Re: Digest Number 4456
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> Re: Info on AS 39
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> briggs monteith
> 2.1.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
> graeme19121984
> 2.2.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
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> 3a.
> Re: Digest Number 4454[1 Attachment]
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> Re: Micro Navigator - kell additions
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> Re: Info on AS 39
> Posted by: "briggs monteith"
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> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:41 pm (PDT)
> Hi Bob,
> My family and I are looking to build a cruising sailboat capable of going just about anywhere, up a river,across an ocean, across a sand flat, you know just about anywhere!
> We studied the AS 29 and it seemed like a great boat, but with three kids it just didn't seem realistic. I was wondering what the layout was, what kind of beast it is to sail with only one massive sail and just about anything I can find on the subject. Is this boat built bottom then top like the 29? How much lead is there? Any and all info would be most appreciated.
> -Briggs
>
> P.S. this is off topic sort of, we are also considering building a Jarcat 29 catamaran, but this is not Bolger design nor does it have any Bolger character or ingenuity.
> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... > wrote:
> From: loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... >
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Info on AS 39
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:19 AM
> I've sailed a few miles on the the boat and would be happy to answer any questions you might have...
> Bob
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> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> Posted by: "graeme19121984"
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:55 pm (PDT)
> Oh, how I wish I had photos...
> Long ago, early 90's, Chris Nye, built a MARTHA JANE. Then he crossed Bass Straight to Tassie from South Australia!! He later modified the boat, and has cruised it since (more or less as a live-aboard) . He must now be about 80yrs of age, and still is mentioned in passing in the occaisional boating magazine article. He cruises the south eastern coast, and along the Great Barrier Reef, and Top End.
> From memory of occaisional sailing alongside one weekend, the mods included: 1) a slight raising of topsides (not so sure on this), 2) flush decked stem to stern with central fully glassed and screened "cockpit" "house" that may have protruded just a little above deck height (memory!) 3) removing leeboards and fitting a salient keel (not sure of shape or length, but certainly very shoal as my Micro was tipped on her keel at low tide in one anchorage and Chris' boat was upright in just inches deeper water), 4) transom rudder (IIRC), 5) inboard diesel, 6) fore and aft cabin spaces, 7) a cemicircular construction off the stern like Slocum's Spray for the mizzen track 8) a ketch-like rather small Freedom-wishbone- type sail plan 9) all sail controls handled from within the "house" - Chris was seen only on deck to bag the lovely ruby coloured sails in the evenings, and for dawn Tai-Chi practice on the fordeck.
> This boat sailed like a dream.. To see her from ahead coming at you, quickly tacking upwind through the narrow channels of the sandy Gold Coast estuary as she settled into her heeled position, after coming about literally like a sports car, ruby sails against the unbearable glare of white summer cloud sandwiched between the azure blue of sky and water, was a vision splendid! Boy she went well into that chop - and barely a bow wave or any wake! Fantastic! - and clearly room enough aboard for an hard-core cruiser.
> I hope to see one day a detailed article on the modifications to that boat, it's apparently unlikely, but I hope. Anyway it gives an idea of what might be possible with a Long Micro conversion. A step down in overall size from a Jesse Cooper, for serious coastal/reef/ island cruising.
> BTW, as I recall from an incidental inclusion in an article about another boat that Chris much modified for his partner - he dropped the leeboards in favour of the shoal keel mainly to save hassles when bar crossing. In that lengthened large Hartley TS design he dropped the centreboard for similar reason, and I suppose for much improved cruising accommodations too.
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew,
>> I have never seen an Long Micro (LM) converted to a Navigator.
>> LM hangs its mast in a bow tabernacle. If you add a Navigator cabin it will interfere with the folded mast and the mast will not fold to a horizontal position. There are several solutions, but they'll all require some careful planning. Some of my pictures on Flickr might help you envision how you could alter the cabin on an LM and what that might do to the folded mast.
>> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 23898186@ N02/
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:59 pm (PDT)
> Oh yeah, Chris' boat was named "Virginia Slocum"...
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@ ...> wrote:
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> Re: Digest Number 4454[1 Attachment]
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:12 pm (PDT)
> Various lugs have been fitted to Micro. One group member fitted a balanced lug main to Wish II. Wish II is featured in the book "30-Odd Boats", it is of a similar size and shape to Long Micro, but with significant differences.
> A cross-over between features of Long Micro, Wish II, and Martha Jane might be a good bit along the way to a serious coastal cruising getaway lifestyle... and relatively cheaply done too!
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , Fred <derflingdol@ ....> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has anyone changed rigs on the long micro? Can it be done? I am partial to sprit-sails and gaf-rigs. And would like to use one of these. Also, what is this ~Navigator" modification? thanks in advance. Fred
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> Re: Micro Navigator - kell additions
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> Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:12 am (PDT)
> Dear Bill,
> I love the way you defend this boat. Like you I have been pondering about improving windward performance, but if I ignore the leeway issue she is a delight as when going to windward I can set her to be balanced so that I sail without tending the tiller. I love having guest on board and showing them that you can steering by pulling on the mizzen sheet. Those who normally sail Bermudan rigged boats find it rather scary that she does not work like they expect.
> I have also raced her - only finished twice, but when on a reach or a run she is remarkably quick. On a run with the junk rig she will over take much bigger boats.
> I am hoping to do a trip that will need the wind in a particular direction to make it, and it is this that encourages questions about improving the windward performance.
> BTW I notice that she points pretty much the same as most other boats, its just that she often does not sail the direction she is pointed in especially in a tide way!
> Martin
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I have a few questions: 1) Am I still a part of this group? 2) And when am I going to start getting the daily updates? FRED
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> Re: Info on AS 39
> From:
> briggs monteith
> 2.1.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
> graeme19121984
> 2.2.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
> graeme19121984
> 3a.
> Re: Digest Number 4454[1 Attachment]
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> Re: Micro Navigator - kell additions
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> Re: Info on AS 39
> Posted by: "briggs monteith"
> zogumwesterly@...
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> zogumwesterly
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:41 pm (PDT)
> Hi Bob,
> My family and I are looking to build a cruising sailboat capable of going just about anywhere, up a river,across an ocean, across a sand flat, you know just about anywhere!
> We studied the AS 29 and it seemed like a great boat, but with three kids it just didn't seem realistic. I was wondering what the layout was, what kind of beast it is to sail with only one massive sail and just about anything I can find on the subject. Is this boat built bottom then top like the 29? How much lead is there? Any and all info would be most appreciated.
> -Briggs
>
> P.S. this is off topic sort of, we are also considering building a Jarcat 29 catamaran, but this is not Bolger design nor does it have any Bolger character or ingenuity.
> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... > wrote:
> From: loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... >
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Info on AS 39
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:19 AM
> I've sailed a few miles on the the boat and would be happy to answer any questions you might have...
> Bob
> http://boatbits. blogspot. com/
> http://fishingunder sail.blogspot. com/
> http://islandgourma nd.blogspot. com/
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> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> Posted by: "graeme19121984"
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:55 pm (PDT)
> Oh, how I wish I had photos...
> Long ago, early 90's, Chris Nye, built a MARTHA JANE. Then he crossed Bass Straight to Tassie from South Australia!! He later modified the boat, and has cruised it since (more or less as a live-aboard) . He must now be about 80yrs of age, and still is mentioned in passing in the occaisional boating magazine article. He cruises the south eastern coast, and along the Great Barrier Reef, and Top End.
> From memory of occaisional sailing alongside one weekend, the mods included: 1) a slight raising of topsides (not so sure on this), 2) flush decked stem to stern with central fully glassed and screened "cockpit" "house" that may have protruded just a little above deck height (memory!) 3) removing leeboards and fitting a salient keel (not sure of shape or length, but certainly very shoal as my Micro was tipped on her keel at low tide in one anchorage and Chris' boat was upright in just inches deeper water), 4) transom rudder (IIRC), 5) inboard diesel, 6) fore and aft cabin spaces, 7) a cemicircular construction off the stern like Slocum's Spray for the mizzen track 8) a ketch-like rather small Freedom-wishbone- type sail plan 9) all sail controls handled from within the "house" - Chris was seen only on deck to bag the lovely ruby coloured sails in the evenings, and for dawn Tai-Chi practice on the fordeck.
> This boat sailed like a dream. To see her from ahead coming at you, quickly tacking upwind through the narrow channels of the sandy Gold Coast estuary as she settled into her heeled position, after coming about literally like a sports car, ruby sails against the unbearable glare of white summer cloud sandwiched between the azure blue of sky and water, was a vision splendid! Boy she went well into that chop - and barely a bow wave or any wake! Fantastic! - and clearly room enough aboard for an hard-core cruiser.
> I hope to see one day a detailed article on the modifications to that boat, it's apparently unlikely, but I hope. Anyway it gives an idea of what might be possible with a Long Micro conversion. A step down in overall size from a Jesse Cooper, for serious coastal/reef/ island cruising.
> BTW, as I recall from an incidental inclusion in an article about another boat that Chris much modified for his partner - he dropped the leeboards in favour of the shoal keel mainly to save hassles when bar crossing. In that lengthened large Hartley TS design he dropped the centreboard for similar reason, and I suppose for much improved cruising accommodations too.
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew,
>> I have never seen an Long Micro (LM) converted to a Navigator.
>> LM hangs its mast in a bow tabernacle. If you add a Navigator cabin it will interfere with the folded mast and the mast will not fold to a horizontal position. There are several solutions, but they'll all require some careful planning. Some of my pictures on Flickr might help you envision how you could alter the cabin on an LM and what that might do to the folded mast.
>> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 23898186@ N02/
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:59 pm (PDT)
> Oh yeah, Chris' boat was named "Virginia Slocum"...
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@ ...> wrote:
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> Re: Digest Number 4454[1 Attachment]
> Posted by: "graeme19121984"
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:12 pm (PDT)
> Various lugs have been fitted to Micro. One group member fitted a balanced lug main to Wish II. Wish II is featured in the book "30-Odd Boats", it is of a similar size and shape to Long Micro, but with significant differences.
> A cross-over between features of Long Micro, Wish II, and Martha Jane might be a good bit along the way to a serious coastal cruising getaway lifestyle... and relatively cheaply done too!
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , Fred <derflingdol@ ...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Has anyone changed rigs on the long micro? Can it be done? I am partial to sprit-sails and gaf-rigs. And would like to use one of these. Also, what is this ~Navigator" modification? thanks in advance. Fred
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> mmer@...
> Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:12 am (PDT)
> Dear Bill,
> I love the way you defend this boat. Like you I have been pondering about improving windward performance, but if I ignore the leeway issue she is a delight as when going to windward I can set her to be balanced so that I sail without tending the tiller. I love having guest on board and showing them that you can steering by pulling on the mizzen sheet. Those who normally sail Bermudan rigged boats find it rather scary that she does not work like they expect.
> I have also raced her - only finished twice, but when on a reach or a run she is remarkably quick. On a run with the junk rig she will over take much bigger boats.
> I am hoping to do a trip that will need the wind in a particular direction to make it, and it is this that encourages questions about improving the windward performance.
> BTW I notice that she points pretty much the same as most other boats, its just that she often does not sail the direction she is pointed in especially in a tide way!
> Martin
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> Re: Info on AS 39
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> 2.1.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
> graeme19121984
> 2.2.
> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> From:
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> Re: Digest Number 4454[1 Attachment]
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> Re: Info on AS 39
> Posted by: "briggs monteith"
> zogumwesterly@...
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> zogumwesterly
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:41 pm (PDT)
> Hi Bob,
> My family and I are looking to build a cruising sailboat capable of going just about anywhere, up a river,across an ocean, across a sand flat, you know just about anywhere!
> We studied the AS 29 and it seemed like a great boat, but with three kids it just didn't seem realistic. I was wondering what the layout was, what kind of beast it is to sail with only one massive sail and just about anything I can find on the subject. Is this boat built bottom then top like the 29? How much lead is there? Any and all info would be most appreciated.
> -Briggs
>
> P.S. this is off topic sort of, we are also considering building a Jarcat 29 catamaran, but this is not Bolger design nor does it have any Bolger character or ingenuity.
> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... > wrote:
> From: loosemoosefilmworks < loosemoosefilmworks @... >
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Info on AS 39
> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:19 AM
> I've sailed a few miles on the the boat and would be happy to answer any questions you might have...
> Bob
> http://boatbits. blogspot. com/
> http://fishingunder sail.blogspot. com/
> http://islandgourma nd.blogspot. com/
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> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
> Posted by: "graeme19121984"
> graeme19121984@...
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:55 pm (PDT)
> Oh, how I wish I had photos...
> Long ago, early 90's, Chris Nye, built a MARTHA JANE. Then he crossed Bass Straight to Tassie from South Australia!! He later modified the boat, and has cruised it since (more or less as a live-aboard) . He must now be about 80yrs of age, and still is mentioned in passing in the occaisional boating magazine article. He cruises the south eastern coast, and along the Great Barrier Reef, and Top End.
> From memory of occaisional sailing alongside one weekend, the mods included: 1) a slight raising of topsides (not so sure on this), 2) flush decked stem to stern with central fully glassed and screened "cockpit" "house" that may have protruded just a little above deck height (memory!) 3) removing leeboards and fitting a salient keel (not sure of shape or length, but certainly very shoal as my Micro was tipped on her keel at low tide in one anchorage and Chris' boat was upright in just inches deeper water), 4) transom rudder (IIRC), 5) inboard diesel, 6) fore and aft cabin spaces, 7) a cemicircular construction off the stern like Slocum's Spray for the mizzen track 8) a ketch-like rather small Freedom-wishbone- type sail plan 9) all sail controls handled from within the "house" - Chris was seen only on deck to bag the lovely ruby coloured sails in the evenings, and for dawn Tai-Chi practice on the fordeck.
> This boat sailed like a dream. To see her from ahead coming at you, quickly tacking upwind through the narrow channels of the sandy Gold Coast estuary as she settled into her heeled position, after coming about literally like a sports car, ruby sails against the unbearable glare of white summer cloud sandwiched between the azure blue of sky and water, was a vision splendid! Boy she went well into that chop - and barely a bow wave or any wake! Fantastic! - and clearly room enough aboard for an hard-core cruiser..
> I hope to see one day a detailed article on the modifications to that boat, it's apparently unlikely, but I hope. Anyway it gives an idea of what might be possible with a Long Micro conversion. A step down in overall size from a Jesse Cooper, for serious coastal/reef/ island cruising.
> BTW, as I recall from an incidental inclusion in an article about another boat that Chris much modified for his partner - he dropped the leeboards in favour of the shoal keel mainly to save hassles when bar crossing. In that lengthened large Hartley TS design he dropped the centreboard for similar reason, and I suppose for much improved cruising accommodations too.
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
>>
>> Andrew,
>> I have never seen an Long Micro (LM) converted to a Navigator.
>> LM hangs its mast in a bow tabernacle. If you add a Navigator cabin it will interfere with the folded mast and the mast will not fold to a horizontal position. There are several solutions, but they'll all require some careful planning. Some of my pictures on Flickr might help you envision how you could alter the cabin on an LM and what that might do to the folded mast.
>> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 23898186@ N02/
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> graeme19121984
> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:59 pm (PDT)
> Oh yeah, Chris' boat was named "Virginia Slocum"...
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@ ...> wrote:
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> Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:12 pm (PDT)
> Various lugs have been fitted to Micro. One group member fitted a balanced lug main to Wish II. Wish II is featured in the book "30-Odd Boats", it is of a similar size and shape to Long Micro, but with significant differences.
> A cross-over between features of Long Micro, Wish II, and Martha Jane might be a good bit along the way to a serious coastal cruising getaway lifestyle... and relatively cheaply done too!
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , Fred <derflingdol@ ...> wrote:
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>> Has anyone changed rigs on the long micro? Can it be done? I am partial to sprit-sails and gaf-rigs. And would like to use one of these. Also, what is this ~Navigator" modification? thanks in advance. Fred
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> Dear Bill,
> I love the way you defend this boat.. Like you I have been pondering about improving windward performance, but if I ignore the leeway issue she is a delight as when going to windward I can set her to be balanced so that I sail without tending the tiller. I love having guest on board and showing them that you can steering by pulling on the mizzen sheet. Those who normally sail Bermudan rigged boats find it rather scary that she does not work like they expect.
> I have also raced her - only finished twice, but when on a reach or a run she is remarkably quick. On a run with the junk rig she will over take much bigger boats..
> I am hoping to do a trip that will need the wind in a particular direction to make it, and it is this that encourages questions about improving the windward performance.
> BTW I notice that she points pretty much the same as most other boats, its just that she often does not sail the direction she is pointed in especially in a tide way!
> Martin
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What about a gaff rig or a sprit sail on LM?
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> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:41 pm (PDT)
> Hi Bob,
> My family and I are looking to build a cruising sailboat capable of going just about anywhere, up a river,across an ocean, across a sand flat, you know just about anywhere!
> We studied the AS 29 and it seemed like a great boat, but with three kids it just didn't seem realistic. I was wondering what the layout was, what kind of beast it is to sail with only one massive sail and just about anything I can find on the subject. Is this boat built bottom then top like the 29? How much lead is there? Any and all info would be most appreciated.
> -Briggs
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> P.S. this is off topic sort of, we are also considering building a Jarcat 29 catamaran, but this is not Bolger design nor does it have any Bolger character or ingenuity.
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> Subject: [bolger] Re: Info on AS 39
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> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 9:19 AM
> I've sailed a few miles on the the boat and would be happy to answer any questions you might have...
> Bob
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> Martha Jane Nav (Re: Micro Navigator)
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> Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:55 pm (PDT)
> Oh, how I wish I had photos...
> Long ago, early 90's, Chris Nye, built a MARTHA JANE. Then he crossed Bass Straight to Tassie from South Australia!! He later modified the boat, and has cruised it since (more or less as a live-aboard) . He must now be about 80yrs of age, and still is mentioned in passing in the occaisional boating magazine article. He cruises the south eastern coast, and along the Great Barrier Reef, and Top End.
> From memory of occaisional sailing alongside one weekend, the mods included: 1) a slight raising of topsides (not so sure on this), 2) flush decked stem to stern with central fully glassed and screened "cockpit" "house" that may have protruded just a little above deck height (memory!) 3) removing leeboards and fitting a salient keel (not sure of shape or length, but certainly very shoal as my Micro was tipped on her keel at low tide in one anchorage and Chris' boat was upright in just inches deeper water), 4) transom rudder (IIRC), 5) inboard diesel, 6) fore and aft cabin spaces, 7) a cemicircular construction off the stern like Slocum's Spray for the mizzen track 8) a ketch-like rather small Freedom-wishbone- type sail plan 9) all sail controls handled from within the "house" - Chris was seen only on deck to bag the lovely ruby coloured sails in the evenings, and for dawn Tai-Chi practice on the fordeck.
> This boat sailed like a dream. To see her from ahead coming at you, quickly tacking upwind through the narrow channels of the sandy Gold Coast estuary as she settled into her heeled position, after coming about literally like a sports car, ruby sails against the unbearable glare of white summer cloud sandwiched between the azure blue of sky and water, was a vision splendid! Boy she went well into that chop - and barely a bow wave or any wake! Fantastic! - and clearly room enough aboard for an hard-core cruiser.
> I hope to see one day a detailed article on the modifications to that boat, it's apparently unlikely, but I hope. Anyway it gives an idea of what might be possible with a Long Micro conversion. A step down in overall size from a Jesse Cooper, for serious coastal/reef/ island cruising.
> BTW, as I recall from an incidental inclusion in an article about another boat that Chris much modified for his partner - he dropped the leeboards in favour of the shoal keel mainly to save hassles when bar crossing. In that lengthened large Hartley TS design he dropped the centreboard for similar reason, and I suppose for much improved cruising accommodations too.
> Graeme
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "Bill" <kingw@...> wrote:
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>> Andrew,
>> I have never seen an Long Micro (LM) converted to a Navigator.
>> LM hangs its mast in a bow tabernacle. If you add a Navigator cabin it will interfere with the folded mast and the mast will not fold to a horizontal position. There are several solutions, but they'll all require some careful planning. Some of my pictures on Flickr might help you envision how you could alter the cabin on an LM and what that might do to the folded mast.
>> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 23898186@ N02/
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> Oh yeah, Chris' boat was named "Virginia Slocum"...
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@ ...> wrote:
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> Various lugs have been fitted to Micro. One group member fitted a balanced lug main to Wish II. Wish II is featured in the book "30-Odd Boats", it is of a similar size and shape to Long Micro, but with significant differences.
> A cross-over between features of Long Micro, Wish II, and Martha Jane might be a good bit along the way to a serious coastal cruising getaway lifestyle... and relatively cheaply done too!
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> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com , Fred <derflingdol@ ...> wrote:
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>> Has anyone changed rigs on the long micro? Can it be done? I am partial to sprit-sails and gaf-rigs. And would like to use one of these. Also, what is this ~Navigator" modification? thanks in advance. Fred
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> Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:12 am (PDT)
> Dear Bill,
> I love the way you defend this boat. Like you I have been pondering about improving windward performance, but if I ignore the leeway issue she is a delight as when going to windward I can set her to be balanced so that I sail without tending the tiller. I love having guest on board and showing them that you can steering by pulling on the mizzen sheet. Those who normally sail Bermudan rigged boats find it rather scary that she does not work like they expect.
> I have also raced her - only finished twice, but when on a reach or a run she is remarkably quick. On a run with the junk rig she will over take much bigger boats.
> I am hoping to do a trip that will need the wind in a particular direction to make it, and it is this that encourages questions about improving the windward performance.
> BTW I notice that she points pretty much the same as most other boats, its just that she often does not sail the direction she is pointed in especially in a tide way!
> Martin
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