Re:Looking for a recipe...
Thanks to all for comments on plywood testing. The dishwasher test sounds
interesting but since I'm the dishwasher in this house I think I'll pass on
that one. The plywood that caught my attention is 5.2 mm virola available at
Home Depot. It is made up of three nearly equally thick layers. Ten years
ago I built a Gypsy out of similar looking (i.e. three equal layers) 3/8"
underlay ply. The main difference is that the underlay had one rough side
and one really rough side. I used the better side for exterior and filled
the rougher side. The boat is still going strong, in the truest meaning of
the word. After many collisions with rocks and occasionally other boats
while racing she shows no damage. The only noticeable drawback is the
checking that occurs on the interior surface. The outside is fully glassed.
The initial appeal of the virola is the apparent absence of voids (is that a
double negative?). I'm a bit suspicious of it because the local Home Depot
stores it indoors instead of the big drive thru shed with all the exterior
plywoods. But so far it has survived all the abuse I can heap on it. Has
anyone had experience with this stuff?
jeb, slowly thawing on the dripping shores of Fundy
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interesting but since I'm the dishwasher in this house I think I'll pass on
that one. The plywood that caught my attention is 5.2 mm virola available at
Home Depot. It is made up of three nearly equally thick layers. Ten years
ago I built a Gypsy out of similar looking (i.e. three equal layers) 3/8"
underlay ply. The main difference is that the underlay had one rough side
and one really rough side. I used the better side for exterior and filled
the rougher side. The boat is still going strong, in the truest meaning of
the word. After many collisions with rocks and occasionally other boats
while racing she shows no damage. The only noticeable drawback is the
checking that occurs on the interior surface. The outside is fully glassed.
The initial appeal of the virola is the apparent absence of voids (is that a
double negative?). I'm a bit suspicious of it because the local Home Depot
stores it indoors instead of the big drive thru shed with all the exterior
plywoods. But so far it has survived all the abuse I can heap on it. Has
anyone had experience with this stuff?
jeb, slowly thawing on the dripping shores of Fundy
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I'd agree that it would skew a scientific test but most plywood test
are basically "think up the worst thing that you can and add to
that". Since glues are not metallic I'd guess that the detergents
wouldn't have much effect on them. At least they would not give a
false positive, only a false negative. The real test is wet dry hot
cold cycling. I've only done one test like that and the ply lived.
I don't test my good stuff.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
are basically "think up the worst thing that you can and add to
that". Since glues are not metallic I'd guess that the detergents
wouldn't have much effect on them. At least they would not give a
false positive, only a false negative. The real test is wet dry hot
cold cycling. I've only done one test like that and the ply lived.
I don't test my good stuff.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 11 Mar, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Christopher C. Wetherill wrote:
> Gene,
>
> I Guess I need to clarify. High end cookware made from anodized
> aluminum carries a warranty that voids if the pots are put in the
> dishwasher. The stated reason is that the finish will be destroyed by
> the soap because it is caustic. My question is: If this is an issue
> with anodized aluminum, will the soap skew the test for the plywood?
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> Gene Tehansky wrote:
> > Christopher,
> > There is a lot of aluminum cook ware so I'd guess that for the short
> > time of a wash cycle there is little concern over corrosion. I
> > certainly wouldn't soak a piece of any metal in the stuff and expect
> > to get it all back.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
> >
> > On 11 Mar, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Christopher C. Wetherill wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Is there any issue with the fact that the soap used in
> diswashers is
> >> caustic enough to etch aluminum?
> >>
> >> Harry James wrote:
> >>
> >>> I always put a hunk in the dishwasher for a week or two. Pretty
> >>> stressful environment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
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Gene,
I Guess I need to clarify. High end cookware made from anodized
aluminum carries a warranty that voids if the pots are put in the
dishwasher. The stated reason is that the finish will be destroyed by
the soap because it is caustic. My question is: If this is an issue
with anodized aluminum, will the soap skew the test for the plywood?
V/R
Chris
Gene Tehansky wrote:
I Guess I need to clarify. High end cookware made from anodized
aluminum carries a warranty that voids if the pots are put in the
dishwasher. The stated reason is that the finish will be destroyed by
the soap because it is caustic. My question is: If this is an issue
with anodized aluminum, will the soap skew the test for the plywood?
V/R
Chris
Gene Tehansky wrote:
> Christopher,
> There is a lot of aluminum cook ware so I'd guess that for the short
> time of a wash cycle there is little concern over corrosion. I
> certainly wouldn't soak a piece of any metal in the stuff and expect
> to get it all back.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 11 Mar, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Christopher C. Wetherill wrote:
>
>
>> Is there any issue with the fact that the soap used in diswashers is
>> caustic enough to etch aluminum?
>>
>> Harry James wrote:
>>
>>> I always put a hunk in the dishwasher for a week or two. Pretty
>>> stressful environment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
I always put a hunk in the dishwasher for a week or two. Pretty
stressful environment.
HJ
Jack&Lois wrote:
stressful environment.
HJ
Jack&Lois wrote:
> …for plywood soup. I’ve frequently noticed mention of boiling a piece of
> plywood in salted water to test for boat building suitability. On the few
> occasions I’ve built a small boat of non-marine ply I’ve used exterior or
> underlay grade, sort of on blind faith. So far I’ve been lucky. But I’ve
> stumbled across an interesting and very inexpensive plywood I’ve not seen or
> used before. I assume the boiling test is for the glue. What’s the cooking
> time for a small chunk of ¼” ply? I also assume that I’m looking for
> delamination and/or buckling. Are there any other symptoms to watch for? I
> look forward to cooking tips.
>
>
>
> jeb, in my kitchen on the cloud shrouded shores of Fundy
>
>
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Christopher,
There is a lot of aluminum cook ware so I'd guess that for the short
time of a wash cycle there is little concern over corrosion. I
certainly wouldn't soak a piece of any metal in the stuff and expect
to get it all back.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
There is a lot of aluminum cook ware so I'd guess that for the short
time of a wash cycle there is little concern over corrosion. I
certainly wouldn't soak a piece of any metal in the stuff and expect
to get it all back.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 11 Mar, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Christopher C. Wetherill wrote:
> Is there any issue with the fact that the soap used in diswashers is
> caustic enough to etch aluminum?
>
> Harry James wrote:
> > I always put a hunk in the dishwasher for a week or two. Pretty
> > stressful environment.
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Is there any issue with the fact that the soap used in diswashers is
caustic enough to etch aluminum?
Harry James wrote:
caustic enough to etch aluminum?
Harry James wrote:
> I always put a hunk in the dishwasher for a week or two. Pretty[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> stressful environment.
>
>
Another alternative if you are not satisfied with your cooking skills
it to just wash it in the dishwasher for a few cycles. I think it is
delamination, glue failure that is being looked for. I also heard
that interior glues are light in color and the exterior ones are
dark. I guess that is just a way to keep from dragging home sheets
that will probably fail the test. The interior glues must be cheaper
and easier to use/cure than the exterior. Otherwise I just don't see
why they would use them. I'm not to happy when that panel under my
sink starts to delaminate!
Sincerely,
Gene T.
it to just wash it in the dishwasher for a few cycles. I think it is
delamination, glue failure that is being looked for. I also heard
that interior glues are light in color and the exterior ones are
dark. I guess that is just a way to keep from dragging home sheets
that will probably fail the test. The interior glues must be cheaper
and easier to use/cure than the exterior. Otherwise I just don't see
why they would use them. I'm not to happy when that panel under my
sink starts to delaminate!
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 11 Mar, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Jack&Lois wrote:
> �for plywood soup. I�ve frequently noticed mention of boiling a
> piece of
> plywood in salted water to test for boat building suitability. On
> the few
> occasions I�ve built a small boat of non-marine ply I�ve used
> exterior or
> underlay grade, sort of on blind faith. So far I�ve been lucky. But
> I�ve
> stumbled across an interesting and very inexpensive plywood I�ve
> not seen or
> used before. I assume the boiling test is for the glue. What�s the
> cooking
> time for a small chunk of �� ply? I also assume that I�m looking for
> delamination and/or buckling. Are there any other symptoms to watch
> for? I
> look forward to cooking tips.
>
> jeb, in my kitchen on the cloud shrouded shores of Fundy
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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for plywood soup. Ive frequently noticed mention of boiling a piece of
plywood in salted water to test for boat building suitability. On the few
occasions Ive built a small boat of non-marine ply Ive used exterior or
underlay grade, sort of on blind faith. So far Ive been lucky. But Ive
stumbled across an interesting and very inexpensive plywood Ive not seen or
used before. I assume the boiling test is for the glue. Whats the cooking
time for a small chunk of ¼ ply? I also assume that Im looking for
delamination and/or buckling. Are there any other symptoms to watch for? I
look forward to cooking tips.
jeb, in my kitchen on the cloud shrouded shores of Fundy
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plywood in salted water to test for boat building suitability. On the few
occasions Ive built a small boat of non-marine ply Ive used exterior or
underlay grade, sort of on blind faith. So far Ive been lucky. But Ive
stumbled across an interesting and very inexpensive plywood Ive not seen or
used before. I assume the boiling test is for the glue. Whats the cooking
time for a small chunk of ¼ ply? I also assume that Im looking for
delamination and/or buckling. Are there any other symptoms to watch for? I
look forward to cooking tips.
jeb, in my kitchen on the cloud shrouded shores of Fundy
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