Re: rowboat

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "John and Kathy Trussell" <jtrussell2@...> wrote:
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> Gary,
>
>
>
> Build time varies directly with the number of pieces in the boat. Finish
> time varies with the complexity of the pieces to be painted. The trussed
> framing has a lot of fiddly little pieces and these will take a lot of time
> to fabricate and a lot of time to finish. The good news is that they could
> be built inside on a table and such a project would keep you happily and
> productively occupied throughout the winter!
>
>
>
> JohnT
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>
>
> _____
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> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> gypsysfloat
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:00 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: rowboat
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow, I was curious how long it's been that I've been "going to build" my
> ultralight rowing boat... It's depressing... :-) Well, I still have the
> lofting stored away, and I still have no workshop! Can't work outside in the
> single-digit temperature snowbank either. I really am one of those builders
> Phil called "glacially slow!" IF it ever gets started I will post photo's...
> I'll just look at yours for now. I have added "Yellow leaf" to my to do
> list, if that can be called progress. :-)
> Garry
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "gypsyinvader" <bgwarber@> wrote:
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> , Bruce
> Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> I built a boat to the lines of that Ultralight Rowing boat from BWAOM(which
> was taken from the article in Small Boat Journal, March\1983).
> Instead of the ultralight trussed framing, I chose to use the more
> conventional framing details taken from Bolger's Spur II (which I have also
> built, and which also is a great boat).
> Here are some photos of my build...
>http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE
> Even so, it is good lightweight boat. I find it no real problem to
> cartop and carry the boat single handed for some distance. By resting the
> boat upside down, with the center seat resting on my shoulders, I have
> carried it as far a 1,000 feet. As far as rowboats go, (and I
> have tried out more than a few), this is my favorite rowing boat.
> In my estimation, the boat has ergonomics for a rower about 5 foot 10 inches
> tall. If I were to build another, considering that I have the legs of a 6
> feet tall person, I would be tempted to lengthen the boat by about 6 inches
> which would give a few more inches of leg room
> between the seats. Just a quibble, as-is, this rowboat still is the favorite
> in my fleet.
>
> Bruce,
> Very nice looking job. I have a planset, and I told Phil I wasn't going to
> use the truss braces also. He said it was fine, and that the ones that have
> been built none used his truss' . He said it wasn't really a serious thought
> anyway, but he'd love to see one built with them, then watch the person
> carry it in a stiff crosswind... :-) The plans call for a long ply covered
> foam box seat fore and aft , and you just slide back and forth to a
> comfortable fit. That sounds interesting to me, but it's main intent is
> positive floatation... He said it's like a non-vee guideboat, so I expect it
> to move well. He also said if the planking aft wants to lift off the form a
> bit, let it. The ones that did that went faster... :-) I've been "itching"
> to build for years now. My priorities must be out of whack! :-)
> Garry
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gypsyinvader" <bgwarber@...> wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
I built a boat to the lines of that Ultralight Rowing boat from BWAOM(which was taken from the article in Small Boat Journal, March\1983).
Instead of the ultralight trussed framing, I chose to use the more conventional framing details taken from Bolger's Spur II (which I have also built, and which also is a great boat).
Here are some photos of my build...
http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE
Even so, it is good lightweight boat. I find it no real problem to
cartop and carry the boat single handed for some distance. By resting the boat upside down, with the center seat resting on my shoulders, I have carried it as far a 1,000 feet. As far as rowboats go, (and I
have tried out more than a few), this is my favorite rowing boat.
In my estimation, the boat has ergonomics for a rower about 5 foot 10 inches tall. If I were to build another, considering that I have the legs of a 6 feet tall person, I would be tempted to lengthen the boat by about 6 inches which would give a few more inches of leg room
between the seats. Just a quibble, as-is, this rowboat still is the favorite in my fleet.

Bruce,
Very nice looking job. I have a planset, and I told Phil I wasn't going to use the truss braces also. He said it was fine, and that the ones that have been built none used his truss' . He said it wasn't really a serious thought anyway, but he'd love to see one built with them, then watch the person carry it in a stiff crosswind... :-) The plans call for a long ply covered foam box seat fore and aft , and you just slide back and forth to a comfortable fit. That sounds interesting to me, but it's main intent is positive floatation... He said it's like a non-vee guideboat, so I expect it to move well. He also said if the planking aft wants to lift off the form a bit, let it. The ones that did that went faster... :-) I've been "itching" to build for years now. My priorities must be out of whack! :-)
Garry

>
> Would you recommend either the Spur or Cartoon 5 as a tender or pretty much just as a rec rowing boat.
>
> HJ

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Dave Gentry<alias1719@...>wrote:

Thanks, Bruce - that cartoon is exactly what I was looking for. Another boat on the future list of builds . . . Bolger, ultralight and glued lapstrake make it all the more appealing.

Got any pics of your Spur 2?

http://www.hallman.org/bolger/spur/row/l.jpghttp://hallman.org/bolger/spur/http://www.hallman.org/bolger/spur/hour56/http://www.hallman.org/bolger/spur/hour68/http://www.hallman.org/bolger/spur/row/Just to clarify my opinion about using Gorilla Glue.  I would use it
again, if faced with the need to work outdoors in the rain like I had
to do building this Spur II.  But if you have the ability to work in
the dry, I favor epoxy glue which is cheaper and superior.


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>
>
> Thanks, Bruce - that cartoon is exactly what I was looking for. Another boat on the future list of builds . . . Bolger, ultralight and glued lapstrake make it all the more appealing.
>
> Got any pics of your Spur 2?

> I recommend building this boat, as in my experience the lapstrake
> isn't really that much more work than a panel boat, and the end
> results are better.
>
>http://www.hallman.org/sbj/29/
>

Hi Gary,

I don't know what the Spur II is...  :-)  My plan is "Ultralight Rowboat."  Is the SpurII a "double-ender" also?  I've always been fondest of the peapods over the wherry's.  I guess a transom helps in "hobby-horsing" (?), but I feel no outboard motor, no transom...  :-)  By the way, the Ultralight Rowboat is row only, not sail/row.

Garry

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "gary" <gbship@...> wrote:
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> Garry:
> I rowed the Spur II when I was even more inexperienced rowing than I am now and it was awesome to row, even in a rough sea, and the easiest boat to propel I've ever used. You'll love it.
>
> Gary

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gypsyinvader" <bgwarber@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hello everyone.
>
> I've been away for 5 months, and I just saw Phil's photo has two dates
> now... Sad. I have a large move coming after which I will build his
> ultralight rowing boat. I have it lofted, for a couple years now, but
> as you likely know, "things" get in the way. I guess I'm one of the
> builders he refered to as " glacially-paced..." :-) Anyway, has
> anyone here already built one of these boats? If so, is it as light and
> easy to row as I expect?
>
> Garry
>

> I went to look at the lines, but I can’t find it in my copy of BWAOM (soft cover).  I freely admit to missing things from time to time
> along with a certain amount of ignorance, but this time I really can’t find it.  What am I missing?

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:14 PM, gypsyinvader <bgwarber@...> wrote:

> The plans call for a long ply covered foam box seat fore and aft , and you just slide back and forth to a comfortable fit.

Actually, the long straddle seat would probably be an improvement over
the three seats configuration I copied from Spur II. When I row with
one passenger, me being a big guy who weighs twice the weight of my
daughter, the balance of the boat skews a bit which affects the
tracking line of the boat. Being able to slide the weight up and down
the straddle seat would help fix this. The boat rows great with even
weight distribution, and I have loaded two adults and four kids, total
weight of 700 lbs or so, she held it rock solid, though acceleration
was sluggish compared to rowing solo when she feels like a rocket.



On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Dave Gentry <alias1719@...> wrote:
>
> That's great, Bruce! Nice boat - I'm considering building one myself. Do you have a copy of the cartoon you could post? I have almost zero information about this boat, but have seen a couple of pics of yours before.

I recommend building this boat, as in my experience the lapstrake
isn't really that much more work than a panel boat, and the end
results are better.

http://www.hallman.org/sbj/29/

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
>
> I built a boat to the lines of that Ultralight Rowing boat from BWAOM
> (which was taken from the article in Small Boat Journal, March\1983).
> Instead of the ultralight trussed framing, I chose to use the more
> conventional framing details taken from Bolger's Spur II (which I have
> also built, and which also is a great boat).
>
> Here are some photos of my build...
>
> http://sports.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE
>
> Even so, it is good lightweight boat. I find it no real problem to
> cartop and carry the boat single handed for some distance. By resting
> the boat upside down, with the center seat resting on my shoulders, I
> have carried it as far a 1,000 feet. As far as rowboats go, (and I
> have tried out more than a few), this is my favorite rowing boat.
>
> In my estimation, the boat has ergonomics for a rower about 5 foot 10
> inches tall. If I were to build another, considering that I have the
> legs of a 6 feet tall person, I would be tempted to lengthen the boat
> by about 6 inches which would give a few more inches of leg room
> between the seats. Just a quibble, as-is, this rowboat still is the
> favorite in my fleet.
>
Bruce,

Very nice looking job.  I have a planset, and I told Phil I wasn't going to use the truss braces also.  He said it was fine, and that the ones that have been built none used his truss' .   He said it wasn't really a serious thought anyway, but he'd love to see one built with them, then watch the person carry it in a stiff crosswind...  :-)  The plans call for a long ply covered foam box seat fore and aft , and you just slide back and forth to a comfortable fit.  That sounds interesting to me, but it's main intent is positive floatation...  He said it's like a non-vee guideboat, so I expect it to move well.  He also said if the planking aft wants to lift off the form a bit, let it.  The ones that did that went faster...  :-)  I've been "itching" to build for years now.  My priorities must be out of whack!  :-)

Garry

>
>
>
> Hello everyone.
>
>   I've been away for 5 months, and I just saw Phil's photo has two dates now...  Sad.  I have a large move coming after which I will build his ultralight rowing boat.  I have it lofted, for a couple years now, but as you likely know, "things" get in the way.  I guess I'm one of the builders he refered to as " glacially-paced..."   :-)  Anyway, has anyone here already built one of these boats?  If so, is it as light and easy to row as I expect?
>
> Garry

Hello everyone.

  I've been away for 5 months, and I just saw Phil's photo has two dates now...  Sad.  I have a large move coming after which I will build his ultralight rowing boat.  I have it lofted, for a couple years now, but as you likely know, "things" get in the way.  I guess I'm one of the builders he refered to as " glacially-paced..."   :-)  Anyway, has anyone here already built one of these boats?  If so, is it as light and easy to row as I expect?

Garry