Re: Long Micro construction video/slide-show
Hello Bill & Myles
AS a stop-gap measure I sheathed the rudder post of my Micro with two layers of 6oz glass cloth set in epoxy and sanded it down smooth this weekend. It still fits, just!, through the hole in the bottom of the boat. Whilst at it I decided to put the end-plates on the bottom of the rudder but so far they are just cut out ready to add. The joys of having a boat 300kms from where you live for most of the time!
Should have just done this ages ago instead of waiting for the perfect remedy.
Oh well, GregF
AS a stop-gap measure I sheathed the rudder post of my Micro with two layers of 6oz glass cloth set in epoxy and sanded it down smooth this weekend. It still fits, just!, through the hole in the bottom of the boat. Whilst at it I decided to put the end-plates on the bottom of the rudder but so far they are just cut out ready to add. The joys of having a boat 300kms from where you live for most of the time!
Should have just done this ages ago instead of waiting for the perfect remedy.
Oh well, GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Greg (and Myles),
> I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
> I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
>
> My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
>
> Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
>
> Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
>
> Bill, LM Pugnacious
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
> >
> > GregF
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Bill,
> > >
> > > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
> > >
> > > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
> > >
> > > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
> > >
> > > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
> > >
> > >http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
> > >
> > > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
> > >
> > > GregF
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greg,
> > > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
> > > >
> > > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
> > > >
> > > > Glad you found something useful in there.
> > > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, thanks Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
> > > > >
> > > > > GregF
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All,
> > > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > > > > > timeline.
> > > > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Hello Col from Oz
Are you doing a Micro or a Long Micro, up there?
GregF
Are you doing a Micro or a Long Micro, up there?
GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Col" <colmooney@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill,
> Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven't touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and illness in the family but still keen to get her finished. Hey, I thought of building her about 10 years ago, whats the rush? She is still upside down, keel sheathing is done waiting for fibreglass on the bottom. In the meantime sailing my Surf lots, sailed her on the ocean the other day and caught a few fish to boot. (protected bay - Woody Head near Iluka, NSW) Grateful for the current discussion on the rudder bearing, must get my act together and join in!
> Cheers,Col
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> >
> > Greg (and Myles),
> > I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
> > I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
> >
> > My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
> >
> > Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
> >
> > Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
> >
> > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> >
>
Hi Bill,
Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven't touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and illness in the family but still keen to get her finished. Hey, I thought of building her about 10 years ago, whats the rush? She is still upside down, keel sheathing is done waiting for fibreglass on the bottom. In the meantime sailing my Surf lots, sailed her on the ocean the other day and caught a few fish to boot. (protected bay - Woody Head near Iluka, NSW) Grateful for the current discussion on the rudder bearing, must get my act together and join in!
Cheers,Col
Col from Oz here, still lurking around the group reading the posts when I can. I haven't touched Micro for a few months due to work commitments and illness in the family but still keen to get her finished. Hey, I thought of building her about 10 years ago, whats the rush? She is still upside down, keel sheathing is done waiting for fibreglass on the bottom. In the meantime sailing my Surf lots, sailed her on the ocean the other day and caught a few fish to boot. (protected bay - Woody Head near Iluka, NSW) Grateful for the current discussion on the rudder bearing, must get my act together and join in!
Cheers,Col
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Greg (and Myles),
> I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
> I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
>
> My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
>
> Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
>
> Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
>
> Bill, LM Pugnacious
>
Hi Bill
Ah! Col from Oz! No, don't know who he is!
But that bottom bearing on the Micro & LM does seem to be very vulnerable. Especially when the bottom touches. I know that getting a strainless rudder made would be expensive and if i had teh skills I'd follow your advice, but....
Myles idea is a good one too, and that may be a good stop-gap measure for me until I get around to getting the rudder done. i'll do a bit of investigation.
Yes, the spelling was a bit much! Still that post has had a few hits, maybe they just wanted to see what it was about!
GregF
Ah! Col from Oz! No, don't know who he is!
But that bottom bearing on the Micro & LM does seem to be very vulnerable. Especially when the bottom touches. I know that getting a strainless rudder made would be expensive and if i had teh skills I'd follow your advice, but....
Myles idea is a good one too, and that may be a good stop-gap measure for me until I get around to getting the rudder done. i'll do a bit of investigation.
Yes, the spelling was a bit much! Still that post has had a few hits, maybe they just wanted to see what it was about!
GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Greg (and Myles),
> I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
> I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
>
> My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
>
> Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
>
> Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
>
> Bill, LM Pugnacious
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
> >
> > GregF
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Bill,
> > >
> > > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
> > >
> > > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
> > >
> > > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
> > >
> > > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
> > >
> > >http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
> > >
> > > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
> > >
> > > GregF
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Greg,
> > > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
> > > >
> > > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
> > > >
> > > > Glad you found something useful in there.
> > > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, thanks Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
> > > > >
> > > > > GregF
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All,
> > > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > > > > > timeline.
> > > > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> poured a lower mount of aluminum. I've never had another problem in that area.Cast aluminum, impressive, <smile>.
>
> MylesJ
My Micro rudder post mount is made of UHMW Polyethylene, (from ebay)
which has worked for me.
Greg (and Myles),
I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
Bill, LM Pugnacious
I'm always happy to talk about Micros and LMs!
I also looked into building my rudder assembly from stainless steel, but just the price of the materials was prohibitive. Steel boats ply the seas every day, so I figured my steel rudder (coated in cloth, epoxy, and paint) would be fine. The whole assembly weights approx. 10-15 lbs, but it's hollow, so I think it's neutrally buoyant in the water.
My bottom rudder pivot/mount is also stainless. My first two seasons I used a mount laminated from 4 pieces of 1/16 inch thick stainless (thus, .25 inches thick total). This year I used a chunk of .25 inch ss stock. I've never had a problem with my bottom mount.
Sometimes my LM sits on the bottom (when the winds blow the water from my harbor, the water level will drop enough to put balance my LM on her keel in about 1 foot of water). I wanted a rudder stiff enough to handle such incidents.
Greg. I recall you post to the Oz woodworkers site made under the influence of holiday cheer. The spelling is still close enough that the page shows in a Google search for Bolger long micro. Wasn't there a fellow named Col, from Oz, who was building a micro? What is he up to?
Bill, LM Pugnacious
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
>
> GregF
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Bill,
> >
> > Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
> >
> > I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
> >
> > Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
> >
> > I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
> >
> >http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
> >
> > Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
> >
> > GregF
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greg,
> > > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
> > >
> > > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
> > >
> > > Glad you found something useful in there.
> > > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, thanks Bill
> > > >
> > > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
> > > >
> > > > GregF
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All,
> > > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > > > > timeline.
> > > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
On my Micro I sanded away about an 1/8 of an inch around the bottom of the rudder post and wrapped it with glass tape and epoxy when I built it originally. I broke a couple of sets of the wooden lower mounts. I glued the pieces back together and used it as a form and poured a lower mount of aluminum. I've never had another problem in that area.
MylesJ
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MylesJ
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Oh, by the way, if you do check out that Australian Wooden Boat Forum, don't be surprised to find that the heading of the original post is Bolger Lonf Micro Yourube - it was the new year cheer coupled with a distinct lack of editorial checking!
GregF
GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Bill,
>
> Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
>
> I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
>
> Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
>
> I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
>
>http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
>
> Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
>
> GregF
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,
> > I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
> >
> > I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
> >
> > Glad you found something useful in there.
> > Bill, LM Pugnacious
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, thanks Bill
> > >
> > > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
> > >
> > > GregF
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> > > >
> > > > Bill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > > > timeline.
> > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Hello Bill,
Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
GregF
Well, thanks for all that6 further detail on your rudder, I've been thinking that I need to get a stainless steel rudder and rudder post made for my Micro and you've just pushed me over the edge into a firm commitment to do that soon.
I know exactly what you mean and when out on my boat I am always aware that the rudder is a potential weak point. There's no way I'd try to do it myself as my welding skills are practically nil. I have tried it, so I can say that with authority!
Weight would not be an issue, I think?, so nothing wrong with going for stainless I'd imagine.
I think your Youtube slide show is quite a creative and practical idea and I have put a link to it in a local Wooden Boat Forum site:
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=86576
Thanks for this further information about how you made your metal rudder Bill.
GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,
> I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
>
> I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
>
> Glad you found something useful in there.
> Bill, LM Pugnacious
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, thanks Bill
> >
> > Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
> >
> > GregF
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> > >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > > timeline.
> > > > Enjoy!
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > > >
> > > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Greg,
I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
Glad you found something useful in there.
Bill, LM Pugnacious
I welded the rudder from a stick of exhaust tubing and a sheet of steel I had in my shop. I welded it together, filled the bottom 1/2 inch with thickened epoxy, then sealed the entire assembly with 6 oz cloth and epoxy, primer, and bottom paint. After 1.5 seasons there's no rust, but I've been in fresh water.
I had read of others splitting their wooden rudder posts. When I mentioned this to Bolger his response was, "The wooden rudder certainly should have been specified to be wrapped with some lasting cord." I wanted a rudder robust enough to handle grounding. Sailing my LM , I see that the rudder/tiller experiences strong loads when sailing backwards, and when over canvassed on a beam run (when my LM develops a lot of weather helm). The bullet-proof metal rudder eases my mind.
Glad you found something useful in there.
Bill, LM Pugnacious
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Flemming" <greg@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, thanks Bill
>
> Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
>
> GregF
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@> wrote:
> >
> > Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> > >
> > > All,
> > > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > > timeline.
> > > Enjoy!
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> > >
> > > Bill, in Ohio
> > > Long Micro Pugnacious
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Yes, thanks Bill
Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
GregF
Very interesting indeed, and the metal rudder and rudder post is of particular interest. The wooden post seems to me to be a bit of a weak spot, actually.
GregF
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Gabriel K. McAtee" <gmcatee@...> wrote:
>
> Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > All,
> > I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> > like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> > showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> > music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> > a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> > what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> > timeline.
> > Enjoy!
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
> >
> > Bill, in Ohio
> > Long Micro Pugnacious
> >
> >
>
Very nice! Thanks for sharing...
Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
>
> All,
> I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
> like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
> showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
> music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
> a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
> what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
> timeline.
> Enjoy!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc>
>
> Bill, in Ohio
> Long Micro Pugnacious
>
>
All,
I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
timeline.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
Bill, in Ohio
Long Micro Pugnacious
I posted a short YouTube video (actually, it's a slideshow,
like the ones you had in the 2nd grade, but without the beeps)
showing the construction process of my Long Micro. There's
music, fancy captions and transitions, an axe-handle, and
a garage full of crap. It might be useful because it shows
what the boat looks like at various spots along the construction
timeline.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc
Bill, in Ohio
Long Micro Pugnacious