Re: [bolger] Acquiring and usibility of Bolger plans

I believe Bolger's excuse was he designed the Gloucester Gull not I
design small boats. Its in one of the books.

HJ

Gene Tehansky wrote:

>
>
> Smile..... Thanks for that!
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 1 Oct, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Bill Howard wrote:
>
>> Phil Bolger once wrote (I forget where) that when he got to the
>> pearly gates and St. Peter asked, "What is your excuse?" he would
>> reply, "I design small boats." and St. Peter would have to let him in.
>>
>>
>> When I get there, and St. Peter asks what is my excuse, and I reply,
>> "I built a small boat," he will reply, "You are already in."
>>
>> Bill Howard
>> Nellysford VA
>> On Oct 1, 2009, at 9:16 PM, eric14850 wrote:
>
>
>
>

Bye, Jamie -- sorry to see you go. I'm hoping it will eventually occur
to everyone that talking about boats is more fun. Must say, though, I
wound up leaving the alt. boating groups for much the same reason --
most of the discussion became polemics against PWCs and specific brands
of motor boats.

BTW, even a light dory deserves a name!

Patrick

jas_orr wrote:

> Guys (and Girls),
>
> I've been a member of the Yahoo Bolger group since inception, and was part of the old Bolgerlist before that. We used to discuss Bolger (and other) boats, and help each other out. Now the list appears to be some kind of PC club where only a few regulars have their say. Whatever happened to giving someone the benefit of the doubt until something unacceptable is actually said or done?
>
> I've had enough, I'm out of here.
>
> Good Sailing,
>
> Jamie Orr
> Chebacco Wayward LassE
> Elegant Punt Creamsicle
> no-name light dory
>

Granted,

I, tend to post a little too fast, and then realize I have left off a detail like this or ignored an important aspect of the post to which I am replying.  I considered posting a clarification, but decided to not post because it seemed like simplicity was an important aspect and Payson doesn't have the box keel version.

V/R
Chris

Gene Tehansky wrote:

The Sneakeasy is not the new one with the box keel or cutwater, or so I understand.  That one is obtained from PB&F...

Gene T.

On 2 Oct, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Christopher C. Wetherill wrote:

Robert,

Brick and Sneakeasy are both available from Payson.  They are very prompt.  I got Windsprint plans within a week via USPS.

V/R
Chris

Robert wrote:

ok i know this is a touchy subject for some reason but if Mrs. Bolger is't selling plans right now and there is no catalogue or web site showing his plans then how do we get plans from Phil Bolger and Friends? Next question is how can  you find out what plans are available and what kind of boat they depict. 

I myself would rather buy from Bolger than pay someone who isn't paying a mans widow royaltys. I plan to build a brick first as a tender for a Tennessee or Sneakeasy and just to get my hands dirty. I havent seen plans for either of the sharpies and i assume Mrs. Bolder is in possession of them. I am in no hurry for one of those plans so it isnt pressing right now but when i am ready to tackle the bigger boat i hope i can get those plans from boldger and friends so that the proceeds go to her and not someone bootlegging his plans.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.
 com, "Dave Gentry"<alias1719@..
 .>wrote:

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.
 com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:

http://www.common-
 sense-boats.
 com/http://www.instantb
 oats.com/. . . .

NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends. 

Instantboats. com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.

Smile.....  Thanks for that!

Guys (and Girls),

I've been a member of the Yahoo Bolger group since inception, and was part of the old Bolgerlist before that. We used to discuss Bolger (and other) boats, and help each other out. Now the list appears to be some kind of PC club where only a few regulars have their say. Whatever happened to giving someone the benefit of the doubt until something unacceptable is actually said or done?

I've had enough, I'm out of here.

Good Sailing,

Jamie Orr
Chebacco Wayward LassE
Elegant Punt Creamsicle
no-name light dory

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger M. Derby" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> I guess you're one of them. If we look at the "long header" of your
> message, we find:
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:28:36 +0000
> From: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Subject: [bolger] this is getting a little creepy
> In-reply-to: <bc2616c90910031207u353fdbe0idc9f8ef03c056ef3@...
> >
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154
> Sender:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> X-Sender: dickpensil@...
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Reply-to:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>
> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
>
> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
> are you using four names?
> ==========================
>
> Roger
>

jeez, where are the 8" wheel guys at when you need 'em. let's get back on topic.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger M. Derby" <derbyrm@...> wrote:
>
> I guess you're one of them. If we look at the "long header" of your
> message, we find:
>
> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:28:36 +0000
> From: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Subject: [bolger] this is getting a little creepy
> In-reply-to: <bc2616c90910031207u353fdbe0idc9f8ef03c056ef3@...
> >
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154
> Sender:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> X-Sender: dickpensil@...
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Reply-to:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>
> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
>
> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
> are you using four names?
> ==========================
>
> Roger
>

I guess you're one of them.  If we look at the "long header" of your message, we find:

I have ordered plans for brick. i like the sneakeasy and tennesse plans because i dont sail and they seemed fairly easy to build. all i have done is ask questions about how and what i need to know to build a boat. i have never been "bent out of shape" or experessed any anger. lets put this to rest and get back on topic.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Bell <yonderman@...> wrote:
>
> Every time I've suggested to the group this is the same troll that got
> all bent out of shape about his inability to get his Tennessee plans,
> he's emailed me directly to inquire what I'm talking about.
>
> This time is no different. I just got the email. It's the same guy.
>
> Robert, Dick, whoever you are, give it a rest.
>
>
> On 10/4/09, David Cassidy <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> > You cannot tell the exact computer with a 4 place i address.
> > If they were entering the internet at the same entry point,
> > ALL of the numbers would be identical, not just the first two or three
> > groups.
> >
> > What you are seeing is one of Yahoo's many hub addresses.
> >
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Robert wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
> >> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
> >> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
> >>
> >> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
> >> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
> >> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
> >> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
> >> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
> >> are you using four names?
> >>
> >> Guys,
> >>
> >> I still dont get what the deal is with this guy. he is convinced i
> >> am four different people asking questions and answering them myself.
> >> WHO is This guy?? why would i ask questions and answer them myself?
> >> what am i to gain?
> >>
> >>
> >> Dick
> >>
> >> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all
> >>> Yahoo email
> >>> addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are
> >>> pretty
> >>> good.
> >>>
> >>> -p
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread
> >>>> and a
> >>>> "person" chiming in,
> >>>> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
> >>>>
> >>>> eric14850@
> >>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert <dickpensil@>
> >>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
> >>>>
> >>>> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
> >>>> originating subnet:
> >>>>
> >>>> sonny_ryder@
> >>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
> >>>>
> >>>> lonarnecke@
> >>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Bolger rules!!!
> >>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> >>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> >>>> dead
> >>>> horses
> >>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> >>>> posts
> >>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> >>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> >>>> 01930, Fax:
> >>>> (978) 282-1349
> >>>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> Yahoo!
> >>>> Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Bolger rules!!!
> >> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> >> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> >> dead horses
> >> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> >> posts
> >> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> >> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> >> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> >> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>

Every time I've suggested to the group this is the same troll that got
all bent out of shape about his inability to get his Tennessee plans,
he's emailed me directly to inquire what I'm talking about.

This time is no different. I just got the email. It's the same guy.

Robert, Dick, whoever you are, give it a rest.

On 10/4/09, David Cassidy <d.cassidy@...> wrote:
> You cannot tell the exact computer with a 4 place i address.
> If they were entering the internet at the same entry point,
> ALL of the numbers would be identical, not just the first two or three
> groups.
>
> What you are seeing is one of Yahoo's many hub addresses.
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Robert wrote:
>
>> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
>> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
>>
>> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
>> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
>> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
>> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
>> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
>> are you using four names?
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I still dont get what the deal is with this guy. he is convinced i
>> am four different people asking questions and answering them myself.
>> WHO is This guy?? why would i ask questions and answer them myself?
>> what am i to gain?
>>
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all
>>> Yahoo email
>>> addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are
>>> pretty
>>> good.
>>>
>>> -p
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread
>>>> and a
>>>> "person" chiming in,
>>>> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>>>>
>>>> eric14850@...
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>>>>
>>>> Robert <dickpensil@...>
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>>>>
>>>> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
>>>> originating subnet:
>>>>
>>>> sonny_ryder@...
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>>
>>>> lonarnecke@...
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Bolger rules!!!
>>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
>>>> dead
>>>> horses
>>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>>>> posts
>>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>>>> 01930, Fax:
>>>> (978) 282-1349
>>>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Yahoo!
>>>> Groups Links
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Bolger rules!!!
>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
>> dead horses
>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>> posts
>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
>> Fax: (978) 282-1349
>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

You cannot tell the exact computer with a 4 place i address.
If they were entering the internet at the same entry point,
ALL of the numbers would be identical, not just the first two or three
groups.

What you are seeing is one of Yahoo's many hub addresses.

On Oct 4, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Robert wrote:

> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
>
> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
> are you using four names?
>
> Guys,
>
> I still dont get what the deal is with this guy. he is convinced i
> am four different people asking questions and answering them myself.
> WHO is This guy?? why would i ask questions and answer them myself?
> what am i to gain?
>
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>>
>> Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all
>> Yahoo email
>> addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are
>> pretty
>> good.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread
>>> and a
>>> "person" chiming in,
>>> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>>>
>>> eric14850@...
>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>>>
>>> Robert <dickpensil@...>
>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>>>
>>> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
>>> originating subnet:
>>>
>>> sonny_ryder@...
>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>
>>> lonarnecke@...
>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Bolger rules!!!
>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
>>> dead
>>> horses
>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
>>> posts
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>>> 01930, Fax:
>>> (978) 282-1349
>>> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>> Yahoo!
>>> Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

I'm with Bruce. It's the same guy.

On 10/4/09, Robert <dickpensil@...> wrote:
> From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
> To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
> Subject: Re: sock pupper?
>
> Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
> computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
> different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
> about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
> four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
> are you using four names?
>
> Guys,
>
> I still dont get what the deal is with this guy. he is convinced i am four
> different people asking questions and answering them myself. WHO is This
> guy?? why would i ask questions and answer them myself? what am i to gain?
>
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>>
>> Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all Yahoo
>> email
>> addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are pretty
>> good.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
>> > "person" chiming in,
>> > and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>> >
>> > eric14850@...
>> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>> >
>> > Robert <dickpensil@...>
>> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>> >
>> > And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
>> > originating subnet:
>> >
>> > sonny_ryder@...
>> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>> >
>> > lonarnecke@...
>> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>> >
>> >
>> > What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Bolger rules!!!
>> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
>> > horses
>> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
>> > Fax:
>> > (978) 282-1349
>> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo!
>> > Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

--
Sent from my mobile device

From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
To: Robert <dickpensil@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 1:57:48 PM
Subject: Re: sock pupper?

Can you explain why these four "people" all are using the same
computer to send messages to the group? The probability of four
different "people" all sharing the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet is
about a million to one. The only reasonable conclusion is that these
four "people" are actually one person using four different names. Why
are you using four names?

Guys,

I still dont get what the deal is with this guy. he is convinced i am four different people asking questions and answering them myself. WHO is This guy?? why would i ask questions and answer them myself? what am i to gain?


Dick

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>
> Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all Yahoo email
> addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are pretty
> good.
>
> -p
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> > Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
> > "person" chiming in,
> > and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
> >
> > eric14850@...
> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
> >
> > Robert <dickpensil@...>
> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
> >
> > And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
> > originating subnet:
> >
> > sonny_ryder@...
> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
> >
> > lonarnecke@...
> > X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
> >
> >
> > What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
> > horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
> > (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:

>
> David,
>
> Thank you for promptly setting me straight.
> I will NOT make the mistake of promoting ______ again!
> I have bought plans from Payson at Instant Boats and been very satisfied with correspondence and plans.
> Eric
>

Sorry about the NO NO NO, Eric - that was a bit of an over reaction on my part! It wasn't really aiming at "setting you straight," in any case, just trying to get the word out to everyone.

Years ago - long before I knew better, but after Bernie Wolfard sold the business - I bought (non-Bolger)kayak plans from that same company. They sucked, and the kayak I built from them was such a laughably pathetic design that I gave it away a month later. I chalked that up as a learning experience, but have been vocal about _____ ever since.
Bernie was great, though.
Dave

The Sneakeasy is not the new one with the box keel or cutwater, or so I understand.  That one is obtained from PB&F...

Well... that's not quite _the_ BRICK. Not drawn for Dynamite either, I think. I wonder if it has a sailing rig? The 59 LOM? I've often wondered why Dynamite doesn't offer BRICK and, more so, _the_ STORM PETREL drawn for him.

Payson's paper catalogue and paper dory catalogue have more Bolger designs than are shown at the site plans page.

Graeme~~~~___/) ~ ~

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Payson has the Brick plans for sale
>
>http://www.instantboats.com/brick.htm
>
> HJ

David,

Thank you for promptly setting me straight.
I will NOT make the mistake of promoting Common Sense Boats again!
Hopefully this post is the last time I even mention it.

I most certainly was not familiar with the present situation with Common Sense which I was more familiar with when it started and believe then believe had legitimately contracted with Bolger regarding plans. You need not clutter the list with an explanation of what happened since.

I have bought plans from Payson at Instant Boats and been very satisfied with correspondence and plans.
Eric

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:
> >
> >http://www.common-sense-boats.com/
> >http://www.instantboats.com/
> > . . . .
>
> NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends.
>
> Instantboats.com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.
>

Bruce,

Much to my regret, when Sonny said he'd sent money for Tennessee
plans to Suzanne but was eager to get going I sent him a scan of the
SBJ article that includes the drawings in order to get started. Then,
the weirdness began.

Dick does not sound like he's got those plans.

On Oct 3, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:

> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
> "person" chiming in,
> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>

Coincidence, unlucky timing, and similarity of topic put several posters in a situation where there was some doubt if they were ligit or were trying to continue posting under new names after some rather not very nice posts.  Not very nice at all.  Give Bruce 4 or 5 more chances, you won't regret it!

Fellows . . . new and old . . .

We are all a little "touchy" right now -- especially those of us who
have been on this group for a long time -- because of Phil's recent
and sudden passing. We all have marveled at and appreciated Susanne's
open communication with this group, at a time when she must have
trouble just getting through the day sometimes.

Many of us are feeling a little "protective" of Susanne right now,
and when a few (or the same one several times) posters came on here
with an attitude like they have some kind of right to tell Susanne how
to run her business -- especially at such a difficult time -- that
protective attitude kicks into overdrive.

I suggest we all go back to our corners, assume this latest poster is
legit (and he has access to the Brick plans through instantboats.com,
so he can go right ahead and get started), and let's all sit back and
wait for Susanne to tell us what her next move will be.

Not trying to be a forum cop -- just my opinion.

David C

On Oct 3, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Robert wrote:

> i was being silly. i am just curious why he picked me to compare to
> other members. people who are new to this are going to have
> questions about availability, how user friendly plans are etc. if
> this is offensive to bruce then what is the purpose of this board? I
> thought this was a place to get information and answers to
> questions. so far it has been but twice now someone has made
> comments on my motive. what is up with that? I just want to learn as
> much as possible and build my own boat...just like the rest of you
> did.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce has built a number of Bolger designs. He has also produced a
>> nice set
>> of renderings of various Bolger designs that I have found useful and
>> inspiring.
>>
>> -p
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Robert <dickpensil@...> wrote:
>>
>>> bruce
>>>
>>> you really need to get a set of plans and start on a boat. you are
>>> comparing ip's of members who are discussing legitimate bolger
>>> issues. seems
>>> like you are on some kind of witch hunt for some reason.
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread
>>>> and a
>>>> "person" chiming in,
>>>> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>>>>
>>>> eric14850@
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>>>>
>>>> Robert <dickpensil@>
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>>>>
>>>> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
>>>> originating subnet:
>>>>
>>>> sonny_ryder@
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>>
>>>> lonarnecke@
>>>> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> dead
>>> horses
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>>> posts
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
>>> 01930, Fax:
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>>>
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>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
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Bruce has built a number of Bolger designs. He has also produced a nice set of renderings of various Bolger designs that I have found useful and inspiring.

-p

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Robert<dickpensil@...>wrote:

bruce

you really need to get a set of plans and start on a boat. you are comparing ip's of members who are discussing legitimate bolger issues. seems like you are on some kind of witch hunt for some reason.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
> "person" chiming in,
> and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>

> eric14850@...

> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>

> Robert <dickpensil@...>

> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>
> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
> originating subnet:
>

> sonny_ryder@...

> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>

> lonarnecke@...

> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>
>
> What are the odds of that?  This smells of sock puppetry.
>




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Those IP addresses all belong to Yahoo... and since they're all Yahoo email addresses, I would say the odds of that happening innocently are pretty good.

-p

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bruce Hallman<hallman@...>wrote:

Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
"person" chiming in,
and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.

eric14850@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158

Robert <dickpensil@...>
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159

And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
originating subnet:

sonny_ryder@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152

lonarnecke@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152


What are the odds of that?  This smells of sock puppetry.

------------------------------------

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- Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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Not necessarily sock puppetry at all.

They're all Yahoo IP addresses, so it only means they all may have posted the
message on-line via the Yahoo Groups page.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hallman" <hallman@...>


> Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
> "person" chiming in, and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.
>
>eric14850@...
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158
>
> Robert <dickpensil@...>
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159
>
> And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
> originating subnet:
>
>sonny_ryder@...
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>
>lonarnecke@...
> X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152
>
>
> What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.

Check the originating IP's for the "person" starting this thread and a
"person" chiming in,
and they come from the same 66.163.16x.xxx IP subnet.

eric14850@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158

Robert <dickpensil@...>
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159

And then you look back at the two other recent flame wars, same
originating subnet:

sonny_ryder@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152

lonarnecke@...
X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152


What are the odds of that? This smells of sock puppetry.

Arrggghhh. Forgot to clip the extra on this last post. Pet peeve of mine that most of us don't do that.

Also want to add that I've got a set of Hawkeye plans bought from Bolger about 4 years ago. I find them, along with the key, very thorough and clear. It is apparent to me I can cut out a 'kit' of plywood parts and then assemble a Hawkeye from that kit.

Don Schultz

It is "touchy" because 'Common Sense' is a thief.
Also the versions they are selling are not up to date. IE, Martha Jane was significantly changed for seaworthiness. I would only consider building the latest Bolger version

Instantboats.com does have a limited catalog. Although not well organized, you can use the advanced search on this group to glean info about Bolger designs that will suit you.

Bruce Hallman has nice 3D renderings of several Bolger designs up on Flicker. No specs.

For all of Bolger's genius, he had NO sense of marketing. That's not quite right. He was eccentric and wished to market in his own consultative manner. He depended on 'word of mouth', meaning us here on this group, and others to promote his work. He wished to be approached as a kind of guru. YOu make your desires known to him, and then pronounces what he deemed best. He wasn't fond of just selling a set of Tennesee, or Fast Motor Sailer, or Micro plans unless he understood those designs really fit your needs and wants.

Well, that won't work anymore. Suzanne may want to follow portions of Bolger's model but has also made it clear she wishes to move into a more conventional model.

This is a period of waiting for the widow to get her program together. I think PB&F will, over the next several months, bring the more popular Bolger designs to market better than ever before. She may also promote some of the lesser known designs.

If you NEED to start a project this month a Bolger design not on Instant Boats isn't going to work for you. If you can wait a bit, you can get what you want later.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <dickpensil@...> wrote:
>
> ok i know this is a touchy subject for some reason but if Mrs. Bolger is't selling plans right now and there is no catalogue or web site showing his plans then how do we get plans from Phil Bolger and Friends? Next question is how can you find out what plans are available and what kind of boat they depict.
>
> I myself would rather buy from Bolger than pay someone who isn't paying a mans widow royaltys. I plan to build a brick first as a tender for a Tennessee or Sneakeasy and just to get my hands dirty. I havent seen plans for either of the sharpies and i assume Mrs. Bolder is in possession of them. I am in no hurry for one of those plans so it isnt pressing right now but when i am ready to tackle the bigger boat i hope i can get those plans from boldger and friends so that the proceeds go to her and not someone bootlegging his plans.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:
> > >
> > >http://www.common-sense-boats.com/
> > >http://www.instantboats.com/
> > > . . . .
> >
> > NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends.
> >
> > Instantboats.com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.
> >
>

Payson has the Brick plans for sale

http://www.instantboats.com/brick.htm

HJ

Robert wrote:

> ok i know this is a touchy subject for some reason but if Mrs. Bolger is't selling plans right now and there is no catalogue or web site showing his plans then how do we get plans from Phil Bolger and Friends? Next question is how can you find out what plans are available and what kind of boat they depict.
>
> I myself would rather buy from Bolger than pay someone who isn't paying a mans widow royaltys. I plan to build a brick first as a tender for a Tennessee or Sneakeasy and just to get my hands dirty. I havent seen plans for either of the sharpies and i assume Mrs. Bolder is in possession of them. I am in no hurry for one of those plans so it isnt pressing right now but when i am ready to tackle the bigger boat i hope i can get those plans from boldger and friends so that the proceeds go to her and not someone bootlegging his plans.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry" <alias1719@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.common-sense-boats.com/
>>>http://www.instantboats.com/
>>> . . . .
>>>
>> NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends.
>>
>> Instantboats.com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

On Oct 2, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Robert wrote:

> ok i know this is a touchy subject for some reason but if Mrs.
> Bolger is't selling plans right now and there is no catalogue or web
> site showing his plans then how do we get plans from Phil Bolger and
> Friends?

The simple answer is . . . you don't. We may not like the way PB&F do
business, but it was always their choice to run their business as they
see fit -- and now that choice is Susanne's. If people don't like the
"quirky" way PB&F does business, there are lots of boat plans out
their from lots of other designers.

> Next question is how can you find out what plans are available and
> what kind of boat they depict.
>

Susanne has told us that soon she will have a more organized presence
on the Net. How that plays out is her choice. We are ll always welcome
to go elewhere. Until then, you can get a copy of "Boats With an Open
Mind," and look around the INternet for information on Bolger designs.

> I myself would rather buy from Bolger than pay someone who isn't
> paying a mans widow royaltys. I plan to build a brick first as a
> tender for a Tennessee or Sneakeasy and just to get my hands dirty.
> I havent seen plans for either of the sharpies and i assume Mrs.
> Bolder is in possession of them.

You can buy plans for both Brick and Sneakeasy from Dynamite Payson (www.instantboats.com
). He is the only authorized seller of the Bolger plans he carries.
He has plans for many Bolger designs.

Until Susanne decides to do business in some other manner, if you want
Bolger designs, you have to deal with her on her terms -- ie. mail/
fax . . . wait for reply. No one is forcing any of us to build Bolger
boats, and we don't have any "right" to build them. The plans belong
to Susanne, and she can sell them (or not) as she likes.

DC

Robert,

Brick and Sneakeasy are both available fromPayson.  They are very prompt.  I got Windsprint plans within a week via USPS.

V/R
Chris

Robert wrote:

ok i know this is a touchy subject for some reason but if Mrs. Bolger is't selling plans right now and there is no catalogue or web site showing his plans then how do we get plans from Phil Bolger and Friends? Next question is how can  you find out what plans are available and what kind of boat they depict. 

I myself would rather buy from Bolger than pay someone who isn't paying a mans widow royaltys. I plan to build a brick first as a tender for a Tennessee or Sneakeasy and just to get my hands dirty. I havent seen plans for either of the sharpies and i assume Mrs. Bolder is in possession of them. I am in no hurry for one of those plans so it isnt pressing right now but when i am ready to tackle the bigger boat i hope i can get those plans from boldger and friends so that the proceeds go to her and not someone bootlegging his plans.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Gentry"<alias1719@...>wrote:

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@> wrote:

http://www.common-sense-boats.com/http://www.instantboats.com/. . . .

NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends. 

Instantboats.com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:

>
>http://www.common-sense-boats.com/
>http://www.instantboats.com/
> . . . .

NO NO NO . . . Common Sense boats, in their present incarnation, are pirating Phil Bolger designs - refusing to pay royalties, etc - and Phil Bolger and Friends have long asked that we not do business with them. And, I thought it was the consensus here to boycott them. All the Bolger designs "offered" by CSD can legitimately be had from Phil Bolger and Friends.

Instantboats.com, on the other hand, is indeed an excellent and legitimate source of plans for Mr. Bolger's designs.

Instant boats is supported by Bolger(PB&F), Common-Sense is not.  Search and read over past messages.  Apparently there are issues with payment of royalties and quality of copies.  Also you will not get plans with updates that have been made over, I'd say 15 years.  And, you can't call the design firm to get answers on problems you may have.

Phil Bolger once wrote (I forget where) that when he got to the pearly gates and St. Peter asked, "What is your excuse?" he would reply, "I design small boats."  and St. Peter would have to let him in.

http://www.common-sense-boats.com/
http://www.instantboats.com/

Will get you plans to very good Bolger boat plans; all of which do what they claim to do, and all of which someone with enough skill to mix a cake mix of epoxi thickener and swing a hammer without breaking the other thumb too many times can build.

If you really want to build a boat look at the boat plans, pick one that you like and think you can build, buy the plans and start building it. DO NOT PICK THE BOAT YOU THINK YOU CAN BUILD UNLESS IT IS A BOAT YOU REALLY ***l*i*k*e***. All the plans from these two sources are very buildable and require a similar level of skill to build regardless of appearance. If you are dreaming of a larger cruising boat, pick a boat plan that will make a great dinghy for that dream cruiser.

Bolger designed two boats that row/sail/power equally well. One looks really weird unless you take it to Bangkok and then it will look right at home (Thomaston Galley if I remember correctly. Choosing one of these boats means you won't have to choose what sort of boating you want to do. You will be able to do it all, well, and get to experiment in any ways you choose with rigs, oar design etc. if you don't want to follow Bolgers recommendations.

Building time? A few weeks a few hundred dollars.

An AS29 I'll estimate at 2000 hours and $12,000 to $15,000. (Anyone got an accurate accounting of their building time for their AS29?) I expect the source of AS29 plans is Bolger Assoc. If these or other large or complicated boat plans are what you are impatiently waiting for, stop pacing around and build a boat from the above sources. The time and experience will more than pay for themselves in saving and quality of workmanship on the larger boat.

As for metric vs Standard: I hate metric. It has no relationship to the universe. The French got it wrong right along with their other brilliant idea of the same time period the 32 hour day. Somehow metric measurement didn't go the way of the 32 hour day and people keep trying to foist it on folks who want their world to have more connection with the universe. The inch is very close to the pyramid inch which relates to the cubit all of which have an amazingly close relationship with cosmic measurements which we can accurately measure today and to which metric has no close relationship.

I find building to feet-inches-eights to be very quick and satisfying. Once used to it, I never made any mistakes I wouldn't have made with a metric rule. When I started building my cruising boat after building a couple of "instant" skiffs from Harold Payson, I had no one to ask what 6-11-5 meant and was building my boat before I was really confident the 5 was 5/8". The 6 was obviously feet and the 11 probably was inches, in which case the 5 had to be eights because if it was sixteenths somewhere in this table of offsets there would be an number over 7.

Now you know more than I knew when I started building boats.

Lastly, don't believe anyone about how much time and money it will cost you to build a boat. You can do this and that to save money and do it for half as much. A third as much! If you believe us you will realise building a boat will not get you on the water as cheaply or nearly as quickly as buying a used boat, and you will never have the satisfaction of saying, "Yes, I built my boat".