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
about
> > it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
> >
> > I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
Catamaran".
> > Hopefully, this link will take you there:
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
> pic/list
> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
> pic/list>
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Not being accepted by the 'yachting set' strikes me as a personal
recommendation... or at least a case of having the right enemies.
-p
recommendation... or at least a case of having the right enemies.
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On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Greg Flemming <greg@...> wrote:
> There's another parallel an'all! PCB mentioned in the furledsails
> podcast that he'd run out of steam until Suzanne came along and gave
> him a new lease on life, as it were. Much the same thing did seem to
> happen with Wharram when Henneke Boon came along with her design
> impetus.
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> Wharram's lifestyle was hardly conducive to getting him accepted by
> the "yachting" set in the UK or anywhere else, for that matter.
>
> That's a great quality video that Bill has posted the link to, still
> haven't looked at part 2 but very impressive.
>
> GregF
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> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gregg,
>> I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe.
> Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if
> you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once.
> Some call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back
> to fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all
> over the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a
> Tiki 21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There
> is also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new
> one in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
>> Kevin Burns
>>
>> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
>>
>> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
>> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 2:18 PM
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>> Kevin,
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>> Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
>> had no idea they had some professionally- built designs. Wharram
>> really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger
> looks
>> the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
>> there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
>> our list.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Gregg,
>> > ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap
> named Guenther
>> Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
>> PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably
> looks
>> better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
>> > Kevin Burns
>> >
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>> > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
>> > Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
>> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
>> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> of
>> > pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a
> series of
>> > beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
> sits in
>> > the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be
> some
>> > great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without
> much
>> > metal.
>> >
>> > It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
>> > appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
>> > tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the
> builder "stole"
>> > many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
> about
>> > it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
>> >
>> > I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
> Catamaran".
>> > Hopefully, this link will take you there:
>> >
>> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
>> pic/list
>> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
>> pic/list>
>> >
>> > Regards, Gregg Carlson
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There's another parallel an'all! PCB mentioned in the furledsails
podcast that he'd run out of steam until Suzanne came along and gave
him a new lease on life, as it were. Much the same thing did seem to
happen with Wharram when Henneke Boon came along with her design
impetus.
Wharram's lifestyle was hardly conducive to getting him accepted by
the "yachting" set in the UK or anywhere else, for that matter.
That's a great quality video that Bill has posted the link to, still
haven't looked at part 2 but very impressive.
GregF
podcast that he'd run out of steam until Suzanne came along and gave
him a new lease on life, as it were. Much the same thing did seem to
happen with Wharram when Henneke Boon came along with her design
impetus.
Wharram's lifestyle was hardly conducive to getting him accepted by
the "yachting" set in the UK or anywhere else, for that matter.
That's a great quality video that Bill has posted the link to, still
haven't looked at part 2 but very impressive.
GregF
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@...> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
> I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe.
Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if
you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once.
Some call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back
to fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all
over the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a
Tiki 21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There
is also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new
one in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
> Kevin Burns
>
> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
>
> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 2:18 PM
>
>
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>
> Kevin,
>
> Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
> had no idea they had some professionally- built designs. Wharram
> really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger
looks
> the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
> there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
> our list.
>
> Gregg
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...>
wrote:
> >
> > Gregg,
> > ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap
named Guenther
> Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
> PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably
looks
> better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
> > Kevin Burns
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
> > Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> > To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series
of
> > pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a
series of
> > beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
sits in
> > the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be
some
> > great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without
much
> > metal.
> >
> > It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> > appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> > tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the
builder "stole"
> > many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
about
> > it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
> >
> > I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
Catamaran".
> > Hopefully, this link will take you there:
> >
> > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
> pic/list
> > <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
> pic/list>
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> > Regards, Gregg Carlson
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Tangentially related (except that it involves some interview time with
Wharram) is this film, posted online. Nice bit of video. The interview
with Wharram appears around 2:44 in part I. Part II is worth watching
too.
http://bluewaterfilm.org/
Bill in Ohio.
Long Micro Pugnacious
Wharram) is this film, posted online. Nice bit of video. The interview
with Wharram appears around 2:44 in part I. Part II is worth watching
too.
http://bluewaterfilm.org/
Bill in Ohio.
Long Micro Pugnacious
Interesting thing about Wharram is, like Bolger, he looks into the
history of boat design and picks the best ideas from the past and
applies them to the present. So that idea of "stealing" design
features from the Polynesians is almost right, in a way.
I agree with Kevin that the boat is a Pahi 52, possibly, although
when I first looked I thought maybe it was a Pahi 42 but with the
gaff schooner rig from the bigger boats such as the Pahi 52, Tiki 46
or Pahi 63. The first of their designs to have that rig was the Tiki
31 quite few years ago now, and they applied it to the bigger
designs after realising how well it went to windward in relation to
similar single masted rigs.
But Kevin is no doubt correct about it being a 52. I think the Pahis
are great looking boats. He has a similar boat but a lot more basic,
called the Tama Moana and Wharram has just delivered one (or two?) to
Tikopia so that the locals will be able to recover some of their
ancient ability to connect with the outside world. Tikopia is in the
Santa Cruz Islands just north of the Solomons and are Polynesian
islands geographically within Melanesia
That's all on wharram.com now I think??
GregF
history of boat design and picks the best ideas from the past and
applies them to the present. So that idea of "stealing" design
features from the Polynesians is almost right, in a way.
I agree with Kevin that the boat is a Pahi 52, possibly, although
when I first looked I thought maybe it was a Pahi 42 but with the
gaff schooner rig from the bigger boats such as the Pahi 52, Tiki 46
or Pahi 63. The first of their designs to have that rig was the Tiki
31 quite few years ago now, and they applied it to the bigger
designs after realising how well it went to windward in relation to
similar single masted rigs.
But Kevin is no doubt correct about it being a 52. I think the Pahis
are great looking boats. He has a similar boat but a lot more basic,
called the Tama Moana and Wharram has just delivered one (or two?) to
Tikopia so that the locals will be able to recover some of their
ancient ability to connect with the outside world. Tikopia is in the
Santa Cruz Islands just north of the Solomons and are Polynesian
islands geographically within Melanesia
That's all on wharram.com now I think??
GregF
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@...> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
> Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model. Chap named
Guenther Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram
TIKIs and PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.
Probably looks better because of the center pod, maybe the
professional build.
> Kevin Burns
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
>
> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series
of
> beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
sits in
> the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be
some
> great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> metal.
>
> It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
> many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
about
> it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
>
> I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
Catamaran".
> Hopefully, this link will take you there:
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
pic/list
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
pic/list>
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> Regards, Gregg Carlson
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I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe. Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once. Some call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back to fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all over the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a Tiki 21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There is also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new one in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
Kevin Burns
I agree that in some ways Wharram is in a parallel universe. Many don't like Wharram for his supposed hedonistic lifestyle, but if you read enough Wharram writings he mentions PCB more than once. Some call both simplistic. I prefer to think of it as getting back to fundamentals and am a fan of both men. Wharrams are sailing all over the world, many have done circumnavigations (the smallest is a Tiki 21), and he has developed a cult not unlike Bolgeristas. There is also an outfit in the Phillipines building his designs and a new one in Florida building Wharram Tikis.
Kevin Burns
--- On Wed, 2/4/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
Subject: [bolger] Re: Thai Catamaran
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 2:18 PM
Kevin,
Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
had no idea they had some professionally- built designs. Wharram
really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger looks
the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
our list.
Gregg
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@ ...> wrote:
>
> Gregg,
> ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap named Guenther
Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably looks
better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
> Kevin Burns
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...> wrote:
>
> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@ ...>
> Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
> beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house sits in
> the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
> great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> metal.
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> It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
> many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know about
> it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
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> I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai Catamaran".
> Hopefully, this link will take you there:
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> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
pic/list
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> Regards, Gregg Carlson
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Kevin,
Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
had no idea they had some professionally-built designs. Wharram
really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger looks
the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
our list.
Gregg
Thanks - maybe I didn't dig deep enough at Wharram's website, and I
had no idea they had some professionally-built designs. Wharram
really looks like a little parallel universe; I'd expect Bolger looks
the same way to outsiders. I understand there are a few boatbuilders
there - we might go visit next year. We'll have to put that yard on
our list.
Gregg
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Burns <captparnell@...> wrote:
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> Gregg,
> ���� Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model.� Chap named Guenther
Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and
PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand.� Probably looks
better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
> Kevin Burns
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> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
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> From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
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> My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
> beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house sits in
> the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
> great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> metal.
>
> It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
> many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know about
> it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
>
> I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai Catamaran".
> Hopefully, this link will take you there:
>
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
pic/list
> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/
pic/list>
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> Regards, Gregg Carlson
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I saw a very similar boat on the hard next to me one winter in the
south of France (mouth of the Rhone). I wasn't familiar at the time
with Wharram's boats and was amazed by the lashed amas, but even more
so by the fact that it was a New Zealand registered boat and according
to a liveaboard in the next boat, a retired couple had built it in
their backyard and sailed it to the Med over a couple of years...
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
south of France (mouth of the Rhone). I wasn't familiar at the time
with Wharram's boats and was amazed by the lashed amas, but even more
so by the fact that it was a New Zealand registered boat and according
to a liveaboard in the next boat, a retired couple had built it in
their backyard and sailed it to the Med over a couple of years...
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...>
wrote:
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> Gregg,
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> given that Wharram builders add mods at least as much as Bolger
> builders ;) that cat is pure Wharram. I'd say a Pahi 42 with a Tiki
> 38 or 46 ketch rig. If your partner saw bow dagger boards that would
> nail it a Pahi as do the rudder mounts. The aft bridgedeck boarding
> ramps are not usually full width. The Pahi 42 has a single motor
> mounted centrally just before the aft ramp but the Pahi 63 has
> similar dual motor mounts of that mid swing down type as often do
> earlier design examples. There's a lot of "mix and match" goes on.
>http://wharram.com/pahi42.html
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> Talk about "stealing" pacific islanders ideas and not much metal
>http://wharram.com/childofthesea.htmGlen Tieman roamed the North
> Pacific for many years on a Wharram Tikiroa (Pahi 26) and has built
> and set out once more on a Child of the Sea heading for the South
> Pacifichttp://wharram.eu//live//index.php?topic=20080416175514782
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> Graeme
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ghartc" <gregg.carlson@> wrote:
> >
> > My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> > pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a
> series of
> > beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
> sits in
> > the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be
> some
> > great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> > metal.
> >
> > It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> > appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> > tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the
> builder "stole"
> > many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
> about
> > it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
> >
> > I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
> Catamaran".
> > Hopefully, this link will take you there:
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list
> >
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list>
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> > Regards, Gregg Carlson
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Gregg,
given that Wharram builders add mods at least as much as Bolger
builders ;) that cat is pure Wharram. I'd say a Pahi 42 with a Tiki
38 or 46 ketch rig. If your partner saw bow dagger boards that would
nail it a Pahi as do the rudder mounts. The aft bridgedeck boarding
ramps are not usually full width. The Pahi 42 has a single motor
mounted centrally just before the aft ramp but the Pahi 63 has
similar dual motor mounts of that mid swing down type as often do
earlier design examples. There's a lot of "mix and match" goes on.
http://wharram.com/pahi42.html
Talk about "stealing" pacific islanders ideas and not much metal
http://wharram.com/childofthesea.htmGlen Tieman roamed the North
Pacific for many years on a Wharram Tikiroa (Pahi 26) and has built
and set out once more on a Child of the Sea heading for the South
Pacifichttp://wharram.eu//live//index.php?topic=20080416175514782
Graeme
given that Wharram builders add mods at least as much as Bolger
builders ;) that cat is pure Wharram. I'd say a Pahi 42 with a Tiki
38 or 46 ketch rig. If your partner saw bow dagger boards that would
nail it a Pahi as do the rudder mounts. The aft bridgedeck boarding
ramps are not usually full width. The Pahi 42 has a single motor
mounted centrally just before the aft ramp but the Pahi 63 has
similar dual motor mounts of that mid swing down type as often do
earlier design examples. There's a lot of "mix and match" goes on.
http://wharram.com/pahi42.html
Talk about "stealing" pacific islanders ideas and not much metal
http://wharram.com/childofthesea.htmGlen Tieman roamed the North
Pacific for many years on a Wharram Tikiroa (Pahi 26) and has built
and set out once more on a Child of the Sea heading for the South
Pacifichttp://wharram.eu//live//index.php?topic=20080416175514782
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ghartc" <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
>
> My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
> pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a
series of
> beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house
sits in
> the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be
some
> great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
> metal.
>
> It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
> appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
> tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the
builder "stole"
> many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know
about
> it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
>
> I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai
Catamaran".
> Hopefully, this link will take you there:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list>
>
> Regards, Gregg Carlson
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Hi Greg,
Jon
> Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.The hulls look like the Wharram "Pahi" style.
Jon
Gregg,
Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model. Chap named Guenther Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand. Probably looks better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
Kevin Burns
Looks like a Wharram to me. Pahi 52 model. Chap named Guenther Nutt owns the 'Seascape' Company and is building Wharram TIKIs and PAHI 52s (and possibly PAHI 60s) in Phuket, Thailand. Probably looks better because of the center pod, maybe the professional build.
Kevin Burns
--- On Tue, 2/3/09, ghartc <gregg.carlson@...> wrote:
From: ghartc <gregg.carlson@...>
Subject: [bolger] Thai Catamaran
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 1:53 AM
My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house sits in
the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
metal.
It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know about
it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai Catamaran".
Hopefully, this link will take you there:
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/ pic/list
<http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 518296840/ pic/list>
Regards, Gregg Carlson
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My sailing partner returned from Thailand recently with a series of
pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house sits in
the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
metal.
It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know about
it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai Catamaran".
Hopefully, this link will take you there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list>
Regards, Gregg Carlson
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pictures of an odd and interesting catamaran. Essentially, a series of
beams lash into dovetails in the amas, and it appears the house sits in
the middle. Most all the rigging is soft, and there appear to be some
great ideas on how to spread the point loads, probably without much
metal.
It looked like outboards swing down in wells, and a swinging deck
appears ready to launch and retrieve a dinghy. Masts are in
tebernacles. I wasn't there, but he'd understood the builder "stole"
many of the ideas from pacific islanders. That's about all I know about
it. Appears a lot more exotic than a Wharram.
I posted the pics on the main Bolger groups pics under "Thai Catamaran".
Hopefully, this link will take you there:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/518296840/pic/list>
Regards, Gregg Carlson
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