Re: sir Joseph banks

Further... you can also see the transom detail differences in the b&w photo at page 98 of 30-ODD BOATS. Note the scuppers edging etc. I can't see why this detail would have been removed to apply the green paint on the second boat.

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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> No, my mistake.
>
> On reviewing the photos of this one, and the one from a year or two ago, considerable difference can be seen between the detail steel work of the two transoms. Other differences, lack of timber work, colour, and so on, could perhaps be ascribed to an attempted renovation.
>
> Conclusion: this hull is another Lions Paw.
>
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@> wrote:
> >
> > Plywood decking has gone. Seems a little cleaned up. Perhaps someone in the past couple of years has already had a go at renovating before rethinking?
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Look at the water line on the diesel.
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> > > edrapela@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is it this one?
> > > >
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
> >
>

No, my mistake.

On reviewing the photos of this one, and the one from a year or two ago, considerable difference can be seen between the detail steel work of the two transoms. Other differences, lack of timber work, colour, and so on, could perhaps be ascribed to an attempted renovation.

Conclusion: this hull is another Lions Paw.

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "graeme19121984" <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
>
> Plywood decking has gone. Seems a little cleaned up. Perhaps someone in the past couple of years has already had a go at renovating before rethinking?
>
> Graeme
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> >
> > Look at the water line on the diesel.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > edrapela@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it this one?
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
>

Plywood decking has gone. Seems a little cleaned up. Perhaps someone in the past couple of years has already had a go at renovating before rethinking?

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Look at the water line on the diesel.
>
> HJ
>
> edrapela@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is it this one?
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:23 AM,
daschultz2000<daschultz8275@...> wrote:

>
>
> No that is not the project I've seen, but looking at the pics, the ebay
> auction may also be a "Lions Paw". Interesting, 2 of them abandoned at a
> similar stage of completion. I'll leave it to better judges than I as to
> whether this is a 2nd LP.

In my opinion, this is certainly Allan Bosticks Lion's Paw hull. Go
back and read the goadarama group posts from December 2006 where he
discusses his field trip to see that hull...interesting reading

I don't know...

Rehab jobs like the Lions Paw always seem like a good idea at the time yet when all is said and done the Lions Paw is such a simple build that it would most likely be easier and cheaper to simply build the sucker from scratch.

Some years back I assisted in a new steel build and an old steel hull that had never been completed and the new build went far faster and in the end was half the total cost of the old boat that was "free"!

Bob

http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/

Yeah that water damage is really ugly. Engine is likely trash. To bad too sad. But I'd guess the hull is good, given decent welding. Even poor welding could be made right. It could go for near scrap prices. New owner would need to get a sand blaster.

Don

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Look at the water line on the diesel.
>
> HJ
>

I know Michalak suggests building the sail rig including the sails for his boats first, partially so the hull isn't occupying a large space needed for the sail, and in part to get those details done before the excitement of getting the hull 3D saps ones energy.

I got an airplane partially done several years back before life intervened, ended up selling it incomplete.

Don

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <bruce@...> wrote:
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> That does look like Lion's Paw!
>
> Funny thing, (and speaking from personal experience), building the
> hull is a tiny fraction of the work of building a boat.
>

No that is not the project I've seen, but looking at the pics, the ebay auction may also be a "Lions Paw". Interesting, 2 of them abandoned at a similar stage of completion. I'll leave it to better judges than I as to whether this is a 2nd LP.

Look at the water line on the diesel.

HJ

edrapela@...wrote:

>
>
> Is it this one?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
>
>
> Aug 10, 2009 10:14:51 AM,bolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I brought up Lions Paw because the assembly method of the hull, on
> a much smaller scale looks very similar. For instance, the bottom
> plates "underhang" the sides, providing a rugged edge to take
> abuse. From what I've read, the one that has been partially
> completed was done pretty much by one guy. SJB is way to big for
> that to happen, but a tank building crew could make it happen in a
> hurry. I've not looked at Weston Martyr to compare construction.
>
> My guess is that Sir Joseph could come together with amazing speed
> as conceived because of the low level of finish detail. I'd want
> to make sure there was good access to the engine compartment from
> above. I doubt Bolger would have missed that.
>
>
>
>

That does look like Lion's Paw!

Funny thing, (and speaking from personal experience), building the
hull is a tiny fraction of the work of building a boat.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:11 AM, <edrapela@...> wrote:
>
>
> Is it this one?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
>

Is it this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/custom-diesel-powered-steel-hull-sailboat-Lister-Petter_W0QQitemZ270440430462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSailboats?hash=item3ef7817b7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245


Aug 10, 2009 10:14:51 AM,bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:

 

I brought up Lions Paw because the assembly method of the hull, on a much smaller scale looks very similar. For instance, the bottom plates "underhang" the sides, providing a rugged edge to take abuse. From what I've read, the one that has been partially completed was done pretty much by one guy. SJB is way to big for that to happen, but a tank building crew could make it happen in a hurry. I've not looked at Weston Martyr to compare construction.

My guess is that Sir Joseph could come together with amazing speed as conceived because of the low level of finish detail. I'd want to make sure there was good access to the engine compartment from above. I doubt Bolger would have missed that.

I brought up Lions Paw because the assembly method of the hull, on a much smaller scale looks very similar. For instance, the bottom plates "underhang" the sides, providing a rugged edge to take abuse. From what I've read, the one that has been partially completed was done pretty much by one guy. SJB is way to big for that to happen, but a tank building crew could make it happen in a hurry. I've not looked at Weston Martyr to compare construction.

My guess is that Sir Joseph could come together with amazing speed as conceived because of the low level of finish detail. I'd want to make sure there was good access to the engine compartment from above. I doubt Bolger would have missed that.

> A somewhat similar but much smaller version is Lions Paw. One of those is sitting partially built somewhere in the Carolinas.

Weston Martyr, a little longer, a little less beam than Lions Paw, would likely be even easier to build.

Thinking about the temperature range issues inside the uninsulated steel hull: I wonder if for tropical/sub-tropical waters whether or not a suitable seasonal adjustment could be had by simply painting over the deck in a dark or light colour? Perhaps in very warm waters, in sunny climes, the deck could be temporarily covered with cheap, reflective foil? At anchor the deck would also receive some shade from awnings etc, and large windscoops might be fitted to increase ventilation below decks.

I wonder if leeboards as on SirJB, Lions Paw etc, rather than the Weston Martyr, Solution 48 etc centreboards might not be better suited to the types of bottom likely to be encountered regularly (deep mud, coral, coral rubble and sand)?

Graeme

I'll say no. Pretty interesting concept that still seems practical as an inter-island freighter to me. I suspect a company that would build a water tower for a town, could be contracted to build the hull, or atleast build a "kit", with the bottom panels pre-curved. I would have pros assemble the hull near waters edge.

A somewhat similar but much smaller version is Lions Paw. One of those is sitting partially built somewhere in the Carolinas.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "haver51" <h.gorte@...> wrote:
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> Good day. does anyone knows if the joseph banks ever was built?greetings Hilbert.
>

Good day. does anyone knows if the joseph banks ever was built?greetings Hilbert.