Re: ExistenceSeriouslyConfirmed
Yes, leaning that way Gregg.
Holding me up are potential issues to do with physical features both of the preferred construction site in the backyard at home and the boat under construction, uncertainties as to the specs and bill of materials involved, fitout details, and lack of a building key have me considering risk to reward rather closely. Faced now with concrete propositions I'm currently wondering if it may not be more wise to take on the Anhinga project as a lower risk warm-up before the big event, or to just do it. They're not unpleasant considerations, yet 8300lbs of unknown boat even done economically is still some considerable weight to carry.
Holding me up are potential issues to do with physical features both of the preferred construction site in the backyard at home and the boat under construction, uncertainties as to the specs and bill of materials involved, fitout details, and lack of a building key have me considering risk to reward rather closely. Faced now with concrete propositions I'm currently wondering if it may not be more wise to take on the Anhinga project as a lower risk warm-up before the big event, or to just do it. They're not unpleasant considerations, yet 8300lbs of unknown boat even done economically is still some considerable weight to carry.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, gc4248@... wrote:
> According to the Design List in the Database, it's #429. The little numbers on the drawing would indicate that it has a building key.
> Are you thinking of building one Graeme?
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@> wrote:
> > So then, what's the design number? Are the plans fully detailed? How many sheets? Is there a comprehensive suggested building key? What price?
For whatever reason I was under the assumption that
this topic had been covered at some depth.
Here's the reality upon a modest going-through of respective sources:
Here's the reality upon a modest going-through of respective sources:
- Yes the plans for #429 'Economy Seagoing Cruiser'
are available for US $300.- to build one boat.
- No there is no Building Key.
- At least one was built according to the photo-file, but oddly without name or fate of craft. The images show her at rest on anchor with masts but no sails, but a cabin-trunk added amidships.
So we're only some wiser...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
- No there is no Building Key.
- At least one was built according to the photo-file, but oddly without name or fate of craft. The images show her at rest on anchor with masts but no sails, but a cabin-trunk added amidships.
So we're only some wiser...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From:gc4248@...Sent:Monday, October 22, 2012 4:56 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: ExistenceSeriouslyConfirmed
According to the Design List in the Database, it's #429. The little numbers on the drawing would indicate that it has a building key.
Are you thinking of building one Graeme?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> So then, what's the design number? Are the plans fully detailed? How many sheets? Is there a comprehensive suggested building key? What price?
>
According to the Design List in the Database, it's #429. The little numbers on the drawing would indicate that it has a building key.
Are you thinking of building one Graeme?
Are you thinking of building one Graeme?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> So then, what's the design number? Are the plans fully detailed? How many sheets? Is there a comprehensive suggested building key? What price?
>
Well spotted there Tom,
http://boatbits.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/a-really-smart-rig.html
http://boatbits.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/some-more-balanced-lug-goodness.html
So, EconomySeagoingCruiser plans were drawn... with some noteable changes to the 30-ODD BOATS sketch proposal. How long has Bob had them pinned on a wall? I mean how long ago were the ESC plans drawn, not how long has Bob vouched for the balanced lug... that's not the trickest balanced lug PCB drew, so the eighties? Early or late?? Bob's low res scan when blown up looks to me to show in the title box: "DESIGN #..." - I can't make out the number. Any built? Chris posted a few times that he had ESC plans, but mustn't have been able to locate them... Another said that one was once to be seen in the Port Townsend area, but the Coots up that way did not confirm the sighting...
So then, what's the design number? Are the plans fully detailed? How many sheets? Is there a comprehensive suggested building key? What price?
http://boatbits.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/a-really-smart-rig.html
http://boatbits.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/some-more-balanced-lug-goodness.html
So, EconomySeagoingCruiser plans were drawn... with some noteable changes to the 30-ODD BOATS sketch proposal. How long has Bob had them pinned on a wall? I mean how long ago were the ESC plans drawn, not how long has Bob vouched for the balanced lug... that's not the trickest balanced lug PCB drew, so the eighties? Early or late?? Bob's low res scan when blown up looks to me to show in the title box: "DESIGN #..." - I can't make out the number. Any built? Chris posted a few times that he had ESC plans, but mustn't have been able to locate them... Another said that one was once to be seen in the Port Townsend area, but the Coots up that way did not confirm the sighting...
So then, what's the design number? Are the plans fully detailed? How many sheets? Is there a comprehensive suggested building key? What price?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Pee" <tompee77@...> wrote:
>
> Saw pictures of the ESC boat at Boatbitsblog. Would like to recieve more info regardin dimensions and reason for design. What does ESC stand for? Is the hull box shaped?
> Saw pictures of the ESC boat at Boatbitsblog.One of the problems of flat-bottom sailing boats is that when the boat heels, the back corner digs in and can do bad things to the sailing lines. Making the back high or narrow can help. Mr. Bolger got to wondering if a different approach would be to let the stern narrow to a point without making it high, i.e. leaving a deep knife edge in the water.
> Would like to receive more info regarding dimensions and reason for design.
He tested it out on a little boat called EEEK!. This was not a very useful boat, but it seemed to sail OK, so he designed ESC to see how promising it looks blown up to cruising size. I don't know if he expected that anyone would want to build one, but I'm pretty sure he did his best to be sure it would function OK if anyone did.
Personally, I think that for coastal cruising, you would be better off with an AS-29. It's a proven design, and it's pretty clear there is a marked for a used boat in good condition.
Mr. Bolger also designed a conventional-looking 39' centerboard yawl for home building. It's listed here:http://hallman.org/bolger/isometrics
as "Homebuilt Yawl." It could be a good choice if the cruising party is more than a couple.
Tom,
There's lots of commentary on theEconomy Seagoing Cruiserin previous messages available through the search function here.
On Oct 18, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Tom Pee wrote:
Hope this reply changes to inbox rather than spam.From:Tom Pee <tompee77@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject:[bolger] ESCSaw pictures of the ESC boat at Boatbitsblog. Would like to recieve more info regardin dimensions and reason for design. What does ESC stand for? Is the hull box shaped?
Hope this reply changes to inbox rather than spam.
From:Tom Pee <tompee77@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject:[bolger] ESC
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:07 PM
Subject:[bolger] ESC
Saw pictures of the ESC boat at Boatbitsblog. Would like to recieve more info regardin dimensions and reason for design. What does ESC stand for? Is the hull box shaped?
Saw pictures of the ESC boat at Boatbitsblog. Would like to recieve more info regardin dimensions and reason for design. What does ESC stand for? Is the hull box shaped?
Dear Sir,
I intend to build Bolger Micro Trawler and want to have more pictures and
ask your help.
Thanks
Nezih
I intend to build Bolger Micro Trawler and want to have more pictures and
ask your help.
Thanks
Nezih
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: ESC
> Ray Hunt's 110 and 210?
>
>http://www.110class.com/
>
>http://www.210class.com/
>
> Bolger worked with Ray Hunt when he was young, IIRC...
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:12:26 -0700, Mark A wrote:
>
>> Here's another approach to ballasting the long, narrow double-ender.
>>http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
>>http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
>> ...
>> There's a third one I can't find my xerox of right now; another
>> Atkin, I think, from the MB series; larger than Splinter, with not
>> much flaring higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I be grateful.
>
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Ray Hunt's 110 and 210?
http://www.110class.com/
http://www.210class.com/
Bolger worked with Ray Hunt when he was young, IIRC...
http://www.110class.com/
http://www.210class.com/
Bolger worked with Ray Hunt when he was young, IIRC...
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:12:26 -0700, Mark A wrote:
> Here's another approach to ballasting the long, narrow double-ender.
>http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
>http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
> ...
> There's a third one I can't find my xerox of right now; another
> Atkin, I think, from the MB series; larger than Splinter, with not
> much flaring higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I be grateful.
--
John (jkohnen@...)
It is better to have loafed and lost than never to have loafed
at all. (James Thurber)
Susanne has posted many times on this forum. Any time anyone posts their email address is also posted. So, yes, her email address is public.
John
John
>
> Not to stick my nose in this, but it's generally considered rude to post
> someone's contact information on the internet. She has a publically
> published fax number, and its been said that's what she wants you to use
> even if it's hard to reach her sometimes. If she gave you her private
> e-mail address then that was for you only.
>
> Sorry for being a busy body...
>
>
> -
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT, USA
> Le Claire, IA, USA
> Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
>
And how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Jeeez
On 6/13/2012 5:33 PM, Scot McPherson wrote:Actually a long ton is 1016kg(2240lbs)whereas a tonne or metric ton is 1000kg(2200lbs).
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSAOld Lyme, CTLe Claire, IAhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcphersonSent from my iPhone...except that a "long ton" IS a Tonne or 1000 Kg or 2200#...
On 6/13/2012 1:08 PM, jdmeddock wrote:
>
> What about a ton of footballs?
> Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
> or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
> Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
>
> Justin
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Stuart
> Crawford<stuartcnz@...>wrote:
> >
> > Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> > Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
> > Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> > Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
> >
> > Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> > Lbs.
I think this one should close the issue!
On 06/13/2012 06:23 PM, tom s wrote:$1,000.00 is an American "boat unit".Would $1,000.00 Euro be a metric boat unit?Tom
Sent from my iPad=Actually a long ton is 1016kg(2240lbs)whereas a tonne or metric ton is 1000kg(2200lbs).
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSAOld Lyme, CTLe Claire, IAhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcphersonSent from my iPhone...except that a "long ton" IS a Tonne or 1000 Kg or 2200#...
On 6/13/2012 1:08 PM, jdmeddock wrote:
>
> What about a ton of footballs?
> Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
> or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
> Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
>
> Justin
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Stuart
> Crawford<stuartcnz@...>wrote:
> >
> > Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> > Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
> > Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> > Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
> >
> > Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> > Lbs.
$1,000.00 is an American "boat unit".
Would $1,000.00 Euro be a metric boat unit?
Tom
Sent from my iPad
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...> wrote:
=Actually a long ton is 1016kg(2240lbs)whereas a tonne or metric ton is 1000kg(2200lbs).
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSAOld Lyme, CTLe Claire, IAhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcphersonSent from my iPhone...except that a "long ton" IS a Tonne or 1000 Kg or 2200#...
On 6/13/2012 1:08 PM, jdmeddock wrote:
>
> What about a ton of footballs?
> Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
> or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
> Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
>
> Justin
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Stuart
> Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> > Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
> > Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> > Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
> >
> > Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> > Lbs.
Actually a long ton is 1016kg(2240lbs)whereas a tonne or metric ton is 1000kg(2200lbs).
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 13, 2012, at 4:22 PM, John Weiss <jrweiss98020@...> wrote:
...except that a "long ton" IS a Tonne or 1000 Kg or 2200#...
On 6/13/2012 1:08 PM, jdmeddock wrote:
>
> What about a ton of footballs?
> Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
> or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
> Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
>
> Justin
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Stuart
> Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> > Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
> > Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> > Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
> >
> > Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> > Lbs.
...except that a "long ton" IS a Tonne or 1000 Kg or 2200#...
On 6/13/2012 1:08 PM, jdmeddock wrote:
>
> What about a ton of footballs?
> Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
> or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
> Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
>
> Justin
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Stuart
> Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> > Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
> > Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> > Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
> >
> > Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> > Lbs.
Sorry, but a metric ton without qualifiers is actually called a tonne, there it has it's own built it qualifier, which by the way is approximately the weight of a long ton.
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 13, 2012, at 3:08 PM, "jdmeddock" <jmeddock@...> wrote:
What about a ton of footballs?
Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
Justin
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
>
>
> Stuart.
>
>
>
> Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> <mailto:scot.mcpherson@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20ESC> scotlfs
> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/scotlfs>
>
>
> Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
>
>
>
> Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> Lbs.
>
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT, USA
> Le Claire, IA, USA
> Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>>
>
What about a ton of footballs?
Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
Justin
Would that be 2000# of the brown oblong American ones
or 1000 kilos of the black and white spheres?
Maybe the brown oblong ones would be in long tons.
Justin
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Stuart Crawford <stuartcnz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world.
> Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
>
>
> Stuart.
>
>
>
> Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson" scot.mcpherson@...
> <mailto:scot.mcpherson@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20ESC> scotlfs
> <http://profiles.yahoo.com/scotlfs>
>
>
> Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
>
>
>
> Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
> Lbs.
>
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT, USA
> Le Claire, IA, USA
> Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>>
>
Here's another approach to ballasting the long and narrow, flattie
double ender.
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
The lifting daggerboard is rather good. It dampens one's enthusiasm
though that both boats still show hiking boards. These are both
racers after all.
There's another, more dayboat, i can't find the xerox of now; Atkin
again, I think, from the MB Series; heavier than either of these with
not very flaring, higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I'd be
grateful.
double ender.
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
The lifting daggerboard is rather good. It dampens one's enthusiasm
though that both boats still show hiking boards. These are both
racers after all.
There's another, more dayboat, i can't find the xerox of now; Atkin
again, I think, from the MB Series; heavier than either of these with
not very flaring, higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I'd be
grateful.
Here's another approach to ballasting the long, narrow double-ender.
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
Splinter's simple lifting daggerboard is rather good, though note the
artists rendering seems to show a hiking board still.
There's a third one I can't find my xerox of right now; another
Atkin, I think, from the MB series; larger than Splinter, with not
much flaring higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I be grateful.
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlyingSaucer.html
http://www.polysail.com/Splinter.htm
Splinter's simple lifting daggerboard is rather good, though note the
artists rendering seems to show a hiking board still.
There's a third one I can't find my xerox of right now; another
Atkin, I think, from the MB series; larger than Splinter, with not
much flaring higher sides. If anyone can point to it, I be grateful.
Unless you live in a metric country, which is most of the world. Then a ton tends to be regarded as 1,000kg, unless further qualified.
Stuart.
Posted by: "Scot Mc Pherson"scot.mcpherson@... scotlfs
Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:13 am (PDT)
Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000
Lbs.
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Le Claire, IA, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www. linkedin. com/in/scotmcphe rson>
Long, long ago, when writing about "Blackgauntlet II" in "The Folding Schooner" PCB cautioned that the savings in time and money when building a sharpie-like design were to be found in the hull only -- which is about one-third of the total amount of work involved. Once the shell of the hull has been built, the boat still has to be finished and fitted out like any other boat: ballast, decks, hatches, interior, mast(s), sail(s), etc., etc. With regard to the AS29 the construction and installation of the two bilgeboard trunks is a major additional task (I found) -- critical because of the need for them to be absolutely watertight. Rod |
From:Mike Allison <mysloop@...>;
To:<bolger@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: ESC
Sent:Mon, Jun 11, 2012 12:22:32 PM
On 06/11/2012 01:24 AM, Rod Symington wrote:If you have ever helped build a round bottom boat, you would understand my saying simple.
|
Generally speaking, when someone says a ton without a qualifier it's 2000 Lbs.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Mike Allison<mysloop@...>wrote:On 06/10/2012 10:57 PM, David wrote:The only thing I could add is that Bob said he used 1 ton of ballast on LMII.
But I never thought to ask him if that was a long ton or short ton.
Long ton - 2240lbs
Short ton - 2000lbsMike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
IF I am reading BWAOM correctly in respect of AS29, LMII would appear to have quite a lot less ballast which would be a big cost cutter (if I am right). LMII takes 3000lbs (or 1360kgs) per plan compared to what I read as about 5000lbs for AS29. When you look at the bottom profile, it seems to make sense that LMII will require less ballast as the bottom profile is less rounded due to length and the boat itself is heavier. Am I right on this?
On 06/11/2012 09:06 AM, loosemoosefilmworks wrote:Thanks, clears up where different numbers came from.
Just a note on the ballast used for LM2.. The total weight of ballast was as designed (total 1360KG) which was comprised of a metric ton of lead ingots in two steel ballast boxes made of 12mm plate... hence the difference between the weight of lead and the total weight of ballast.
BobMike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
Just a note on the ballast used for LM2.. The total weight of ballast was as designed (total 1360KG) which was comprised of a metric ton of lead ingots in two steel ballast boxes made of 12mm plate... hence the difference between the weight of lead and the total weight of ballast.
Bob
Bob
On 06/10/2012 10:57 PM, David wrote:IF I am reading BWAOM correctly in respect of AS29, LMII would appear to have quite a lot less ballast which would be a big cost cutter (if I am right). LMII takes 3000lbs (or 1360kgs) per plan compared to what I read as about 5000lbs for AS29. When you look at the bottom profile, it seems to make sense that LMII will require less ballast as the bottom profile is less rounded due to length and the boat itself is heavier. Am I right on this?
The only thing I could add is that Bob said he used 1 ton of ballast on LMII.
But I never thought to ask him if that was a long ton or short ton.
Long ton - 2240lbs
Short ton - 2000lbsMike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
On 06/11/2012 04:24 AM, N wrote:I'm guessing he built to plan spec, never asked him that.My mistake re: 110 sheets 5/8" ply. For some reason I had that in my head. If Bob says it's 75, i'm sure that is correct.
Neal
Maybe he will jump in and clear that up if he is keeping an eye on the threads.Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
On 06/11/2012 01:24 AM, Rod Symington wrote:If you have ever helped build a round bottom boat, you would understand my saying simple.
Re: the comment that AS29 is a "simple" design. PCB himself wrote that the boat was "complicated and expensive". Having just built one, I second that!
Rod
Compared to many other styles the AS type hull is simple to built.
I never said it would be a piece of cake. LOLMike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
My mistake re: 110 sheets 5/8" ply. For some reason I had that in my head. If Bob says it's 75, i'm sure that is correct.
Neal
Neal
AS29 has 2000 lbs of internal ballast (1000 lbs each side), and a theoretical finished weight of 7 300 lbs. Re: the comment that AS29 is a "simple" design. PCB himself wrote that the boat was "complicated and expensive". Having just built one, I second that! Rod |
From:David <dir_cobb@...>;
To:<bolger@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:[bolger] Re: ESC
Sent:Mon, Jun 11, 2012 3:57:31 AM
| Steve/Mike --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Allison <mysloop@...> wrote: |
Steve/Mike
I have similar feedback from Bob Wise on quantities which pretty much tallies with my calculations after poring over the plans for some time. The original building key for LMII specifies "All plywood 12mm or thicker up to 15mm unless otherwise specified" (15mm is probably reassuring). At least here in Chile the difference in price between 12 and 15 mm plywood is negligible in the context of things.
I have not done the full maths on the AS29 but the "stretch" is essentially in the midsection, with LM actually quite a bit fuller fore and aft in plan view. I would therefore conclude that LMII is actually about 50% more boat for 40% more plywood and 30% more LOA.
IF I am reading BWAOM correctly in respect of AS29, LMII would appear to have quite a lot less ballast which would be a big cost cutter (if I am right). LMII takes 3000lbs (or 1360kgs) per plan compared to what I read as about 5000lbs for AS29. When you look at the bottom profile, it seems to make sense that LMII will require less ballast as the bottom profile is less rounded due to length and the boat itself is heavier. Am I right on this?
LMII is over 6' wide from St4 to St21 (for a full 28' of length) and over 7' wide between St5 and 17 (20' length of the three central compartments).
AS29 appears to be 6' wide from St4 to St13 (18' length) and significantly over 7' for only a small part of the boat.
Just my thoughts.
David
Santiago, Chile
btw.: I usually get e-mail answers from Susanne (philbolger at comcast dot net) within a week or so, although quite often by return of e-mail. It's usually a question of how much thought process is required. The simple e-mails get answered faster than the more complex ones, which speaks well of the person answering as it reflects on the thought process that goes into responding to my more complex questions. I have found patience to be a virtue well worth developing.
I have similar feedback from Bob Wise on quantities which pretty much tallies with my calculations after poring over the plans for some time. The original building key for LMII specifies "All plywood 12mm or thicker up to 15mm unless otherwise specified" (15mm is probably reassuring). At least here in Chile the difference in price between 12 and 15 mm plywood is negligible in the context of things.
I have not done the full maths on the AS29 but the "stretch" is essentially in the midsection, with LM actually quite a bit fuller fore and aft in plan view. I would therefore conclude that LMII is actually about 50% more boat for 40% more plywood and 30% more LOA.
IF I am reading BWAOM correctly in respect of AS29, LMII would appear to have quite a lot less ballast which would be a big cost cutter (if I am right). LMII takes 3000lbs (or 1360kgs) per plan compared to what I read as about 5000lbs for AS29. When you look at the bottom profile, it seems to make sense that LMII will require less ballast as the bottom profile is less rounded due to length and the boat itself is heavier. Am I right on this?
LMII is over 6' wide from St4 to St21 (for a full 28' of length) and over 7' wide between St5 and 17 (20' length of the three central compartments).
AS29 appears to be 6' wide from St4 to St13 (18' length) and significantly over 7' for only a small part of the boat.
Just my thoughts.
David
Santiago, Chile
btw.: I usually get e-mail answers from Susanne (philbolger at comcast dot net) within a week or so, although quite often by return of e-mail. It's usually a question of how much thought process is required. The simple e-mails get answered faster than the more complex ones, which speaks well of the person answering as it reflects on the thought process that goes into responding to my more complex questions. I have found patience to be a virtue well worth developing.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Allison <mysloop@...> wrote:
>
> On 06/10/2012 07:30 AM, sandidgeneal wrote:
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > The LMII will cost about twice the AS29. AS uses 55 sheets 1/2" ply.
> > LMII uses 110 sheets 5/8".
> >
> > Neal
> >
>
> For what it is worth, this is what Bob who built Loose Moose II sent me.
>
> >Hi Mike
>
> >Hull sides were 15mm ply
> >Bottom was three layers of 15MM
> >Deck was a single layer 15MM
> >All told we used about 75 sheets of plywood to build LM2.
> >Ballast was about a ton of lead ingots...
> >Hope that helps
>
> >Bob
>
>
>
> Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
>
Nels,
My apologies...I meant Neal....
Sorry...
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Scot Mc Pherson<scot.mcpherson@...>wrote:The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Try "an email address".--------NelsNot to stick my nose in this, but it's generally considered rude to post someone's contact information on the internet. She has a publically published fax number, and its been said that's what she wants you to use even if it's hard to reach her sometimes. If she gave you her private e-mail address then that was for you only.Sorry for being a busy body...
Have no idea what you are talking about.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Scot Mc Pherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
wrote:
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Scot Mc Pherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
wrote:
>post
> The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is
> super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Try "an email address".
> --------
>
> Nels
>
> Not to stick my nose in this, but it's generally considered rude to
> someone's contact information on the internet. She has a publicallyuse
> published fax number, and its been said that's what she wants you to
> even if it's hard to reach her sometimes. If she gave you her private
> e-mail address then that was for you only.
>
> Sorry for being a busy body...
>
>
> -
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT, USA
> Le Claire, IA, USA
> Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
>
The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Try "an email address".
--------
Nels
Not to stick my nose in this, but it's generally considered rude to post someone's contact information on the internet. She has a publically published fax number, and its been said that's what she wants you to use even if it's hard to reach her sometimes. If she gave you her private e-mail address then that was for you only.
Sorry for being a busy body...
On 06/10/2012 09:37 AM, steve acton wrote:I don't think I'd call it ugly by any means, different from all the other AS boats, yes.Great, thanks again. Now want to know how it performs. Very interesting. Someone described the design as intentionally ugly - or some such comment. Don't agree. Thankfully, beauty is a moveable and personal judgement. I like it.
I do think she would be harder to build than the others.
One of the things I have always liked about the Jesse Cooper, AS-29 and LMII was the simple design.
Also like the amount of storage the design gives compared to other boats of the same length/beam.Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
Great, thanks again. Now want to know how it performs. Very interesting. Someone described the design as intentionally ugly - or some such comment. Don't agree. Thankfully, beauty is a moveable and personal judgement. I like it.
From:Mike Allison <mysloop@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 10 June 2012, 14:51
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: ESC
On 06/10/2012 08:26 AM, steve acton wrote:
I did find this on AS-34.Hi, Mike, thanks that's very useful. Has anyone built an AS 34 yet? I've only seen 1 drawing of the design, on boat design forum I think.Steve
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/AS34/
Mike
Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
On 06/10/2012 08:26 AM, steve acton wrote:I did find this on AS-34.Hi, Mike, thanks that's very useful. Has anyone built an AS 34 yet? I've only seen 1 drawing of the design, on boat design forum I think.Steve
http://www.hallman.org/bolger/AS34/Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
On 06/10/2012 08:26 AM, steve acton wrote:I have not heard of one, but that's not to say it has not been done.Hi, Mike, thanks that's very useful. Has anyone built an AS 34 yet? I've only seen 1 drawing of the design, on boat design forum I think.Steve
I can't remember even seeing a drawing of one.
Guess I need to run another search on it and see what I can find.Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
Hi, Mike, thanks that's very useful. Has anyone built an AS 34 yet? I've only seen 1 drawing of the design, on boat design forum I think.
Steve
From:Mike Allison <mysloop@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 10 June 2012, 13:54
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: ESC
On 06/10/2012 07:30 AM, sandidgeneal wrote:
Steve,
The LMII will cost about twice the AS29. AS uses 55 sheets 1/2" ply. LMII uses 110 sheets 5/8".
Neal
For what it is worth, this is what Bob who built Loose Moose II sent me.
>Hi Mike
>Hull sides were 15mm ply
>Bottom was three layers of 15MM
>Deck was a single layer 15MM
>All told we used about 75 sheets of plywood to build LM2.
>Ballast was about a ton of lead ingots...
>Hope that helps
>Bob
Mike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
On 06/10/2012 07:30 AM, sandidgeneal wrote:
Steve,
The LMII will cost about twice the AS29. AS uses 55 sheets 1/2" ply. LMII uses 110 sheets 5/8".
Neal
For what it is worth, this is what Bob who built Loose Moose II sent me.
>Hi Mike
>Hull sides were 15mm ply
>Bottom was three layers of 15MM
>Deck was a single layer 15MM
>All told we used about 75 sheets of plywood to build LM2.
>Ballast was about a ton of lead ingots...
>Hope that helps
>BobMike Allison... (North of Kansas City Mo. USA)
Steve,
The LMII will cost about twice the AS29. AS uses 55 sheets 1/2" ply. LMII uses 110 sheets 5/8".
Neal
The LMII will cost about twice the AS29. AS uses 55 sheets 1/2" ply. LMII uses 110 sheets 5/8".
Neal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, steve acton <steve4b2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neal, blimey that was quick! Thanks for the plan info, sure don't want anyone going Teutonic on my a** so will try not to post too dumb.
> Unfortunately, can't guarantee it.
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2012, 12:06
> Subject: [bolger] Re: ESC
>
>
> Â
>
> Hi Steve:
>
> The LMII plans are $500; the AS29 $400.
>
> The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Try philologer@...
>
> She also lurks on this site and she's quick to go Teutonic on anybody that irritates her; so, in a pinch, you could probably just post something dumb.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "steve4b2" <steve4b2@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, N <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Love that Loose Moose II design! I first contacted PCB&F re: the LMII; but after two sleepless nights and a certain amount of testicular shrinkage, I switched to the AS29 which I have now started. Probably a wise decision for me as I have no plans to live aboard ( unless my wife throws my sorry a** out!), but I am sure I will, in the future, gaze wistfully at my stubby cabin and think about those extra nine feet!
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> >
> > Hi, Neal, I'm a new member here, can I ask you a couple of questions? Since it seems difficult at the moment to contact PB&F, can I ask the price of Loose Moose II /AS 39 and AS29 plans? And is there a plan available for the AS 34 design?
> >
> > Like you, I suspect I'm caught somewhere right in between the AS 29 and the 39. One's too short and the other's too long. 35 ft would be just right for me.
> >
> > My partner and I lived on a 28.5 ft x 8.5 ft Maurice Griffiths ply design for several years. We managed, but it was difficult not to overload the poor thing. Space wise, bearable, just, so you could live on the AS29, but it takes either a ruthless discipline about stuff, or an acceptance of sluggish performance and down on her lines looks.
> >
> > Good luck with the build, more details about how it's going would be interesting,
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
Hi Neal, blimey that was quick! Thanks for the plan info, sure don't want anyone going Teutonic on my a** so will try not to post too dumb.
Unfortunately, can't guarantee it.
Cheers, Steve
From:sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, 10 June 2012, 12:06
Subject:[bolger] Re: ESC
Hi Steve:
The LMII plans are $500; the AS29 $400.
The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Tryphilologer@....
She also lurks on this site and she's quick to go Teutonic on anybody that irritates her; so, in a pinch, you could probably just post something dumb.
Neal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "steve4b2" <steve4b2@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, N <nsandidge@> wrote:
> >
> > Love that Loose Moose II design! I first contacted PCB&F re: the LMII; but after two sleepless nights and a certain amount of testicular shrinkage, I switched to the AS29 which I have now started. Probably a wise decision for me as I have no plans to live aboard ( unless my wife throws my sorry a** out!), but I am sure I will, in the future, gaze wistfully at my stubby cabin and think about those extra nine feet!
> >
> > Neal
> >
>
> Hi, Neal, I'm a new member here, can I ask you a couple of questions? Since it seems difficult at the moment to contact PB&F, can I ask the price of Loose Moose II /AS 39 and AS29 plans? And is there a plan available for the AS 34 design?
>
> Like you, I suspect I'm caught somewhere right in between the AS 29 and the 39. One's too short and the other's too long. 35 ft would be just right for me.
>
> My partner and I lived on a 28.5 ft x 8.5 ft Maurice Griffiths ply design for several years. We managed, but it was difficult not to overload the poor thing. Space wise, bearable, just, so you could live on the AS29, but it takes either a ruthless discipline about stuff, or an acceptance of sluggish performance and down on her lines looks.
>
> Good luck with the build, more details about how it's going would be interesting,
>
> Steve
>
Hi Steve:
The LMII plans are $500; the AS29 $400.
The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Tryphilologer@....
She also lurks on this site and she's quick to go Teutonic on anybody that irritates her; so, in a pinch, you could probably just post something dumb.
Neal
The LMII plans are $500; the AS29 $400.
The PCB plans business is being run by Phil's wife, Susanne. She is super-busy and hard to get ahold of. Tryphilologer@....
She also lurks on this site and she's quick to go Teutonic on anybody that irritates her; so, in a pinch, you could probably just post something dumb.
Neal
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "steve4b2" <steve4b2@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, N <nsandidge@> wrote:
> >
> > Love that Loose Moose II design! I first contacted PCB&F re: the LMII; but after two sleepless nights and a certain amount of testicular shrinkage, I switched to the AS29 which I have now started. Probably a wise decision for me as I have no plans to live aboard ( unless my wife throws my sorry a** out!), but I am sure I will, in the future, gaze wistfully at my stubby cabin and think about those extra nine feet!
> >
> > Neal
> >
>
> Hi, Neal, I'm a new member here, can I ask you a couple of questions? Since it seems difficult at the moment to contact PB&F, can I ask the price of Loose Moose II /AS 39 and AS29 plans? And is there a plan available for the AS 34 design?
>
> Like you, I suspect I'm caught somewhere right in between the AS 29 and the 39. One's too short and the other's too long. 35 ft would be just right for me.
>
> My partner and I lived on a 28.5 ft x 8.5 ft Maurice Griffiths ply design for several years. We managed, but it was difficult not to overload the poor thing. Space wise, bearable, just, so you could live on the AS29, but it takes either a ruthless discipline about stuff, or an acceptance of sluggish performance and down on her lines looks.
>
> Good luck with the build, more details about how it's going would be interesting,
>
> Steve
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, N <nsandidge@...> wrote:
Like you, I suspect I'm caught somewhere right in between the AS 29 and the 39. One's too short and the other's too long. 35 ft would be just right for me.
My partner and I lived on a 28.5 ft x 8.5 ft Maurice Griffiths ply design for several years. We managed, but it was difficult not to overload the poor thing. Space wise, bearable, just, so you could live on the AS29, but it takes either a ruthless discipline about stuff, or an acceptance of sluggish performance and down on her lines looks.
Good luck with the build, more details about how it's going would be interesting,
Steve
>Hi, Neal, I'm a new member here, can I ask you a couple of questions? Since it seems difficult at the moment to contact PB&F, can I ask the price of Loose Moose II /AS 39 and AS29 plans? And is there a plan available for the AS 34 design?
> Love that Loose Moose II design! I first contacted PCB&F re: the LMII; but after two sleepless nights and a certain amount of testicular shrinkage, I switched to the AS29 which I have now started. Probably a wise decision for me as I have no plans to live aboard ( unless my wife throws my sorry a** out!), but I am sure I will, in the future, gaze wistfully at my stubby cabin and think about those extra nine feet!
>
> Neal
>
Like you, I suspect I'm caught somewhere right in between the AS 29 and the 39. One's too short and the other's too long. 35 ft would be just right for me.
My partner and I lived on a 28.5 ft x 8.5 ft Maurice Griffiths ply design for several years. We managed, but it was difficult not to overload the poor thing. Space wise, bearable, just, so you could live on the AS29, but it takes either a ruthless discipline about stuff, or an acceptance of sluggish performance and down on her lines looks.
Good luck with the build, more details about how it's going would be interesting,
Steve
Love that Loose Moose II design! I first contacted PCB&F re: the LMII; but after two sleepless nights and a certain amount of testicular shrinkage, I switched to the AS29 which I have now started. Probably a wise decision for me as I have no plans to live aboard ( unless my wife throws my sorry a** out!), but I am sure I will, in the future, gaze wistfully at my stubby cabin and think about those extra nine feet!
Neal
Neal
Nels,
Actually that was a mistake. I meant to share it privately with Lucas, who has no hope of getting the book. My apologies to Susanne.
All I have on Boxtop is here.
Mark
On Jun 9, 2012, at 6:08 AM, prairiedog2332 wrote:
Mark,
How did you do that? Do you have the pdf file for Box Top? Some folks
might be interested in looking at that as well.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy!
>
Mark,
How did you do that? Do you have the pdf file for Box Top? Some folks
might be interested in looking at that as well.
Nels
How did you do that? Do you have the pdf file for Box Top? Some folks
might be interested in looking at that as well.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy!
>
Enjoy!
Fred Schumacher
Greaney and Burnsville, MN
Tortoise
June Bug
Fisherman's Skiff
and hundreds of sketches of concepts inspired by Bolger's designs.
Daniel Pike, North Bay, Canada.
Jinni, June Bug, Tortoise.
Jinni, June Bug, Tortoise.
> >
> > For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
> >
> > Mike
> > Junebug, Queenmab
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Bjorn Harbo, Oslo, Norway
William D Jochems Schooner
William D Jochems Schooner
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
>
>
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
>
> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
>
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Champlain, half completed, still working on it....
Bolger, a man to be remembered!
Paul
Marieville, QC.
Bolger, a man to be remembered!
Paul
Marieville, QC.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
>
>
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
>
> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
>
Bruce, Katherine, Hugo and Dominic Tyson send deepest sympathies to Suzanne on the passing of Phil. We have been lucky to have a father who is probably the most prolific builder of Phil's designs in Australia and we have been lucky enough to have corresponded and talked to both Phil and Suzanne about boat designs. In tribute to Phil here is a rough list of designs that my Dad has completed, used and enjoyed;
Teal dinghy
Romp
Elegant Punt x2
Chebacco
Recreational Rowing Boat
Marina Cruiser(Merlin)
Harbinger(Cat Boat)
Spurr 2
Diablo
Bunny R Lobster Boat
Reuben's Nymph
These boats are all in use (not all owned by us now) and Bruce, Hugo and our families all love going out on our Lobster boat "Gryphon" Thank you Phil.
Teal dinghy
Romp
Elegant Punt x2
Chebacco
Recreational Rowing Boat
Marina Cruiser(Merlin)
Harbinger(Cat Boat)
Spurr 2
Diablo
Bunny R Lobster Boat
Reuben's Nymph
These boats are all in use (not all owned by us now) and Bruce, Hugo and our families all love going out on our Lobster boat "Gryphon" Thank you Phil.
--- On Wed, 3/6/09, Susan Davis <futabachan@...> wrote:
From: Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Received: Wednesday, 3 June, 2009, 3:49 PM
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Mike John <mikeboatman@ ...> wrote:
>
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
> cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest
> we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we
> could clog this forum.
Singlehanded Schooner
Gloucester Light Dory
Tortoise
...and an awful lot of dreaming about the Insolent 60, which I suppose isn't going to happen now.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@yahoo. com>
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Gary in North Florida: Tortoise, Zephyr, Design #459 Single Handed Ocean Racer (30') with dipping/balanced lug, v-bottom catboat "Cartoon 40" lengthened 25 percent. Model of Martha Jane.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "james caldwell" <jcaldwell29@...> wrote:
>
> Mike:
> Boats Built:
> Yellow Leaf, Wisp, Wish II.
> Scale contruction models of:
> Triple Keel Sloop, Off shore Leeboarded, Romp and Palo de Agua.
> Jim Caldwell
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
> >
> > Mike
> > Junebug, Queenmab
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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>
Susanne,
As an Archivist/Librarian I know that with such large tasks archives often rely on voluntary labor. You'll need to supervise, but maybe when you are ready you could ask for some trustworthy friends to help you. You have many 'friends' here.
Mike
Australia
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:philbolger@...
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
Susan Davis,
sorry for the shock. But I-60 is by no means 'dead'. Once I've re-establish economic viability of PB&F after progressive disintegration of predictable productivity and thus income, I-60 remains as 'manic' as ever, with a good amount done... But first I'll try to take a sober bearing on how to at long last crack open reasonable access to the archive, piece by piece. I has been always on our minds and significant steps had been taken by Phil and I over several months to make the project technically plausible. I hope I'll get my head straight enough again for real progress. Susanne
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As an Archivist/Librarian I know that with such large tasks archives often rely on voluntary labor. You'll need to supervise, but maybe when you are ready you could ask for some trustworthy friends to help you. You have many 'friends' here.
Mike
Australia
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:philbolger@...
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:10:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
Susan Davis,
sorry for the shock. But I-60 is by no means 'dead'. Once I've re-establish economic viability of PB&F after progressive disintegration of predictable productivity and thus income, I-60 remains as 'manic' as ever, with a good amount done... But first I'll try to take a sober bearing on how to at long last crack open reasonable access to the archive, piece by piece. I has been always on our minds and significant steps had been taken by Phil and I over several months to make the project technically plausible. I hope I'll get my head straight enough again for real progress. Susanne
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Susan Davis,
sorry for the shock. But I-60 is by no means 'dead'. Once I've re-establish economic viability of PB&F after progressive disintegration of predictable productivity and thus income, I-60 remains as 'manic' as ever, with a good amount done... But first I'll try to take a sober bearing on how to at long last crack open reasonable access to the archive, piece by piece. I has been always on our minds and significant steps had been taken by Phil and I over several months to make the project technically plausible. I hope I'll get my head straight enough again for real progress. Susanne
sorry for the shock. But I-60 is by no means 'dead'. Once I've re-establish economic viability of PB&F after progressive disintegration of predictable productivity and thus income, I-60 remains as 'manic' as ever, with a good amount done... But first I'll try to take a sober bearing on how to at long last crack open reasonable access to the archive, piece by piece. I has been always on our minds and significant steps had been taken by Phil and I over several months to make the project technically plausible. I hope I'll get my head straight enough again for real progress. Susanne
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Davis
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 1:49 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
> cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest
> we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we
> could clog this forum.
Singlehanded Schooner
Gloucester Light Dory
Tortoise
...and an awful lot of dreaming about the Insolent 60, which I suppose isn't going to happen now.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
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Mike:
Boats Built:
Yellow Leaf, Wisp, Wish II.
Scale contruction models of:
Triple Keel Sloop, Off shore Leeboarded, Romp and Palo de Agua.
Jim Caldwell
Boats Built:
Yellow Leaf, Wisp, Wish II.
Scale contruction models of:
Triple Keel Sloop, Off shore Leeboarded, Romp and Palo de Agua.
Jim Caldwell
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
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> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
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MICRO
WINDERMERE
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WINDERMERE
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
Gloucester Light Dory
Tortoise
...and an awful lot of dreaming about the Insolent 60, which I suppose isn't going to happen now.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Singlehanded Schooner
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
> cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest
> we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we
> could clog this forum.
Gloucester Light Dory
Tortoise
...and an awful lot of dreaming about the Insolent 60, which I suppose isn't going to happen now.
--
Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
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Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
>Oh, no! I just learned of this; please accept my deepest sympathies. :-(
> Today's issue of the Boston Globe features large obituary on Phil. For those here in New England, perhaps a paper-copy is within your reach this morning. Nothing to fault in it.
>
> I am wobbly but standing, getting through one day at a time.
> I do thank you all for your good words and comforting sentiments and wish you strength in coping with challenges in your life; may the load not be more than you can carry.
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Susan Davis <futabachan@...>
I think Phills intent was to make boat building so anyone could do it. There in not needing to be perfect and saying so. Many materials could be used and end with a work boat finnish or as I said Gold Plated as long as it was used done with pride and used some more. He would be happy as long as the boat was used and the mopre the better. Gold Plating just shows a little more to be proud of and having real skill. but again use is what he is looking for. So do and do what is your best then use it.
Jon
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robb" <robb@...> wrote:
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> I've been thinking about this message all day. I don't know much about the
> bantam design but I do know that PCB wasn't usually in to making things gold
> plated....in fact he was usually contrary to such an idea. Maybe I'm wrong
> but most of Phil's writing that I have read usually encourage building as
> cheaply as you can. The same guy that wanted every last inch of plywood
> from every sheet to be used usually didn't approve or encourage gold plating
> of boats that were "supposed to look cheap" Maybe I'm wrong about this,
> perhaps there are people who know his ideas better than I. Robb
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:09 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
>
>
> > Hand write a letter to Susan telling her you had writen to Philand was
> > waiting to get to the post office when the loss came. Let her know to
> > continue to build there design is the best way to honor him. Make it a
> > gold plater.
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> > Jon
In western Oregon
Micro
Tortoise
June Bug
currently building the Brick that became a Duck
MylesJ
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Micro
Tortoise
June Bug
currently building the Brick that became a Duck
MylesJ
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Seems to me that the "Bolger Boats Built" database for this group is the best cyber flotilla compilation. I updated it for the eight designs I've completed.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com/boatbuilding_index.htm
Lucas Costa
Micro (built by my father, Gilberto Costa)
on Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil
and one PDRacer, a direct brother of Brick
on Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
- may the boats lives and remember the man -
Micro (built by my father, Gilberto Costa)
on Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil
and one PDRacer, a direct brother of Brick
on Rio de Janeiro, Brasil
- may the boats lives and remember the man -
I've been thinking about this message all day. I don't know much about the
bantam design but I do know that PCB wasn't usually in to making things gold
plated....in fact he was usually contrary to such an idea. Maybe I'm wrong
but most of Phil's writing that I have read usually encourage building as
cheaply as you can. The same guy that wanted every last inch of plywood
from every sheet to be used usually didn't approve or encourage gold plating
of boats that were "supposed to look cheap" Maybe I'm wrong about this,
perhaps there are people who know his ideas better than I. Robb
bantam design but I do know that PCB wasn't usually in to making things gold
plated....in fact he was usually contrary to such an idea. Maybe I'm wrong
but most of Phil's writing that I have read usually encourage building as
cheaply as you can. The same guy that wanted every last inch of plywood
from every sheet to be used usually didn't approve or encourage gold plating
of boats that were "supposed to look cheap" Maybe I'm wrong about this,
perhaps there are people who know his ideas better than I. Robb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon & Wanda(Tink)" <windyjon@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
> Hand write a letter to Susan telling her you had writen to Philand was
> waiting to get to the post office when the loss came. Let her know to
> continue to build there design is the best way to honor him. Make it a
> gold plater.
>
> Jon
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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>> Jon,
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>> Yes, I agree that is a fine way also. I had a hand written letter
>> written and set to send to Phil by airmail ordering Bantam plans. I
>> always wrote to Phil by hand as it seemed right. He always wrote to me by
>> hand. I have the letter now ready to post but I was waiting for the trip
>> to the post office to get the international money order. Now I have a
>> dilemma as how to proceed.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> From: windyjon@...
>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:20:11 +0000
>> Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
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June Bug, Gypsy, Auray punt, rescued and rebuilt Micro and one seductively
charming model of Bobcat. A hurricane wounded Jessie Cooper sits by my
driveway awaiting restoration. I have unused (not counting the model) plans
for Bobcat, stretched light dory, Jochems Schooner, and even Fast Motor
Sailor (inherited from the builder of the Jessie Cooper). Don't even THINK
about offering to buy any of these plans.
I truly hope a mass gathering of boats and builders will assemble in
Gloucester in the late summer or fall. It will compel me to throw myself
into re-rigging the Micro with her Chinese gaff rig as quickly as possible
so we can sail her there with the Auray punt in tow.
Jack E. Bearden (jeb), just up the coast from Gloucester and around the
corner into the Bay of Fundy on the Nova Scotia shore.
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charming model of Bobcat. A hurricane wounded Jessie Cooper sits by my
driveway awaiting restoration. I have unused (not counting the model) plans
for Bobcat, stretched light dory, Jochems Schooner, and even Fast Motor
Sailor (inherited from the builder of the Jessie Cooper). Don't even THINK
about offering to buy any of these plans.
I truly hope a mass gathering of boats and builders will assemble in
Gloucester in the late summer or fall. It will compel me to throw myself
into re-rigging the Micro with her Chinese gaff rig as quickly as possible
so we can sail her there with the Auray punt in tow.
Jack E. Bearden (jeb), just up the coast from Gloucester and around the
corner into the Bay of Fundy on the Nova Scotia shore.
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Thank you Susanne (and Ion) for reference to the obituary. It is now added
to my growing archive on Phil's life. I am extremely grateful that you are
in contact with this group at this painful and difficult time. That you find
some comfort in this disconnected cyber community somehow comforts me as I'm
sure it does all members of the Bolger list serve.
Jack E. Bearden (jeb), on the Nova Scotia shores of the Bay of Fundy
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to my growing archive on Phil's life. I am extremely grateful that you are
in contact with this group at this painful and difficult time. That you find
some comfort in this disconnected cyber community somehow comforts me as I'm
sure it does all members of the Bolger list serve.
Jack E. Bearden (jeb), on the Nova Scotia shores of the Bay of Fundy
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Hand write a letter to Susan telling her you had writen to Philand was waiting to get to the post office when the loss came. Let her know to continue to build there design is the best way to honor him. Make it a gold plater.
Jon
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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> Jon,
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> Yes, I agree that is a fine way also. I had a hand written letter written and set to send to Phil by airmail ordering Bantam plans. I always wrote to Phil by hand as it seemed right. He always wrote to me by hand. I have the letter now ready to post but I was waiting for the trip to the post office to get the international money order. Now I have a dilemma as how to proceed.
>
> Mike
>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> From: windyjon@...
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:20:11 +0000
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
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Here is a direct link to the Boston Globe Obituary.
http://tinyurl.com/kunuqj
http://tinyurl.com/kunuqj
--- On Sun, 5/31/09,Susanne@...<philbolger@...> wrote:
From:Susanne@...<philbolger@...>
Subject: [bolger] Obituary in Boston Globe 053109
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 5:38 AM
Today's issue of the Boston Globe features large obituary on Phil. For those here in New England, perhaps a paper-copy is within your reach this morning. Nothing to fault in it.
I am wobbly but standing, getting through one day at a time.
I do thank you all for your good words and comforting sentiments and wish you strength in coping with challenges in your life; may the load not be more than you can carry.
Susanne
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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> gloucester gull. crab skiff, sea hawk.
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
>
> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
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Today's issue of the Boston Globe features large obituary on Phil. For those here in New England, perhaps a paper-copy is within your reach this morning. Nothing to fault in it.
I am wobbly but standing, getting through one day at a time.
I do thank you all for your good words and comforting sentiments and wish you strength in coping with challenges in your life; may the load not be more than you can carry.
Susanne
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I am wobbly but standing, getting through one day at a time.
I do thank you all for your good words and comforting sentiments and wish you strength in coping with challenges in your life; may the load not be more than you can carry.
Susanne
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Three Tortoise, Eight Nymph's ,two 10 1/2 Pointy skiffs, two Bee step sharpies,Two Elegant's, One Brick, One June Bug, One Diablo, Micro, Jessie Cooper, Loose Moose 2... Currently setting on the plans for a Rubens Nymph!
Bob
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http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
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Two Cartoppers, a model of His and Her Schooner, and dozens of others in imagination...
John O'Neill
John O'Neill
Jon,
Yes, I agree that is a fine way also. I had a hand written letter written and set to send to Phil by airmail ordering Bantam plans. I always wrote to Phil by hand as it seemed right. He always wrote to me by hand. I have the letter now ready to post but I was waiting for the trip to the post office to get the international money order. Now I have a dilemma as how to proceed.
Mike
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:windyjon@...
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:20:11 +0000
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
The best way to honer a designer is to build another of his boats.
Jon
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Yes, I agree that is a fine way also. I had a hand written letter written and set to send to Phil by airmail ordering Bantam plans. I always wrote to Phil by hand as it seemed right. He always wrote to me by hand. I have the letter now ready to post but I was waiting for the trip to the post office to get the international money order. Now I have a dilemma as how to proceed.
Mike
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:windyjon@...
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 01:20:11 +0000
Subject: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
The best way to honer a designer is to build another of his boats.
Jon
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The best way to honer a designer is to build another of his boats.
Jon
Jon
Chebacco, Virginia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike John" <mikeboatman@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Cyber floatilla
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> John,
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> Thank you. Adding the location is a great idea. NC is North Carolina? The
> state name in full would be very helpful for us non US redisents. Saves
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> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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Great idea - thanks.
Featherwind (built with friend, 1981), and another Featherwind, in progress now..
Andrew Wallace,
New Zealand.
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From: Mike John <mikeboatman@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 May, 2009 10:42:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] Cyber floatilla
For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
Mike
Junebug, Queenmab
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To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 30 May, 2009 10:42:05 AM
Subject: [bolger] Cyber floatilla
For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
Mike
Junebug, Queenmab
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Elegant Punt, Dunedin, Florida
Bill
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John,
Thank you. Adding the location is a great idea. NC is North Carolina? The state name in full would be very helpful for us non US redisents. Saves looking it up.
Mike
Great idea. Let me add a Nymph that resides in Fayetteville, NC on Lake Stewart.
John
Mike,
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Thank you. Adding the location is a great idea. NC is North Carolina? The state name in full would be very helpful for us non US redisents. Saves looking it up.
Mike
Great idea. Let me add a Nymph that resides in Fayetteville, NC on Lake Stewart.
John
Mike,
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Mike,
Great idea. Let me add a Nymph that resides in Fayetteville, NC on Lake
Stewart.
John
Great idea. Let me add a Nymph that resides in Fayetteville, NC on Lake
Stewart.
John
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike John <mikeboatman@...> wrote:
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> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we
list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could
clog this forum.
>
> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
>
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Mike:
I built a Windsprint in 1997, viewable at
http://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats/
For anyone who hasn't noticed, the "Database" portion of the Yahoo group
home (menu on the left) has a database named "Bolger Boats Built
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2>"
with a listing of boats built by group members.
Patrick
Mike John wrote:
I built a Windsprint in 1997, viewable at
http://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats/
For anyone who hasn't noticed, the "Database" portion of the Yahoo group
home (menu on the left) has a database named "Bolger Boats Built
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/database?method=reportRows&tbl=2>"
with a listing of boats built by group members.
Patrick
Mike John wrote:
> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
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> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
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Gene Tehansky wrote:
a time by it's owner. Both boats are still sailing the Chesapeake Bay.
They both provided a huge amount of pride and pleasure.
Douglas Pollard
Doug
>I built two of Mr. Bolgers Wolftrap the second one was named One Day at
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> With deep appreciation of all Phil has given us.
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> Gene Tehansky, Maryland, USA
> Brick, Single Handed Schooner, Micro Navigator in the works.
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> On 29 May, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Mike John wrote:
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> > For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
> > cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest
> > we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we
> > could clog this forum.
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> > Mike
> > Junebug, Queenmab
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a time by it's owner. Both boats are still sailing the Chesapeake Bay.
They both provided a huge amount of pride and pleasure.
Douglas Pollard
Doug
With deep appreciation of all Phil has given us.
Gene Tehansky, Maryland, USA
Brick, Single Handed Schooner, Micro Navigator in the works.
Gene Tehansky, Maryland, USA
Brick, Single Handed Schooner, Micro Navigator in the works.
On 29 May, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Mike John wrote:
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> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who
> cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest
> we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we
> could clog this forum.
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> Mike
> Junebug, Queenmab
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> For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot makeBruce Hallman, California, USA
> it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we
> have built by his creation.
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> Mike John, Australia
> Junebug, Queenmab
Tortoise (x2), Kotick, Teal, Cartoon 5, Spur II, Yellow Leaf, Micro
Navigator, Topaz Spyder & a zillion models.
For those U.S. and International friends of Phil and Suzanne who cannot make it to any commemorative gatherings in the US, I suggest we list the boats we have built by his creation. Not all at once, we could clog this forum.
Mike
Junebug, Queenmab
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