Re: [bolger] Re: My two cents
icewater0000 wrote:
Thank you for the courtesy of your reply.
Best of luck to you in finding a serviceable craft.
Stay right side up.
Respectfully, Mark
> Hi Mark -Mike
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Mirski <anshin@...> wrote:
>
>> I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
>> of interest to you.
>> It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
>> have any sails.
>>
>
> Thanks for the offer, but I think I'm too inexperienced to take on a project boat.
>
>
> - Mike
>
Thank you for the courtesy of your reply.
Best of luck to you in finding a serviceable craft.
Stay right side up.
Respectfully, Mark
Hi Mark -
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Mirski <anshin@...> wrote:
> I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
> of interest to you.
> It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
> have any sails.
Thanks for the offer, but I think I'm too inexperienced to take on a project boat.
- Mike
icewater0000 wrote:
Mike
I must have deleted most of this thread but I may have a project boat of
interest for you.
I live in the Lakes Region of central NH.
I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
of interest to you.
It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
have any sails.
It is reputed to be a very good sailor.
I was beginning to dismantle some parts to replace window gaskets and so on.
The intention was to make it a serviceable, not fancy, boat for use on
Lake Winnipesaukee.
Due to a financial down turn and my wife becoming ill and passing away
last November I have lost interest in going forward with the project.
It is next to my garage on a cradle.
I'm not interested in any dickering over the price but I would let it go
for $500.
I have plywood on my porch for building a Bolger Sweetpea, and I would
use the proceeds to work on the Pea Pod.
If you or anyone else is interested let me know.
I got it years ago and I'm hunting for the bill of sale. I have been
attempting to locate the hull number as well this week. As we still have
snow up here I do not want to completely uncover it yet.
Well that's about it for now.
Respectfully,
Mark Mirskianshin@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Hi Dave --------------------
>
>
> I'm still summing up the replies I've gotten so far, but you asked me specifically:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
> In the Pacific Northwest (of the USA), at least, the waters are rife with old boats moldering away unused and just waiting for a new owner. Heck, I've got one for sale myself!
>
>> Where do you live? Where do you want to cruise?
>>
>
>
> I live in Connecticut, and would probably most frequently be in Long Island Sound (long weekends). Less frequently, anywhere between Nova Scotia and Florida (vacations). If the Master Plan actually works, I could be on board full time and be anywhere that's interesting and affordable (quit my job and work as needed :-) ).
>
>
> - Mike
>
Mike
I must have deleted most of this thread but I may have a project boat of
interest for you.
I live in the Lakes Region of central NH.
I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
of interest to you.
It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
have any sails.
It is reputed to be a very good sailor.
I was beginning to dismantle some parts to replace window gaskets and so on.
The intention was to make it a serviceable, not fancy, boat for use on
Lake Winnipesaukee.
Due to a financial down turn and my wife becoming ill and passing away
last November I have lost interest in going forward with the project.
It is next to my garage on a cradle.
I'm not interested in any dickering over the price but I would let it go
for $500.
I have plywood on my porch for building a Bolger Sweetpea, and I would
use the proceeds to work on the Pea Pod.
If you or anyone else is interested let me know.
I got it years ago and I'm hunting for the bill of sale. I have been
attempting to locate the hull number as well this week. As we still have
snow up here I do not want to completely uncover it yet.
Well that's about it for now.
Respectfully,
Mark Mirskianshin@...
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
icewater0000 wrote:
Mike
I must have deleted most of this thread but I may have a project boat of
interest for you.
I live in the Lakes Region of central NH.
I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
of interest to you.
It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
have any sails.
It is reputed to be a very good sailor.
I was beginning to dismantle some parts to replace window gaskets and so on.
The intention was to make it a serviceable, not fancy, boat for use on
Lake Winnipesaukee.
Due to a financial down turn and my wife becomming ill and passing away
last November I have lost interest in going forward with the project.
It is next to my garage on a cradle.
I'm not interested in any dickering over the price but I would let it go
for $500.
I have plywood on my porch for building a Bolger Sweetpea, and I would
use the proceeds to work on the Pea Pod.
If you or anyone else is interested let me know.
I got it years ago and I'm hunting for the bill of sale. I have been
attempting to locate the hull number as well this week. As we still have
snow up here I do not want to completely uncover it yet.
Well that's about it for now.
Respectfully,
Mark Mirskianshin@...
> Hi Dave --------------------
>
>
> I'm still summing up the replies I've gotten so far, but you asked me specifically:
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
> In the Pacific Northwest (of the USA), at least, the waters are rife with old boats moldering away unused and just waiting for a new owner. Heck, I've got one for sale myself!
>
>> Where do you live? Where do you want to cruise?
>>
>
>
> I live in Connecticut, and would probably most frequently be in Long Island Sound (long weekends). Less frequently, anywhere between Nova Scotia and Florida (vacations). If the Master Plan actually works, I could be on board full time and be anywhere that's interesting and affordable (quit my job and work as needed :-) ).
>
>
> - Mike
>
Mike
I must have deleted most of this thread but I may have a project boat of
interest for you.
I live in the Lakes Region of central NH.
I have a fixed keel, 24' Columbia Contender "project boat" that might be
of interest to you.
It is a 1960's vintage. I have never had it in the water and it does not
have any sails.
It is reputed to be a very good sailor.
I was beginning to dismantle some parts to replace window gaskets and so on.
The intention was to make it a serviceable, not fancy, boat for use on
Lake Winnipesaukee.
Due to a financial down turn and my wife becomming ill and passing away
last November I have lost interest in going forward with the project.
It is next to my garage on a cradle.
I'm not interested in any dickering over the price but I would let it go
for $500.
I have plywood on my porch for building a Bolger Sweetpea, and I would
use the proceeds to work on the Pea Pod.
If you or anyone else is interested let me know.
I got it years ago and I'm hunting for the bill of sale. I have been
attempting to locate the hull number as well this week. As we still have
snow up here I do not want to completely uncover it yet.
Well that's about it for now.
Respectfully,
Mark Mirskianshin@...
Hi Dave -
I'm still summing up the replies I've gotten so far, but you asked me specifically:
I'm still summing up the replies I've gotten so far, but you asked me specifically:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
In the Pacific Northwest (of the USA), at least, the waters are rife with old boats moldering away unused and just waiting for a new owner. Heck, I've got one for sale myself!
> Where do you live? Where do you want to cruise?
I live in Connecticut, and would probably most frequently be in Long Island Sound (long weekends). Less frequently, anywhere between Nova Scotia and Florida (vacations). If the Master Plan actually works, I could be on board full time and be anywhere that's interesting and affordable (quit my job and work as needed :-) ).
- Mike
>I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most realistic path >forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one built, >build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field >option that I've not even considered.You've already gotten some good advice. Start small! Build the dinghy first! Really.
An AS-29 is a huge project which will realistically take a number of years to complete if you do it yourself. It's a worthy project, but the list of abandoned or never completed boatbuilding endeavors is pretty enormous. Best to find out if you have the temperament on a small boat that won't cost you dearly in time and money. Building small boats is also rewarding in that you can see results relatively quickly. It's also best to learn the ins and outs of boatbuilding - and to make your many inevitable mistakes - on something non critical, rather than on your cherished cruising boat. Small boats are best to learn to sail in, too - if you don't mind getting wet!
H.H.Payson has lots of small Bolger designs available to look at here: www.instantboats.com
And, as has been said, you could buy a used cruising boat, of the same size, for likely much, much less money, and vastly less time - time you could spend cruising and sailing, rather than building. In the Pacific Northwest (of the USA), at least, the waters are rife with old boats moldering away unused and just waiting for a new owner. Heck, I've got one for sale myself!
Where do you live? Where do you want to cruise?
If you're wedded to the AS29 (definitely physically check out some other designs first - like the Catalina 27 or 30, or the Newport 30, etc), you might also consider buying one of the ones that have already been built. Not that there's anything wrong with building your own . . . as long as you know what you are getting into. Can you work on building the boat full time? For a year? Do you have a place to build it? Working alone, finishing an AS29 in a year is unrealistic for most people. Not undo-able, by any means, but it's a daunting task. Skilled helpers would be useful, and having one built for you would also work - though it would certainly jack the price up!
Anyway, welcome to the boatbuilding world. It's fun and satisfying and addictive!
Dave
Mike,
Each of the responses you've received so far is sage advice. All should be considered carefully, and more questions asked, if it doesn't make sense yet. I had one small additional thought. If you are committed to building a boat yourself, and you do build a dinghy first... I'd suggest building one that uses the same building methods as the bigger boat-to-be. That way you'll be building a library of transferable skills for the bigger project.
Read a lot. Ask a lot of questions.
G'luck,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
"Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life" -- Immanuel Kant
*********************
Each of the responses you've received so far is sage advice. All should be considered carefully, and more questions asked, if it doesn't make sense yet. I had one small additional thought. If you are committed to building a boat yourself, and you do build a dinghy first... I'd suggest building one that uses the same building methods as the bigger boat-to-be. That way you'll be building a library of transferable skills for the bigger project.
Read a lot. Ask a lot of questions.
G'luck,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
"Science is organized knowledge. Wisdom is organized life" -- Immanuel Kant
*********************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "icewater0000" <icewater0000@...> wrote:
>
> Hello -
>
>
> I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages with a lot of interest.
>
> I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the water by the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn. Assuming all goes well, I'd like to be living aboard not too long after.
>
> My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing and living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
>
> My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing experience, so all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster, both before and after leaving shore. I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most realistic path forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one built, build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field option that I've not even considered.
>
>
> Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down the line I can pass it on to those who come after.
>
>
> - Mike
>
It is important to note that building a boat really is not the way to
get into sailing inexpensively. You can generally buy a used boat
less expensively than you can build an equivalent boat and you will
be on the water tomorrow learning to sail (as opposed to being in the
woodshop learning how to bend and plane wood for the next two years).
However, as has been pointed out, building is a joy in itself.
Patrick
get into sailing inexpensively. You can generally buy a used boat
less expensively than you can build an equivalent boat and you will
be on the water tomorrow learning to sail (as opposed to being in the
woodshop learning how to bend and plane wood for the next two years).
However, as has been pointed out, building is a joy in itself.
Patrick
On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:17 PM, icewater0000 wrote:
> Hello -
>
>
> I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages
> with a lot of interest.
>
> I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the
> water by the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn.
> Assuming all goes well, I'd like to be living aboard not too long
> after.
>
> My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing
> and living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
>
> My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing
> experience, so all the ingredients are perfectly in place for
> disaster, both before and after leaving shore. I'm hoping the
> group will guide me toward the most realistic path forward -
> whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one built, build one
> myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field option
> that I've not even considered.
>
>
> Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down
> the line I can pass it on to those who come after.
>
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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Ed Heins wrote:
the best in you life. Some find they like building better than sailing
and they spend the rest of their lives building and watching other
people sailing away in their boats. And that's not a bad thing!
Doug
>And if you find you like boat building that seven years will be some of
> Woodworking skills are relative. We have some on his list who
> consistently
> turn out museum pieces, however many more like myself who
> fall significantly short of that level of skill and ability.
> For someone new to the group, I would recommend #1 learn to sail. Take a
> basic sailing lesson at a local marina or hook up with someone who
> needs a
> crew. Hang out around the docks if there's a racing fleet and someone
> will
> be happy to let you be ballast. If you find you like sailing then look
> into
> building a dinghy. The reasoning is, if you buy a plastic fantastic, or
> build something bigger on your own, you're still going to need a
> dinghy and
> you might find taht you use it more than you would expect. That will help
> you find out if you can read plans, cut a straight line and aren't
> deathly
> allergic to epoxy. Even if you screw up, all you've got invested is a
> couple pieces of cheap plywood and some glue. All things being
> favorable and
> you want to build that liveaboard, you'll have a lot more confidence.
> Just
> remember that while boat length increases linearly, the cost effort
> and time
> increase logrythmically. I built an eight foot dinghy in about 80 man
> hours, then a 20 ft Chebacco in seven years. Life has a way of
> intruding on
> boatbuilding time.
>
> Welcome aboard and keep us informed about how you progress.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "icewater0000" <icewater0000@...
> <mailto:icewater0000%40yahoo.com>>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 PM
> Subject: [bolger] New to the group
>
> > Hello -
> >
> >
> > I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages with
> a lot
> > of interest.
> >
> > I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the
> water by
> > the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn. Assuming all goes
> well,
> > I'd like to be living aboard not too long after.
> >
> > My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing and
> > living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
> >
> > My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing
> experience, so
> > all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster, both before
> and
> > after leaving shore. I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most
> > realistic path forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat,
> have one
> > built, build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some
> left-field
> > option that I've not even considered.
> >
> >
> > Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down the
> line
> > I can pass it on to those who come after.
> >
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
> > horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax:
> > (978) 282-1349
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the best in you life. Some find they like building better than sailing
and they spend the rest of their lives building and watching other
people sailing away in their boats. And that's not a bad thing!
Doug
Woodworking skills are relative. We have some on his list who consistently
turn out museum pieces, however many more like myself who
fall significantly short of that level of skill and ability.
For someone new to the group, I would recommend #1 learn to sail. Take a
basic sailing lesson at a local marina or hook up with someone who needs a
crew. Hang out around the docks if there's a racing fleet and someone will
be happy to let you be ballast. If you find you like sailing then look into
building a dinghy. The reasoning is, if you buy a plastic fantastic, or
build something bigger on your own, you're still going to need a dinghy and
you might find taht you use it more than you would expect. That will help
you find out if you can read plans, cut a straight line and aren't deathly
allergic to epoxy. Even if you screw up, all you've got invested is a
couple pieces of cheap plywood and some glue. All things being favorable and
you want to build that liveaboard, you'll have a lot more confidence. Just
remember that while boat length increases linearly, the cost effort and time
increase logrythmically. I built an eight foot dinghy in about 80 man
hours, then a 20 ft Chebacco in seven years. Life has a way of intruding on
boatbuilding time.
Welcome aboard and keep us informed about how you progress.
turn out museum pieces, however many more like myself who
fall significantly short of that level of skill and ability.
For someone new to the group, I would recommend #1 learn to sail. Take a
basic sailing lesson at a local marina or hook up with someone who needs a
crew. Hang out around the docks if there's a racing fleet and someone will
be happy to let you be ballast. If you find you like sailing then look into
building a dinghy. The reasoning is, if you buy a plastic fantastic, or
build something bigger on your own, you're still going to need a dinghy and
you might find taht you use it more than you would expect. That will help
you find out if you can read plans, cut a straight line and aren't deathly
allergic to epoxy. Even if you screw up, all you've got invested is a
couple pieces of cheap plywood and some glue. All things being favorable and
you want to build that liveaboard, you'll have a lot more confidence. Just
remember that while boat length increases linearly, the cost effort and time
increase logrythmically. I built an eight foot dinghy in about 80 man
hours, then a 20 ft Chebacco in seven years. Life has a way of intruding on
boatbuilding time.
Welcome aboard and keep us informed about how you progress.
----- Original Message -----
From: "icewater0000" <icewater0000@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: [bolger] New to the group
> Hello -
>
>
> I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages with a lot
> of interest.
>
> I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the water by
> the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn. Assuming all goes well,
> I'd like to be living aboard not too long after.
>
> My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing and
> living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
>
> My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing experience, so
> all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster, both before and
> after leaving shore. I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most
> realistic path forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one
> built, build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field
> option that I've not even considered.
>
>
> Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down the line
> I can pass it on to those who come after.
>
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
> horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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>
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> AS29 My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing experience, soFor sure, if you want to build an AS-29, the quickest way is to learn
> all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster,
how by building several smaller boats first. (Also, build a AS29
scale model first to work out the ideas in your head.) That time
spent will almost certainly save you time and cost in the long run by
saving you expensive mistakes.
You might also want to consider the Jessie Cooper which could be built
about twice as fast as an AS29, and which has ample live-aboard
capacity and is a good sailer. Indeed, I have had the live-a-board
dreams, and have been very fond of the AS29 design. I built a Micro
Navigator, which is about 1/5 the boat of an AS29. It turns out that
the Micro Navigator meets my needs, and I really appreciate the
"smaller is better" for many reasons, not the least is the cheaper
marina berth fee. My urge to build an AS29 is less now that I find
that I am quite happy with a smaller boat.
Hello -
I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages with a lot of interest.
I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the water by the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn. Assuming all goes well, I'd like to be living aboard not too long after.
My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing and living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing experience, so all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster, both before and after leaving shore. I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most realistic path forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one built, build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field option that I've not even considered.
Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down the line I can pass it on to those who come after.
- Mike
I've just joined the group, and have been reading past messages with a lot of interest.
I'm new to sailing, but my current plan is to have a boat in the water by the summer of 2010, and use the interim to learn. Assuming all goes well, I'd like to be living aboard not too long after.
My investigations to date indicate the AS-29 would be fine sailing and living for a one-man, one-cat crew with simple needs.
My wood-working experience is right on par with my sailing experience, so all the ingredients are perfectly in place for disaster, both before and after leaving shore. I'm hoping the group will guide me toward the most realistic path forward - whether that is to buy an existing boat, have one built, build one myself with some skilled hired hands, or some left-field option that I've not even considered.
Thanks to you all for sharing your experiences here! Maybe down the line I can pass it on to those who come after.
- Mike