Re: [bolger] Re: Oldshoe rudder - name
Paint the house green and call it Greenhead and maybe they'll leave you
alone. Clyde
Mike Stockstill wrote:
alone. Clyde
Mike Stockstill wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I thought about
>
> Far Q
>
> for obvious reasons..and it would work visually. But it might be
> misheard on the VHF. So my choice for the name is:
>
> Q
>
> and a fancy looking one at that....
>
> Mike
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>
> ps - I am not able to build a boat UNTIL it has a name, interestingly
> enough.
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@g...> wrote:
> > Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
> > oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish
> wooden
> > shoe. We have a small e-mail group of oldshoe builders - all of
> whom
> > have been very helpful - but they have not really helped me at all
> > with the name. All name suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> If
> > I use your name I will treat the winner to a lavish, all expense
> paid
> > cruise and crabbing expedition on the Delaware River and Bay
> [winner
> > responsible for travel to and from Philadelphia - beer,
> cheesesteaks,
> > pretzels, cigars, crab lines, bait and wet dog included at no
> > expense! Winner assumes liability should he or she be devoured or
> > carried off by our Bay's friendly greenhead flies.].
> >
> > Andy Farquhar
>
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Andy,
How about "Brogan"? (Gaelic --- a heavy ankle-high work shoe).
Vince Chew
How about "Brogan"? (Gaelic --- a heavy ankle-high work shoe).
Vince Chew
I am having a similar debate in my head with Micro's rudder. I know
that it is probably fine as designed, but I don't have a lot of
confidence using wood on a part that will be stressed through
groundings or impacts. Here are the options as I see them.
1. Oak rudder post. Strong, but glues less happily than fir.
2. Make up a multiple fir laminate to the required dimension, then
turn on the lathe. Possibly stronger than a single piece, but not
necessarily so.
3. Use black plumbing pipe with the braces for the rudder welded on
so that I can screw and glue the rudder to it. This would need to be
coated liberally with epoxy due to its tendency to rust at the mere
mention of salt water. The highway department treats its structural
steel supports with epoxy, hmm on second thought this may be a bad
idea if you have driven in our state lately.
4. Use a solid fir post as described by Phil Bolger. It probably is
fine as is.
5.. Take a few wraps of kevlar around the fir post in a cross hatched
pattern and epoxy in place (I kind of like this one, simple and
easy).
6. Use stainless steel pipe. Unfortunately, this is expensive and
welding it requires a pro.
7. sub-contract the whole job out. Ouch! that flies in the face of
everything these boats are about.
As for the name of your boat. Have a long quiet walk and find a
place
to sit and envision yourself sailing, then the name of the boat will
be given to you by divine forces. Boats choose their own names. My
boats often have two names, there given name by their owner, and the
name they acquire on their own.
a. Quandy - (I think it was Indian for "four Knots"). became known
to my family as "Sea Slug"
b. Wild Rose - became known as leeway, due to its inability to sail
upwind in any kind of seaway.
c. Spare time - became known as unfinished as it always was under
repair.
You get the idea.
There, I didn't help at all, did I.
David Jost "with an incredible sunburn"
that it is probably fine as designed, but I don't have a lot of
confidence using wood on a part that will be stressed through
groundings or impacts. Here are the options as I see them.
1. Oak rudder post. Strong, but glues less happily than fir.
2. Make up a multiple fir laminate to the required dimension, then
turn on the lathe. Possibly stronger than a single piece, but not
necessarily so.
3. Use black plumbing pipe with the braces for the rudder welded on
so that I can screw and glue the rudder to it. This would need to be
coated liberally with epoxy due to its tendency to rust at the mere
mention of salt water. The highway department treats its structural
steel supports with epoxy, hmm on second thought this may be a bad
idea if you have driven in our state lately.
4. Use a solid fir post as described by Phil Bolger. It probably is
fine as is.
5.. Take a few wraps of kevlar around the fir post in a cross hatched
pattern and epoxy in place (I kind of like this one, simple and
easy).
6. Use stainless steel pipe. Unfortunately, this is expensive and
welding it requires a pro.
7. sub-contract the whole job out. Ouch! that flies in the face of
everything these boats are about.
As for the name of your boat. Have a long quiet walk and find a
place
to sit and envision yourself sailing, then the name of the boat will
be given to you by divine forces. Boats choose their own names. My
boats often have two names, there given name by their owner, and the
name they acquire on their own.
a. Quandy - (I think it was Indian for "four Knots"). became known
to my family as "Sea Slug"
b. Wild Rose - became known as leeway, due to its inability to sail
upwind in any kind of seaway.
c. Spare time - became known as unfinished as it always was under
repair.
You get the idea.
There, I didn't help at all, did I.
David Jost "with an incredible sunburn"
1/ CLOGGE
2/ Le Clubbe Foote
2/ Le Clubbe Foote
Once you have the supplies and the practice, adding glass to
something
simple is very easy. Probably easier than going to the store, looking
around, picking something out, standing at the register, and going
home. It might be possible to put two or three layers on at once by
wrapping around, depending on the shape. I'm afraid I don't know the
details of the fittings on the Oldshoe rudder stock, though.
I sanded and filled and put three strips of glass on my new leeboard
in 30 or 40 minutes last night. (It's southern yellow pine and I was
afraid it would warp.)
something
simple is very easy. Probably easier than going to the store, looking
around, picking something out, standing at the register, and going
home. It might be possible to put two or three layers on at once by
wrapping around, depending on the shape. I'm afraid I don't know the
details of the fittings on the Oldshoe rudder stock, though.
I sanded and filled and put three strips of glass on my new leeboard
in 30 or 40 minutes last night. (It's southern yellow pine and I was
afraid it would warp.)
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, GHC <ghartc@p...> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be infinitely easier and stronger to use a piece of
pipe, if
> only black plumbing pipe?
>
> Gregg Carlson
>
> At 04:37 PM 7/14/00 -0000, you wrote:
> >My intuition is that you are on the right track but ought to use a
> >little more glass, like 2 or 3 more layers. snip
How about "Hi-Top"
Glen
Glen
Sneaker
Slipper
Slipper
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@g...> wrote:
>
> Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
> oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish
wooden
> shoe. . . All name suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Old shoes??? didn't they wear spats?
How about Spaatz?
Cheers/Step
How about Spaatz?
Cheers/Step
Andy,
How about BOOTSTRAP ? An ordinary object with
connotations of strength and self-determination.
Sounds like it looks really nice -- can't wait to see
a photo.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
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How about BOOTSTRAP ? An ordinary object with
connotations of strength and self-determination.
Sounds like it looks really nice -- can't wait to see
a photo.
Phil Lea
Russellville, Arkansas
>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:11 -0000__________________________________________________
>From: "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@...>
>Subject: Oldshoe rudder - name
>Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is
>approaching. My
>oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a
>squarish wooden
>shoe. Andy Farquhar
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--- Inbolger@egroups.com, GHC <ghartc@p...> wrote:
brackish and saltwater, I was concerned about corrosion, particularly
where the pipe would be fastened to the rudder. Also, I had the
dowel, the epoxy and the fabric at home.
Andy Farquhar
> Wouldn't it be infinitely easier and stronger to use a piece ofpipe, if
> only black plumbing pipe?I considered black pipe but, as the boat will spend its life in
>
brackish and saltwater, I was concerned about corrosion, particularly
where the pipe would be fastened to the rudder. Also, I had the
dowel, the epoxy and the fabric at home.
Andy Farquhar
My intuition is that you are on the right track but ought to use a
little more glass, like 2 or 3 more layers. I'm just guessing
how much you'd need to significantly exceed the strength of
the wood. However, this is not based on any analysis. If I had a
decent figure for laid up glass and epoxy, maybe I could give you a
sllightly more formal analysis. Do you know what the failure mode is?
If it's in torsion, you want to lay the glass at 45 degrees, if
primarily simple bending, then you want 90 degrees. For simple
bending
it might make sense to use unidirectional tape laid along the post.
Keep in mind that there will be more stress near the hull (i.e. lower
gudgeon or bearing) than out at the end, unless the rudder is very
rigid and is attached mostly at the end. If the stress is mostly
bending, the max. stress will still be near the hull. If stress is
mostly torsion, stress will be fairly evenly distributed from attach
point of rudder to tiller.
For a name, you could use mu^2 (actually the greek letter squared,
but
I can't do that with a keyboard). Or you could just write mu*mu!
THis second idea particularly good if you tie a little red bow on the
top of the mast.
little more glass, like 2 or 3 more layers. I'm just guessing
how much you'd need to significantly exceed the strength of
the wood. However, this is not based on any analysis. If I had a
decent figure for laid up glass and epoxy, maybe I could give you a
sllightly more formal analysis. Do you know what the failure mode is?
If it's in torsion, you want to lay the glass at 45 degrees, if
primarily simple bending, then you want 90 degrees. For simple
bending
it might make sense to use unidirectional tape laid along the post.
Keep in mind that there will be more stress near the hull (i.e. lower
gudgeon or bearing) than out at the end, unless the rudder is very
rigid and is attached mostly at the end. If the stress is mostly
bending, the max. stress will still be near the hull. If stress is
mostly torsion, stress will be fairly evenly distributed from attach
point of rudder to tiller.
For a name, you could use mu^2 (actually the greek letter squared,
but
I can't do that with a keyboard). Or you could just write mu*mu!
THis second idea particularly good if you tie a little red bow on the
top of the mast.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@g...> wrote:
> I am finishing up an olshoe. I read somewhere that the 1 1/2 "
> hardwwod dowel that is called for in the plans for the rudder post
is
> not strong enough and a metal pipe should be used in its place. I
> have decided to use the 1 1/2" diameter hardwood dowel but have
> laminated two layers of 6 oz. fibreglass cloth with epoxy to the
> outside. Does anyone have any thoughts about whether this will be
> strong enough?
>
> Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
> snip
> Andy Farquhar
Hi -
I thought about
Far Q
for obvious reasons..and it would work visually. But it might be
misheard on the VHF. So my choice for the name is:
Q
and a fancy looking one at that....
Mike
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats
ps - I am not able to build a boat UNTIL it has a name, interestingly
enough.
I thought about
Far Q
for obvious reasons..and it would work visually. But it might be
misheard on the VHF. So my choice for the name is:
Q
and a fancy looking one at that....
Mike
http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats
ps - I am not able to build a boat UNTIL it has a name, interestingly
enough.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@g...> wrote:
> Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
> oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish
wooden
> shoe. We have a small e-mail group of oldshoe builders - all of
whom
> have been very helpful - but they have not really helped me at all
> with the name. All name suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
If
> I use your name I will treat the winner to a lavish, all expense
paid
> cruise and crabbing expedition on the Delaware River and Bay
[winner
> responsible for travel to and from Philadelphia - beer,
cheesesteaks,
> pretzels, cigars, crab lines, bait and wet dog included at no
> expense! Winner assumes liability should he or she be devoured or
> carried off by our Bay's friendly greenhead flies.].
>
> Andy Farquhar
> Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. Mywooden
> oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish
> shoe.How about (from best to worst):
1. Loafer
2. Das Boot
3. Sabot
4. Shoebox (someone called my Cynthia J. "The Blue Shoebox.")
5. Hush Puppy
6. Deck Shoe
7. Show Boot
8. Really Big Shoe (apologies to Ed Sulivan.)
9. I'll Shoe Yawl
10. Instep
PHV
I am finishing up an olshoe. I read somewhere that the 1 1/2 "
hardwwod dowel that is called for in the plans for the rudder post is
not strong enough and a metal pipe should be used in its place. I
have decided to use the 1 1/2" diameter hardwood dowel but have
laminated two layers of 6 oz. fibreglass cloth with epoxy to the
outside. Does anyone have any thoughts about whether this will be
strong enough?
Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish wooden
shoe. We have a small e-mail group of oldshoe builders - all of whom
have been very helpful - but they have not really helped me at all
with the name. All name suggestions will be greatly appreciated. If
I use your name I will treat the winner to a lavish, all expense paid
cruise and crabbing expedition on the Delaware River and Bay [winner
responsible for travel to and from Philadelphia - beer, cheesesteaks,
pretzels, cigars, crab lines, bait and wet dog included at no
expense! Winner assumes liability should he or she be devoured or
carried off by our Bay's friendly greenhead flies.].
Andy Farquhar
hardwwod dowel that is called for in the plans for the rudder post is
not strong enough and a metal pipe should be used in its place. I
have decided to use the 1 1/2" diameter hardwood dowel but have
laminated two layers of 6 oz. fibreglass cloth with epoxy to the
outside. Does anyone have any thoughts about whether this will be
strong enough?
Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
oldshoe has a small cuddy and really does look like a squarish wooden
shoe. We have a small e-mail group of oldshoe builders - all of whom
have been very helpful - but they have not really helped me at all
with the name. All name suggestions will be greatly appreciated. If
I use your name I will treat the winner to a lavish, all expense paid
cruise and crabbing expedition on the Delaware River and Bay [winner
responsible for travel to and from Philadelphia - beer, cheesesteaks,
pretzels, cigars, crab lines, bait and wet dog included at no
expense! Winner assumes liability should he or she be devoured or
carried off by our Bay's friendly greenhead flies.].
Andy Farquhar
Wouldn't it be infinitely easier and stronger to use a piece of pipe, if
only black plumbing pipe?
Gregg Carlson
At 04:37 PM 7/14/00 -0000, you wrote:
only black plumbing pipe?
Gregg Carlson
At 04:37 PM 7/14/00 -0000, you wrote:
>My intuition is that you are on the right track but ought to use a
>little more glass, like 2 or 3 more layers. I'm just guessing
>how much you'd need to significantly exceed the strength of
>the wood. However, this is not based on any analysis. If I had a
>decent figure for laid up glass and epoxy, maybe I could give you a
>sllightly more formal analysis. Do you know what the failure mode is?
>If it's in torsion, you want to lay the glass at 45 degrees, if
>primarily simple bending, then you want 90 degrees. For simple
>bending
>it might make sense to use unidirectional tape laid along the post.
>Keep in mind that there will be more stress near the hull (i.e. lower
>gudgeon or bearing) than out at the end, unless the rudder is very
>rigid and is attached mostly at the end. If the stress is mostly
>bending, the max. stress will still be near the hull. If stress is
>mostly torsion, stress will be fairly evenly distributed from attach
>point of rudder to tiller.
>
>For a name, you could use mu^2 (actually the greek letter squared,
>but
>I can't do that with a keyboard). Or you could just write mu*mu!
>THis second idea particularly good if you tie a little red bow on the
>top of the mast.
>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "andy farquhar" <afarquhar@g...> wrote:
>> I am finishing up an olshoe. I read somewhere that the 1 1/2 "
>> hardwwod dowel that is called for in the plans for the rudder post
>is
>> not strong enough and a metal pipe should be used in its place. I
>> have decided to use the 1 1/2" diameter hardwood dowel but have
>> laminated two layers of 6 oz. fibreglass cloth with epoxy to the
>> outside. Does anyone have any thoughts about whether this will be
>> strong enough?
>>
>> Also, I do not have a name and the launch date is approaching. My
>> snip
>> Andy Farquhar
>
>
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