Re: Elegant Punt Stretched

> Has anyone toyed with the idea of building
> an Elegant Punt 50% to 100% larger than the plans?

There are different ways to look at this. Bolger's instant boat
designs all have compromises of one sort or another to make efficient
use of plywood. Once you enlarge one, even just a little, you can find
you've doubled the amount of ply you have to buy.

The EP was designed as a small boat that could be dominated and kept
upright (or to the desired small angle of heel) by the crew. Once you
go to a bigger boat, it might be better to change the lines a tad for
sailing heeled more of the time. The change might be very small in
looks, but make a worthwhile difference in action. PCB has written
that EP sails better than one of his bigger boats (I think he was
referring to the Thomaston Galley, but I'm not sure) on account of the
tall rig. If you make the boat bigger, and the crew stays the same
size, the rig will have to be reduced, and that might not be good. But
it might be OK.

You would do well to look at PCB's Fieldmouse variants. I think they
are the sort of boat you are looking for. It's usually a good trade
off to upgrade your building skills to get the better boat, rather
than downgrading your expectations for expediency. There is not really
a lot of difference in cost. Mostly, it's time.

All that said, yeah, I did once think (not very seriously) about using
EP as a basis for a pram schooner design in the 28' range. I forget
why I was thinking about designing such a boat, but for a liveaboard,
it would have volume and compactness.

Check out <www.arcebus.net> for a similar enlargement based loosely on
the Nutshell Pram from WoodenBoat. It looks like the concept worked
out pretty well for that fellow.

For rig inspiration, besides the ones mentioned already, look at Super
Mouse and the Japanese Beach Cruiser.

Bob
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On Saturday, February 21, 2009, at 11:30 AM,bolger@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> Has anyone toyed with the idea of building an Elegant Punt 50% to 100%
> larger
> than the
> plans? This would make the boat approximately the size and shape of a
> San
> Francisco
> Pelican -- only without all of the building headaches.
>
> I would guess you could use a Cat yawl rig with sprit sails like on
> the Micro or
> Old Shoe?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>

I see that you're thinking of increasing beam too - so this is not
strictly speaking a stretch, rather, an overall enlargement.

Bolger played around with a 100% enlarged Nymph prospect called Nymph
Cubed (because that is how big a boat enlarged that much becomes) and
dropped it. That was a cabined boat though, and the bilge panels of
the 2-chined shape presented their own difficulties to foil placement
etc.

Stretching just the length is a different prospect though, but at 50%
to 12ft you end up with a boat similar to some others anyway, say,
like an Auray Punt (without the bow overhang). Off-hand, I can't
think what Bolger boat this would be like when stretched 100% to
16ft. Not long ago there was a thread here about the 16ft Garvey
Daysailer...

An existing *instant* boat that will match it with the SF Pelican,
and most likely best it racing or dinghy cruising is the Catfish
beachcruiser...

Graeme


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "givifreak007" <givifreak007@...>
wrote:

>
> Has anyone toyed with the idea of building an Elegant Punt 50% to

100% larger

> than the
> plans? This would make the boat approximately the size and shape of

a San

> Francisco
> Pelican -- only without all of the building headaches.
>
> I would guess you could use a Cat yawl rig with sprit sails like on

the Micro or

> Old Shoe?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>

Steve,

Surf is more like Teal. I think that a larger elegant punt is a great
idea.

Euclide

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <paradox_4@...> wrote:
>
> Take a look at the Bolger Surf it is more or less the Elegant Punt
> with an extra four feet on the length. I believe even the sail area
is
> exactly the same.
>
> Steve
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "givifreak007" <givifreak007@> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone toyed with the idea of building an Elegant Punt 50% to
> 100% larger
> > than the
> > plans? This would make the boat approximately the size and shape
of
> a San
> > Francisco
> > Pelican -- only without all of the building headaches.
> >
> > I would guess you could use a Cat yawl rig with sprit sails like
on
> the Micro or
> > Old Shoe?
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
>

Take a look at the Bolger Surf it is more or less the Elegant Punt
with an extra four feet on the length. I believe even the sail area is
exactly the same.

Steve

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "givifreak007" <givifreak007@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone toyed with the idea of building an Elegant Punt 50% to
100% larger
> than the
> plans? This would make the boat approximately the size and shape of
a San
> Francisco
> Pelican -- only without all of the building headaches.
>
> I would guess you could use a Cat yawl rig with sprit sails like on
the Micro or
> Old Shoe?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>

Has anyone toyed with the idea of building an Elegant Punt 50% to 100% larger
than the
plans? This would make the boat approximately the size and shape of a San
Francisco
Pelican -- only without all of the building headaches.

I would guess you could use a Cat yawl rig with sprit sails like on the Micro or
Old Shoe?

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Kevin