Re: Tennessee Build.
Duck Works Mundoo River cruiser was originally based on the Tennessee.
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo.php?PHPSESSID=5a2168fb42f2ef64899db8011ff61761
http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/mundoo.php?PHPSESSID=5a2168fb42f2ef64899db8011ff61761
Write to him snail mail. Be brief and clear, put your return info in the letter.
My experience has been that he always responds.
My experience has been that he always responds.
Was just relistening to the interview with Bolger from last fall,
including the part that hasn't been posted on furledsails.com yet. He
acknowledged they are sometimes tardy in responding to
correspondence, especially if they are travelling or caught up in
something else. There apparently is a rather thick stack of
correspondence from past years (I suspect from when they were tied up
with the Navy project) that he said will never be answered because
there isn't time. But he said they were keeping up with the current
contacts except for delays from attending conferences, etc. I
wouldn't count on a response to e-mail; I think they have it but may
only rarely look at it. The preferred method of contact is a fax,
with a promiment return fax number included. Apparently they get a
fair amount of correspondence without adequate return contact
information included. Don't count on the automatic return number that
most fax machines include; I'm not sure theirs does that and Bolger
was quite insistent about being redundant with contact information.
(This is not a new phenomenon. When I first wrote him more 25 years
about about doing what became design #459, I didn't hear anything
back, having relied on the return address on the envelope as
sufficient. I was about ready to buy another design when I wrote
again, and got a very quick reply expressing interest in the project,
saying he had lost my address, and including a mild admonition to be
more repetitive with contact information.)
Their priority in replying is to favor those who inquire about a
specific design or a query on whether one of Bolger's existing
designs will meet a certain set of requirements. It also helps if
there's an indication that the boat will be built, and not just an
idle inquiry about some feature or nuance. Phil and Susanne are not
accepting any new design commissions at the moment, and may not
respond to an inquiry for one; at least that's the impression I got.
If you sent an inquiry and didn't hear back, or sent several over a
short period, my advice is to wait a week or so and try again. You
may have caught them out of town. They are certainly interested in
selling from Bolger's extensive catalog of existing designs.
Gary
P.S. I think Bolger is 81, not 82. My recollection is his birthday
was in November 1927. In the interview, done in early October, he
referred to himself as 80 . . .
including the part that hasn't been posted on furledsails.com yet. He
acknowledged they are sometimes tardy in responding to
correspondence, especially if they are travelling or caught up in
something else. There apparently is a rather thick stack of
correspondence from past years (I suspect from when they were tied up
with the Navy project) that he said will never be answered because
there isn't time. But he said they were keeping up with the current
contacts except for delays from attending conferences, etc. I
wouldn't count on a response to e-mail; I think they have it but may
only rarely look at it. The preferred method of contact is a fax,
with a promiment return fax number included. Apparently they get a
fair amount of correspondence without adequate return contact
information included. Don't count on the automatic return number that
most fax machines include; I'm not sure theirs does that and Bolger
was quite insistent about being redundant with contact information.
(This is not a new phenomenon. When I first wrote him more 25 years
about about doing what became design #459, I didn't hear anything
back, having relied on the return address on the envelope as
sufficient. I was about ready to buy another design when I wrote
again, and got a very quick reply expressing interest in the project,
saying he had lost my address, and including a mild admonition to be
more repetitive with contact information.)
Their priority in replying is to favor those who inquire about a
specific design or a query on whether one of Bolger's existing
designs will meet a certain set of requirements. It also helps if
there's an indication that the boat will be built, and not just an
idle inquiry about some feature or nuance. Phil and Susanne are not
accepting any new design commissions at the moment, and may not
respond to an inquiry for one; at least that's the impression I got.
If you sent an inquiry and didn't hear back, or sent several over a
short period, my advice is to wait a week or so and try again. You
may have caught them out of town. They are certainly interested in
selling from Bolger's extensive catalog of existing designs.
Gary
P.S. I think Bolger is 81, not 82. My recollection is his birthday
was in November 1927. In the interview, done in early October, he
referred to himself as 80 . . .
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM, my48cj2a <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am not trying to sound rude. If I did offend I am sorry. That
was
> > not the intention. I am to used to my vendors jumping at the
chance
> > to sell a product during the hard times now. I am a fabricator I
run
> > with strict guidelines at my shop. My job is to get the job done
now.
> > That is why I am still in buisness and the others around me are
> > folding up. I have to set aside time for my stuff between jobs.
That
> > time is on the way. I have to do something now or wait another
year
> > to get started. The other gentleman said he has been waiting since
> > last fall for info.I left a fax number and 2 seperate e-mails. I
> > can't bring myself to just send money without any
information.Plus I
> > do not know how much or what I get with the plans. Everything is
one
> > big question mark right now.
>
>
> Fair enough. If you sent Phil Bolger 2 emails, don't hold your
> breath, as I don't think he uses email. Bolger doesn't really fit
> into a standard "vendor" model.
>
> It also is true that at least two people have been waiting years
for
> commissioned designs, which is a shame of course. Commissions
involve
> creativity, and sometimes finding the creative spark doesn't come
> easy. Especially if you are 82 years old making decisions about too
> many things to do and too little time to do it. I can see both
sides
> of the issue, the buyers and the designers.
>
> If you have access to a library, the out of print 1980 book by Phil
> Bolger "Different Boats" has a chapter on the Tennessee design,
which
> includes reduced sized images of the plans. ISBN 0-87742-134-X.
> Indeed, there is enough information shown in that book to build the
> boat.
>
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:17 PM, my48cj2a <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
breath, as I don't think he uses email. Bolger doesn't really fit
into a standard "vendor" model.
It also is true that at least two people have been waiting years for
commissioned designs, which is a shame of course. Commissions involve
creativity, and sometimes finding the creative spark doesn't come
easy. Especially if you are 82 years old making decisions about too
many things to do and too little time to do it. I can see both sides
of the issue, the buyers and the designers.
If you have access to a library, the out of print 1980 book by Phil
Bolger "Different Boats" has a chapter on the Tennessee design, which
includes reduced sized images of the plans. ISBN 0-87742-134-X.
Indeed, there is enough information shown in that book to build the
boat.
>Fair enough. If you sent Phil Bolger 2 emails, don't hold your
>
> I am not trying to sound rude. If I did offend I am sorry. That was
> not the intention. I am to used to my vendors jumping at the chance
> to sell a product during the hard times now. I am a fabricator I run
> with strict guidelines at my shop. My job is to get the job done now.
> That is why I am still in buisness and the others around me are
> folding up. I have to set aside time for my stuff between jobs. That
> time is on the way. I have to do something now or wait another year
> to get started. The other gentleman said he has been waiting since
> last fall for info.I left a fax number and 2 seperate e-mails. I
> can't bring myself to just send money without any information.Plus I
> do not know how much or what I get with the plans. Everything is one
> big question mark right now.
breath, as I don't think he uses email. Bolger doesn't really fit
into a standard "vendor" model.
It also is true that at least two people have been waiting years for
commissioned designs, which is a shame of course. Commissions involve
creativity, and sometimes finding the creative spark doesn't come
easy. Especially if you are 82 years old making decisions about too
many things to do and too little time to do it. I can see both sides
of the issue, the buyers and the designers.
If you have access to a library, the out of print 1980 book by Phil
Bolger "Different Boats" has a chapter on the Tennessee design, which
includes reduced sized images of the plans. ISBN 0-87742-134-X.
Indeed, there is enough information shown in that book to build the
boat.
I am not trying to sound rude. If I did offend I am sorry. That was
not the intention. I am to used to my vendors jumping at the chance
to sell a product during the hard times now. I am a fabricator I run
with strict guidelines at my shop. My job is to get the job done now.
That is why I am still in buisness and the others around me are
folding up. I have to set aside time for my stuff between jobs. That
time is on the way. I have to do something now or wait another year
to get started. The other gentleman said he has been waiting since
last fall for info.I left a fax number and 2 seperate e-mails. I
can't bring myself to just send money without any information.Plus I
do not know how much or what I get with the plans. Everything is one
big question mark right now.
not the intention. I am to used to my vendors jumping at the chance
to sell a product during the hard times now. I am a fabricator I run
with strict guidelines at my shop. My job is to get the job done now.
That is why I am still in buisness and the others around me are
folding up. I have to set aside time for my stuff between jobs. That
time is on the way. I have to do something now or wait another year
to get started. The other gentleman said he has been waiting since
last fall for info.I left a fax number and 2 seperate e-mails. I
can't bring myself to just send money without any information.Plus I
do not know how much or what I get with the plans. Everything is one
big question mark right now.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:15 AM, my48cj2a <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
> > So how do we go about getting plans? Does the moderator know?
What if
> > we need help with them? I have to have it built in a certain
amount of
> > time. I might have to go with something where the plans are
easier to
> > get. When do the customers count?
>
> I know from experience that obtaining the plans is about 10% of the
> joy and 0.001% pain of the process called building a boat.
>
> If you are in a hurry to get a boat, building a boat is almost
> certainly not the fastest way (or cheapest way) to get a boat.
>
> Phil Bolger is 82 years old, and he may be doing something else at
the
> moment. Though, historically he has a reputation of quick reply.
> Another thing that happens occasionally is that he gets a question
via
> fax (but with no return fax #), or he gets a letter via postal mail
> (with no return address). Also, if your question is complex,
> sometimes he needs time to think of the answer. Or, if rude, he has
> the option of ignoring you.
>
> Buying plans gives you some right to ask questions about the design,
> and to a lesser extent to ask questions about the building process.
> But Bolger is a designer, not a builder, so questions about building
> boats are better directed towards experienced boat builders.
>
> If you are planning to build a boat, I strongly recommend building
> scale boat models first. That way you can figure out the details
> cheaply and quickly before embarking on the bigger and more
expensive
> full size project. This could even start not, while waiting for the
> plans.
>
Anon,
I just checked instantboats.com and biggest they have is Sneakeasy.
You will need to go to Bolger directly. I pasted the information here:
Not many people scroll down there...
Mail has worked best for me although that gets lost also. He may be
spry but he ain't young...
Sincerely,
Gene T.
I just checked instantboats.com and biggest they have is Sneakeasy.
You will need to go to Bolger directly. I pasted the information here:
> Bolger rules!!!so you would be sure not to miss it at the bottom of the message.
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Not many people scroll down there...
Mail has worked best for me although that gets lost also. He may be
spry but he ain't young...
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 27 Feb, 2009, at 11:15 AM, my48cj2a wrote:
> So how do we go about getting plans? Does the moderator know? What if
> we need help with them? I have to have it built in a certain amount of
> time. I might have to go with something where the plans are easier to
> get. When do the customers count?
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <ben_2_go@...> wrote:
> >
> > I tried back in fall and couldn't get them.I also wrote them and
> never
> > had a return response.I was looking at the Tenny as well.
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is Bolgers Office open this time of year? I have faxed them for
> three
> > > days and have not gotten a response. Is there other places to buy
> the
> > > plans?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:15 AM, my48cj2a <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
joy and 0.001% pain of the process called building a boat.
If you are in a hurry to get a boat, building a boat is almost
certainly not the fastest way (or cheapest way) to get a boat.
Phil Bolger is 82 years old, and he may be doing something else at the
moment. Though, historically he has a reputation of quick reply.
Another thing that happens occasionally is that he gets a question via
fax (but with no return fax #), or he gets a letter via postal mail
(with no return address). Also, if your question is complex,
sometimes he needs time to think of the answer. Or, if rude, he has
the option of ignoring you.
Buying plans gives you some right to ask questions about the design,
and to a lesser extent to ask questions about the building process.
But Bolger is a designer, not a builder, so questions about building
boats are better directed towards experienced boat builders.
If you are planning to build a boat, I strongly recommend building
scale boat models first. That way you can figure out the details
cheaply and quickly before embarking on the bigger and more expensive
full size project. This could even start not, while waiting for the
plans.
> So how do we go about getting plans? Does the moderator know? What ifI know from experience that obtaining the plans is about 10% of the
> we need help with them? I have to have it built in a certain amount of
> time. I might have to go with something where the plans are easier to
> get. When do the customers count?
joy and 0.001% pain of the process called building a boat.
If you are in a hurry to get a boat, building a boat is almost
certainly not the fastest way (or cheapest way) to get a boat.
Phil Bolger is 82 years old, and he may be doing something else at the
moment. Though, historically he has a reputation of quick reply.
Another thing that happens occasionally is that he gets a question via
fax (but with no return fax #), or he gets a letter via postal mail
(with no return address). Also, if your question is complex,
sometimes he needs time to think of the answer. Or, if rude, he has
the option of ignoring you.
Buying plans gives you some right to ask questions about the design,
and to a lesser extent to ask questions about the building process.
But Bolger is a designer, not a builder, so questions about building
boats are better directed towards experienced boat builders.
If you are planning to build a boat, I strongly recommend building
scale boat models first. That way you can figure out the details
cheaply and quickly before embarking on the bigger and more expensive
full size project. This could even start not, while waiting for the
plans.
So how do we go about getting plans? Does the moderator know? What if
we need help with them? I have to have it built in a certain amount of
time. I might have to go with something where the plans are easier to
get. When do the customers count?
we need help with them? I have to have it built in a certain amount of
time. I might have to go with something where the plans are easier to
get. When do the customers count?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <ben_2_go@...> wrote:
>
> I tried back in fall and couldn't get them.I also wrote them and never
> had a return response.I was looking at the Tenny as well.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@> wrote:
> >
> > Is Bolgers Office open this time of year? I have faxed them for
three
> > days and have not gotten a response. Is there other places to buy
the
> > plans?
> >
> >
>
I tried back in fall and couldn't get them.I also wrote them and never
had a return response.I was looking at the Tenny as well.
had a return response.I was looking at the Tenny as well.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>
> Is Bolgers Office open this time of year? I have faxed them for three
> days and have not gotten a response. Is there other places to buy the
> plans?
>
>
Is Bolgers Office open this time of year? I have faxed them for three
days and have not gotten a response. Is there other places to buy the
plans?
days and have not gotten a response. Is there other places to buy the
plans?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Do you have the link to Dick Welch's Tennessee?
>
>http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/Page.html
>
> HJ
>
> Chris Feller wrote:
> > I did a search for information on Tennessee at Duckworks and came
up
> > with these links.
> >
> >
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/building/index.htm
> >
> >
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/tennessee/index.ht
m
> >
> >http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/projects/tennessee/index.cfm
> >
> > Here is one of Topaz
> >
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
> >
> > Nice boats. I wish I had a building space large enough. I would
> > build a Tennessee if I did.
> >
> > Chris Feller
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@> wrote:
> >
> >> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It
will be
> >> perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time
look is
> >> great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this
one will
> >> be first in line.
> >> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but
the
> >> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my
questions
> >> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was
it. ???.
> >> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the
boat?
> >> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice
looking
> >> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be
a
> >> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The
Tennessee can
> >> be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What
got me
> >> hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone
else
> >> building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am
looking
> >> for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel?
Pictures?
> >> Thanks all.I will post the build.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or
flogging dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
think they are very similar in scope. They both have basically the
same number of pieces, and very close to the same amount of wood,
finishing surface and painting. I would bet that the two boats have
nearly identical displacements.
The Topaz Spyder does have the twisted panels applied to the forefoot,
while the Tennessee has more complexity in the cabin work. The
twisted panels are not very much of a big deal to build, just one
piece of 1/4" plywood split longway and cutout to the shape on the
plans, sprung and nailed in place.
And in the end, I think that the Topaz Spyder looks more "boat like"
which would have a big $$$ difference on the resale market for used
boats. (While the boxy Tennessee has that "backyard plywood box boat"
look that evokes doubt and dogma among the "right minded boatsman" who
buy used boats. Also, my hunch is that the Topaz Spyder is a bit more
seaworthy. I suspect that the blunt bow of the Tennessee might dig,
broach and generally get in the way in rough water while crossing the
bar, etc. Both of the boats would have astonishing efficiency
cruising flat water.
> BruceHaving modeled both boats, and having built 95% of a Topaz Spyder, I
>
> I have been mulling over your comment a while back about the Topaz and
> the Tennessee having equal building times. I have a great deal of
> respect for your opinions as they are based on actual experience and you
> have had some amazing fast builds. However I have always thought of the
> Topaz as a great deal more complex than a Tennessee. I have always
> thought the Topaz's more complex shape would make it harder to build.
> You of course are deep in actually building one. In short I think of the
> Tennessee as a boat I could build in a winter of spare time and the
> Topaz as a two winter and maybe more boat.
>
> HJ
think they are very similar in scope. They both have basically the
same number of pieces, and very close to the same amount of wood,
finishing surface and painting. I would bet that the two boats have
nearly identical displacements.
The Topaz Spyder does have the twisted panels applied to the forefoot,
while the Tennessee has more complexity in the cabin work. The
twisted panels are not very much of a big deal to build, just one
piece of 1/4" plywood split longway and cutout to the shape on the
plans, sprung and nailed in place.
And in the end, I think that the Topaz Spyder looks more "boat like"
which would have a big $$$ difference on the resale market for used
boats. (While the boxy Tennessee has that "backyard plywood box boat"
look that evokes doubt and dogma among the "right minded boatsman" who
buy used boats. Also, my hunch is that the Topaz Spyder is a bit more
seaworthy. I suspect that the blunt bow of the Tennessee might dig,
broach and generally get in the way in rough water while crossing the
bar, etc. Both of the boats would have astonishing efficiency
cruising flat water.
Bruce
I have been mulling over your comment a while back about the Topaz and
the Tennessee having equal building times. I have a great deal of
respect for your opinions as they are based on actual experience and you
have had some amazing fast builds. However I have always thought of the
Topaz as a great deal more complex than a Tennessee. I have always
thought the Topaz's more complex shape would make it harder to build.
You of course are deep in actually building one. In short I think of the
Tennessee as a boat I could build in a winter of spare time and the
Topaz as a two winter and maybe more boat.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
I have been mulling over your comment a while back about the Topaz and
the Tennessee having equal building times. I have a great deal of
respect for your opinions as they are based on actual experience and you
have had some amazing fast builds. However I have always thought of the
Topaz as a great deal more complex than a Tennessee. I have always
thought the Topaz's more complex shape would make it harder to build.
You of course are deep in actually building one. In short I think of the
Tennessee as a boat I could build in a winter of spare time and the
Topaz as a two winter and maybe more boat.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>> I will try to put up isometric renderings of the Topaz later...
>>
>
>http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&ss=2&w=86125870%40N00&q=topazspyder
>
>
>
>
> I will try to put up isometric renderings of the Topaz later...http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&ss=2&w=86125870%40N00&q=topazspyder
-hi again I'm in Fort pierce for a couple more weeks and have built ba
bolger power sharpie and am very familiar with the Tenessee, one used
to be based in the area, I think it is the onewhich was sold across the
state.Think I'll be cruising the Sebastian river next week in my Bolger
Bantam, if you want to talk Tenessee give me a call john bartlett 772
979 4293 be glad to point you to the local supplies etc, looking
forward to meting you--
bolger power sharpie and am very familiar with the Tenessee, one used
to be based in the area, I think it is the onewhich was sold across the
state.Think I'll be cruising the Sebastian river next week in my Bolger
Bantam, if you want to talk Tenessee give me a call john bartlett 772
979 4293 be glad to point you to the local supplies etc, looking
forward to meting you--
The Atkin designs are being sold by John's widow, Pat, with some help from
me. I don't recall being asked if Gwen o' the River is trailerable, and
the curt reply sounds more like Pat. Her one sentence answer was correct
(I'm kind of surprised it wasn't one word <g>), but I probably would have
explained it a bit more. Built as designed, Gwen o' the River is not
trailerable. If the construction was changed to plywood planking, which'd
require some rengineering, she'd be "trailerable" in the sense that you
could put her on a trailer and take her somewhere, or store her on a
trailer, but the process wouldn't be for the faint of heart, and you
couldn't just trundle her down to the river for an afternoon on the water.
Selling boat plans isn't like selling donuts. We'd like to sell lots of
plans, but we're not interested in selling plans to someone if the boat
won't serve their purpose.
me. I don't recall being asked if Gwen o' the River is trailerable, and
the curt reply sounds more like Pat. Her one sentence answer was correct
(I'm kind of surprised it wasn't one word <g>), but I probably would have
explained it a bit more. Built as designed, Gwen o' the River is not
trailerable. If the construction was changed to plywood planking, which'd
require some rengineering, she'd be "trailerable" in the sense that you
could put her on a trailer and take her somewhere, or store her on a
trailer, but the process wouldn't be for the faint of heart, and you
couldn't just trundle her down to the river for an afternoon on the water.
Selling boat plans isn't like selling donuts. We'd like to sell lots of
plans, but we're not interested in selling plans to someone if the boat
won't serve their purpose.
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:50:09 -0800, Jon K wrote:
> ...
> With respect to limited information about the Atkin design, I got the
> sense that the current business is run by a widow or other relative
> of one of the Atkins who may not have much additional information to
> provide. Perhaps someone else on this forum can provide more details.
>
> Jon
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>> ...
>> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but
> the
>> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
>> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was
> it. ???.
>> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
>> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice
> looking
>> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
>> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss).
> ...
--
John <jkohnen@...>
As for myself, the wonderful sea charmed me from the first.
<Joshua Slocum>
Do you have the link to Dick Welch's Tennessee?
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/Page.html
HJ
Chris Feller wrote:
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/dixtenn/Page.html
HJ
Chris Feller wrote:
> I did a search for information on Tennessee at Duckworks and came up[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> with these links.
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/building/index.htm
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/tennessee/index.htm
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/projects/tennessee/index.cfm
>
> Here is one of Topaz
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
>
> Nice boats. I wish I had a building space large enough. I would
> build a Tennessee if I did.
>
> Chris Feller
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>
>> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It will be
>> perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time look is
>> great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one will
>> be first in line.
>> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but the
>> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
>> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was it. ???.
>> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
>> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice looking
>> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
>> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee can
>> be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got me
>> hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
>> building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am looking
>> for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel? Pictures?
>> Thanks all.I will post the build.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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I did a search for information on Tennessee at Duckworks and came up
with these links.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/building/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/tennessee/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/projects/tennessee/index.cfm
Here is one of Topaz
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
Nice boats. I wish I had a building space large enough. I would
build a Tennessee if I did.
Chris Feller
with these links.
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/building/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/tennessee/index.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/04/s/projects/tennessee/index.cfm
Here is one of Topaz
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/topaz/index.htm
Nice boats. I wish I had a building space large enough. I would
build a Tennessee if I did.
Chris Feller
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>
> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It will be
> perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time look is
> great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one will
> be first in line.
> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but the
> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was it. ???.
> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice looking
> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee can
> be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got me
> hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
> building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am looking
> for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel? Pictures?
> Thanks all.I will post the build.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
point you in the right direction for info, if any is available. Also
there's the AtkinBoats grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtkinBoats/
ah, I see you already know... good luck then
> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but theJohn Kohnen posted on this group just the other day - I'm sure he could
> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was it. ???.
> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
point you in the right direction for info, if any is available. Also
there's the AtkinBoats grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/AtkinBoats/
ah, I see you already know... good luck then
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:54 AM, my48cj2a <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
complexity as the Tennessee is the Topaz. The difference is that
Topaz uses the 'twisted panel' forefoot bow technique found on Bolgers
more modern designs. Also, there is the "Blackfish" which is similar
to Topaz but has a wider stern compared with the narrowing Topaz
stern. I am guessing that if you asked Bolger, he would try to steer
you towards his more recent designs because they reflect his most
recent ideas of what is "good". The blunter Tennessee bow might not
cut as cleanly through choppy water as the twisted panel. My guess
would be these boats all would take about the same amount of time to
build. (variables+/-, of course, but building time correlates closely
with total displacement, and these three boats have nearly identical
displacements.)
Here are some 3D renderings of Tennessee.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&ss=2&w=86125870%40N00&q=tennessee&m=text
I will try to put up isometric renderings of the Topaz later...
> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It will beAnother shallow draft Bolger boat almost identical in draft, size and
> perfect...
complexity as the Tennessee is the Topaz. The difference is that
Topaz uses the 'twisted panel' forefoot bow technique found on Bolgers
more modern designs. Also, there is the "Blackfish" which is similar
to Topaz but has a wider stern compared with the narrowing Topaz
stern. I am guessing that if you asked Bolger, he would try to steer
you towards his more recent designs because they reflect his most
recent ideas of what is "good". The blunter Tennessee bow might not
cut as cleanly through choppy water as the twisted panel. My guess
would be these boats all would take about the same amount of time to
build. (variables+/-, of course, but building time correlates closely
with total displacement, and these three boats have nearly identical
displacements.)
Here are some 3D renderings of Tennessee.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=int&ss=2&w=86125870%40N00&q=tennessee&m=text
I will try to put up isometric renderings of the Topaz later...
The name Atkin has long been associated with the best in basic boats. If you are looking for "the right little boat" to build -- or
s. have built -- or if you just like to dream over boat plans -- you'll be delighted with the design collections of John (1918-1999) and William (1882-1962) Atkin, which are now being sold by John's widow, Pat.
Paul Esterle
s. have built -- or if you just like to dream over boat plans -- you'll be delighted with the design collections of John (1918-1999) and William (1882-1962) Atkin, which are now being sold by John's widow, Pat.
Paul Esterle
----- Original Message -----
From: "adventures_in_astrophotography" <jon@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:09 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tennessee Build.
If you like "Gwen O The River", then you might try contacting PB&F
about the "Captain Rebecca Thatcher" design. It appeared in MAIB a
couple of years back, but I don't know if it's actually a finished
design. If it is, it would be much more like Gwen than Tennessee.
With respect to limited information about the Atkin design, I got the
sense that the current business is run by a widow or other relative
of one of the Atkins who may not have much additional information to
provide. Perhaps someone else on this forum can provide more details.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>
> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It
will be
> perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time
look is
> great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one
will
> be first in line.
> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but
the
> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was
it. ???.
> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice
looking
> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee
can
> be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got
me
> hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
> building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am
looking
> for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel?
Pictures?
> Thanks all.I will post the build.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
If you like "Gwen O The River", then you might try contacting PB&F
about the "Captain Rebecca Thatcher" design. It appeared in MAIB a
couple of years back, but I don't know if it's actually a finished
design. If it is, it would be much more like Gwen than Tennessee.
With respect to limited information about the Atkin design, I got the
sense that the current business is run by a widow or other relative
of one of the Atkins who may not have much additional information to
provide. Perhaps someone else on this forum can provide more details.
Jon
about the "Captain Rebecca Thatcher" design. It appeared in MAIB a
couple of years back, but I don't know if it's actually a finished
design. If it is, it would be much more like Gwen than Tennessee.
With respect to limited information about the Atkin design, I got the
sense that the current business is run by a widow or other relative
of one of the Atkins who may not have much additional information to
provide. Perhaps someone else on this forum can provide more details.
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
>
> I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It
will be
> perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time
look is
> great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one
will
> be first in line.
> I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but
the
> Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
> about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was
it. ???.
> If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
> Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice
looking
> boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
> trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee
can
> be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got
me
> hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
> building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am
looking
> for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel?
Pictures?
> Thanks all.I will post the build.
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "my48cj2a" <my48cj2a@...> wrote:
to the river though. Just to south of Goat creek
>Well I do not live on the river.Just in Palm Bay It is a straight line
> Palm Bay
>
to the river though. Just to south of Goat creek
Palm Bay
--- In hi there, where do you live along the indian river, john
I am going to build the Tennessee. I like the shallow draft. It will be
perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time look is
great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one will
be first in line.
I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but the
Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was it. ???.
If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice looking
boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee can
be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got me
hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am looking
for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel? Pictures?
Thanks all.I will post the build.
perfect for the Indian river lagoon Where I live. That old time look is
great. While I have been talking about other boat builds this one will
be first in line.
I had thought about building the Atkins "Gwen O' the river" but the
Atkin & Co people have not been able to answer any of my questions
about it. And when they did it was one sentence and that was it. ???.
If I am not worth the time as a paying customer why build the boat?
Besides,I have seen pictures of the Tennessee in action. Nice looking
boat. I can't find any of the Gwen O' The River. If it could be a
trailerd boat we would see more of them(their loss). The Tennessee can
be,and it is a fine looking boat in and out of the water. What got me
hooked was the EstherMae and the Mangrove Mistress. Is anyone else
building one out there right now? If so please let me know I am looking
for all the info I can get. Any built of foam? Sternwheel? Pictures?
Thanks all.I will post the build.