Re: [bolger] boat camping modifications? was > The Elusive "Dugong"

Thanks for the suggestions everybody. Here is a summary of what I've found out, including a few new links.
 
Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping by Ida Little
Thanks Bruce and Thomas.
It looks like Amazon.com stopped selling it between last week and this week. I looked at the publisher's web site, and they seem to be having problems. I couldn't find a web site for Ida Little, so I bought a new copy from one of the book stores listed through Amazon.com on the page for this book. The book came out in 1992, which is a while ago now. Bolger mentioned in the 1980 book "Different Boats" that Ida Little built his design called the Cruising Canoe.
 
Does anybody know if Ida Little is still active with small boats?
 
Dinghy Cruising: The Enjoyment of Wandering Afloat by Margaret Dye
Thanks Thomas.
The 3rd edition of this came out Jan 1, 2008, its in print, and I ordered a copy of this. Its encouraging that the author is continuing to work with the body of work in the book, and that it was updated recently.
 
Backyard Boatbuilder: How to Build Your Own Wooden Boat by John Welsford
Thanks Mike.
Its not clear if the book is just going out of print or coming into print or if the publication of a new edition got stalled. In any case, its not available new for the time being.
I sent a message to the John Welsford at
 www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz
The web site doesn't mention the book, I sent email a week ago and he hasn't responded, so its hard to say what the status is of this book.
 
The Dinghy Cruising Association
 www.dca.uk.com/articles.htm
 www.dca.uk.com/links.htm
Thanks Peter.
Though this is more focused on Europe, some of information and suppliers will be of use to people on other continents.
 
Actually while looking at this I realized that suppliers for seagoing kayaks might be more useful than yachting suppliers for supplies and equipment for dingy cruising and boat camping. It was a revelation to understand that while boat building suppliers are essential for building the hull and setting up the rigging for small open boats, the equipment and supplies needed for extended sailing in a small open boat, in less than perfect weather, will be more likely found at seagoing kayak suppliers than at yachting suppliers.

"Openboat is dedicated to the cruising of open boats in coastal or inland waters."
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openboat
Thanks Graeme.
Though this is sponsored by the DCA, anybody can join the discussion group who is interested in discussion on these activities. I joined, and looking at the table of monthly email levels, it looks like August is when they are mostly out in boats away from the internet and winter is when a lot of the discussion happens.
 
The Shallow Water Sailor Sailing Manual
 www.shallowwatersailor.us/swsmanual/index.html
This has an extensive and useful bibliography, though a number of the books are out of print.
 
Hostellers Sailing Club: All about Dinghy Cruising
 www.btinternet.com/%7Esail/cruising.htm
This long web page (about 50 pages on 8.5x11 inch paper) is a valuable book in itself, has a lot of useful technical details about all aspects of dingy cruising including camping in the boat, and includes some links to useful resources.
 
When I searched this link for: boat camping
 www.duckworksmagazine.com
It returned 160 results. While these are magazine articles and usually don't have the depth of a book, reading through them will provide a breath of real world experience that no book could. This is a dangerous link, however. After reading all 160 links from this search, then you could search for dingy cruising, and all this reading would provide clues for more fascinating searches and more intriguing articles, and more searches and more articles :)
 
Sincerely,
Roger
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:20 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] boat camping modifications? was > The Elusive "Dugong"
...
Does anybody have any other suggestions on books that might cover modifications to a small open boat that will be used for boat camping?
 
Sincerely,
Roger
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openboat/?yguid=140880010

"Description
Openboat is dedicated to the cruising of open boats in coastal or inland waters..."

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Padvorac" <roger@...> wrote:

> How they adapted their boat for the tent they used for boat camping.
> How they organized and stowed their gear so it was out of the way while underway.
> How they arranged their boat into a small campsite at the end of the sailing day.
>
> So I'm looking for in-depth information about these subjects.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Patrick Crockett<pcrockett@...> wrote:

> I can't resist throwing in my 2 cents worth on boat camping.
> One of the incredibly wonderful things about Bolger's Windsprint is...

http://tinyurl.com/nmqbde

Wow. I wonder if the "wind" in "Windsprint" for PCB came from the
Wind in the Willows?
Ohh -- oohh, oohh, Mr Kotter! Mr. Kotter -- oohh, oohh --

I haven't been reading this thread (I'm on vacation on Ocracoke Island so I'm not doing much computing), but I can't resist throwing in my 2 cents worth on boat camping.

One of the incredibly wonderful things about Bolger's Windsprint is the big, open space (due to having the dagger board offset to the port side). This allows me to pitch a 1-man backpacking tent INSIDE the boat. Which means that, cruising in the North Carolina sounds, I can stop wherever I care to, park the boat on a mudflat or sandbar, put up the tent, and go to bed. No need to find a place on shore to pitch a tent. The boat's flat bottom is a big plus in this endeavor, as well. (So -- to get back on the Dugong topic, if it is possible to offset the centerboard or whatever it has, that could be a good mod.)

The only time I was unhappy with the Windsprint's flat bottom was when I misjudged the tide -- I had made the beach on the back side of Cape Lookout at high tide one evening and when I was ready to leave the next morning I had to drag the boat 1/4 mile over the sand to float it. That was serious labor (and left two blue streaks on the sand from the runners on the bottom). Not sure I would have done anything different had I known how far away form water the tide would leave me since I was trying my new big tent near the top of the dune, so I wouldn't have been comfortable leaving the boat anchored very far out. 

Pitching a tent at the top of the dune was very bad advice to follow, BTW. I never knew if it was intended as friendly advice (for the cooling breeze) or as a joke. The breeze was cooling -- and it flattened my tent on top of me. Seriously -- I spread my feet wide into the windward corners to hold the tent down, and the wind blew the rest of the tent flat onto my face. The poles were so un-recoverably bent that I had to buy new ones from REI. Next morning, though, the water was so calm that I waded out on the ocean side into chest-deep water and could still see my toes on the sandy bottom. It was like swimming-pool clear. I found a few big whelk shells that day.

Patrick
http://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats


On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Mike John wrote:



Roger,

John welsford has a small section on camping in an open sailboat in his book Backyard Boatbuilder.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/books/jw/nz.htm

Mike



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Also
Dinghy Cruising: The Enjoyment of Wandering Afloat by Margret Dye has good info on Boat camping.
Thomas

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "iambrutis" <iambrutis@...> wrote:
>
> I will give Ida Little's book
> "Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping" 5 stars.
> it gives great detail how they boat camped 6 months a year for 20 years. A real gold mine of information on the subject. They did what most of us only dream of. They started back packing then Boat camping, towed a canoe with supplies behind a 14 ft Hobie cat before Dugong. You can not go wrong on this one.
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Padvorac" <roger@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the book suggestion Bruce. I've been thinking of looking for books that go into boat camping in detail, so I can design into the boat I'll build helpful boat camping oriented modifications. I think several of Bolger's smaller boats would make a great base for adapting for boat camping, meaning camping in the open boat.
> >
> > I looked at Amazon.com, and the book you suggested is still in print, and has 2 five star reader reviews.
> >
> > The only other 2 books that I spotted were both out of print.
> > Beachcruising: An Illustrated Guide to the Boats, Gear, Navigation Techniques, Cuisine, and Comforts of Small Boat Cruising [ILLUSTRATED]
> > By Douglas Alvord - No commercial reviews or any reader reviews
> >
> > The ABCs of Boat Camping
> > By Gordon Groene - It has a single two star review out of five possible stars.
> >
> > Does anybody have any other suggestions on books that might cover modifications to a small open boat that will be used for boat camping?
> >
> > I doubt if there would be a book just about this, but as an author talked in depth about how they went about boat camping, they would likely mention:
> > How they adapted their boat for the tent they used for boat camping.
> > How they organized and stowed their gear so it was out of the way while underway.
> > How they arranged their boat into a small campsite at the end of the sailing day.
> >
> > So I'm looking for in-depth information about these subjects.
> >
> > An example of a modification I've thought of, that would be easy to add during original construction, would be adding a small coaming all around the open area so snaps or Velcro can put on the coaming to help hold the boat tent in place while the coaming helps keep splashing water out. So I'm looking for some writer who has collected and worked with ideas like this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Roger
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@>
> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: The Elusive "Dugong"
> > >
> > > I am about 50% guessing Dugong might be covered in Ida Little's book
> > > "Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping", which I haven't read, but I any
> > > case, she is a person that built that design. ISBN 978-0918752154
> > >
> >
>
I will give Ida Little's book
"Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping" 5 stars.
it gives great detail how they boat camped 6 months a year for 20 years. A real gold mine of information on the subject. They did what most of us only dream of. They started back packing then Boat camping, towed a canoe with supplies behind a 14 ft Hobie cat before Dugong. You can not go wrong on this one.
Thomas




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Padvorac" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the book suggestion Bruce. I've been thinking of looking for books that go into boat camping in detail, so I can design into the boat I'll build helpful boat camping oriented modifications. I think several of Bolger's smaller boats would make a great base for adapting for boat camping, meaning camping in the open boat.
>
> I looked at Amazon.com, and the book you suggested is still in print, and has 2 five star reader reviews.
>
> The only other 2 books that I spotted were both out of print.
> Beachcruising: An Illustrated Guide to the Boats, Gear, Navigation Techniques, Cuisine, and Comforts of Small Boat Cruising [ILLUSTRATED]
> By Douglas Alvord - No commercial reviews or any reader reviews
>
> The ABCs of Boat Camping
> By Gordon Groene - It has a single two star review out of five possible stars.
>
> Does anybody have any other suggestions on books that might cover modifications to a small open boat that will be used for boat camping?
>
> I doubt if there would be a book just about this, but as an author talked in depth about how they went about boat camping, they would likely mention:
> How they adapted their boat for the tent they used for boat camping.
> How they organized and stowed their gear so it was out of the way while underway.
> How they arranged their boat into a small campsite at the end of the sailing day.
>
> So I'm looking for in-depth information about these subjects.
>
> An example of a modification I've thought of, that would be easy to add during original construction, would be adding a small coaming all around the open area so snaps or Velcro can put on the coaming to help hold the boat tent in place while the coaming helps keep splashing water out. So I'm looking for some writer who has collected and worked with ideas like this.
>
> Sincerely,
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: The Elusive "Dugong"
> >
> > I am about 50% guessing Dugong might be covered in Ida Little's book
> > "Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping", which I haven't read, but I any
> > case, she is a person that built that design. ISBN 978-0918752154
> >
>


--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Padvorac" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any other suggestions on books that might cover modifications to a small open boat that will be used for boat camping?
>
This website has some useful info and links to other sites

http://www.dca.uk.com/

 

Cheers

Peter

Roger,

John welsford has a small section on camping in an open sailboat in his book Backyard Boatbuilder.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/media/books/jw/nz.htm

Mike



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Thanks for the book suggestion Bruce. I've been thinking of looking for books that go into boat camping in detail, so I can design into the boat I'll build helpful boat camping oriented modifications. I think several of Bolger's smaller boats would make a great base for adapting for boat camping, meaning camping in the open boat.
 
I looked at Amazon.com, and the book you suggested is still in print, and has 2 five star reader reviews.
 
The only other 2 books that I spotted were both out of print.
Beachcruising: An Illustrated Guide to the Boats, Gear, Navigation Techniques, Cuisine, and Comforts of Small Boat Cruising [ILLUSTRATED]
By Douglas Alvord - No commercial reviews or any reader reviews
 
The ABCs of Boat Camping
By Gordon Groene -It has a single two star review out of five possible stars.
 
Does anybody have any other suggestions on books that might cover modifications to a small open boat that will be used for boat camping?
 
I doubt if there would be a book just about this, but as an author talked in depth about how they went about boat camping, they would likely mention:
How they adapted their boat for the tent they used for boat camping.
How they organized and stowed their gear so it was out of the way while underway.
How they arranged their boat into a small campsite at the end of the sailing day.
 
So I'm looking for in-depth information about these subjects.
 
An example of a modification I've thought of, that would be easy to add during original construction, would be adding a small coaming all around the open area so snaps or Velcro can put on the coaming to help hold the boat tent in place while the coaming helps keep splashing water out. So I'm looking for some writer who has collected and worked with ideas like this.
 
Sincerely,
Roger
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <bruce@...>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: The Elusive "Dugong"
>
> I am about 50% guessing Dugong might
be covered in Ida Little's book
> "Beach Cruising and Coastal Camping",
which I haven't read, but I any
> case, she is a person that built that
design.  ISBN 978-0918752154
>