Re: [bolger] Re: MicroNavSail
That sailmaker in PT makes sails that are works of art. Most of us don't
need anything that fancy for our little boats. <g> Our local sailmaker,
Lynne Fabricant, is real good, has experience with traditional sails (she
learned her trade in Port Townsend), and is interested in doing simple
sails, with little expensive hand work, for people like us. She's a real
nice lady too, and a genuine boat nut. Give her a call. Her eyes light up
whenever an opportunity to make something other than modern sails for the
racers on the local mudhole. <g>
http://www.sailmakersart.com/
need anything that fancy for our little boats. <g> Our local sailmaker,
Lynne Fabricant, is real good, has experience with traditional sails (she
learned her trade in Port Townsend), and is interested in doing simple
sails, with little expensive hand work, for people like us. She's a real
nice lady too, and a genuine boat nut. Give her a call. Her eyes light up
whenever an opportunity to make something other than modern sails for the
racers on the local mudhole. <g>
http://www.sailmakersart.com/
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:43:38 -0700, Bruce H wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM, loosemoosefilmworks
> <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>> Bruce...I'm curious just what sort of sail you got such a high quote
>> for?
>
> Well, I corresponded with just one sail loft (to remain nameless) in
> Port Townsend, a real loft that has a reputation for "traditional
> rigs". The Micro Navigator mainsail has those long and unusual batten
> pockets, which might account for some of the high price. Is there a
> rule of thumb for pricing sails? dollar per SF
--
John <jkohnen@...>
In politics, absurdity is not a handicap. <Napoleon Bonaparte>
My guesstimate on what it should cost would be more on the order of about $600 for the main and another $150 for the mizzen. Thats cost of all material from Sailrite...I'm sure to have them sew it up for you would double the numbers. Still along way from the $3000 mark!
That said I am just not a huge fan of the gaff/junk hybrid sail as it combines all of the problems of the gaff with all of the problems of the junk and a couple of extra problems all its own without any of the real advantages of the various types.
If I were going to build the design I'd opt for the balanced lug with Leg of mutton mizzen which would be more powerful with a lot less to go wrong. The ONLY hindsight mistake I made on LM2 was to have Phil draw it as a gaff instead of a Balanced Lug. Fact is that Sheila and I were already planning to change the rig over to Lug when we lost LM2...
A slightly scaled down Martha Jane rig would rock...You could even have it as a roller furling sail!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
That said I am just not a huge fan of the gaff/junk hybrid sail as it combines all of the problems of the gaff with all of the problems of the junk and a couple of extra problems all its own without any of the real advantages of the various types.
If I were going to build the design I'd opt for the balanced lug with Leg of mutton mizzen which would be more powerful with a lot less to go wrong. The ONLY hindsight mistake I made on LM2 was to have Phil draw it as a gaff instead of a Balanced Lug. Fact is that Sheila and I were already planning to change the rig over to Lug when we lost LM2...
A slightly scaled down Martha Jane rig would rock...You could even have it as a roller furling sail!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> > ..Do you have a link to the sail plan?
>
>http://www.friend.ly.net/users/dadadata/junk/PCB_Micro_Navigator.gif
>
>
> Total sail area about 200 SF.
>
> ..Do you have a link to the sail plan?http://www.friend.ly.net/users/dadadata/junk/PCB_Micro_Navigator.gif
Total sail area about 200 SF.
Bruce...Do you have a link to the sail plan? Or could you send me the drawing?
There are a LOT of factors that make up the price...Sail cloth type/weight + the amount of work that goes into them and so on.
One thing I learned with sails is that they are way easier to make than a Bolger boat and we ALL know how easy that is...Sadly it is getting harder and harder to find lofts that build sails and the ones who do tend to be very pricey as it does not take a whole lot of labor at $75. an hour to make for silly prices!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
There are a LOT of factors that make up the price...Sail cloth type/weight + the amount of work that goes into them and so on.
One thing I learned with sails is that they are way easier to make than a Bolger boat and we ALL know how easy that is...Sadly it is getting harder and harder to find lofts that build sails and the ones who do tend to be very pricey as it does not take a whole lot of labor at $75. an hour to make for silly prices!
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
Bruce,
Thanks. That should make it easier to start when the time comes. 2
years sounds good for sail life, I can live with it. $3000 is an
insane number and I am not sure how the general sailing public puts
up with it. And that is for plain old sail cloth, not any of the new
wizbang fabrics. I sewed the polytarp sails for my single handed
schooner so the Micro Navigator sails seem like a small job. I had
better start collecting lead for the keel!
Thanks,
Gene T.
Thanks. That should make it easier to start when the time comes. 2
years sounds good for sail life, I can live with it. $3000 is an
insane number and I am not sure how the general sailing public puts
up with it. And that is for plain old sail cloth, not any of the new
wizbang fabrics. I sewed the polytarp sails for my single handed
schooner so the Micro Navigator sails seem like a small job. I had
better start collecting lead for the keel!
Thanks,
Gene T.
On 11 Mar, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Gene Tehansky
> <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> > Bruce,
> > I was looking at the Simplified Offshore Cruiser fore sail on
> flicker
> > and searched around and ran into a MicroNavSail of yours. Is that
> > the cut plan you used for your Micro Navigator Chinese Lug? What is
> > the reference to Trisail on there? Do you have a writeup about that
> > sail somewhere I might have forgotten about. I thought I had mined
> > the internet for all of your Micro Navigator information. Obviously
> > not since I just found this!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
>
> After pricing sails sewn from real sailcloth at $3000+, I am sticking
> with polytarp sails. They seem to only last two years, and I have
> just cut my third polytarp set. The cut diagram on Flickr was useful
> to myself, put their so I can find it for cutting a fourth set. The
> triangle sail is the mizzen sail. The layout it tight to get out of a
> 20x12 (19'7"x 11'7") 8 ounce white canopy grade from www.tarps.com
> $56.62 shipped ground , and the top of the main needs a 10 inch piece
> sewn on. I have given up on any hope of finding adhesive to stick to
> polytarp, and this time I just used my $49 sewing machine set on
> zig-zag.
>
>
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:24 PM, loosemoosefilmworks
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
Port Townsend, a real loft that has a reputation for "traditional
rigs". The Micro Navigator mainsail has those long and unusual batten
pockets, which might account for some of the high price. Is there a
rule of thumb for pricing sails? dollar per SF
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
> Bruce...I'm curious just what sort of sail you got such a high quote for?Well, I corresponded with just one sail loft (to remain nameless) in
Port Townsend, a real loft that has a reputation for "traditional
rigs". The Micro Navigator mainsail has those long and unusual batten
pockets, which might account for some of the high price. Is there a
rule of thumb for pricing sails? dollar per SF
Bruce...I'm curious just what sort of sail you got such a high quote for?
The reaching Spinnaker we used on Loose Moose 2 was flat cut with no belly at all and sewing one up is such a simple job there is hardly any labor in it. I made ours for LM2 and it took me about five hours start to finish... For a Micro Nav not a whole lot of material either!
One of the big hassles of of having even slightly different sail plans is that most sail lofts these days ( well these days they are not really sail lofts as much as they are order takers) seem to have a real problem with any sail that does not conform to what a real sail is ...You know like a Bendytoy 50 or some such!
Since we are speaking of things Micro last year I built a Micro for a friend and the cost for a Main and Mizzen from Sailrite ( not a kit sail) was $975 and they did an awesome job on them as well...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
The reaching Spinnaker we used on Loose Moose 2 was flat cut with no belly at all and sewing one up is such a simple job there is hardly any labor in it. I made ours for LM2 and it took me about five hours start to finish... For a Micro Nav not a whole lot of material either!
One of the big hassles of of having even slightly different sail plans is that most sail lofts these days ( well these days they are not really sail lofts as much as they are order takers) seem to have a real problem with any sail that does not conform to what a real sail is ...You know like a Bendytoy 50 or some such!
Since we are speaking of things Micro last year I built a Micro for a friend and the cost for a Main and Mizzen from Sailrite ( not a kit sail) was $975 and they did an awesome job on them as well...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Gene Tehansky
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
with polytarp sails. They seem to only last two years, and I have
just cut my third polytarp set. The cut diagram on Flickr was useful
to myself, put their so I can find it for cutting a fourth set. The
triangle sail is the mizzen sail. The layout it tight to get out of a
20x12 (19'7"x 11'7") 8 ounce white canopy grade from www.tarps.com
$56.62 shipped ground , and the top of the main needs a 10 inch piece
sewn on. I have given up on any hope of finding adhesive to stick to
polytarp, and this time I just used my $49 sewing machine set on
zig-zag.
<goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
> Bruce,After pricing sails sewn from real sailcloth at $3000+, I am sticking
> I was looking at the Simplified Offshore Cruiser fore sail on flicker
> and searched around and ran into a MicroNavSail of yours. Is that
> the cut plan you used for your Micro Navigator Chinese Lug? What is
> the reference to Trisail on there? Do you have a writeup about that
> sail somewhere I might have forgotten about. I thought I had mined
> the internet for all of your Micro Navigator information. Obviously
> not since I just found this!
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
with polytarp sails. They seem to only last two years, and I have
just cut my third polytarp set. The cut diagram on Flickr was useful
to myself, put their so I can find it for cutting a fourth set. The
triangle sail is the mizzen sail. The layout it tight to get out of a
20x12 (19'7"x 11'7") 8 ounce white canopy grade from www.tarps.com
$56.62 shipped ground , and the top of the main needs a 10 inch piece
sewn on. I have given up on any hope of finding adhesive to stick to
polytarp, and this time I just used my $49 sewing machine set on
zig-zag.
Bruce,
I was looking at the Simplified Offshore Cruiser fore sail on flicker
and searched around and ran into a MicroNavSail of yours. Is that
the cut plan you used for your Micro Navigator Chinese Lug? What is
the reference to Trisail on there? Do you have a writeup about that
sail somewhere I might have forgotten about. I thought I had mined
the internet for all of your Micro Navigator information. Obviously
not since I just found this!
Sincerely,
Gene T.
I was looking at the Simplified Offshore Cruiser fore sail on flicker
and searched around and ran into a MicroNavSail of yours. Is that
the cut plan you used for your Micro Navigator Chinese Lug? What is
the reference to Trisail on there? Do you have a writeup about that
sail somewhere I might have forgotten about. I thought I had mined
the internet for all of your Micro Navigator information. Obviously
not since I just found this!
Sincerely,
Gene T.