Re: [bolger] Re: Planning for Bolger Memorial Event
I hope the postings on the Event do help re
lodging. Look forward ro meeting you. Susanne
----- Original Message -----From:PaulSent:Monday, July 20, 2009 9:09 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: Planning for Bolger Memorial EventI'm thinking about coming up for the occasion. My superbrick will not be finished by then but I will bring either my tortoise or brick dinghy. I'm planning on bringing my camper, are there campgrounds close by?
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, "Susanne@... " <philbolger@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hello all out there.
> I appreciate you leaving me to recover some sense of balance in this much altered life.
> Judging by certain pieces unanswered mail I am not there yet, but getting along gradually on a broadening front.
>
> I gather that some thoughts have been spent on my initial reaction to losing Phil in which I suggested a gathering of folks and boats in his memory 'late summer'. Someone implied that folks are 'self-organizing' in some ways. I am in the process of settling a number of issues regarding locations and any necessary arrangements with local authorities for this one event.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Could folks familiar to PB&F offer a sense if and how many folks are considering coming to Gloucester in September either 2nd or 3rd weekend (still figuring...) . I'd be happy to talk/meet with MA folks. Or some folks much farther away who know very well that I know them.
>
> 2. Is there a sense how many boats and which designs might come ?
>
> 3. If folks come with boats, particular logistics may be an issue. Cruisers/beach- cruisers/ 'hardy souls' are typically more or less 'autonomous' , assuming reasonable anchorage/berthing for a night is within reach. I'll figure which spots around here might serve to cluster in.
>
> Obviously Google Earth at whatever tidal stage is close enough to see the channels along the Annisquam and inshore water to the north and south in which Phil grew up in boats.
> Check Gloucester tides at www.boatma/tides. These particular September tides will be mild at between 8.6' and 10.3'.
>
> This will have to do it for the moment. I appreciate your patience with me. His absence remains unthinkable (no words really work). While I've always known that I would have to respect his final decision, I sure would try to convince him again to stick around some longer... Susanne Altenburger
>
> Direct E-mail: philbolger@. ..
>
I'm thinking about coming up for the occasion. My superbrick will not be finished by then but I will bring either my tortoise or brick dinghy. I'm planning on bringing my camper, are there campgrounds close by?
Paul H.
Paul H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all out there.
> I appreciate you leaving me to recover some sense of balance in this much altered life.
> Judging by certain pieces unanswered mail I am not there yet, but getting along gradually on a broadening front.
>
> I gather that some thoughts have been spent on my initial reaction to losing Phil in which I suggested a gathering of folks and boats in his memory 'late summer'. Someone implied that folks are 'self-organizing' in some ways. I am in the process of settling a number of issues regarding locations and any necessary arrangements with local authorities for this one event.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Could folks familiar to PB&F offer a sense if and how many folks are considering coming to Gloucester in September either 2nd or 3rd weekend (still figuring...). I'd be happy to talk/meet with MA folks. Or some folks much farther away who know very well that I know them.
>
> 2. Is there a sense how many boats and which designs might come ?
>
> 3. If folks come with boats, particular logistics may be an issue. Cruisers/beach-cruisers/'hardy souls' are typically more or less 'autonomous', assuming reasonable anchorage/berthing for a night is within reach. I'll figure which spots around here might serve to cluster in.
>
> Obviously Google Earth at whatever tidal stage is close enough to see the channels along the Annisquam and inshore water to the north and south in which Phil grew up in boats.
> Check Gloucester tides at www.boatma/tides. These particular September tides will be mild at between 8.6' and 10.3'.
>
> This will have to do it for the moment. I appreciate your patience with me. His absence remains unthinkable (no words really work). While I've always known that I would have to respect his final decision, I sure would try to convince him again to stick around some longer... Susanne Altenburger
>
> Direct E-mail: philbolger@...
>
Hi Susanne,
Still very painful to read about your lose and I can hardly imagine a time when you (and perhaps many of us here) will ever really get over it.
Windermere won't be ready for a cruise "down South" this September,unfortunately. I'll be thinking about about you and the other fortunate souls who will attend this fine memorial and raise a heart felt toast in His honour.
Take care of yourself and warmest regards!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
Still very painful to read about your lose and I can hardly imagine a time when you (and perhaps many of us here) will ever really get over it.
Windermere won't be ready for a cruise "down South" this September,unfortunately. I'll be thinking about about you and the other fortunate souls who will attend this fine memorial and raise a heart felt toast in His honour.
Take care of yourself and warmest regards!
Sincerely,
Peter Lenihan
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all out there.
> I appreciate you leaving me to recover some sense of balance in this much altered life.
> Judging by certain pieces unanswered mail I am not there yet, but getting along gradually on a broadening front.
>
> I gather that some thoughts have been spent on my initial reaction to losing Phil in which I suggested a gathering of folks and boats in his memory 'late summer'. Someone implied that folks are 'self-organizing' in some ways. I am in the process of settling a number of issues regarding locations and any necessary arrangements with local authorities for this one event.
>
> Questions:
> 1. Could folks familiar to PB&F offer a sense if and how many folks are considering coming to Gloucester in September either 2nd or 3rd weekend (still figuring...). I'd be happy to talk/meet with MA folks. Or some folks much farther away who know very well that I know them.
>
> 2. Is there a sense how many boats and which designs might come ?
>
> 3. If folks come with boats, particular logistics may be an issue. Cruisers/beach-cruisers/'hardy souls' are typically more or less 'autonomous', assuming reasonable anchorage/berthing for a night is within reach. I'll figure which spots around here might serve to cluster in.
>
> Obviously Google Earth at whatever tidal stage is close enough to see the channels along the Annisquam and inshore water to the north and south in which Phil grew up in boats.
> Check Gloucester tides at www.boatma/tides. These particular September tides will be mild at between 8.6' and 10.3'.
>
> This will have to do it for the moment. I appreciate your patience with me. His absence remains unthinkable (no words really work). While I've always known that I would have to respect his final decision, I sure would try to convince him again to stick around some longer... Susanne Altenburger
>
> Direct E-mail: philbolger@...
>
Hello all out there.
I appreciate you leaving me to recover some sense of balance in this much altered life.
Judging by certain pieces unanswered mail I am not there yet, but getting along gradually on a broadening front.
I gather that some thoughts have been spent on my initial reaction to losing Phil in which I suggested a gathering of folks and boats in his memory 'late summer'. Someone implied that folks are 'self-organizing' in some ways. I am in the process of settling a number of issues regarding locations and any necessary arrangements with local authorities for this one event.
Questions:
1. Could folks familiar to PB&F offer a sense if and how many folks are considering coming to Gloucester in September either 2nd or 3rd weekend (still figuring...). I'd be happy to talk/meet with MA folks. Or some folks much farther away who know very well that I know them.
2. Is there a sense how many boats and which designs might come ?
3. If folks come with boats, particular logistics may be an issue. Cruisers/beach-cruisers/'hardy souls' are typically more or less 'autonomous', assuming reasonable anchorage/berthing for a night is within reach. I'll figure which spots around here might serve to cluster in.
Obviously Google Earth at whatever tidal stage is close enough to see the channels along the Annisquam and inshore water to the north and south in which Phil grew up in boats.
Check Gloucester tides atwww.boatma/tides. These particular September tides will be mild at between 8.6' and 10.3'.
This will have to do it for the moment. I appreciate your patience with me. His absence remains unthinkable (no words really work). While I've always known that I would have to respect his final decision, I sure would try to convince him again to stick around some longer... Susanne Altenburger
Direct E-mail:philbolger@...
I appreciate you leaving me to recover some sense of balance in this much altered life.
Judging by certain pieces unanswered mail I am not there yet, but getting along gradually on a broadening front.
I gather that some thoughts have been spent on my initial reaction to losing Phil in which I suggested a gathering of folks and boats in his memory 'late summer'. Someone implied that folks are 'self-organizing' in some ways. I am in the process of settling a number of issues regarding locations and any necessary arrangements with local authorities for this one event.
Questions:
1. Could folks familiar to PB&F offer a sense if and how many folks are considering coming to Gloucester in September either 2nd or 3rd weekend (still figuring...). I'd be happy to talk/meet with MA folks. Or some folks much farther away who know very well that I know them.
2. Is there a sense how many boats and which designs might come ?
3. If folks come with boats, particular logistics may be an issue. Cruisers/beach-cruisers/'hardy souls' are typically more or less 'autonomous', assuming reasonable anchorage/berthing for a night is within reach. I'll figure which spots around here might serve to cluster in.
Obviously Google Earth at whatever tidal stage is close enough to see the channels along the Annisquam and inshore water to the north and south in which Phil grew up in boats.
Check Gloucester tides atwww.boatma/tides. These particular September tides will be mild at between 8.6' and 10.3'.
This will have to do it for the moment. I appreciate your patience with me. His absence remains unthinkable (no words really work). While I've always known that I would have to respect his final decision, I sure would try to convince him again to stick around some longer... Susanne Altenburger
Direct E-mail:philbolger@...
The end of the story is that it did finally reach an acceptable cure so I could sand it smooth and apply a coat of primer. If it does not rain this week, we could be looking at a boat turning party next weekend or by August 1st.
Fortunately, I am just filling in the weave at this point.
Fortunately, I am just filling in the weave at this point.
I realy don't know how that would help with epoxy that works fine with air contact. With polyester it may work inplace of the wax.
Jon
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
>
> I have used that Bulls Eye B-I-N 123 primer to cap off some gummy
> epoxy, and it worked.
>http://www.zinsser.com/International/Canada/Fren_Eng-123DT.jpg
>
> Also, once when I was laminating some plywood and got a gummy messup
> between the layers I just put in a bunch of nails to increase the
> strength of the laminate for the lost adhesion.
>
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:56 PM,
proaconstrictor<proaconstrictor@...> wrote:
epoxy, and it worked.
http://www.zinsser.com/International/Canada/Fren_Eng-123DT.jpg
Also, once when I was laminating some plywood and got a gummy messup
between the layers I just put in a bunch of nails to increase the
strength of the laminate for the lost adhesion.
proaconstrictor<proaconstrictor@...> wrote:
>I have used that Bulls Eye B-I-N 123 primer to cap off some gummy
>
> There is a good chance your epoxy was not properly mixed, if you got good
> results in part of the batch and not elsewhere. You may have also had ratio
> problems, but you can have ratio problems just from mixing. Depending on the
> scenario, one option is to overcoat it with some regular epoxy, It will bond
> to and cap off the rubbery stuff, and if the rubbery stuff eventually
> hardens a little, all the better. Of course if you are looking at structural
> failure this isn't acceptible, but it might bail you out in certain coating
> situations.
epoxy, and it worked.
http://www.zinsser.com/International/Canada/Fren_Eng-123DT.jpg
Also, once when I was laminating some plywood and got a gummy messup
between the layers I just put in a bunch of nails to increase the
strength of the laminate for the lost adhesion.
There is a good chance your epoxy was not properly mixed, if you got good results in part of the batch and not elsewhere. You may have also had ratio problems, but you can have ratio problems just from mixing. Depending on the scenario, one option is to overcoat it with some regular epoxy, It will bond to and cap off the rubbery stuff, and if the rubbery stuff eventually hardens a little, all the better. Of course if you are looking at structural failure this isn't acceptible, but it might bail you out in certain coating situations.
I had a similar problem once, I split a batch without mixing it properly. One half seemed fine but the other half was soft. It wasn't a structural job like a fillet so I left it and it eventually hardened. It has been fine now for over 10 years. I would suggest you give it a week or two before trying to remove it, use a heater if the weather isn't warm.
I understand that either component in the 2:1 mixes can vary as much as 10% by volume without problems, but I've no idea how much my mix was out.
Jamie Orr
I understand that either component in the 2:1 mixes can vary as much as 10% by volume without problems, but I've no idea how much my mix was out.
Jamie Orr
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@...> wrote:
>
> I must have mixed up a batch of System 3 incorrectly. 2:1 eyeballed...
>
> Now I have a soft gummy mix that is ever so slowly starting to set off 48 hours later and still slightly gummy (I can sand, but not smooth). Has anyone else done this, and should I get out the scraper? Funny thing is that it was on the bottom, the sides came out perfect with the squeegee.
>
> David Jost
>
I think,thinkmind you, that the epoxy
with less than the proper fraction of hardener will slowly harden. Better to
have less hardener than more. Ithink.I had some MAS that didn't cure,
and talked to the company, and the report was, it'll eventually cure if the
ratio was low on hardener. In my case I had apparently mixed 2 resin to 1 resin.
Couple other things. I learned from experience also
that you do not want to heat your shop with an unvented kerosene heater when
coating anything with epoxy. That won't cure either. Kern Hendricks explained to
me why, chemically.
And a last small observation: I have found for most
uses the old System Three syringes, which stick in a hole in the cap of the jug
and which you turn upside down and draw in a clearly visible measured amount of
epoxy or resin, then squirt into your mixing cup, were the handiest. Preferable
to pumps, or to anything but a gear pump. They have discontinued them, but I
recently bought a last two sets that were on the shelves somewhere. You can do
as much as 60 ml/30ml, or roughly 2 oz/ 1oz at a time, or as little as
5/2.5ml.
Mason
WEST with the pumps was hard to mess up as well. I will probably be going back to WEST, or Noah's equivalent EAST.
dnjost
dnjost
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM, dnjost<davidjost@...> wrote:
instead of 2:1. I don't have good advice of how to fix it, and am
curious to hear what other people have to say. (And, since I have
switched to 1:1 epoxy, less easy to mess it up.)
>I has happened to me too. I think it happened because I mixed 1:2
>
> I must have mixed up a batch of System 3 incorrectly. 2:1 eyeballed...
>
> Now I have a soft gummy mix that is ever so slowly starting to set off 48
> hours later and still slightly gummy (I can sand, but not smooth). Has
> anyone else done this, and should I get out the scraper? Funny thing is that
> it was on the bottom, the sides came out perfect with the squeegee.
>
> David Jost
instead of 2:1. I don't have good advice of how to fix it, and am
curious to hear what other people have to say. (And, since I have
switched to 1:1 epoxy, less easy to mess it up.)
I must have mixed up a batch of System 3 incorrectly. 2:1 eyeballed...
Now I have a soft gummy mix that is ever so slowly starting to set off 48 hours later and still slightly gummy (I can sand, but not smooth). Has anyone else done this, and should I get out the scraper? Funny thing is that it was on the bottom, the sides came out perfect with the squeegee.
David Jost
Now I have a soft gummy mix that is ever so slowly starting to set off 48 hours later and still slightly gummy (I can sand, but not smooth). Has anyone else done this, and should I get out the scraper? Funny thing is that it was on the bottom, the sides came out perfect with the squeegee.
David Jost