Re: [bolger] Re: 25' Chebacco?

> PCB: "This was supposed to be the next step in the Story Boatbuilding
> Chebacco series, but Story has been at full stretch on custom work. A
> boat to this design ins under construction in Australia. It's
> basically a stretch of the rounded-side, clinker planked version of
> the Chebacco 20 cat-yawl, with a raised deck instead of the
> 20-footer's trun, for more cabin space and more buoyancy in knockdowns
> (the trunk-cabin boats have not had any problems, but more buoyancy is
> always better.)
>
> "The keel was made 4" deeper, to take advantage of the 20-footer's
> surprising ability to sail with her centerboard fully raised.
>
> "The 25-footer could stand a lot more sail, but the 20-footer is the
> same breadth and underwater section, and doesn't have a lot more
> wetted surface. Neither has any ballast. The motor installation is
> so efficient and convenient that there isn't much hesitation to start
> the motor when the wind drops, while the sort rig is a blessing in a
> squall."
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> In one of the Bolger Yahoo group databases there is the following reference:
>>
>> Chebacco 25 #602 25'4''x7'11'' PB&F Ref: MAIB V#12No 4
>>
>> Has anyone got MAIB Volume 12 #4? It would be interesting to see what Phil said about the Chebacco 25 in that article.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> In one of the Bolger Yahoo group databases there is the following reference:
>
> Chebacco 25 #602 25'4''x7'11'' PB&F Ref: MAIB V#12No 4
>
> Has anyone got MAIB Volume 12 #4? It would be interesting to see what Phil said about the Chebacco 25 in that article.
>
> Andrew

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> For some time I have been playing with the drawings in BWAOM and have some incomplete CAD sketches of the Chebacco 20 (Lapstrake version) and 25 derived from the tables of offsets.
>
> I was trying to compare their sizes and shapes.
>
> I have posted some of my sketches here:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Chebacco%2025'/
>
> (Please excuse the fact that they are just sketches and not all of the lines meet up etc.)
>
> You can immediately see how similar the hull section shapes are. Phil Bolger has stretched the distance between stations on the 25 and has added freeboard.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Kimbro, Ray (N-SAIC)" <ray.kimbro@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Folks -
> >
> > I read a brief mention of a 25' Chebacco on the Chebacco News site. If y'all would entertain some questions, I've got a few.
> >
> >
> > 1) Did Mr. Bolger design this, or did someone extrapolate #s to extend the 20' plans?
> >
> > 2) Has one of these actually launched?
> >
> > 3) If so, how does it sail?
> >
> > 4) Any pics?
> >
> > I've been very fond of the Chebacco design since I first saw it in the early 90s - but, the 20' version is just a bit small for my family. I think that the 25' would make a great trailerable daysailer for the family, long-weekend cruiser for myself, and mebbe one other kid (I'm a horrible packrat, and tend to overpack for everything).
> >
> > So - if anyone knows of a 25' Chebacco, I'd be very interested in chatting w/the builder and/or owner.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>

 

This raises the question of crazing. When you epoxy a flat piece of
plywood and then flex it, you load the convex surface in tension and the
concave surface in compression. What keeps them from cracking?

V/R
Chris

eric14850 wrote:
> If I were building in lapstrake I would epoxi a layer of fiberglass to both sides of the plywood sheets before cutting the strakes to protect the plywood and provide a good surface for paint. It would allow using fir plywood which needs something done to the surface if paint is to look good on it.
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill" <wetherillc@...> wrote:
>
> This raises the question of crazing. When you epoxy a flat piece of
> plywood and then flex it, you load the convex surface in tension and the
> concave surface in compression. What keeps them from cracking?
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> eric14850 wrote:
> > If I were building in lapstrake I would epoxi a layer of fiberglass to both sides of the plywood sheets before cutting the strakes to protect the plywood and provide a good surface for paint. It would allow using fir plywood which needs something done to the surface if paint is to look good on it.
> >
> >
>

>
> Chebacco 20 plans are in Payson's new book

This raises the question of crazing.  When you epoxy a flat piece of 
plywood and then flex it, you load the convex surface in tension and the 
concave surface in compression.  What keeps them from cracking?

V/R
Chris

eric14850 wrote:

If I were building in lapstrake I would epoxi a layer of fiberglass to both sides of the plywood sheets before cutting the strakes to protect the plywood and provide a good surface for paint. It would allow using fir plywood which needs something done to the surface if paint is to look good on it.

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> If I were building in lapstrake I would epoxi a layer of fiberglass to both sides of the plywood sheets before cutting the strakes to protect the plywood and provide a good surface for paint. It would allow using fir plywood which needs something done to the surface if paint is to look good on it.
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> The 25 is on page 230 of BWOM.
>
> HJ
>
> Kimbro, Ray (N-SAIC) wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK -- I can't seem to find any study plans or line drawings for this
> > -- just a nebulous mention of one having been built. If PCB did
> > indeed do a 25' Chebacco design, that's indeed where I'd prefer to
> > start. I just haven't found such a thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > ,___
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
> > The 25-footer could carry a lot more sail, but we kept the
> > rig of the
> > 20-footer practically unchanged because it had proved
> > so handy to rig and un-rig.
>
> In fact, it's not the rig. It's neither the same shape or the same
sail area. I suspect the text was written, and the rig changed later.
PCB's books are well edited and there aren't many errors, but there are
a few.
>
> (Just sitting here editing my own message, it occurs that perhaps he
didn't mean it to be taken so literally, only that it was a similar
cat-yawl.)
>

OK – I can’t seem to find any study plans or line drawings for this – just a nebulous mention of one having been built.  If PCB did indeed do a 25’ Chebacco design, that’s indeed where I’d prefer to start.  I just haven’t found such a thing.

 

,___

> The 25-footer could carry a lot more sail, but we kept the
> rig of the
> 20-footer practically unchanged because it had proved
> so handy to rig and un-rig.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Michael Kline<kura1in2@...>wrote:

An interesting observation.  However, with all due respect to Mr. Hawking and Mr. Nichols, I would contend that in boating and especially in design, the interest level goes up with the number of sketches or diagrams.  Bolger's series of design books for instance.

Michael Kline
Chicago, Illinois

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Kimbro, Ray (N-SAIC)<ray.kimbro@...>wrote:

OK – I can’t seem to find any study plans or line drawings for this – just a nebulous mention of one having been built.  If PCB did indeed do a 25’ Chebacco design, that’s indeed where I’d prefer to start.  I just haven’t found such a thing.

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfJohn Bell
Sent:Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:28 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: 25' Chebacco?

I think you missed where Bolger designed a 25' Chebacco....

It's a nice looking boat.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:55 PM, eric14850 <eric14850@...> wrote:

Yes, stability increases with length as well as with width, but to a much lesser degree.

I strongly recommend not simply expanding all the measurements of the Chebacco to reach 25' That could produce an unseaworthy monstosity. However, simply lengthening Chebacco might produce a reasonable boat. The building time might not be much different because curves would be lengthened making building easier. (My own boat would have been quicker to build had I stretched it the four feet I considered stretching it. It would be faster, more stable, better looking, have better storage and it would be easier to add auxiliary power.) Incorporating more complicated interior elements is another story. It is not just length and weight that increase building time. Complicated elements in the interior can cost more time by far than the hull and deck.

Frankly, I like the Chebacco just the way it is. Lengthening it might produce a faster more capable boat but that is by no means certain. Change things and the art of it could easily be lost, and I am not speaking simply of the beauty of the boat, though with Chebacco that is a very important consideration. Chebacco is an uncommonly beautiful boat. I am afraid I must vote with the person or persons who suggested looking into other designs of a similar style in the 25' range. At least consult with someone with more design experience than we seem to possess. Model building might help as well.

Eric

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you google "Simon Jones Mudlark" you will find a few references to a 25'
> > chebacco made in South Australia about 7 years ago. It appears it was
> > completed as there is a recent reference too. I would love to see a picture
> > of Mudlark though.
> >
> > The design is Bolger's and is shown in Boats With an Open Mind. It has a
> > 9' raised deck style cuddy cabin and 7' cockpit.
> >
> > I can't see why, if it is virtually the same beam as the 20', almost
> > identical underwater section as the 20' and similar rig height (in BWAOM
> > Bolger suggested using the same rig as the 20')why it shouldn't have similar
> > stability as the 20'. It is heavier at 2200 lb and has higher freeboard.
> >
>
> It should have more stability, since there's a positive-going length term in
> the stability equation. Don't remember what the exponent is off the top,
> tho. It should also be able to recover from a larger angle of heel due to
> its higher free-board.
>
>
> >
> > I am attracted to the design and am not sure why others haven't been built.
> > Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.
> >
>
> 25' is a large boat to built alone. That probably explains it.
>
> -p
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Kimbro, Ray (N-SAIC)" <ray.kimbro@...> wrote:
>
>
> Folks -
>
> I read a brief mention of a 25' Chebacco on the Chebacco News site. If y'all would entertain some questions, I've got a few.
>
>
> 1) Did Mr. Bolger design this, or did someone extrapolate #s to extend the 20' plans?
>
> 2) Has one of these actually launched?
>
> 3) If so, how does it sail?
>
> 4) Any pics?
>
> I've been very fond of the Chebacco design since I first saw it in the early 90s - but, the 20' version is just a bit small for my family. I think that the 25' would make a great trailerable daysailer for the family, long-weekend cruiser for myself, and mebbe one other kid (I'm a horrible packrat, and tend to overpack for everything).
>
> So - if anyone knows of a 25' Chebacco, I'd be very interested in chatting w/the builder and/or owner.
>
> Thanks!
>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:55 PM, eric14850<eric14850@...>wrote:

Yes, stability increases with length as well as with width, but to a much lesser degree.

I strongly recommend not simply expanding all the measurements of the Chebacco to reach 25' That could produce an unseaworthy monstosity. However, simply lengthening Chebacco might produce a reasonable boat. The building time might not be much different because curves would be lengthened making building easier. (My own boat would have been quicker to build had I stretched it the four feet I considered stretching it. It would be faster, more stable, better looking, have better storage and it would be easier to add auxiliary power.) Incorporating more complicated interior elements is another story. It is not just length and weight that increase building time. Complicated elements in the interior can cost more time by far than the hull and deck.

Frankly, I like the Chebacco just the way it is. Lengthening it might produce a faster more capable boat but that is by no means certain. Change things and the art of it could easily be lost, and I am not speaking simply of the beauty of the boat, though with Chebacco that is a very important consideration. Chebacco is an uncommonly beautiful boat. I am afraid I must vote with the person or persons who suggested looking into other designs of a similar style in the 25' range. At least consult with someone with more design experience than we seem to possess. Model building might help as well.

Eric

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you google "Simon Jones Mudlark" you will find a few references to a 25'
> > chebacco made in South Australia about 7 years ago. It appears it was
> > completed as there is a recent reference too. I would love to see a picture
> > of Mudlark though.
> >
> > The design is Bolger's and is shown in Boats With an Open Mind. It has a
> > 9' raised deck style cuddy cabin and 7' cockpit.
> >
> > I can't see why, if it is virtually the same beam as the 20', almost
> > identical underwater section as the 20' and similar rig height (in BWAOM
> > Bolger suggested using the same rig as the 20')why it shouldn't have similar
> > stability as the 20'. It is heavier at 2200 lb and has higher freeboard.
> >
>
> It should have more stability, since there's a positive-going length term in
> the stability equation. Don't remember what the exponent is off the top,
> tho. It should also be able to recover from a larger angle of heel due to
> its higher free-board.
>
>
> >
> > I am attracted to the design and am not sure why others haven't been built.
> > Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.
> >
>
> 25' is a large boat to built alone. That probably explains it.
>
> -p
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you google "Simon Jones Mudlark" you will find a few references to a 25'
> > chebacco made in South Australia about 7 years ago. It appears it was
> > completed as there is a recent reference too. I would love to see a picture
> > of Mudlark though.
> >
> > The design is Bolger's and is shown in Boats With an Open Mind. It has a
> > 9' raised deck style cuddy cabin and 7' cockpit.
> >
> > I can't see why, if it is virtually the same beam as the 20', almost
> > identical underwater section as the 20' and similar rig height (in BWAOM
> > Bolger suggested using the same rig as the 20')why it shouldn't have similar
> > stability as the 20'. It is heavier at 2200 lb and has higher freeboard.
> >
>
> It should have more stability, since there's a positive-going length term in
> the stability equation. Don't remember what the exponent is off the top,
> tho. It should also be able to recover from a larger angle of heel due to
> its higher free-board.
>
>
> >
> > I am attracted to the design and am not sure why others haven't been built.
> > Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.
> >
>
> 25' is a large boat to built alone. That probably explains it.
>
> -p
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
>
> If you google "Simon Jones Mudlark" you will find a few references to
a 25' chebacco made in South Australia about 7 years ago. It appears it
was completed as there is a recent reference too. I would love to see a
picture of Mudlark though.
>
> The design is Bolger's and is shown in Boats With an Open Mind. It
has a 9' raised deck style cuddy cabin and 7' cockpit.
>
> I can't see why, if it is virtually the same beam as the 20', almost
identical underwater section as the 20' and similar rig height (in BWAOM
Bolger suggested using the same rig as the 20')why it shouldn't have
similar stability as the 20'. It is heavier at 2200 lb and has higher
freeboard.
>
> I am attracted to the design and am not sure why others haven't been
built. Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.
>
> Andrew
>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM, Andrew<a.c.l.yen@...>wrote:

If you google "Simon Jones Mudlark" you will find a few references to a 25' chebacco made in South Australia about 7 years ago.  It appears it was completed as there is a recent reference too.  I would love to see a picture of Mudlark though.

The design is Bolger's and is shown in Boats With an Open Mind.  It has a 9' raised deck style cuddy cabin and 7' cockpit.

I can't see why, if it is virtually the same beam as the 20', almost identical underwater section as the 20' and similar rig height (in BWAOM Bolger suggested using the same rig as the 20')why it shouldn't have similar stability as the 20'.  It is heavier at 2200 lb and has higher freeboard.

It should have more stability, since there's a positive-going length term in the stability equation. Don't remember what the exponent is off the top, tho. It should also be able to recover from a larger angle of heel due to its higher free-board.

I am attracted to the design and am not sure why others haven't been built.  Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.

25' is a large boat to built alone. That probably explains it.

-p

> Maybe it is just too much work to lapstrake such a large hull.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "adventures_in_astrophotography" <jon@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> > There are many options to prevent water backup from the scuppers.
> ...snip...
>
> Speaking of cockpit drains and scuppers, has anybody used these on the floor of a cockpit or bottom of a hull? How well do they work?
>
>http://www.discountmarinesupplies.com/Scuppers_Drains-SEACHOICE_SELF_BAILING_SCUPPERS.html
>
> Jon
>

> There are many options to prevent water backup from the scuppers.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Cocpit floors on small boats are very close to the water line and
often
> have back up with a heavy load or saile hard. My Pearson Triton has
> water about 2" down. San Juan 24's often put a plug in their cockpit
> drains when sailing hard.
>
> HJ
>
> Andrew wrote:
> > I was wondering how high the floor of a self draining cockpit needs
to be. I was browsing some Chebacco designs and noticed that the
Chebacco RD is designed with a self draining cockpit.
> >
> >http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html
> >
> >http://www.chebacco.com/articles/016/7/article_files/image018.jpg
> >
> > In this second link you can see the drain exiting over the heel of
the rudder.
> >
> > On closer inspection the floor of the cockpit seems to be only about
3" above the WL. Is this enough to stop your feet getting wet? I have
read elsewhere about a minimum of 9".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

> I was wondering how high the floor of a self draining cockpit needs to be. I was browsing some Chebacco designs and noticed that the Chebacco RD is designed with a self draining cockpit.
>
>http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/articles/016/7/article_files/image018.jpg
>
> In this second link you can see the drain exiting over the heel of the rudder.
>
> On closer inspection the floor of the cockpit seems to be only about 3" above the WL. Is this enough to stop your feet getting wet? I have read elsewhere about a minimum of 9".
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BrianA" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
> In principle the hole of a self-draining cockpit needs to be above the waterline. The higher and bigger the hole, the faster it drains. On my sailboat, there were holes in each aft corner of the cockpit and these were normally about 6" above the water line, but when heeled over good, one would dip below and then you would have a few inches of water sloshing around in the lee corner. One hole in the middle would have prevented most the water flowing in through the tubes when heeled over, but any water that did get in would fill up to the drain before starting to flow out.
>
> On a boat like Chewbacco you probably need to figure that your feet are going to get wet, or reduce the width and depth of the cockpit.
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering how high the floor of a self draining cockpit needs to be. I was browsing some Chebacco designs and noticed that the Chebacco RD is designed with a self draining cockpit.
> >
> >http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html
> >
> >http://www.chebacco.com/articles/016/7/article_files/image018.jpg
> >
> > In this second link you can see the drain exiting over the heel of the rudder.
> >
> > On closer inspection the floor of the cockpit seems to be only about 3" above the WL. Is this enough to stop your feet getting wet? I have read elsewhere about a minimum of 9".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Kimbro, Ray (N-SAIC)<ray.kimbro@...>wrote:

Folks –

I read a brief mention of a 25’ Chebacco on the Chebacco News site.  If y’all would entertain some questions, I’ve got a few.

1)Did Mr. Bolger design this, or did someone extrapolate #s to extend the 20’ plans?

2)Has one of these actually launched?

3)If so, how does it sail?

4)Any pics?

I’ve been very fond of the Chebacco design since I first saw it in the early 90s – but, the 20’ version is just a bit small for my family.  I think that the 25’ would make a great trailerable daysailer for the family, long-weekend cruiser for myself, and mebbe one other kid (I’m a horrible packrat, and tend to overpack for everything).

So – if anyone knows of a 25’ Chebacco, I’d be very interested in chatting w/the builder and/or owner.

Thanks!

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BrianA" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
> In principle the hole of a self-draining cockpit needs to be above the waterline. The higher and bigger the hole, the faster it drains. On my sailboat, there were holes in each aft corner of the cockpit and these were normally about 6" above the water line, but when heeled over good, one would dip below and then you would have a few inches of water sloshing around in the lee corner. One hole in the middle would have prevented most the water flowing in through the tubes when heeled over, but any water that did get in would fill up to the drain before starting to flow out.
>
> On a boat like Chewbacco you probably need to figure that your feet are going to get wet, or reduce the width and depth of the cockpit.
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering how high the floor of a self draining cockpit needs to be. I was browsing some Chebacco designs and noticed that the Chebacco RD is designed with a self draining cockpit.
> >
> >http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html
> >http://www.chebacco.com/articles/016/7/article_files/image018.jpg
> >
> > In this second link you can see the drain exiting over the heel of the rudder.
> >
> > On closer inspection the floor of the cockpit seems to be only about 3" above the WL. Is this enough to stop your feet getting wet? I have read elsewhere about a minimum of 9".
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering how high the floor of a self draining cockpit needs to be. I was browsing some Chebacco designs and noticed that the Chebacco RD is designed with a self draining cockpit.
>
>http://www.myasylum.com/sbf/messages/1785.html
>
>http://www.chebacco.com/articles/016/7/article_files/image018.jpg
>
> In this second link you can see the drain exiting over the heel of the rudder.
>
> On closer inspection the floor of the cockpit seems to be only about 3" above the WL. Is this enough to stop your feet getting wet? I have read elsewhere about a minimum of 9".
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>