Re: [bolger] 40 Foot Diesel Launch isometrics
This is a cool one. I have two thoughts about this :
1) This is close to what you would by scaling up a box keel Sneakeasy.
An exercise that has ling piqued my curiosity.
2) You could do diesel-electric. This would probably be costly, but it
would give you low VCG and horizontal shaft axis.
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
1) This is close to what you would by scaling up a box keel Sneakeasy.
An exercise that has ling piqued my curiosity.
2) You could do diesel-electric. This would probably be costly, but it
would give you low VCG and horizontal shaft axis.
V/R
Chris
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Ed Drapela <edrapela@...> wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>> How about the 40" diesel launch?
>>
>
> I had not much thought of this boat, but looking closely it is really
> great. Made of meranti plywood, with a thick sole. Powered by one of
> those low RPM diesel luggers, (I would use a Listeroid), and with a
> very long and streamline box keel, it would chug along with
> spectacular efficiency. Decked out with tons of sprawling space so
> it could accommodate a very large party of friends.
>
>
>
>Fred Schumacher
> This 40 footer looks like an excellent starting point for designing a
> shipping container boat. Length is OK but beam would have to go down to 7'4"
> to get inside the container and height overall would need to be under 7'4"
> for a standard container or 8'4" for a hi-cube. The cheapest way to cross
> oceans is in a container. This is a project that should get some serious
> thought.
>
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>
>
Mercury tried something like that with their outboards, once upon a time. It was a short-lived experiment. The fact that it got tried at all is some measure of Kiekhaefer's iron fist as a manager.
Bill in MN
Bill in MN
--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
From: Harry James <welshman@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: 40 Foot Diesel Launch isometrics
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 4:03 PM
There is an old wooden boat in town (Sultana) that used to tow the 32
footers out in Bristol Bay. Has the original Atlas which is direct drive
and turns at 325 RPM. Reverse is accomplished by stopping at Top Dead
Center and starting in reverse. Docking must indeed be an adventure and
I would not want to be at her "target" dock with say a modern Hunter or
such as she came in.
http://www.oldtacomamarine.com/ atlas/sultana. html
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>> As always, very evocative work. I've often thought about those Listeroids
>> for a boat (including this boat) for the same reasons, but have always
>> wondered how you go about transmitting power to the prop with these
>> single-speed engines. Do you just install an F-N-R gear box, slam it into
>> gear and take off at full speed? Must make coming alongside a dock
>> interesting.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>> www.kolbsadventures .com/boatbuildin g_index.htm
>>
>
>
> Good question, I don't know the answer. I do know that these old
> Lister low RPM diesels have a long and stellar reputation for powering
> boats, so there must be some solution. In my incomplete imagination,
> I am thinking along the lines of using a belt drive, like they use
> with the Listeroid generators. I imagine you could rig up a idler
> pully on a lever to flip between forward and reverse, but some
> inventing would be needed.
>
> Looking on Google, I see this website that is selling a Lister with a
> "marine gearbox" complete with photo (half way down page).
>
>http://www.stickandrudder.com. au/for-sale. htm
>
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There is an old wooden boat in town (Sultana) that used to tow the 32
footers out in Bristol Bay. Has the original Atlas which is direct drive
and turns at 325 RPM. Reverse is accomplished by stopping at Top Dead
Center and starting in reverse. Docking must indeed be an adventure and
I would not want to be at her "target" dock with say a modern Hunter or
such as she came in.
http://www.oldtacomamarine.com/atlas/sultana.html
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
footers out in Bristol Bay. Has the original Atlas which is direct drive
and turns at 325 RPM. Reverse is accomplished by stopping at Top Dead
Center and starting in reverse. Docking must indeed be an adventure and
I would not want to be at her "target" dock with say a modern Hunter or
such as she came in.
http://www.oldtacomamarine.com/atlas/sultana.html
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
>> As always, very evocative work. I've often thought about those Listeroids
>> for a boat (including this boat) for the same reasons, but have always
>> wondered how you go about transmitting power to the prop with these
>> single-speed engines. Do you just install an F-N-R gear box, slam it into
>> gear and take off at full speed? Must make coming alongside a dock
>> interesting.
>>
>> Jon Kolb
>> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
>>
>
>
> Good question, I don't know the answer. I do know that these old
> Lister low RPM diesels have a long and stellar reputation for powering
> boats, so there must be some solution. In my incomplete imagination,
> I am thinking along the lines of using a belt drive, like they use
> with the Listeroid generators. I imagine you could rig up a idler
> pully on a lever to flip between forward and reverse, but some
> inventing would be needed.
>
> Looking on Google, I see this website that is selling a Lister with a
> "marine gearbox" complete with photo (half way down page).
>
>http://www.stickandrudder.com.au/for-sale.htm
>
>
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> As always, very evocative work. I've often thought about those ListeroidsGood question, I don't know the answer. I do know that these old
> for a boat (including this boat) for the same reasons, but have always
> wondered how you go about transmitting power to the prop with these
> single-speed engines. Do you just install an F-N-R gear box, slam it into
> gear and take off at full speed? Must make coming alongside a dock
> interesting.
>
> Jon Kolb
> www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Lister low RPM diesels have a long and stellar reputation for powering
boats, so there must be some solution. In my incomplete imagination,
I am thinking along the lines of using a belt drive, like they use
with the Listeroid generators. I imagine you could rig up a idler
pully on a lever to flip between forward and reverse, but some
inventing would be needed.
Looking on Google, I see this website that is selling a Lister with a
"marine gearbox" complete with photo (half way down page).
http://www.stickandrudder.com.au/for-sale.htm
Hi Bruce
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
> I had not much thought of this boat, but looking closely it is reallyAs always, very evocative work. I've often thought about those Listeroids for a boat (including this boat) for the same reasons, but have always wondered how you go about transmitting power to the prop with these single-speed engines. Do you just install an F-N-R gear box, slam it into gear and take off at full speed? Must make coming alongside a dock interesting.
> great. Made of meranti plywood, with a thick sole. Powered by one of
> those low RPM diesel luggers, (I would use a Listeroid), and with a
> very long and streamline box keel, it would chug along with
> spectacular efficiency. Decked out with tons of sprawling space so
> it could accommodate a very large party of friends.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/3531705350/
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
displacement on a 3 ft beam. That long narrow box keel could be
insulated to be a long narrow ice chest. Outfitted with a low RPM
Lister-clone diesel engine the fuel efficiency would be spectacular.
(You could run on recycled french fry oil.)
>You have convinced me. This plywood 40 footer, has most of her
>
> The Advanced fisherman uses way to much fuel for a hand trolling
> operation. Distances are huge and efficiency is everything. I would be
> very surprised if the 40' launch couldn't get 7.5-8 kts at 3/4 gal an
> hour. Think the 40' could carry a ton of Ice?. 40' gives you a lot of
> displacement even with only 8' beam. I have also considered Buehler's
> Pilgrim 44 as a hand troller.
>
> HJ
displacement on a 3 ft beam. That long narrow box keel could be
insulated to be a long narrow ice chest. Outfitted with a low RPM
Lister-clone diesel engine the fuel efficiency would be spectacular.
(You could run on recycled french fry oil.)
> Yet, the economy of the low RPM inboard diesel luggers ($2K) versusHmmmm, yeah. Could buy much diesel for 5k$ (need $$ to make the Listeroid work)
> the Honda four strokes OB's ($8k?) is appealing.
One could probably buy a more powerful tractor and scavenge it for the engine for what the Lister costs.
Don
Found myself thinking the ultra-simple Buehler design fills the same mission as I read HJ's post about hand trollers. And although it would not be has handsome as the Bolger design, the Buehler Pilgrim 44 would come together faster and, I would guess, cheaper.
I think the subject design may have been designed around an air cooled Deutz diesel. I'm guessing that is the reason for the large diameter stack, conveying cooling air and exhaust gasses from the engine up and away.
Either design might benefit from cladding with foam and glass as PB&F are suggesting for the AS-xx series as passagemakers. The cladding both for comfort and safety.
I see either as a fine and inexpensive live-aboard. I'd thought only of the outboard version of the Pilgrim as a live-aboard, because of the space saving, and the ability to isolate the engine from the living space. The 40'DL's box keel would be a great place for fuel, batteries, and wastewater tanks.
Don
I think the subject design may have been designed around an air cooled Deutz diesel. I'm guessing that is the reason for the large diameter stack, conveying cooling air and exhaust gasses from the engine up and away.
Either design might benefit from cladding with foam and glass as PB&F are suggesting for the AS-xx series as passagemakers. The cladding both for comfort and safety.
I see either as a fine and inexpensive live-aboard. I'd thought only of the outboard version of the Pilgrim as a live-aboard, because of the space saving, and the ability to isolate the engine from the living space. The 40'DL's box keel would be a great place for fuel, batteries, and wastewater tanks.
Don
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>I have also considered Buehler's
> Pilgrim 44 as a hand troller.
>
> HJ
>
The Advanced fisherman uses way to much fuel for a hand trolling
operation. Distances are huge and efficiency is everything. I would be
very surprised if the 40' launch couldn't get 7.5-8 kts at 3/4 gal an
hour. Think the 40' could carry a ton of Ice?. 40' gives you a lot of
displacement even with only 8' beam. I have also considered Buehler's
Pilgrim 44 as a hand troller.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
operation. Distances are huge and efficiency is everything. I would be
very surprised if the 40' launch couldn't get 7.5-8 kts at 3/4 gal an
hour. Think the 40' could carry a ton of Ice?. 40' gives you a lot of
displacement even with only 8' beam. I have also considered Buehler's
Pilgrim 44 as a hand troller.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> First time I have seen this one, what are the dimensions. Seems to me it
>> could be modified to be a hand troller for AK here if you keep the
>> weight aloft down.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>
> 39'4" x 8 ft
>
> It probably could be a hand troller, though for the same effort you
> could have one of the new Advanced Fisherman, and have more
> displacement capacity to carry ice.
>
> Yet, the economy of the low RPM inboard diesel luggers ($2K) versus
> the Honda four strokes OB's ($8k?) is appealing.
>
>
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
It probably could be a hand troller, though for the same effort you
could have one of the new Advanced Fisherman, and have more
displacement capacity to carry ice.
Yet, the economy of the low RPM inboard diesel luggers ($2K) versus
the Honda four strokes OB's ($8k?) is appealing.
>39'4" x 8 ft
>
> First time I have seen this one, what are the dimensions. Seems to me it
> could be modified to be a hand troller for AK here if you keep the
> weight aloft down.
>
> HJ
It probably could be a hand troller, though for the same effort you
could have one of the new Advanced Fisherman, and have more
displacement capacity to carry ice.
Yet, the economy of the low RPM inboard diesel luggers ($2K) versus
the Honda four strokes OB's ($8k?) is appealing.
First time I have seen this one, what are the dimensions. Seems to me it
could be modified to be a hand troller for AK here if you keep the
weight aloft down.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
could be modified to be a hand troller for AK here if you keep the
weight aloft down.
HJ
Bruce Hallman wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Ed Drapela <edrapela@...> wrote:
>
>> How about the 40" diesel launch?
>>
>
> I had not much thought of this boat, but looking closely it is really
> great. Made of meranti plywood, with a thick sole. Powered by one of
> those low RPM diesel luggers, (I would use a Listeroid), and with a
> very long and streamline box keel, it would chug along with
> spectacular efficiency. Decked out with tons of sprawling space so
> it could accommodate a very large party of friends.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/3531705350/
>
>
>
>
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Ed Drapela <edrapela@...> wrote:
great. Made of meranti plywood, with a thick sole. Powered by one of
those low RPM diesel luggers, (I would use a Listeroid), and with a
very long and streamline box keel, it would chug along with
spectacular efficiency. Decked out with tons of sprawling space so
it could accommodate a very large party of friends.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/3531705350/
>I had not much thought of this boat, but looking closely it is really
>
> How about the 40" diesel launch?
great. Made of meranti plywood, with a thick sole. Powered by one of
those low RPM diesel luggers, (I would use a Listeroid), and with a
very long and streamline box keel, it would chug along with
spectacular efficiency. Decked out with tons of sprawling space so
it could accommodate a very large party of friends.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/3531705350/