Re: On topic
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Not a Coot. Just a fellow I've been talking to for the last year, who's now ready to go with several projects on the ketch.
>
> ***************
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon n Wanda" <windyjon@> wrote:
> >
> > My good man David would this be for anyone I know in Portland.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
> > >
> > > How about y'all?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David G
> > > Harbor Woodworks
> > > Portland, OR
> > >
> >
>
Thanks for the knowledgeable advice. I have copied and saved it.
Regards trying to use cheap non-boat materials. Your time is worth something more significant than the cost of materials. Ease of use as well as cost are a factor as well. I tried PL glues and Sikaflex and probably 5200 as well. Epoxi turned out to be cheaper when bought in quantity, and far easier to use and get good results. The more so after I got some experience using it. Use little boats to get building skills with materials and techniques you will use on larger craft.
After building a Bolger boat you will find that you have a far more worthy boat than the sandbox it may appear to be. I built a Teal and someone with a very complex dinghy challenged me to a rowing race. Joke. His fancy dinghy neither towed nor rowed nearly as well as mine.
Eric
(Yellow jacket in Bolger memorial service photos. Thankfully IP discussion has been declared off topic. Treat everyone with the honesty, respect, and courtesy one would like to be treated with and all will be well. Trolls leave when they have no juice to suck on.)
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon n Wanda" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> If this is one of the real gutter sealents used by pros like Gutermans Choice it works poorly on wood. If water gets in it loses its bond. It is not like a silicone it is more like 3M3200 but not as good on wood. 3M3200 works best on wood that is sealed. GC works great on steel and aluminum like aluminum boats that leak at seams and rivets.
>
> Jon
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <dickpensil@> wrote:
> >
> > i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene. instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun. do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks like a sieve.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
> > >
> > > How about y'all?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David G
> > > Harbor Woodworks
> > > Portland, OR
> > >
> >
>
Duckworks sells Michael Storer plans for a hopped up PD Racer and has recently made plans for a 12 ft. version called PD Goose.
I always thought that the ultra simple PDR is a racing class that PCB would approve of….
JohnT
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf OfBrianA
Sent:Monday, October 05, 2009
11:31 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: On topic
Robert,
I was also thinking of the PD Racer or one of its cousins -- useful little
boat, very simple, not too much material, the plans are free to download and so
instantly available, and a troll through pdracer.com and Duckworks would turn
up some examples that could be both useful boats and the envy of the
neighborhood as a swimming pool pirate ship or whatever with a little extra
imagination.
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com,
Gene Tehansky <goldranger02- boats@... > wrote:
>w:st="on">Abilene .
> Dick,
> I'm not sure of the reasons but silicone anything isn't the way to
> go. Check out pdracer.com for some ideas about the assembly of a
> slightly modified Brick. Also, if you want even more info on the
> construction details of this type of boat go to Duckworks magazine
> online (quick search) and check out the OZ pdracer plans by Michael
> Storer. Thise two sources will provide you with info on altfernative
> glues and construction techniques. Best not to use silicone.
> Weldwood plastic resin glue ( powder mixed with water), pl premium
> construction adhesive, pl premium concrete repair construction
> adhesive (both in tubes), Titebond III waterbase waterproof glue
> (water cleanup, non toxic).... There are many other choices, most
> requiring more accurate joints than epoxy. Please look into them...
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 4 Oct, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> > i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an
> > idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going
> > to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in
> > instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a"David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is
> > alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this
> > isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun.
> > do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the
> > pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can
> > always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks
> > like a sieve.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com,
> > >partly-
> > > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a
> > done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 footw:st="on">OR
> > Garden ketch.
> > >
> > > How about y'all?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David G
> > > Harbor Woodworks
> > > Portland ,
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BrianA" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> I was also thinking of the PD Racer or one of its cousins -- useful little boat, very simple, not too much material, the plans are free to download and so instantly available, and a troll through pdracer.com and Duckworks would turn up some examples that could be both useful boats and the envy of the neighborhood as a swimming pool pirate ship or whatever with a little extra imagination.
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@> wrote:
> >
> > Dick,
> > I'm not sure of the reasons but silicone anything isn't the way to
> > go. Check out pdracer.com for some ideas about the assembly of a
> > slightly modified Brick. Also, if you want even more info on the
> > construction details of this type of boat go to Duckworks magazine
> > online (quick search) and check out the OZ pdracer plans by Michael
> > Storer. Thise two sources will provide you with info on altfernative
> > glues and construction techniques. Best not to use silicone.
> > Weldwood plastic resin glue ( powder mixed with water), pl premium
> > construction adhesive, pl premium concrete repair construction
> > adhesive (both in tubes), Titebond III waterbase waterproof glue
> > (water cleanup, non toxic).... There are many other choices, most
> > requiring more accurate joints than epoxy. Please look into them...
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Gene T.
> >
> > On 4 Oct, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Robert wrote:
> >
> > > i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an
> > > idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going
> > > to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene.
> > > instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a
> > > tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is
> > > alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this
> > > isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun.
> > > do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the
> > > pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can
> > > always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks
> > > like a sieve.
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-
> > > done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot
> > > Garden ketch.
> > > >
> > > > How about y'all?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > David G
> > > > Harbor Woodworks
> > > > Portland, OR
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
I was also thinking of the PD Racer or one of its cousins -- useful little boat, very simple, not too much material, the plans are free to download and so instantly available, and a troll through pdracer.com and Duckworks would turn up some examples that could be both useful boats and the envy of the neighborhood as a swimming pool pirate ship or whatever with a little extra imagination.
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>
> Dick,
> I'm not sure of the reasons but silicone anything isn't the way to
> go. Check out pdracer.com for some ideas about the assembly of a
> slightly modified Brick. Also, if you want even more info on the
> construction details of this type of boat go to Duckworks magazine
> online (quick search) and check out the OZ pdracer plans by Michael
> Storer. Thise two sources will provide you with info on altfernative
> glues and construction techniques. Best not to use silicone.
> Weldwood plastic resin glue ( powder mixed with water), pl premium
> construction adhesive, pl premium concrete repair construction
> adhesive (both in tubes), Titebond III waterbase waterproof glue
> (water cleanup, non toxic).... There are many other choices, most
> requiring more accurate joints than epoxy. Please look into them...
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 4 Oct, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> > i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an
> > idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going
> > to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene.
> > instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a
> > tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is
> > alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this
> > isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun.
> > do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the
> > pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can
> > always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks
> > like a sieve.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-
> > done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot
> > Garden ketch.
> > >
> > > How about y'all?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David G
> > > Harbor Woodworks
> > > Portland, OR
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
thanks for the welcome. i hadnt planned on actually nailing as much as using some good wood screws. if i am right the brick is app. 8 x 4 which is pretty big for a pool but kids dont mind that much. our pool is 20 x 40 so they should be able to float around and paddle it. i probably wont use or build the sail rig though. i just want to get my hands dirty trying the concept. this is my first boat so i thought i would go small. is there a design that is smaller than brick but along the same lines? maybe a "brickette" lol
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> Robert, if you want some stickum from the box store, the best for
> nail and glue construction is PL premium.
>
> A Brick is an awfully large raft for any swimming pool, if that's
> what you mean. It _will_ make a great sand box. The sail rig is
> about half the project.
>
> To suit your stated purpose and still have something left over to
> motor, you might consider building Payson's Bolger Skimmer. It's the
> same set of lessons. You need a good book to explain a lot of these
> things, why not order Instant Boats or/and Build the New Instant Boats?
>
> Welcome aboard,
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> > i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an
> > idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going
> > to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene.
> > instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a
> > tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is
> > alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this
> > isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for
> > fun. do you think this will work for just a few summer months in
> > the pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can
> > always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks
> > like a sieve.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-
> >> done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot
> >> Garden ketch.
> >>
> >> How about y'all?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> David G
> >> Harbor Woodworks
> >> Portland, OR
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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> > 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene. instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun. do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks like a sieve.
Dick
--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "David" <arbordg@... > wrote:
>
> Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
>
> How about y'all?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
> Harbor Woodworks
> Portland, OR
>
***************
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jon n Wanda" <windyjon@...> wrote:
>
> My good man David would this be for anyone I know in Portland.
>
> Jon
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
> >
> > How about y'all?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David G
> > Harbor Woodworks
> > Portland, OR
> >
>
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> I've got the Cruising Canoe from SBJ#4 in the works, just as a
> paddling monohull. Panels are sprung w/ gun'ls and chines on. I 2x'd
> the magazine pages to pick out the sheer and put them onto the EEEK!
> bottom.
Sounds cool, Mark.I had a good time paddling theEeek!I built. The short length was great for poking into little nooks and creeks around the lake. It was easy to haul around, too, without the ballast needed for sailing.
Looking forward to seeing pics!
Dave Gentry
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <dickpensil@...> wrote:
>
> i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene. instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for fun. do you think this will work for just a few summer months in the pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks like a sieve.
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
> >
> > How about y'all?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > David G
> > Harbor Woodworks
> > Portland, OR
> >
>
Jon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
>
> How about y'all?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
> Harbor Woodworks
> Portland, OR
>
Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
How about y'all?
Cheers,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR
<instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters > I agree with Mark as I have had great success using PL Premium Construction Adhesive at $3.99 per tube from the hardware store on a couple small boats that I didn't want to use epoxy on. I also have used DAP Acrylic Caulk on a small dinghy, but only as a sealant between plywood and sticks that were held together by screws, drywall screws at that.. Rick --- OnSun, 10/4/09, Mark Albanese<marka97203@...>wrote: |
nail and glue construction is PL premium.
A Brick is an awfully large raft for any swimming pool, if that's
what you mean. It _will_ make a great sand box. The sail rig is
about half the project.
To suit your stated purpose and still have something left over to
motor, you might consider building Payson's Bolger Skimmer. It's the
same set of lessons. You need a good book to explain a lot of these
things, why not order Instant Boats or/and Build the New Instant Boats?
Welcome aboard,
Mark
On Oct 4, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Robert wrote:
> i am planning on building a brick. i am just building it to get an
> idea what it is like to build with plywood. it probably isnt going
> to be used a lot since we dont have a decent lake in Abilene.
> instead of using epoxy to seal the seams i was thinking of using a
> tube of sealent that is used for sealing gutters on the house.it is
> alot like tar but is a silicone compound of some sort. i know this
> isnt the prefered way but as i said it is just a test build for
> fun. do you think this will work for just a few summer months in
> the pool. my grandkids will think it is a blast and i figure i can
> always fill it with sand for my grandkids to play in when i leaks
> like a sieve.
>
> Dick
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>>
>> Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-
>> done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot
>> Garden ketch.
>>
>> How about y'all?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David G
>> Harbor Woodworks
>> Portland, OR
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
> 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
How about y'all?
Cheers,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR__
The only problem you may have is if you are going to paint the boat, paint does not stick on silicone and you may end up with large fish eyes on the areas contaminated by the silicone. To avoid that you may spray a light washcoat of 2# cut shellac before painting, so you can create a barrier between the silicone and the coating. Giuliano --- OnMon, 10/5/09, Robert<dickpensil@...>wrote:
|
Dick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "David" <arbordg@...> wrote:
>
> Looks like my next Bolger project will be finishing off a partly-done Cartopper that a client bought as a tender for his 38 foot Garden ketch.
>
> How about y'all?
>
> Cheers,
> David G
> Harbor Woodworks
> Portland, OR
>
How about y'all?
Cheers,
David G
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR