Re: [bolger] Micro motor recommendations
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Richard Spelling wrote:
quite happy with it. I recently purchased a new prop for it, with less
pitch--what you should do for your Micro. It gives plenty more power at
the low end--a displacement hull's need. It snaps my boat around with
real authority. It's not quiet--4-strokes are quieter, yes, but tests
show that it's due to lower pitch more than lower volume. But I am
perfectly happy with how it's held up. It leaked a little oil once, but
the service guys could find nothing wrong, and there was no charge, and
it's worked like a top since.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
> >I bought a Nissan, because it's the only one with service nearby. I am
> > Am planning on a 3 to 5 HP 4 stroke and was wondering if anyone has any
> > recommendations or other comments. Also, what about long shaft vs
> > standard? I've heard great things about the Honda, but what about
> > Mariner, Mercury, and Nissan?
quite happy with it. I recently purchased a new prop for it, with less
pitch--what you should do for your Micro. It gives plenty more power at
the low end--a displacement hull's need. It snaps my boat around with
real authority. It's not quiet--4-strokes are quieter, yes, but tests
show that it's due to lower pitch more than lower volume. But I am
perfectly happy with how it's held up. It leaked a little oil once, but
the service guys could find nothing wrong, and there was no charge, and
it's worked like a top since.
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
I've considered, if I ever come into possession of a newish motor too big
to hide, painting a it tacky red and pasting lettering that says "YUGO" on
each side of the shroud. <g>
to hide, painting a it tacky red and pasting lettering that says "YUGO" on
each side of the shroud. <g>
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:51:37 EDT, Bill in MN wrote:
> Somewhere in Bolger's corpus of work he suggests painting an outboard's shell
> to match the boat's color: 1) for aesthetic reasons, and 2) as a theft
> deterrrent. I'm not quite sure how that fits into the "uglier the better"
> school of thought, or how it might be put to a test.
--
John <jkohnen@...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal.
If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle...
they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for
them by gasoline. <Teddy Teddy Roosevelt>
In a message dated 7/17/00 9:00:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
fraser.howell@...writes:
<< Around here the downside of new outboards is not being able to keep
them. I'll stick with the old ones, the uglier the better. >>
Somewhere in Bolger's corpus of work he suggests painting an outboard's shell
to match the boat's color: 1) for aesthetic reasons, and 2) as a theft
deterrrent. I'm not quite sure how that fits into the "uglier the better"
school of thought, or how it might be put to a test.
Bill in MN
fraser.howell@...writes:
<< Around here the downside of new outboards is not being able to keep
them. I'll stick with the old ones, the uglier the better. >>
Somewhere in Bolger's corpus of work he suggests painting an outboard's shell
to match the boat's color: 1) for aesthetic reasons, and 2) as a theft
deterrrent. I'm not quite sure how that fits into the "uglier the better"
school of thought, or how it might be put to a test.
Bill in MN
Around here the downside of new outboards is not being able to keep
them. I'll stick with the old ones, the uglier the better. Last year I
lost my 15 year old Evinrude, I replaced it with a 20 year old Merc.
It's screws are locked and the motor is chained onto the transom, but
someone still tried to get it off last month by cutting off the motor
mount. I think they must have got scared off, because there wasn't much
left to attach it to the boat.
The other downside is starting the older models. Sometimes I think that
I am the only moving part.
I'd like one of those smaller 4 stroke Hondas, even 8-year old girls can
start them.
Cheers;
Fraser Howell
them. I'll stick with the old ones, the uglier the better. Last year I
lost my 15 year old Evinrude, I replaced it with a 20 year old Merc.
It's screws are locked and the motor is chained onto the transom, but
someone still tried to get it off last month by cutting off the motor
mount. I think they must have got scared off, because there wasn't much
left to attach it to the boat.
The other downside is starting the older models. Sometimes I think that
I am the only moving part.
I'd like one of those smaller 4 stroke Hondas, even 8-year old girls can
start them.
Cheers;
Fraser Howell
I am 100% agreement with don't buy a used outboard. In addition
longevity seems to depend somewhat on the owner. Those that flush
regularly and put them away properly for the winter seem to have
them last longer. A big thing out in this part of the world is to
put a proper filter on your boat. You have two hoses one from the
tank to a proper Racor or similar filter and a hose from there to
the motor. The Yamaha dealer in Nome told me that 30-50% of all
problems revolve around bad gas.
Richard Spelling wrote:
_ _ _ _ _
% Harrywelshman@...
longevity seems to depend somewhat on the owner. Those that flush
regularly and put them away properly for the winter seem to have
them last longer. A big thing out in this part of the world is to
put a proper filter on your boat. You have two hoses one from the
tank to a proper Racor or similar filter and a hose from there to
the motor. The Yamaha dealer in Nome told me that 30-50% of all
problems revolve around bad gas.
Richard Spelling wrote:
>--
> DON'T BUY USED.
>
> Buy new, with a good warrently.
>
>
_ _ _ _ _
% Harrywelshman@...
In a message dated 07/17/2000 4:<BR06:<BR06 PM
Eastern Daylight ,bsartin@...writes:> Not exactly the same, but I have
a 31 year-old vehicle with 260,000 miles on
Depends on the user...I'm currently rebuilding the foot on a 45 year old
Johnson 5.5. I don't ever expect to rebuild the powerhead, as I know how to
run 'em and fix 'em. Others can't or aren't interested in such maintenance
and they are way better off to buy new and use them up every few years.
Personally, I'd rather see someone get those oldies who *does* want to keep
them up. That way we keep them around for the folks who appreciate them.
If I had that Brick, I'd try to find a 5 hp Mercury for it and run it
forever...in style!!! :-)
Cheers/Step
Eastern Daylight ,bsartin@...writes:> Not exactly the same, but I have
a 31 year-old vehicle with 260,000 miles on
> the odo. It has had three engine rebuilds, but otherwise is great. StillBlake,
> cheaper than a new one.
>
> Of course, it was a high-quality piece of machinery to start out with.
Depends on the user...I'm currently rebuilding the foot on a 45 year old
Johnson 5.5. I don't ever expect to rebuild the powerhead, as I know how to
run 'em and fix 'em. Others can't or aren't interested in such maintenance
and they are way better off to buy new and use them up every few years.
Personally, I'd rather see someone get those oldies who *does* want to keep
them up. That way we keep them around for the folks who appreciate them.
If I had that Brick, I'd try to find a 5 hp Mercury for it and run it
forever...in style!!! :-)
Cheers/Step
> >DON'T BUY USED.things
> >
> >Buy new, with a good warrently.
>
> ??
>
> I am troubled by this statement. As an old car buff, I know that old
> can be as good or better than a comparable new item, warranty or no. Ialso
> know more than a few people that are using decades-old Evinrude, Mercury,with
> and Seagull engines on such things a Jon Boats, ski boats and sailboats
> a minimum of troubles, especially when prices are compared to newermodels.
>I'm not knocking used products in general, but used two stoke engines in
particular.
Sure there are a lot of old outboards around, simply because the new ones
cost and arm and a couple of legs. I would bet though that your decades-old
engines have seen little service, or have been to the shop to be rebuilt
many times.
> Not exactly the same, but I have a 31 year-old vehicle with 260,000 mileson
> the odo. It has had three engine rebuilds, but otherwise is great. StillCertainly. A new 9hp outboard costs MORE than getting a new engine put in
> cheaper than a new one.
>
your 31 year-old vehicle. Say, 100k miles between rebuilds, 50mph, you are
talking 2000 hours of use. vs. 500 (if your lucky) of use for your outboard.
So, basicaly my point is that it's better to spend the money up front, and
get your 500 hours of so. Take care of the engine, and be able to depend on
it when you need it.
I suppose you could buy a used one (that a local shop will work on... NOT
and Eska) and have it rebuilt...
All of this from someone who has just today bought an electric motor for the
wifes fishing boat, and has one on his sailboat...using the theory that I've
never sailed so far it wouldn't get be back... e-motored saturday for about
5 miles, and only drained the bat about 25%...
As an asside, Minn Kota has some nice electric ouboards...
http://www.jwa.com/motors/minnkota/elc_pro.html
>I've wasted enough money trying to fix used Eska outboards that I certainly??
>have comments.
>
>DON'T BUY USED.
>
>Buy new, with a good warrently.
I am troubled by this statement. As an old car buff, I know that old things
can be as good or better than a comparable new item, warranty or no. I also
know more than a few people that are using decades-old Evinrude, Mercury,
and Seagull engines on such things a Jon Boats, ski boats and sailboats with
a minimum of troubles, especially when prices are compared to newer models.
Not exactly the same, but I have a 31 year-old vehicle with 260,000 miles on
the odo. It has had three engine rebuilds, but otherwise is great. Still
cheaper than a new one.
Of course, it was a high-quality piece of machinery to start out with.
Blake
Knoxville, TN
Bolger/Carnell Featherwind (in progress)
I've wasted enough money trying to fix used Eska outboards that I certainly
have comments.
DON'T BUY USED.
Buy new, with a good warrently.
Also, if you plan on using it at all, you will probably wear it out in a
couple of years. Don't know the longevity of the four stroke engines, but I
get the impression the 2-strokes are only good for a couple of hundred hours
before needing an overhaul....
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
have comments.
DON'T BUY USED.
Buy new, with a good warrently.
Also, if you plan on using it at all, you will probably wear it out in a
couple of years. Don't know the longevity of the four stroke engines, but I
get the impression the 2-strokes are only good for a couple of hundred hours
before needing an overhaul....
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: <glen_gibson@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: [bolger] Micro motor recommendations
>
>
> I'm beginning to think about a good motor for my under-construction Micro.
>
> Am planning on a 3 to 5 HP 4 stroke and was wondering if anyone has any
> recommendations or other comments. Also, what about long shaft vs
standard?
> I've heard great things about the Honda, but what about Mariner, Mercury,
and
> Nissan?
>
> Any help appreciated,
>
> Glen
>
>
>
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