Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound and Beyond?

> Can't wait for Susan to get her and Phil's plans for sale on Chuck's site. Hmmm, that's an assumption. Seems natural enough though.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsprayer" <jeffsprayer@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Don,
>...Would a flat hull and weighted keel perform better in this regard?...
>
> Jeff
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes you could, and it could be a nice simple Jim Michalak style build. BTW I'd close the bow with a hinged drop ramp w' some cleats for footing, like a landing craft. I'd also slot the cabin roof going forward, with a canvas cover for the rain. Nice beachable cruiser!
>
> But I'd consider the Micro's keel to be unreasonable for a power cruiser. May I suggest Martha Jane with the navigator style cabin? That's how the plans come now. Bigger boat but no more to trailer than a Micro-Navigator because there is no lead keel. Also, by going 100% power, you wouldn't need to build MJ's retracting rudder, eliminating that complexity. A purely power MJ would be a simple build, faster for the power than a Micro because of the additional length, and very rugged too. You wouldn't need the flooding ballast, which means more storage in the cabin.
>
> IMO the simple power cruiser you want could be built with the less toxic glues and paints you suggest because the hull won't have to stand up to the stresses of a sail rig. I'd still do the chines with glass tape and epoxy, rounding the corners first, but that would be my choice. Building with external chine logs also helps cover and seal plywood end grain.
>
> There is some "YouTube.com" video of a Jartha Jane with the Navi' cabin being seatrialed without the sail rig, motor only, that makes the boat described above look like a really nice power cruiser. Go to youtube.com and search Martha Jane boat.
>
> Don
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsprayer" <jeffsprayer@> wrote:
> >
> \> ....Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser....
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Paul & Susanne" <glassens@...> wrote:
>
> As a native of Peter Puget's sound, born in Tacoma, I welcome your enthusiasm for the area and its waters. I currently live on Vancouver Island, on the shores of the northern extension of the Salish Sea, the traditional name from the indigenous people who lived between south Puget Sound and the north end of Georgia Strait. As the saying goes, you could spend several lifetimes sailing these waters and the inside passage to SE Alaska. I know. I grew up on the sound building boats, have built a number of Phil's designs over a 30 year period, and at 64 hope to have many more years left on the water. Spent 7 hours and paddled 22 nautical miles on Ladysmith harbour, Stewart channel and Kuleet bay last Saturday - by canoe.
>
> It does not appear as if either of you have 'wintered over' in the northwest yet. Hope the rainy winters don't, er, dampen your spirits. There is a little known fact about Capt. George Vancouver's three summers spent charting the NW coast, (Peter Puget was his first lieutenant.) Each winter Vancouver sailed his ship all the way to Hawaii until the next spring. I kid that the captain and his crew were the first Canadian 'snowbirds'!
>
> Paul
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Pierce Nichols
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:54 PM
> Subject: [SPAM]Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound and Beyond?
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I think what Paul means is that a good marine epoxy (like System III, West System, or equivalent) with appropriate thickeners is a better choice than the PL Premium you're talking about. West has some great technical docs online that should help you figure out how to use it right.
>
> Oh, and I'm also a recent transplant from the desert regions (Tehachapi, CA) to Puget Sound. What a difference a thousand miles makes. :)
>
> -p
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer <jeffsprayer@...> wrote:
>
> Please be specific.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@> wrote:
> >
> > So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> > together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
> >
> > Take care!
> >
> >
> > Paul Esterle
> > Freelance Boating Writer
> > "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> > The Virtual Boatyard
> > www.thevirtualboatyard.com
> >
> >
> > jeffsprayer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all,
> > > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA. I thank the
> > > Good Lord daily!
> > >
> > > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > > primer/paint to:
> > >
> > > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > > waters past the San Juan Islands? I'm thinking year round, too.
> > >
> > > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > > shuns it, it's all mine!). Things like tempered glass windows for
> > > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > > addressed. I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > > limited to week-ends. We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> > >
> > > The idea has me stoked! After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> > >
> > > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > > Keel modifications?
> > > Suitable heater?
> > > Possible kitchenette?
> > >
> > > Might there be another design to consider?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > JW
> > > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> > >
> > > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> > >
> > > 11/21/2008
> > > "Jeff,
> > > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered with anything but
> > > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > > Vince"
> > >
> > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I think what Paul means is that a good marine epoxy (like System III, West
> System, or equivalent) with appropriate thickeners is a better choice than
> the PL Premium you're talking about. West has some great technical docs
> online that should help you figure out how to use it right.
>
> Oh, and I'm also a recent transplant from the desert regions (Tehachapi, CA)
> to Puget Sound. What a difference a thousand miles makes. :)
>
> -p
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer <jeffsprayer@...> wrote:
>
> > Please be specific.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> > > together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
> > >
> > > Take care!
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul Esterle
> > > Freelance Boating Writer
> > > "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> > > The Virtual Boatyard
> > > www.thevirtualboatyard.com
> > >
> > >
> > > jeffsprayer wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA. I thank
> > the
> > > > Good Lord daily!
> > > >
> > > > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > > > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > > > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > > > primer/paint to:
> > > >
> > > > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > > > waters past the San Juan Islands? I'm thinking year round, too.
> > > >
> > > > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > > > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > > > shuns it, it's all mine!). Things like tempered glass windows for
> > > > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > > > addressed. I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > > > limited to week-ends. We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > > > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> > > >
> > > > The idea has me stoked! After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > > > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> > > >
> > > > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > > > Keel modifications?
> > > > Suitable heater?
> > > > Possible kitchenette?
> > > >
> > > > Might there be another design to consider?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > JW
> > > > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > > > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> > > >
> > > > 11/21/2008
> > > > "Jeff,
> > > > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > > > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > > > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > > > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > > > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered with anything
> > but
> > > > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in
> > a
> > > > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > > > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > > > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > > > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here
> > in
> > > > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > > > Vince"
> > > >
> > > >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jeffsprayer" <jeffsprayer@...> wrote:
>
\> ....Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> primer/paint to:
>
> have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser....

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Paul & Susanne<glassens@...>wrote:

Here's to your getting out on the waters of Puget Sound in the near future -preferrably in a Bolger boat. (Have you met Sam Devlin in Olympia?  I think he built some Bolger designs before developing many excellent ones of his own.)

I have not, but I've read a couple of his books. I have an old El Toro that my grandfather built in the 50s (sail #760) that needs a bit of TLC and is too small to take out on the sound. I looked at and considered buying an Instant Catboat last fall, but the stars did not align for that to happen. :(

This is the season for picking up cheap boats, so I'm looking for something that I can take out on the Sound.

Ah, yes, Seattle drivers in a snow storm.  I lived many years in New Haven, Connecticut where people are much more familiar with snow and ice driving than in Seattle.  But then, what part of New England has as steep a hills/mountains as Western Washington?  Even Seattle streets have inclines beyond what most of New England has to offer.

It didn't help that the city government was more concerned with making sure the mayor could get to work than with clearing major city thoroughfares. I missed the sledding on Denny Wy, unfortunately.

-p

----- Original Message -----

From:Pierce Nichols

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:05 PM

Subject:[SPAM]Re: [SPAM]Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound andBeyond?

 

I was here through last winter. I grew up a few towns south of Gloucester. Watching Seattlites handle a good snowstorm was ... interesting. I have had almost no chance to go sailing, tho -- v. busy with work.

-p

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Paul & Susanne<glassens@shaw. ca>wrote:

As a native of Peter Puget's sound, born in Tacoma, I welcome your enthusiasm for the area and its waters.  I currently live on Vancouver Island, on the shores of the northern extension of the Salish Sea, the traditional name from the indigenous people who lived between south Puget Sound and the north end of Georgia Strait.  As the saying goes, you could spend several lifetimes sailing these waters and the inside passage to SE Alaska.  I know.  I grew up on the sound building boats, have built a number of Phil's designs over a 30 year period, and at 64 hope to have many more years left on the water.  Spent 7 hours and paddled 22 nautical miles on Ladysmith harbour, Stewart channel and Kuleet bay last Saturday - by canoe.

 

It does not appear as if either of you have 'wintered over' in the northwest yet.  Hope the rainy winters don't, er, dampen your spirits.  There is a little known fact about Capt. George Vancouver's three summers spent charting the NW coast, (Peter Puget was his first lieutenant.)  Each winter Vancouver  sailed his ship all the way to Hawaii until the next spring.  I kid that the captain and his crew were the first Canadian 'snowbirds'!

 

Paul

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From:Pierce Nichols

To:bolger@yahoogroups. com

Sent:Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:54 PM

Subject:[SPAM]Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound and Beyond?

 

Jeff,

I think what Paul means is that a good marine epoxy (like System III, West System, or equivalent) with appropriate thickeners is a better choice than the PL Premium you're talking about. West has some great technical docs online that should help you figure out how to use it right.

Oh, and I'm also a recent transplant from the desert regions (Tehachapi, CA) to Puget Sound. What a difference a thousand miles makes. :)

-p

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer<jeffsprayer@ yahoo.com>wrote:

Please be specific.

Jeff

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
>
> So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
>
> Take care!
>
>
> Paul Esterle
> Freelance Boating Writer
> "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> The Virtual Boatyard
>www.thevirtualboaty ard.com
>
>
> jeffsprayer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA.  I thank the
> > Good Lord daily!
> >
> > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > waters past the San Juan Islands?  I'm thinking year round, too.
> >
> > I would, of course, outfit/configure/ massage it mightily for the high
> > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > shuns it, it's all mine!).  Things like tempered glass windows for
> > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > addressed.  I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > limited to week-ends.  We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> >
> > The idea has me stoked!  After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> >
> > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > Keel modifications?
> > Suitable heater?
> > Possible kitchenette?
> >
> > Might there be another design to consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JW
> > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> >
> > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> >
> > 11/21/2008
> > "Jeff,
> > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered  with anything but
> > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > Vince"
> >
> >http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Michalak/ photos/album/ 1604124158/ pic/list
> >
> >
>




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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Paul & Susanne<glassens@...>wrote:

As a native of Peter Puget's sound, born in Tacoma, I welcome your enthusiasm for the area and its waters.  I currently live on Vancouver Island, on the shores of the northern extension of the Salish Sea, the traditional name from the indigenous people who lived between south Puget Sound and the north end of Georgia Strait.  As the saying goes, you could spend several lifetimes sailing these waters and the inside passage to SE Alaska.  I know.  I grew up on the sound building boats, have built a number of Phil's designs over a 30 year period, and at 64 hope to have many more years left on the water.  Spent 7 hours and paddled 22 nautical miles on Ladysmith harbour, Stewart channel and Kuleet bay last Saturday - by canoe.

It does not appear as if either of you have 'wintered over' in the northwest yet.  Hope the rainy winters don't, er, dampen your spirits.  There is a little known fact about Capt. George Vancouver's three summers spent charting the NW coast, (Peter Puget was his first lieutenant.)  Each winter Vancouver sailed his ship all the way to Hawaii until the next spring.  I kid that the captain and his crew were the first Canadian 'snowbirds'!

Paul

----- Original Message -----

From:Pierce Nichols

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:54 PM

Subject:[SPAM]Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound and Beyond?

Jeff,

I think what Paul means is that a good marine epoxy (like System III, West System, or equivalent) with appropriate thickeners is a better choice than the PL Premium you're talking about. West has some great technical docs online that should help you figure out how to use it right.

Oh, and I'm also a recent transplant from the desert regions (Tehachapi, CA) to Puget Sound. What a difference a thousand miles makes. :)

-p

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer<jeffsprayer@...>wrote:

Please be specific.

Jeff

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
>
> So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
>
> Take care!
>
>
> Paul Esterle
> Freelance Boating Writer
> "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> The Virtual Boatyard
>www.thevirtualboatyard.com
>
>
> jeffsprayer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA.  I thank the
> > Good Lord daily!
> >
> > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > waters past the San Juan Islands?  I'm thinking year round, too.
> >
> > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > shuns it, it's all mine!).  Things like tempered glass windows for
> > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > addressed.  I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > limited to week-ends.  We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> >
> > The idea has me stoked!  After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> >
> > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > Keel modifications?
> > Suitable heater?
> > Possible kitchenette?
> >
> > Might there be another design to consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JW
> > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> >
> > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> >
> > 11/21/2008
> > "Jeff,
> > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered  with anything but
> > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > Vince"
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> >
> >
>




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>
>
> Please be specific.
>
> Jeff
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Paul
> Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
> >
> > So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> > together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
> >
> > Take care!
> >
> >
> > Paul Esterle
> > Freelance Boating Writer
> > "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> > The Virtual Boatyard
> > www.thevirtualboatyard.com
> >
> >
> > jeffsprayer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all,
> > > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA. I thank
> the
> > > Good Lord daily!
> > >
> > > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe
> even a
> > > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and
> exterior
> > > primer/paint to:
> > >
> > > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > > waters past the San Juan Islands? I'm thinking year round, too.
> > >
> > > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > > shuns it, it's all mine!). Things like tempered glass windows for
> > > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > > addressed. I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > > limited to week-ends. We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> > >
> > > The idea has me stoked! After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> > >
> > > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > > Keel modifications?
> > > Suitable heater?
> > > Possible kitchenette?
> > >
> > > Might there be another design to consider?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > JW
> > > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> > >
> > > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> > >
> > > 11/21/2008
> > > "Jeff,
> > > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered with anything
> but
> > > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered
> in a
> > > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping
> here in
> > > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > > Vince"
> > >
> > >
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From:Pierce Nichols

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:54 PM

Subject:[SPAM]Re: [bolger] Re: Micro Motor Cruiser for Puget Sound and Beyond?

 

Jeff,

I think what Paul means is that a good marine epoxy (like System III, West System, or equivalent) with appropriate thickeners is a better choice than the PL Premium you're talking about. West has some great technical docs online that should help you figure out how to use it right.

Oh, and I'm also a recent transplant from the desert regions (Tehachapi, CA) to Puget Sound. What a difference a thousand miles makes. :)

-p

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer<jeffsprayer@ yahoo.com>wrote:

Please be specific.

Jeff

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
>
> So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
>
> Take care!
>
>
> Paul Esterle
> Freelance Boating Writer
> "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> The Virtual Boatyard
>www.thevirtualboaty ard.com
>
>
> jeffsprayer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA.  I thank the
> > Good Lord daily!
> >
> > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > waters past the San Juan Islands?  I'm thinking year round, too.
> >
> > I would, of course, outfit/configure/ massage it mightily for the high
> > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > shuns it, it's all mine!).  Things like tempered glass windows for
> > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > addressed.  I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > limited to week-ends.  We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> >
> > The idea has me stoked!  After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> >
> > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > Keel modifications?
> > Suitable heater?
> > Possible kitchenette?
> >
> > Might there be another design to consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JW
> > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> >
> > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> >
> > 11/21/2008
> > "Jeff,
> > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered  with anything but
> > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > Vince"
> >
> >http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Michalak/ photos/album/ 1604124158/ pic/list
> >
> >
>




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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM, jeffsprayer<jeffsprayer@...>wrote:

Please be specific.

Jeff

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
>
> So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
>
> Take care!
>
>
> Paul Esterle
> Freelance Boating Writer
> "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> The Virtual Boatyard
>www.thevirtualboatyard.com
>
>
> jeffsprayer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA.  I thank the
> > Good Lord daily!
> >
> > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > waters past the San Juan Islands?  I'm thinking year round, too.
> >
> > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > shuns it, it's all mine!).  Things like tempered glass windows for
> > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > addressed.  I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > limited to week-ends.  We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> >
> > The idea has me stoked!  After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> >
> > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > Keel modifications?
> > Suitable heater?
> > Possible kitchenette?
> >
> > Might there be another design to consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JW
> > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> >
> > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> >
> > 11/21/2008
> > "Jeff,
> > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered  with anything but
> > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > Vince"
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> >
> >
>




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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Paul Esterle <pesterle@...> wrote:
>
> So you're going high end on everything but the stuff you stick it
> together with? Why not use good old epoxy?
>
> Take care!
>
>
> Paul Esterle
> Freelance Boating Writer
> "Capt'n Pauley's Place"
> The Virtual Boatyard
> www.thevirtualboatyard.com
>
>
> jeffsprayer wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA. I thank the
> > Good Lord daily!
> >
> > Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> > Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> > build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> > primer/paint to:
> >
> > have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> > waters past the San Juan Islands? I'm thinking year round, too.
> >
> > I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> > comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> > shuns it, it's all mine!). Things like tempered glass windows for
> > wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> > addressed. I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> > limited to week-ends. We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> > nights, I would sleep on it more.
> >
> > The idea has me stoked! After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> > is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
> >
> > Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> > Keel modifications?
> > Suitable heater?
> > Possible kitchenette?
> >
> > Might there be another design to consider?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > JW
> > You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
> >
> > P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> > built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
> >
> > 11/21/2008
> > "Jeff,
> > All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> > I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> > including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> > Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> > glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered with anything but
> > top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> > pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> > Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> > off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> > I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> > Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> > Vince"
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
> >
> >
>

>
>
> Hey all,
> Recently relocated self and family from Phx, AZ to Oly, WA. I thank the
> Good Lord daily!
>
> Q: Could I purchase Susan's plans for a Micro Navigator or maybe even a
> Long Micro with the Navigator sheet and; delete the sail plan, solidly
> build it with ss screws, PL Premium adhesive, underlayment and exterior
> primer/paint to:
>
> have a nice Micro Motor Cruiser for judicious NW adventures, even in
> waters past the San Juan Islands? I'm thinking year round, too.
>
> I would, of course, outfit/configure/massage it mightily for the high
> comfort level requirement of Desert Rose, my better half (and if she
> shuns it, it's all mine!). Things like tempered glass windows for
> wipers, basic electronics and other serious safety points would be
> addressed. I would trailer it to regions of interest when time is
> limited to week-ends. We would likely sleep on it maybe 2 out of 7
> nights, I would sleep on it more.
>
> The idea has me stoked! After all, I am constantly amazed at how much
> is packed into one little woman, my Desert Rose!
>
> Engine to use (powerful yet quiet, like me!)?
> Keel modifications?
> Suitable heater?
> Possible kitchenette?
>
> Might there be another design to consider?
>
> Thanks,
> JW
> You really don't know NW heaven 'less you know SW hell.
>
> P.S. Why my less-than-epoxy lean for this project? Vince SantaMaria
> built a 24' Michalak Shanteuse in 2004 or so without epoxy.
>
> 11/21/2008
> "Jeff,
> All is well here in Florida and Shanteuse + 8 is just fine also.
> I have never built a stich and glue boat but have built several
> including Shanteuse using exterior chines. For her I just used PL
> Premium glue and stainless steel square drive deck screws, no epoxy or
> glass cloth at all. The plywood edges are not covered with anything but
> top shelf water based paint. She stays out of the water and covered in a
> pole barn. Get some PL Premiun at Lowe's and glue up some test wood.
> Don't get it on your hands because it is impossible to get all of it
> off. It is very good at filling gaps.
> I run her up on the sand/shell beachs when we are island hopping here in
> Florida and she has had no damage to the exposed plywood edges.
> Vince"
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/photos/album/1604124158/pic/list
>
>