Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
I pulled out the current Boatbuilder and the add is still in there. I missed it in an
earlier look. I will send off tomorrow and report in later.
Glen L has a sliding seat kit and I think there was an article on one in boatbuilder
or woodenboat within the last 4 years or so.
HJ
Jim Goeckermann wrote:
earlier look. I will send off tomorrow and report in later.
Glen L has a sliding seat kit and I think there was an article on one in boatbuilder
or woodenboat within the last 4 years or so.
HJ
Jim Goeckermann wrote:
> Well, you tickled my curiousity. I may well have overlooked him, but I saw no ads
> in a quick scan of Wooden Boat or Messing About in Boats, but I do have an ad in
> the January/Februalry 1999 issue of Boatbuilder. I am not getting this mag
> currently, so don't know if he still advertises.
> His ad starts out with Cheap Power today.
> $10.95
> PO Box 32172-B
> Charleston, SC 29417
> As far as my thoughts on his manual - I remember that I had hoped that there would
> be more to it, but I don't know where I put it, and Dang if this half a century
> old memory doesn't drop a file into the recycle bin every now and then!
> By the way, any details on an easy-to-make sliding seat would also be welcome
> hereabouts.
> Jim
years ago in Louisiana I saw a pirogue with the lower end of an old
outboard bolted to the hull so the shaft stuck up through the
bottom. A pulley was mounted on the shaft with a belt going to a
pulley mounted on the vertical shaft of an old lawnmower engine near
the middle of the boat. no reverse, but it worked!
outboard bolted to the hull so the shaft stuck up through the
bottom. A pulley was mounted on the shaft with a belt going to a
pulley mounted on the vertical shaft of an old lawnmower engine near
the middle of the boat. no reverse, but it worked!
No, they do not.
James
James
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Spelling" <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
> Do you know if they have a web page?
>
> Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Fuller" <jamar@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > There is a company, Small Engine Distributors, 1701 liberty St., Kansas
> City
> > Mo., 64102, That sells small engines at very good prices. For example,
a
> > new Tecumseh
> > 3-1/2 hp horizontal shaft is $59.95. B&S 4 hp vertical shaft 4 hp is
> > $69.95. B&S 9 hp
> > horizontal shaft $109.95. You have to furnish a tax number to buy from
> > them, But if you
> > don't have one you can probably find a friend who does.
> >
> > Also, you might look on Glen-L's site at the plans he sells for
converting
> > an old lower
> > end from a small OB to use electric motors. You could just as easily
use
> a
> > small Vertical shaft gas engine on it I would think. It shouldn't be
too
> > hard to find a useable
> > lower end from a blown OB.
> >
> > They also sell things like a transmission gear box with three speeds
> forward
> > and one
> > reverse for $49.95.
> >
> > Someone out there could probably put together a pretty good inboard with
> all
> > the parts
> > available from them.
> >
> > James Fuller
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jkohnen@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
> >
> >
> > > Dick-
> > >
> > > You can't buy a new lawnmower engine separately as cheaply as you can
> get
> > > one with the lawnmower attached! Buy one of the "big wheel" mowers and
> you
> > > can use the back wheels to make a boat dolly. <g>
> > >
> > > I've thought quite a bit about how to easily use a vertical shaft
> > lawnmower
> > > engine in a boat, but I never would have thought of this guy's
solution:
> > >
> > >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/00/BoatFest-1.html
> > >
> > > And this fellow has ben very happy running his boat with an ancient
> > > 1.5 hp horizontal shaft engine. He says he rarely runs the engine much
> > over
> > > idle:
> > >
> > >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/98/BoatFest-1.html
> > >
> > >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/99/BoatFest-3.html
> > >
> > > The main objections to lawnmower engines in boats are noise and
> vibration.
> > > The old cast iron engines are quieter and smoother, but I have to
admit
> > > that the new Briggs & Stratton engines are pretty darn good (at least
> for
> > > mowing my lawn). They've got electronic ignitions and real
carburettors
> > and
> > > starte easily and run pretty smooth. A BIG muffler and an insulated
> engine
> > > box would probably help the noise problem, and soft mounts would tame
at
> > > least some of the vibration. In a hull like the skiffs in the pictures
> > > above you wouldn't be running the engine full speed much anyway. One
of
> > > these days...
> > >
> > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:23:18 -0000, Dick wrote:
> > > > Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> > > > them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> > > > reliable, bolted-down alternative? Sure they'd need to be designed
> > > > in (on the transom?, midship?) with a shaft and transmission. There
> > > > must be reasons why this is not done but I'm not familiar with the
> > > > rationalizations. Can anyone explain why US$125 (my 5 hp. mower
cost
> > > > about $170 and has wheels too)for a new lawn mower engine isn't
> > > > better than US$1000 for a new o/b? Don't they like waves? Isn't
the
> > > > air as cooling over the water as over the lawn? If the grass
catcher
> > > > offends commodores, couldn't it be left off?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > John <jkohnen@...>
> > >http://www.boat-links.com/
> > > "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> > > "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the
> truth.
> > > <Alfred North Whitehead>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Do you know if they have a web page?
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Fuller" <jamar@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
>
> Hi,
>
> There is a company, Small Engine Distributors, 1701 liberty St., Kansas
City
> Mo., 64102, That sells small engines at very good prices. For example, a
> new Tecumseh
> 3-1/2 hp horizontal shaft is $59.95. B&S 4 hp vertical shaft 4 hp is
> $69.95. B&S 9 hp
> horizontal shaft $109.95. You have to furnish a tax number to buy from
> them, But if you
> don't have one you can probably find a friend who does.
>
> Also, you might look on Glen-L's site at the plans he sells for converting
> an old lower
> end from a small OB to use electric motors. You could just as easily use
a
> small Vertical shaft gas engine on it I would think. It shouldn't be too
> hard to find a useable
> lower end from a blown OB.
>
> They also sell things like a transmission gear box with three speeds
forward
> and one
> reverse for $49.95.
>
> Someone out there could probably put together a pretty good inboard with
all
> the parts
> available from them.
>
> James Fuller
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jkohnen@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
>
>
> > Dick-
> >
> > You can't buy a new lawnmower engine separately as cheaply as you can
get
> > one with the lawnmower attached! Buy one of the "big wheel" mowers and
you
> > can use the back wheels to make a boat dolly. <g>
> >
> > I've thought quite a bit about how to easily use a vertical shaft
> lawnmower
> > engine in a boat, but I never would have thought of this guy's solution:
> >
> >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/00/BoatFest-1.html
> >
> > And this fellow has ben very happy running his boat with an ancient
> > 1.5 hp horizontal shaft engine. He says he rarely runs the engine much
> over
> > idle:
> >
> >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/98/BoatFest-1.html
> >
> >http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/99/BoatFest-3.html
> >
> > The main objections to lawnmower engines in boats are noise and
vibration.
> > The old cast iron engines are quieter and smoother, but I have to admit
> > that the new Briggs & Stratton engines are pretty darn good (at least
for
> > mowing my lawn). They've got electronic ignitions and real carburettors
> and
> > starte easily and run pretty smooth. A BIG muffler and an insulated
engine
> > box would probably help the noise problem, and soft mounts would tame at
> > least some of the vibration. In a hull like the skiffs in the pictures
> > above you wouldn't be running the engine full speed much anyway. One of
> > these days...
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:23:18 -0000, Dick wrote:
> > > Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> > > them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> > > reliable, bolted-down alternative? Sure they'd need to be designed
> > > in (on the transom?, midship?) with a shaft and transmission. There
> > > must be reasons why this is not done but I'm not familiar with the
> > > rationalizations. Can anyone explain why US$125 (my 5 hp. mower cost
> > > about $170 and has wheels too)for a new lawn mower engine isn't
> > > better than US$1000 for a new o/b? Don't they like waves? Isn't the
> > > air as cooling over the water as over the lawn? If the grass catcher
> > > offends commodores, couldn't it be left off?
> >
> >
> > --
> > John <jkohnen@...>
> >http://www.boat-links.com/
> > "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> > "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the
truth.
> > <Alfred North Whitehead>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com.
> > Click Here!
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/7060/13/_/3457/_/963975630/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
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> >
> >
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Hi,
There is a company, Small Engine Distributors, 1701 liberty St., Kansas City
Mo., 64102, That sells small engines at very good prices. For example, a
new Tecumseh
3-1/2 hp horizontal shaft is $59.95. B&S 4 hp vertical shaft 4 hp is
$69.95. B&S 9 hp
horizontal shaft $109.95. You have to furnish a tax number to buy from
them, But if you
don't have one you can probably find a friend who does.
Also, you might look on Glen-L's site at the plans he sells for converting
an old lower
end from a small OB to use electric motors. You could just as easily use a
small Vertical shaft gas engine on it I would think. It shouldn't be too
hard to find a useable
lower end from a blown OB.
They also sell things like a transmission gear box with three speeds forward
and one
reverse for $49.95.
Someone out there could probably put together a pretty good inboard with all
the parts
available from them.
James Fuller
There is a company, Small Engine Distributors, 1701 liberty St., Kansas City
Mo., 64102, That sells small engines at very good prices. For example, a
new Tecumseh
3-1/2 hp horizontal shaft is $59.95. B&S 4 hp vertical shaft 4 hp is
$69.95. B&S 9 hp
horizontal shaft $109.95. You have to furnish a tax number to buy from
them, But if you
don't have one you can probably find a friend who does.
Also, you might look on Glen-L's site at the plans he sells for converting
an old lower
end from a small OB to use electric motors. You could just as easily use a
small Vertical shaft gas engine on it I would think. It shouldn't be too
hard to find a useable
lower end from a blown OB.
They also sell things like a transmission gear box with three speeds forward
and one
reverse for $49.95.
Someone out there could probably put together a pretty good inboard with all
the parts
available from them.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: <jkohnen@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
> Dick-
>
> You can't buy a new lawnmower engine separately as cheaply as you can get
> one with the lawnmower attached! Buy one of the "big wheel" mowers and you
> can use the back wheels to make a boat dolly. <g>
>
> I've thought quite a bit about how to easily use a vertical shaft
lawnmower
> engine in a boat, but I never would have thought of this guy's solution:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/00/BoatFest-1.html
>
> And this fellow has ben very happy running his boat with an ancient
> 1.5 hp horizontal shaft engine. He says he rarely runs the engine much
over
> idle:
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/98/BoatFest-1.html
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/DepoeBay/99/BoatFest-3.html
>
> The main objections to lawnmower engines in boats are noise and vibration.
> The old cast iron engines are quieter and smoother, but I have to admit
> that the new Briggs & Stratton engines are pretty darn good (at least for
> mowing my lawn). They've got electronic ignitions and real carburettors
and
> starte easily and run pretty smooth. A BIG muffler and an insulated engine
> box would probably help the noise problem, and soft mounts would tame at
> least some of the vibration. In a hull like the skiffs in the pictures
> above you wouldn't be running the engine full speed much anyway. One of
> these days...
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:23:18 -0000, Dick wrote:
> > Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> > them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> > reliable, bolted-down alternative? Sure they'd need to be designed
> > in (on the transom?, midship?) with a shaft and transmission. There
> > must be reasons why this is not done but I'm not familiar with the
> > rationalizations. Can anyone explain why US$125 (my 5 hp. mower cost
> > about $170 and has wheels too)for a new lawn mower engine isn't
> > better than US$1000 for a new o/b? Don't they like waves? Isn't the
> > air as cooling over the water as over the lawn? If the grass catcher
> > offends commodores, couldn't it be left off?
>
>
> --
> John <jkohnen@...>
>http://www.boat-links.com/
> "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
> "Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
> <Alfred North Whitehead>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com.
> Click Here!
>http://click.egroups.com/1/7060/13/_/3457/_/963975630/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
Well, you tickled my curiousity. I may well have overlooked him, but I saw no ads
in a quick scan of Wooden Boat or Messing About in Boats, but I do have an ad in
the January/Februalry 1999 issue of Boatbuilder. I am not getting this mag
currently, so don't know if he still advertises.
His ad starts out with Cheap Power today.
$10.95
PO Box 32172-B
Charleston, SC 29417
As far as my thoughts on his manual - I remember that I had hoped that there would
be more to it, but I don't know where I put it, and Dang if this half a century
old memory doesn't drop a file into the recycle bin every now and then!
By the way, any details on an easy-to-make sliding seat would also be welcome
hereabouts.
Jim
Mark Albanese wrote:
in a quick scan of Wooden Boat or Messing About in Boats, but I do have an ad in
the January/Februalry 1999 issue of Boatbuilder. I am not getting this mag
currently, so don't know if he still advertises.
His ad starts out with Cheap Power today.
$10.95
PO Box 32172-B
Charleston, SC 29417
As far as my thoughts on his manual - I remember that I had hoped that there would
be more to it, but I don't know where I put it, and Dang if this half a century
old memory doesn't drop a file into the recycle bin every now and then!
By the way, any details on an easy-to-make sliding seat would also be welcome
hereabouts.
Jim
Mark Albanese wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Capt. Owen also offered sliding seat plans, didn't he? What
> did you think of the $10.95 engine conversion manual?
> There's a lot of interest in this here. Do you think he's
> still around?
>
> Mark
>
> Jim Goeckermann wrote:
> >
> > I will confess that the lawn mower motor marine application lit my lights
> > for a bit. I even mailed Mr. Owen a check. Her is what I know after
> > thinking about it far more than I'll admit.
> > 1) You may already have a mower motor, but it costs far more to get the
> > driveshaft through the hull than it does to get a motor. If someone has a
> > backyard solution to engineer this, please post with pictures and bragging
> > tales of success!
> > 2) Most of the less expensive motors are junk - unsleeved, running on
> > aluminum cylinder walls. Do a little reading in the Glen-L site and other
> > places. Amazingly, marine power is harder on a motor (even a converted
> > automotive motor) than running on the pavement. Lots harder.
> > 3) If you do need a small motor, in my opinion there is only one - the
> > Honda, and even here you have to be careful. I have been unable to find a
> > distributor that really knows what he is talking about, but if you get the
> > Northern catalog, some of the Honda horizontal shaft motors have twice the
> > guarantee. No misprint, that's the model to get. Those of us who power
> > heavy duty alternators for battery bank charging know that such a motor will
> > run through the life of about five Briggs motors of similar rating.
> > 4) China Diesel makes a crude looking outboard that might be running long
> > after we aren't.
> > 5) Old outboards with bad powerheads are a dime a dozen. I spent some time
> > thinking about a vertical shaft Honda on top of such a contraption. It
> > could be pulley driven so that another pulley could go to a golf cart
> > motor. Then you could troll to battery or photovoltaic amps, firing up the
> > gas when the amps are down. Also, I have the parts which is the desigh
> > inspiration in this area for lots of us.
> > 6) Getting into a wooden box with your lawnmower is nowhere near the feeling
> > of a purring Honda outboard that has a reverse for those of us that need
> > brakes on our boats. Loud. Smelly.....
> > None of the above means that I wouldn't love to see some pictures of guys
> > that have made it work! Nothing like a putterer to appreciate the puttering
> > of another addict.
> > Cheers,
> > Jim
> >
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Jim,
Capt. Owen also offered sliding seat plans, didn't he? What
did you think of the $10.95 engine conversion manual?
There's a lot of interest in this here. Do you think he's
still around?
Mark
Jim Goeckermann wrote:
Capt. Owen also offered sliding seat plans, didn't he? What
did you think of the $10.95 engine conversion manual?
There's a lot of interest in this here. Do you think he's
still around?
Mark
Jim Goeckermann wrote:
>
> I will confess that the lawn mower motor marine application lit my lights
> for a bit. I even mailed Mr. Owen a check. Her is what I know after
> thinking about it far more than I'll admit.
> 1) You may already have a mower motor, but it costs far more to get the
> driveshaft through the hull than it does to get a motor. If someone has a
> backyard solution to engineer this, please post with pictures and bragging
> tales of success!
> 2) Most of the less expensive motors are junk - unsleeved, running on
> aluminum cylinder walls. Do a little reading in the Glen-L site and other
> places. Amazingly, marine power is harder on a motor (even a converted
> automotive motor) than running on the pavement. Lots harder.
> 3) If you do need a small motor, in my opinion there is only one - the
> Honda, and even here you have to be careful. I have been unable to find a
> distributor that really knows what he is talking about, but if you get the
> Northern catalog, some of the Honda horizontal shaft motors have twice the
> guarantee. No misprint, that's the model to get. Those of us who power
> heavy duty alternators for battery bank charging know that such a motor will
> run through the life of about five Briggs motors of similar rating.
> 4) China Diesel makes a crude looking outboard that might be running long
> after we aren't.
> 5) Old outboards with bad powerheads are a dime a dozen. I spent some time
> thinking about a vertical shaft Honda on top of such a contraption. It
> could be pulley driven so that another pulley could go to a golf cart
> motor. Then you could troll to battery or photovoltaic amps, firing up the
> gas when the amps are down. Also, I have the parts which is the desigh
> inspiration in this area for lots of us.
> 6) Getting into a wooden box with your lawnmower is nowhere near the feeling
> of a purring Honda outboard that has a reverse for those of us that need
> brakes on our boats. Loud. Smelly.....
> None of the above means that I wouldn't love to see some pictures of guys
> that have made it work! Nothing like a putterer to appreciate the puttering
> of another addict.
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/7078/13/_/3457/_/963985969/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
I will confess that the lawn mower motor marine application lit my lights
for a bit. I even mailed Mr. Owen a check. Her is what I know after
thinking about it far more than I'll admit.
1) You may already have a mower motor, but it costs far more to get the
driveshaft through the hull than it does to get a motor. If someone has a
backyard solution to engineer this, please post with pictures and bragging
tales of success!
2) Most of the less expensive motors are junk - unsleeved, running on
aluminum cylinder walls. Do a little reading in the Glen-L site and other
places. Amazingly, marine power is harder on a motor (even a converted
automotive motor) than running on the pavement. Lots harder.
3) If you do need a small motor, in my opinion there is only one - the
Honda, and even here you have to be careful. I have been unable to find a
distributor that really knows what he is talking about, but if you get the
Northern catalog, some of the Honda horizontal shaft motors have twice the
guarantee. No misprint, that's the model to get. Those of us who power
heavy duty alternators for battery bank charging know that such a motor will
run through the life of about five Briggs motors of similar rating.
4) China Diesel makes a crude looking outboard that might be running long
after we aren't.
5) Old outboards with bad powerheads are a dime a dozen. I spent some time
thinking about a vertical shaft Honda on top of such a contraption. It
could be pulley driven so that another pulley could go to a golf cart
motor. Then you could troll to battery or photovoltaic amps, firing up the
gas when the amps are down. Also, I have the parts which is the desigh
inspiration in this area for lots of us.
6) Getting into a wooden box with your lawnmower is nowhere near the feeling
of a purring Honda outboard that has a reverse for those of us that need
brakes on our boats. Loud. Smelly.....
None of the above means that I wouldn't love to see some pictures of guys
that have made it work! Nothing like a putterer to appreciate the puttering
of another addict.
Cheers,
Jim
for a bit. I even mailed Mr. Owen a check. Her is what I know after
thinking about it far more than I'll admit.
1) You may already have a mower motor, but it costs far more to get the
driveshaft through the hull than it does to get a motor. If someone has a
backyard solution to engineer this, please post with pictures and bragging
tales of success!
2) Most of the less expensive motors are junk - unsleeved, running on
aluminum cylinder walls. Do a little reading in the Glen-L site and other
places. Amazingly, marine power is harder on a motor (even a converted
automotive motor) than running on the pavement. Lots harder.
3) If you do need a small motor, in my opinion there is only one - the
Honda, and even here you have to be careful. I have been unable to find a
distributor that really knows what he is talking about, but if you get the
Northern catalog, some of the Honda horizontal shaft motors have twice the
guarantee. No misprint, that's the model to get. Those of us who power
heavy duty alternators for battery bank charging know that such a motor will
run through the life of about five Briggs motors of similar rating.
4) China Diesel makes a crude looking outboard that might be running long
after we aren't.
5) Old outboards with bad powerheads are a dime a dozen. I spent some time
thinking about a vertical shaft Honda on top of such a contraption. It
could be pulley driven so that another pulley could go to a golf cart
motor. Then you could troll to battery or photovoltaic amps, firing up the
gas when the amps are down. Also, I have the parts which is the desigh
inspiration in this area for lots of us.
6) Getting into a wooden box with your lawnmower is nowhere near the feeling
of a purring Honda outboard that has a reverse for those of us that need
brakes on our boats. Loud. Smelly.....
None of the above means that I wouldn't love to see some pictures of guys
that have made it work! Nothing like a putterer to appreciate the puttering
of another addict.
Cheers,
Jim
Hi, Harry.
Do you have in mind "Captain Woodie Owen?" He used to
advertise, "Complete do it yourself manual includes forward,
neutral, reverse gearing from cheap, easily obtained parts"
for Briggs & Stratton type conversions. Last known address (1988):
4801-S 37th Street South
Petersburg, FL 33711
BTW From the same era SBJ were advertised the Brown DB 10,
an 80 pound, 10HP, 4 cycle gas, electric start and
alternator equipped, non corroding or overheating, "Lightest
and best engine available anywhere." Anyone seen one of these?
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
Do you have in mind "Captain Woodie Owen?" He used to
advertise, "Complete do it yourself manual includes forward,
neutral, reverse gearing from cheap, easily obtained parts"
for Briggs & Stratton type conversions. Last known address (1988):
4801-S 37th Street South
Petersburg, FL 33711
BTW From the same era SBJ were advertised the Brown DB 10,
an 80 pound, 10HP, 4 cycle gas, electric start and
alternator equipped, non corroding or overheating, "Lightest
and best engine available anywhere." Anyone seen one of these?
Mark
"Harry W. James" wrote:
>
> I was thinking along these lines when this tread started. I have
> seen advertised some where the plans for a marine conversion or
> use of small brigs and Stratton's. Any body else seen that and
> know where it is?
I was thinking along these lines when this tread started. I have
seen advertised some where the plans for a marine conversion or
use of small brigs and Stratton's. Any body else seen that and
know where it is?
HJ
dick@...wrote:
% Harrywelshman@...
seen advertised some where the plans for a marine conversion or
use of small brigs and Stratton's. Any body else seen that and
know where it is?
HJ
dick@...wrote:
>_ _ _ _ _
> Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> reliable, bolted-down alternative?
% Harrywelshman@...
HI,
I have a 3-1/2 hp outboard that was sold by Wards and made I believe, by
Eska. It was made in 1975
It runs like a top. I have had to do a couple of repairs to it, and parts
can be found at any lawn mower shop. It has a Clinton vertical shaft lawn
mower engine on it. I bought it used, although I don't believe it had many
hours on it. I would not hesitate to buy another like it since it is easy
to fix and parts are easy to find.
I use it on an 11 ft fishing pram that I built about a year ago and it
pushes it around at a goodly speed.
James Fuller
I have a 3-1/2 hp outboard that was sold by Wards and made I believe, by
Eska. It was made in 1975
It runs like a top. I have had to do a couple of repairs to it, and parts
can be found at any lawn mower shop. It has a Clinton vertical shaft lawn
mower engine on it. I bought it used, although I don't believe it had many
hours on it. I would not hesitate to buy another like it since it is easy
to fix and parts are easy to find.
I use it on an 11 ft fishing pram that I built about a year ago and it
pushes it around at a goodly speed.
James Fuller
----- Original Message -----
From: <dick@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:23 AM
Subject: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
> Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> reliable, bolted-down alternative? Sure they'd need to be designed
> in (on the transom?, midship?) with a shaft and transmission. There
> must be reasons why this is not done but I'm not familiar with the
> rationalizations. Can anyone explain why US$125 (my 5 hp. mower cost
> about $170 and has wheels too)for a new lawn mower engine isn't
> better than US$1000 for a new o/b? Don't they like waves? Isn't the
> air as cooling over the water as over the lawn? If the grass catcher
> offends commodores, couldn't it be left off?
>
> Dick
>
>
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Actualy, there is a company that sells them, "GoDevil" I believe. Basicaly
the motor is ballanced on a pivot on the transom with a long "dragon tail"
setup, long shaft leading to a prop...
http://www.godevil.com
I briefly considered getting one... The problem is I think they have jumped
on the "marine" bandwagon, thier prices are as expensive as outboards!
I'm still toying with the idea of making my own...
Using a horizontal shaft engine like this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5118
and galvanized steel with epoxy and a nice paint job over the welds....
May still do it. Think there is enough detail in the pictures at the godevil
site to "borrow" the design?
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
the motor is ballanced on a pivot on the transom with a long "dragon tail"
setup, long shaft leading to a prop...
http://www.godevil.com
I briefly considered getting one... The problem is I think they have jumped
on the "marine" bandwagon, thier prices are as expensive as outboards!
I'm still toying with the idea of making my own...
Using a horizontal shaft engine like this:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5118
and galvanized steel with epoxy and a nice paint job over the welds....
May still do it. Think there is enough detail in the pictures at the godevil
site to "borrow" the design?
Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
----- Original Message -----
From: <dick@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: [bolger] Lawn Mower Engines?
> Outboards are expensive and as some say, short-lived. Fraser finds
> them fleeting. Why not use a lawn mower engine as an inexpensive,
> reliable, bolted-down alternative? Sure they'd need to be designed
> in (on the transom?, midship?) with a shaft and transmission. There
> must be reasons why this is not done but I'm not familiar with the
> rationalizations. Can anyone explain why US$125 (my 5 hp. mower cost
> about $170 and has wheels too)for a new lawn mower engine isn't
> better than US$1000 for a new o/b? Don't they like waves? Isn't the
> air as cooling over the water as over the lawn? If the grass catcher
> offends commodores, couldn't it be left off?
>
> Dick
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wish you had something rad to add to your email?
> We do at www.supersig.com.
>http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/13/_/3457/_/963930204/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>