Re: [bolger] Re: Chebacco versions and plans

> So I am confused - how many versions are there?
>
> Andrew

Good question, probably as many versions as builders have built.

There are about six versions published in MAIB per my notes:

V11 N03 Design 604 glass house topside 20, panel built, "A Trailer
Motor-Sailer"
V12 N04 Chebacco 25 Design 602 a lapstrake cuddy cabin, stretched to 25 feet
V15 N04 Chebacco 20 Brad Story's, designs 540/575 panel or straked
(And Brad Story built a few cold molded.)
V15 N16 The Cruising Chebacco 1/1/1998 which is a different glass
house topside added to design 540/575
V22 N17 Raised Deck Chebacco Design 540 'RD", a redesign version of
the original, panel built, cuddy cabin with the sheerline panel raised
about 6 inches.

Depending on point of view, I consider the cuddy Chebacco 20 to be the
classic. And it would be my choice for a fun daysailer. The 540RD
version would be my choice if I wanted a overnight cruiser.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:

> Versions (from memory)
> 1. original cold-molded
> 2. sheet ply
> 3. glued lapstrake (like Jerome)
> 4. Navigator (glass house on top of the ply version).
> 5. 26' glued lapstrake
>

I have been pondering the Chebbacco versions myself. Additional to the list above (which are the ones in BWAOM) I have also read about:

6a. Raised deck version #545 (I haven't found website with descriptions of this one. Maybe it is the same as 8?
6b. A Raised deck version that Ben Ho built "Three Rivers"
7. The Chebbacco Cruiserhttp://www.chebacco.com/chebacco_news/chebac18.htm
8. A sheet ply version with a birdwatcher slotted deck
http://www.smallboatforum.com/SBF%20Image%20File/Chebacco.gif
http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html

So I am confused - how many versions are there?

Andrew

> I bought and started reading "The New Cold-Molded Boatbuilding
> From Lofting to Launching" by Reuel Parker.

Parker's books are excellent, and all the reports I've read from people who have seen the boats he has built are very positive.

There was trend a few years back to build wooden boats starting with strip planking, and putting one or more veneer layers on the outside, with or without a cloth/epoxy layer inside or out. I'm not a builder, so I don't know if the trend is going in a new direction now.

I think at least one Chebacco (Itchy & Scratchy?) was strip-built.

I bought and started reading "The New Cold-Molded Boatbuilding From Lofting to Launching" by Reuel Parker. His approach is very interesting as he uses dimensional lumber for the base layer, then crossing layers from strips of thinner plywood. He then covers is all with a polyester fabric and epoxy. It is definitely not stitch and glue plywood simple, but the resulting hull is all but bulletproof and wide open for what ever interior arrangements one wishes to make.

There are fewer layers and less epoxy than trad' cold-molding using door skin style veneers where one is creating the plywood in place. He also uses a pnuematic stapler for much of the fastening. The 40' boat built in the book looks amazing.

A smaller boat like Chebacco, may require one to make the dimensional lumber first layer a bit thinner with a bench style power planer, and the plywood might turn into strip layers of luan.

Parker also provides advice on adapting other designs to the building method. First thing that came to my mind was Bolger's Breakdown Schooner without the break down feature. That's a heck of boat, with much capability overshadowed by the take apart feature. I might substitute iron or lead for the water ballast, making more useful storage space.

Don Schultz

I could see using elements of it even in building some of Michalak's larger designs.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pvanderwaart" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
........and the cold-molding is more challenging for an amateur, that I doubt there is much interest in it anymore........
>

> I really like the lapstrake version - like this one:
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2001/Jerome-1.jpg

That's a beautiful job of boatbuilding!

Versions (from memory)
1. original cold-molded
2. sheet ply
3. glued lapstrake (like Jerome)
4. Navigator (glass house on top of the ply version).
5. 26' glued lapstrake

I believe that the lines plans for the first 3 versions are all different due to PCB's wanting to adapt the boat to the different materials and some information gained along the way. The first couple cold-molded boats had some differences in the arrangement having to do with the outboard and mainsheet; I'm not sure if the plans were modified. The other versions are so cure and/or pretty (depending on taste) and the cold-molding is more challenging for an amateur, that I doubt there is much interest in it anymore.

If you don't want the ply version, get the plans from Suzanne at PB&F. That way you can get her advice too, if you should need it. Aside from appearance, the choice between sheet ply and lapstrake is the choice between a few big pieces and a larger number of small pieces. The full cheeks of the ply boat require a lot bend in the plywood sheets which can be difficult for solo builder. Also a very slight variation in the rabbit line can cause a significant change in the curve at the frames. Some builders have written about having to change the shape of the frames during building.

We had a poll for "favorite PB&F design" on this group some years ago, and the Chebacco was the winner. Enjoy.

Hi all,

I just joined the group after discovering the Chebacco after looking through tons of websites trying to find a pocket cruiser I would like to build.

Anyway, from what I can tell, there are a few different versions out there. Is there a list w/ descriptions of each version anywhere? Also, where do you buy the plans for any version other than the chine-hull version that I see listed on Payson's site?

I really like the lapstrake version - like this one:http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2001/Jerome-1.jpg

Thanks!
Greg