Re: More on Design/ BW
Thanks Doug
Got your message and you can keep your sheep flies
Thanks -Darrell
Got your message and you can keep your sheep flies
Thanks -Darrell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Doug Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce Hallman wrote:
> >
> > > and in light of Bruce's comment- "IMO, headroom on a boat is needed
> > > about as much as headroom is needed in an automobile."
> >
> > I don't want to take credit for this being an original thought. I
> > recall that L. Francis Herreshoff wrote, (I think in his book Sensible
> > Cruising Designs) that he never sleeps, reads, or eats standing up so
> > he doesn't miss standing headroom. And, I recall reading. I forget
> > where (Annie Hill?), that a negative effect of standing headroom in
> > rough conditions is that you have further to get tossed around with
> > increased risk of injury.
> >
> >
> I would say standing head room or not is to a great degree what you
> are doing with the boat. We lived abord Bolgers Wolf trap for 18
> months. While we were traveling, sailing the Bahammas, Florida keys and
> messing around the carolina's and Georgia stahnding head room was never
> missed. Most time was spent outdoors anyway. We slept in the cabin
> part of the time on deck some and in the cockpit some. There was
> standing room for me 5' 7" in the head where it counts cause it's
nice
> to stand and pull your pants up.
> The problem began when we worked in the winter in the Chesapeake
> bay. Here you are trapped inside by cold weather snow and such. A
> winter of that gets to be a drag. We sold her and bought a Fantasia
35
> though I din't like the boat much with it's 7 ft of headroom in the
main
> salon and 6ft farther forward and the aft cabin we felt much less
> confineing. A boat with lots of headroom has the feel of a much
bigger
> boat though it may not be. Other than living aboard in colder
climates I
> very much like the boats that are lower on top the water.
> On Wolf trap we used a biminy and izenglass side curtains. ( only
> in the winter) With a kero heater out there, a few fairly warm
cloths,
> an enclosed cockpit can be great on a cold and even rainy day. The top
> needs to be plastic as any amount of rain will beat through a sunbrella
> one no matter how much you water proof them. Set under one long enough
> and the fine mist that comes through will eventually get you damp all
> over.
> Here on the Chesapeke in some places we have what is locally called
> sheep flies. The buggers bite! The must hve teeth like a tiger cause
> they hurt like hell when they bite. They are striped and look like a
> F18 with their swept back wings.
>
> Doug
>
Bruce Hallman wrote:
are doing with the boat. We lived abord Bolgers Wolf trap for 18
months. While we were traveling, sailing the Bahammas, Florida keys and
messing around the carolina's and Georgia stahnding head room was never
missed. Most time was spent outdoors anyway. We slept in the cabin
part of the time on deck some and in the cockpit some. There was
standing room for me 5' 7" in the head where it counts cause it's nice
to stand and pull your pants up.
The problem began when we worked in the winter in the Chesapeake
bay. Here you are trapped inside by cold weather snow and such. A
winter of that gets to be a drag. We sold her and bought a Fantasia 35
though I din't like the boat much with it's 7 ft of headroom in the main
salon and 6ft farther forward and the aft cabin we felt much less
confineing. A boat with lots of headroom has the feel of a much bigger
boat though it may not be. Other than living aboard in colder climates I
very much like the boats that are lower on top the water.
On Wolf trap we used a biminy and izenglass side curtains. ( only
in the winter) With a kero heater out there, a few fairly warm cloths,
an enclosed cockpit can be great on a cold and even rainy day. The top
needs to be plastic as any amount of rain will beat through a sunbrella
one no matter how much you water proof them. Set under one long enough
and the fine mist that comes through will eventually get you damp all
over.
Here on the Chesapeke in some places we have what is locally called
sheep flies. The buggers bite! The must hve teeth like a tiger cause
they hurt like hell when they bite. They are striped and look like a
F18 with their swept back wings.
Doug
>I would say standing head room or not is to a great degree what you
> > and in light of Bruce's comment- "IMO, headroom on a boat is needed
> > about as much as headroom is needed in an automobile."
>
> I don't want to take credit for this being an original thought. I
> recall that L. Francis Herreshoff wrote, (I think in his book Sensible
> Cruising Designs) that he never sleeps, reads, or eats standing up so
> he doesn't miss standing headroom. And, I recall reading. I forget
> where (Annie Hill?), that a negative effect of standing headroom in
> rough conditions is that you have further to get tossed around with
> increased risk of injury.
>
>
are doing with the boat. We lived abord Bolgers Wolf trap for 18
months. While we were traveling, sailing the Bahammas, Florida keys and
messing around the carolina's and Georgia stahnding head room was never
missed. Most time was spent outdoors anyway. We slept in the cabin
part of the time on deck some and in the cockpit some. There was
standing room for me 5' 7" in the head where it counts cause it's nice
to stand and pull your pants up.
The problem began when we worked in the winter in the Chesapeake
bay. Here you are trapped inside by cold weather snow and such. A
winter of that gets to be a drag. We sold her and bought a Fantasia 35
though I din't like the boat much with it's 7 ft of headroom in the main
salon and 6ft farther forward and the aft cabin we felt much less
confineing. A boat with lots of headroom has the feel of a much bigger
boat though it may not be. Other than living aboard in colder climates I
very much like the boats that are lower on top the water.
On Wolf trap we used a biminy and izenglass side curtains. ( only
in the winter) With a kero heater out there, a few fairly warm cloths,
an enclosed cockpit can be great on a cold and even rainy day. The top
needs to be plastic as any amount of rain will beat through a sunbrella
one no matter how much you water proof them. Set under one long enough
and the fine mist that comes through will eventually get you damp all
over.
Here on the Chesapeke in some places we have what is locally called
sheep flies. The buggers bite! The must hve teeth like a tiger cause
they hurt like hell when they bite. They are striped and look like a
F18 with their swept back wings.
Doug
> and in light of Bruce's comment- "IMO, headroom on a boat is neededI don't want to take credit for this being an original thought. I
> about as much as headroom is needed in an automobile."
recall that L. Francis Herreshoff wrote, (I think in his book Sensible
Cruising Designs) that he never sleeps, reads, or eats standing up so
he doesn't miss standing headroom. And, I recall reading. I forget
where (Annie Hill?), that a negative effect of standing headroom in
rough conditions is that you have further to get tossed around with
increased risk of injury.
Hello Eric
Now settle down Eric your getting carried away. I reckon Bolger is
probably considered to be on "the fringe" but this is a bit much.
The open slot as in BW I reckon is worth considering for a few designs
and in light of Bruce's comment- "IMO, headroom on a boat is needed
about as much as headroom is needed in an automobile." Even something
like Bantam which I am keen on.
FMS, to me looks good, however not much info apparent, especially on
speed and economy. Looks like most are wacking dirty great motors on
them (70-140 hp). That's not what we're after. Would be good to know
how it behaves in displacement mode.
Now settle down Eric your getting carried away. I reckon Bolger is
probably considered to be on "the fringe" but this is a bit much.
The open slot as in BW I reckon is worth considering for a few designs
and in light of Bruce's comment- "IMO, headroom on a boat is needed
about as much as headroom is needed in an automobile." Even something
like Bantam which I am keen on.
FMS, to me looks good, however not much info apparent, especially on
speed and economy. Looks like most are wacking dirty great motors on
them (70-140 hp). That's not what we're after. Would be good to know
how it behaves in displacement mode.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eohiggins" <eohiggins@...> wrote:
>
> Darrell:
> Of all the suggestions to you that I've seen, the Fast Motorsailer
seems to be the best fit.
> The original design (if I recall correctly) had a pop-top cabin
hatch. How about a BW style full
> length open cabintop with a bimini and curtain for the sides.
> Rodgers and Hammerstein: Surrey with the fringe on the top with
... "isinglas curtains you
> can roll right down, in case there's a change in the weather."
> Your warmer climate should make shade with lots of breeze pretty
attractive. Besides you
> can't outrun sandflies at six knots. My experience from bicycle
touring is that 12 mph is
> needed.
> Eric
>
Darrell:
Of all the suggestions to you that I've seen, the Fast Motorsailer seems to be the best fit.
The original design (if I recall correctly) had a pop-top cabin hatch. How about a BW style full
length open cabintop with a bimini and curtain for the sides.
Rodgers and Hammerstein: Surrey with the fringe on the top with ... "isinglas curtains you
can roll right down, in case there's a change in the weather."
Your warmer climate should make shade with lots of breeze pretty attractive. Besides you
can't outrun sandflies at six knots. My experience from bicycle touring is that 12 mph is
needed.
Eric
Of all the suggestions to you that I've seen, the Fast Motorsailer seems to be the best fit.
The original design (if I recall correctly) had a pop-top cabin hatch. How about a BW style full
length open cabintop with a bimini and curtain for the sides.
Rodgers and Hammerstein: Surrey with the fringe on the top with ... "isinglas curtains you
can roll right down, in case there's a change in the weather."
Your warmer climate should make shade with lots of breeze pretty attractive. Besides you
can't outrun sandflies at six knots. My experience from bicycle touring is that 12 mph is
needed.
Eric