Re: Junk-rigged micro

Martin,

Right you are. After further reflection I am looking at following the
instructions given in Mike Mulcahy's great Duckworks article.

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/howto/junkrig/index.htm

Except using Arne's "Johanna" layout. Not sure if yahoo can handle the
link. Anyway there are three upper fanned panels. You will notice Mike
has less camber (smaller darts) in the upper panels? Makes for a flatter
sail when reefed down.

Also agree about adding an end-plate on the rudder

<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QFHnSmnNgAtMlnJaYkhxKZbP0Ae5g2111fBOQByjbD\
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Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robertsmme" <robertsmme@...> wrote:
>
> Nels,
> Although you like the two panels on the top of my sail, my advice
would be to make three as controlling t he large panels is difficult.
>
> Also I wold advise having an even number of panels to help with the
sheeting.
>
> Martin
>

Nels,
Although you like the two panels on the top of my sail, my advice would be to make three as controlling t he large panels is difficult.

Also I wold advise having an even number of panels to help with the sheeting.

Martin

Hi Bill,

> I built my LM and launched here in August 2007. I absolutely adore this boat. You won't get an unbiased opinion from me, but I will tell you everything I know, both good and bad.

...snip...

That sure is a beautiful boat. You did a fine job and must be very proud of her.

Jon

Bill, Your boat is very beautifull. I like very much that you´ve left the "cabin sides" with lacquer. It gives the boat a lot of style.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Anders,
> Plans for the LM are available from PB&Friends, and the address appears at the end each digest post. If you aren't aware of Phil Bolger's death and the issues his passing has created for the business and mailing of plans, please read through the posts from this group for the past few months. The community of Bolger aficionados is very supportive of Susanne during this difficult time, so patience in receiving your plans is appreciated.
>
> I built my LM and launched here in August 2007. I absolutely adore this boat. You won't get an unbiased opinion from me, but I will tell you everything I know, both good and bad.
>
> LM measures 19 feet, 6 inches LOD. The boomkin adds about three feet to the stern, but it's easily pulled into the cockpit. Sitting level she is about 18 feet on the waterline. She draws about 21 inches of water, and has a full-length fixed keel. The keel contains 532 lbs of lead ballast, and the rest of the keel is hollow and floods freely.
> The unstayed mast (all 30 feet of it) sits in a tabernacle in the bow. There's a small, free-flooding bow/anchor well in the bow (I can fit two full-size anchors and their rodes up there with plenty of room to spare). Aft of that is the cabin. The cabin has a small galley area (about 3 feet by 1.5 feet), and aft of that are two flat areas for bunks (which are 6.5 feet long). Aft the cabin is a huge cockpit (approx. 6 feet by 6 feet). If you build the cockpit per the plans you get a huge storage space beneath the sitting area. At the stern is a free-flooding well (about 2.5 feet long) for the outboard, gas, fenders, etc.
>
> Sailing, the LM is stable and stiff and sails best when relatively upright. I have had mine knocked over pretty far (65-75 degrees. Sail in water and staring down into Lake Erie while I stood on the cockpit coaming), but she rights herself quickly. She points modestly well within 55-60 degrees of the wind on each tack, which is on par with a recent review of the new Hunter 39 shoal draft, and on par with a San Juan 21. Off the wind she is far faster than one would expect. I can regularly get moving at 6+ knots of honest SOG boat speed, and a few times I have hit speeds of 7.2 knots. The mizzen makes reefing and handling the mainsail (and anchoring) easy.
>
> If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. Besides myself there are two other LM owners/builders here (Nels, and Pat in Thailand, who is completing his beautiful LM).
>
> I have a bunch of pictures posted on Flickr, which you may have seen already, along with the two Youtube videos already referenced:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/23898186@N02/
>
> Bill, Long Micro Pugnacious,
> now in Texas
>

I agree with your wife.. You may call me, my dog and my boat etc. cute. No problem.
I wasnt trying to say anything negative with respect of the Micro or the Long Micro. I think they are both very interesting and innovative designs. They look strong, sturdy, powerfull to me (and a tad of cute, which I use in its possitive meaning)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" <chester@...> wrote:
>
> I have always considered "cute" to be an undesirable adjective for a
> boat. Am I the only person who finds "cute" to be demeaning, as in
> "What a cute little boat"? My wife totally disagrees with me on this so
> dissension is expected.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat
>
>
>
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of eliassonguitars
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:01 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Long micro
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your nice answers. I know a lot more. The Micro and the long
> micro are boats that I at first found extremely ugly, but every time I
> see one I like them more. Now I find them to be cute or sweet.
>
> btw: LMAO was a very creative answer. Thanks. Did you laugh it of or did
> you only get half way through. Be carefull, its not so funny not to have
> an A. LOL
>
> Anders
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "ben_2_go" <ben_2_go@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > LMAO!
> > =^)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Ralph" <UncleRalph@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > Long Micro <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22long+micro%22>
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "eliassonguitars" <eliassonguitars@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What is exactly a long micro and where can I find more info about
> one.
> > > >
> > > > Plans, size, pictures, etc
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Anders
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Y tu ¿Que más sabes?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW It appears Anders left the group and joined Michalak.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@> wrote:
> >
> > Seems I read something about that at one time, where Mr. Bolger
> > mentioned that part of the Micro appeal - was that some folks thought
> it
> > was cute - and Long Micro did not have that same appeal.
> >
> > Here are some more photos of LM - to confirm that it is not cute. I
> > think "capable" comes more to mind
> >
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/Long%20Micro/
> >
> > BTW - That is a 1 ton, long wb van towing - to give a sense of scale.
> >
> > Nels
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" chester@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I have always considered "cute" to be an undesirable adjective for a
> > > boat. Am I the only person who finds "cute" to be demeaning, as in
> > > "What a cute little boat"? My wife totally disagrees with me on
> this
> > so
> > > dissension is expected.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Caloosarat
> >
>

Thanks Bill.

A very thorough and personal description of the boat. I will study it further and come back when/if I have more questions.

Anders

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> Anders,
> Plans for the LM are available from PB&Friends, and the address appears at the end each digest post. If you aren't aware of Phil Bolger's death and the issues his passing has created for the business and mailing of plans, please read through the posts from this group for the past few months. The community of Bolger aficionados is very supportive of Susanne during this difficult time, so patience in receiving your plans is appreciated.
>
> I built my LM and launched here in August 2007. I absolutely adore this boat. You won't get an unbiased opinion from me, but I will tell you everything I know, both good and bad.
>
> LM measures 19 feet, 6 inches LOD. The boomkin adds about three feet to the stern, but it's easily pulled into the cockpit. Sitting level she is about 18 feet on the waterline. She draws about 21 inches of water, and has a full-length fixed keel. The keel contains 532 lbs of lead ballast, and the rest of the keel is hollow and floods freely.
> The unstayed mast (all 30 feet of it) sits in a tabernacle in the bow. There's a small, free-flooding bow/anchor well in the bow (I can fit two full-size anchors and their rodes up there with plenty of room to spare). Aft of that is the cabin. The cabin has a small galley area (about 3 feet by 1.5 feet), and aft of that are two flat areas for bunks (which are 6.5 feet long). Aft the cabin is a huge cockpit (approx. 6 feet by 6 feet). If you build the cockpit per the plans you get a huge storage space beneath the sitting area. At the stern is a free-flooding well (about 2.5 feet long) for the outboard, gas, fenders, etc.
>
> Sailing, the LM is stable and stiff and sails best when relatively upright. I have had mine knocked over pretty far (65-75 degrees. Sail in water and staring down into Lake Erie while I stood on the cockpit coaming), but she rights herself quickly. She points modestly well within 55-60 degrees of the wind on each tack, which is on par with a recent review of the new Hunter 39 shoal draft, and on par with a San Juan 21. Off the wind she is far faster than one would expect. I can regularly get moving at 6+ knots of honest SOG boat speed, and a few times I have hit speeds of 7.2 knots. The mizzen makes reefing and handling the mainsail (and anchoring) easy.
>
> If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. Besides myself there are two other LM owners/builders here (Nels, and Pat in Thailand, who is completing his beautiful LM).
>
> I have a bunch of pictures posted on Flickr, which you may have seen already, along with the two Youtube videos already referenced:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/23898186@N02/
>
> Bill, Long Micro Pugnacious,
> now in Texas
>

Hi Martin, Myles.

No need to measure since I realize the mast height is dependent on the
yard angle one decides on for the type of junk sail design one chooses.

I like the angle shown on your posting, with the two upper panels
fan-shaped and then the lower panels and reefing battens being parallel
to drop neatly down onto the boom and held by the lazy jacks.

The Chebacco 25er shows a tabernacle/mast step design I think would work
fine. Shown on page 231 of BWAOM. It is secured to the forward cabin
bulkhead, extends above it and braced on the top deck. Has two short
cross-pieces that allow the mast to be slid forward horizontally and
walked upright. The hatch must be closed to do this of course, and
ideally sturdy enough to take the weight of perhaps walking on top of.
Fortunately mine is as well as having toe rails and anti-slip finish on
the cabin top.

Building the main rig as light as possible would make it easier to
connect it up to the mast once the mast is up. Light lathe battens and
sail cloth. So some sort of parrel system connected to a downhaul would
be beneficial so as not to depend on gravity alone when reefing. And of
course slippery lines.

Just purchased a nice 20 X 20 foot white poly tarp. About 15 quid I
would guess:-)

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robertsmme" <robertsmme@...> wrote:
>
> Nels,
> The mast is shorter, I will remeasure when I measure when I take it
off the water.
>
> I think I made it pretty much to the plan I put on the group pages.
he main changes are that I no longer have any luff parrels as I found
that I get as good a performance as I require without them. Since I
went to the JRA weekend in Essex I have considered putting them back
using the very slippery polyethylene rope that is cheap and does not
seem to have so much friction.
>
> This year I put a down haul on the main yard as I have had problems
with reefing the top two panels thanks to the increased purchase I put
on a couple of years ago. It seems to work but a bit more thought could
make it better. For example I take it back to the mast which forces the
sail forward when I actually want it back. One answer would be to have
a fixed rope that comes into play when the sail is down a bit.
>
> Lastly I am keen to try Arne suggestion of a plate on the base of
the rudder to help with down wind weather helm. After the pleasure of
no handed sailing upwind, downwind is fast but you have to remain in
control all the time which becomes very tiring on a passage.
>
> You mention the mast tabernacle. I have thought about one, but I
have put it off as I would prefer to change the mast at the same time as
my mast is not really think enough.
>
> Martin
>

Nels,
The mast is shorter, I will remeasure when I measure when I take it off the water.

I think I made it pretty much to the plan I put on the group pages. he main changes are that I no longer have any luff parrels as I found that I get as good a performance as I require without them. Since I went to the JRA weekend in Essex I have considered putting them back using the very slippery polyethylene rope that is cheap and does not seem to have so much friction.

This year I put a down haul on the main yard as I have had problems with reefing the top two panels thanks to the increased purchase I put on a couple of years ago. It seems to work but a bit more thought could make it better. For example I take it back to the mast which forces the sail forward when I actually want it back. One answer would be to have a fixed rope that comes into play when the sail is down a bit.

Lastly I am keen to try Arne suggestion of a plate on the base of the rudder to help with down wind weather helm. After the pleasure of no handed sailing upwind, downwind is fast but you have to remain in control all the time which becomes very tiring on a passage.

You mention the mast tabernacle. I have thought about one, but I have put it off as I would prefer to change the mast at the same time as my mast is not really think enough.

Martin

Martin,

I have followed your trials with a junk rig right from the start, back
when it was a "tentative experiment", and now quite a success I would
say.

You may have seen at the JR yahoo group that Arne Kvareland, the
Norwegian JR "guru" gave it the thumbs up and said he really likes the
Micro as a hull well suited for trying one out.

Based on the original cartoon you posted some time ago, does it more or
less reflect what you finally did on yours?

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger5/photos/album/947994059/pic/948330\
580/view?picmode=original&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc>

Seems the mast was shortened for example? How much? I have also thought
about a variation of a tabernacle similar to that shown on a Chebacco on
page 228 of BWAOM. It allows one to slide the mast forward horizontally
into a supporting slot and then walking it up into place. Thereby no
risk of the lower end contacting the front of the bow and still getting
a full bury on the bottom of the hull.

Bolger also used a similar construct on the Breakdown Schooner (page
320) and in fact has it off-set to starboard to allow room to get past
it if one has a foreward companionway opening.

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "robertsmme" <robertsmme@...> wrote:
>
>
> Myles,
> If reefing is an issue you might like to consider a Junk rig. I
changed to a conventional Junk rig as I found reefing of the log o'
mutton sail too complex and untidy for single handing. In the process I
managed to get more sail as reefing is easy it helps in light airs. It
moves the mast back and the result is the boat still sails in that
beautifully balanced way that Phil designed yet I am more comfortable to
be able to handle the sails from the safety of the cockpit.
>
> On my micro the builder put in toe rails along the cabin which I
replaced with stronger wood. I have been glad of them when needing to
'scramble' over the cabin.
>
> Martin
>

Myles,
If reefing is an issue you might like to consider a Junk rig. I changed to a conventional Junk rig as I found reefing of the log o' mutton sail too complex and untidy for single handing. In the process I managed to get more sail as reefing is easy it helps in light airs. It moves the mast back and the result is the boat still sails in that beautifully balanced way that Phil designed yet I am more comfortable to be able to handle the sails from the safety of the cockpit.

On my micro the builder put in toe rails along the cabin which I replaced with stronger wood. I have been glad of them when needing to 'scramble' over the cabin.

Martin

I would imagine Anders might appreciate the correct terminology
lessons, since English is not his Native tongue.

Not sure if he understands though what "left-handed compliment" means in
boating terms? Perhaps "port compliment" would be more correct?

Nels:-)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>
> "Cute" definitely seems like a left-handed complement for a boat. I
want
> "beautiful," along with "seaworthy", "stout," "fast," "responsive,"
and,
> when I've been watching Cary Grant movies, "yar."
>
> Patrick
>
> Chester Young wrote:
> >
> > I have always considered "cute" to be an undesirable
adjective for a
> > boat. Am I the only person who finds "cute" to be demeaning,
as in
> > "What a cute little boat"? My wife totally disagrees with me
on this
> > so dissension is expected.
> >
> > Caloosarat
> >
> > *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *eliassonguitars
> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:01 AM
> > *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [bolger] Re: Long micro
> >
> > Thanks for your nice answers. I know a lot more. The Micro and the
> > long micro are boats that I at first found extremely ugly, but every
> > time I see one I like them more. Now I find them to be cute or
sweet.
> >
> > btw: LMAO was a very creative answer. Thanks. Did you laugh it of or
> > did you only get half way through. Be carefull, its not so funny not
> > to have an A. LOL
> >
> > Anders
> >
>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:

> I learned something about this as a boy. When I wanted things to be
> tough, cool, wicked, even bitchin, my heart would sink when my mother
> called them cute. I've since learned that cute is one of the highest
> compliments a woman can pay.
>
> Mark

Ditto. I get into conversations about my Micro Navigator with
passersby all the time at the dock. When a man calls her 'cute' it
feels offensive, if a woman caller her 'cute' it feels like a
compliment.

I learned something about this as a boy. When I wanted things to be
tough, cool, wicked, even bitchin, my heart would sink when my mother
called them cute. I've since learned that cute is one of the highest
compliments a woman can pay.

Mark

On Oct 22, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Patrick Crockett wrote:

> "Cute" definitely seems like a left-handed complement for a boat. I
> want
> "beautiful," along with "seaworthy", "stout," "fast," "responsive,"
> and,
> when I've been watching Cary Grant movies, "yar."
>
> Patrick
>
> Chester Young wrote:
>>
>> I have always considered “cute” to be an undesirable adjective for a
>> boat. Am I the only person who finds “cute” to be demeaning, as in
>> “What a cute little boat”? My wife totally disagrees with me on this
>> so dissension is expected.
>>
>> Caloosarat
>>
>> *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *eliassonguitars
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:01 AM
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: Long micro
>>
>> Thanks for your nice answers. I know a lot more. The Micro and the
>> long micro are boats that I at first found extremely ugly, but every
>> time I see one I like them more. Now I find them to be cute or sweet.
>>
>> btw: LMAO was a very creative answer. Thanks. Did you laugh it of or
>> did you only get half way through. Be carefull, its not so funny not
>> to have an A. LOL
>>
>> Anders
>>
>
>
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"Cute" definitely seems like a left-handed complement for a boat. I want
"beautiful," along with "seaworthy", "stout," "fast," "responsive," and,
when I've been watching Cary Grant movies, "yar."

Patrick

Chester Young wrote:

>
> I have always considered “cute” to be an undesirable adjective for a
> boat. Am I the only person who finds “cute” to be demeaning, as in
> “What a cute little boat”? My wife totally disagrees with me on this
> so dissension is expected.
>
> Caloosarat
>
> *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *eliassonguitars
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:01 AM
> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: Long micro
>
> Thanks for your nice answers. I know a lot more. The Micro and the
> long micro are boats that I at first found extremely ugly, but every
> time I see one I like them more. Now I find them to be cute or sweet.
>
> btw: LMAO was a very creative answer. Thanks. Did you laugh it of or
> did you only get half way through. Be carefull, its not so funny not
> to have an A. LOL
>
> Anders
>

Myles,

Myles,

Do you have the upgraded tabernacle drawings from PCB&F?

Nice camper!

http://coots.org/Siltcoos2004/Truque-1.jpg

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Myles J. Swift" <mswift@...> wrote:
>
> If you are living near the sound in BC check out two things. First,
find
> Jamie Orr who posts here. He has a Chebacco and lives on the island.
Second,
> you seem like a natural Coot so check out coots.org. BC is the
northern end
> of the Coots range and Arcata/Eureka is the southern end. Lots of
Bolger
> experience in the Coots.
>
>
>
> I'm looking at doing a tabernacle conversion to my basic Micro,
handling
> that 25 foot mast is getting to be too much for me.
>
>
>
> MylesJ
>

Anders,
Plans for the LM are available from PB&Friends, and the address appears at the end each digest post. If you aren't aware of Phil Bolger's death and the issues his passing has created for the business and mailing of plans, please read through the posts from this group for the past few months. The community of Bolger aficionados is very supportive of Susanne during this difficult time, so patience in receiving your plans is appreciated.

I built my LM and launched here in August 2007. I absolutely adore this boat. You won't get an unbiased opinion from me, but I will tell you everything I know, both good and bad.

LM measures 19 feet, 6 inches LOD. The boomkin adds about three feet to the stern, but it's easily pulled into the cockpit. Sitting level she is about 18 feet on the waterline. She draws about 21 inches of water, and has a full-length fixed keel. The keel contains 532 lbs of lead ballast, and the rest of the keel is hollow and floods freely.
The unstayed mast (all 30 feet of it) sits in a tabernacle in the bow. There's a small, free-flooding bow/anchor well in the bow (I can fit two full-size anchors and their rodes up there with plenty of room to spare). Aft of that is the cabin. The cabin has a small galley area (about 3 feet by 1.5 feet), and aft of that are two flat areas for bunks (which are 6.5 feet long). Aft the cabin is a huge cockpit (approx. 6 feet by 6 feet). If you build the cockpit per the plans you get a huge storage space beneath the sitting area. At the stern is a free-flooding well (about 2.5 feet long) for the outboard, gas, fenders, etc.

Sailing, the LM is stable and stiff and sails best when relatively upright. I have had mine knocked over pretty far (65-75 degrees. Sail in water and staring down into Lake Erie while I stood on the cockpit coaming), but she rights herself quickly. She points modestly well within 55-60 degrees of the wind on each tack, which is on par with a recent review of the new Hunter 39 shoal draft, and on par with a San Juan 21. Off the wind she is far faster than one would expect. I can regularly get moving at 6+ knots of honest SOG boat speed, and a few times I have hit speeds of 7.2 knots. The mizzen makes reefing and handling the mainsail (and anchoring) easy.

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. Besides myself there are two other LM owners/builders here (Nels, and Pat in Thailand, who is completing his beautiful LM).

I have a bunch of pictures posted on Flickr, which you may have seen already, along with the two Youtube videos already referenced:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23898186@N02/

Bill, Long Micro Pugnacious,
now in Texas

FWIW It appears Anders left the group and joined Michalak.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Seems I read something about that at one time, where Mr. Bolger
> mentioned that part of the Micro appeal - was that some folks thought
it
> was cute - and Long Micro did not have that same appeal.
>
> Here are some more photos of LM - to confirm that it is not cute. I
> think "capable" comes more to mind
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/Long%20Micro/
>
> BTW - That is a 1 ton, long wb van towing - to give a sense of scale.
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" chester@ wrote:
> >
> > I have always considered "cute" to be an undesirable adjective for a
> > boat. Am I the only person who finds "cute" to be demeaning, as in
> > "What a cute little boat"? My wife totally disagrees with me on
this
> so
> > dissension is expected.
> >
> >
> >
> > Caloosarat
>

Seems I read something about that at one time, where Mr. Bolger
mentioned that part of the Micro appeal - was that some folks thought it
was cute - and Long Micro did not have that same appeal.

Here are some more photos of LM - to confirm that it is not cute. I
think "capable" comes more to mind

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger7/files/Long%20Micro/

BTW - That is a 1 ton, long wb van towing - to give a sense of scale.

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Chester Young" <chester@...> wrote:
>
> I have always considered "cute" to be an undesirable adjective for a
> boat. Am I the only person who finds "cute" to be demeaning, as in
> "What a cute little boat"? My wife totally disagrees with me on this
so
> dissension is expected.
>
>
>
> Caloosarat

Thanks for your nice answers. I know a lot more. The Micro and the long micro are boats that I at first found extremely ugly, but every time I see one I like them more. Now I find them to be cute or sweet.

btw: LMAO was a very creative answer. Thanks. Did you laugh it of or did you only get half way through. Be carefull, its not so funny not to have an A. LOL

Anders

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "ben_2_go" <ben_2_go@...> wrote:
>
>
> LMAO!
> =^)
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" <UncleRalph@> wrote:
> >
> > You could try this:
> > Long Micro <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22long+micro%22>
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eliassonguitars" <eliassonguitars@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What is exactly a long micro and where can I find more info about one.
> > >
> > > Plans, size, pictures, etc
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Anders
> > >
> >
>

LMAO!
=^)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph" <UncleRalph@...> wrote:
>
> You could try this:
> Long Micro <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22long+micro%22>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eliassonguitars" <eliassonguitars@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is exactly a long micro and where can I find more info about one.
> >
> > Plans, size, pictures, etc
> >
> > Thanks
> > Anders
> >
>

As some folks may be aware of (especially Bill in Texas:) I have a Long
Micro purchased from Dan Gonneau some years back. Ref: at this posting
with some figures:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/54955?l=1

Life intervened on many levels and I still have not launched it. I towed
Zephyr back to Saskatchewan Canada, from Long Island NY a couple of
years ago and then relocated to BC. My tow vehicle was stolen and
vandalized and is just now being replaced. (Interprovincial insurance
claims can get time consuming.)

I was just back there to check on it in storage a couple of weeks ago
before the mountain passes get too messed up. (I am now three mountain
ranges away. ) I was re-impressed revisting Zephyr. To me it is one of
the best designs out there, and exactly meets my retirement plans where
I am now.

Dan has relocated as well when I picked it up, so never did meet him. He
was working for a builder in Brooklin Maine at that time:

http://dhylanboats.com/

But I talked to some "old salts" at the marina in Shelter Island and
they where really impressed by the boat especially how fast it was - as
Bruce alludes to.

I will be refinishing it when I finally get it here next spring. Kudos
to Dan for using marine-grade materials and finishing techniques! And I
intend to add a doghouse along the idea of the "One Person Live-aboard"
which both Dan and Bill support.

First file here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger3/files/LONG%20MICRO/

I intend to raise the tablernacle height to clear the doghouse when the
mast is lowered and extend the bottom of the mast to match up. Perhaps
at some point consider the Bolger Navigator "Chinese gaff" sail plan as
well. I have done all the measurements and can get standing headroom
under the doghouse with the original sail plan I think. I still have a
few details to work out for an inside steering station.

I also just became aware of an available "free" slip for it in a shallow
corner of the marina. As Bruce knows, a slip is just like having your
own water-side cottage:-)

Long Micro is not so easily trailerable nor launch-friendly although I
already have the winching-down-a-ramp option, since it was not installed
on my tow vehicle was stolen.

To see one "in the flesh" and go inside is really a surprise. It becomes
an enlightening experience to try to comprehend it is under 20 feet on
the outside!

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "djdecker2002" <djdecker2002@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman hallman@ wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ralph UncleRalph@ wrote:
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > Long Micro
> >
> >
> > That is a little bit silly Uncle Ralph, as I suspect that Anders has
> > already Googled it.
>
> <snip>
>
> Also, a standard place to check for information of this nature is the
> Files section of the Bolger Cartoons Group at
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/
>
> In the Micro Sailboat -> Long Micro section there are three
informative image files.
>
>http://bolger.wikidot.comis also useful in this regard.
>
> -Derek
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ralph <UncleRalph@...> wrote:
> >
> > You could try this:
> > Long Micro
>
>
> That is a little bit silly Uncle Ralph, as I suspect that Anders has
> already Googled it.

<snip>

Also, a standard place to check for information of this nature is the
Files section of the Bolger Cartoons Group at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/

In the Micro Sailboat -> Long Micro section there are three informative image files.

http://bolger.wikidot.comis also useful in this regard.

-Derek

Oh! ...and Bill, who was in Ohio but has now gone to Texas (as it were) built one and has a couple of little presentations on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXqmS-q9Mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg5iRw0xpYg

GregF

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "pindimarmicro" <greg@...> wrote:
>
> There is a file in the files section of this site with some pictures of a Long Micro done in Australia. In more recent times I think this boat was in Melbourne and was for sale some time back. Don't know if it did sell. Looks to be a nice boat an'all. The main looks to have more roach than as designed??
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Andrew%27s%20Long%20Micro/
>
> Greg F
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ralph <UncleRalph@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You could try this:
> > > Long Micro
> >
> >
> > That is a little bit silly Uncle Ralph, as I suspect that Anders has
> > already Googled it. Personally, I have never seen a Long Micro in the
> > flesh. It was written up in the magazine Messing About in Boats Vol
> > 11, here are a few scans of those pages...
> >
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/longmicro/
> >
> > I did have the good fortune of recently seeing George Broadlick's
> > Martha Jane in the flesh, and it has similarities to a Long Micro.
> > When Phil Bolger suggests that a Long Micro would be a fast boat, keep
> > in mind that he is known for being understated. The Martha Jane which
> > I saw was blazing fast, and I suspect that a Long Micro would also
> > make jaws drop at her speed.
> >
>

There is a file in the files section of this site with some pictures of a Long Micro done in Australia. In more recent times I think this boat was in Melbourne and was for sale some time back. Don't know if it did sell. Looks to be a nice boat an'all. The main looks to have more roach than as designed??

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/Andrew%27s%20Long%20Micro/

Greg F

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ralph <UncleRalph@...> wrote:
> >
> > You could try this:
> > Long Micro
>
>
> That is a little bit silly Uncle Ralph, as I suspect that Anders has
> already Googled it. Personally, I have never seen a Long Micro in the
> flesh. It was written up in the magazine Messing About in Boats Vol
> 11, here are a few scans of those pages...
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/longmicro/
>
> I did have the good fortune of recently seeing George Broadlick's
> Martha Jane in the flesh, and it has similarities to a Long Micro.
> When Phil Bolger suggests that a Long Micro would be a fast boat, keep
> in mind that he is known for being understated. The Martha Jane which
> I saw was blazing fast, and I suspect that a Long Micro would also
> make jaws drop at her speed.
>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Ralph <UncleRalph@...> wrote:

>
> You could try this:
> Long Micro

That is a little bit silly Uncle Ralph, as I suspect that Anders has
already Googled it. Personally, I have never seen a Long Micro in the
flesh. It was written up in the magazine Messing About in Boats Vol
11, here are a few scans of those pages...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/longmicro/

I did have the good fortune of recently seeing George Broadlick's
Martha Jane in the flesh, and it has similarities to a Long Micro.
When Phil Bolger suggests that a Long Micro would be a fast boat, keep
in mind that he is known for being understated. The Martha Jane which
I saw was blazing fast, and I suspect that a Long Micro would also
make jaws drop at her speed.

You could try this:
Long Micro 

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "eliassonguitars" <eliassonguitars@...> wrote:
>
> What is exactly a long micro and where can I find more info about one.
>
> Plans, size, pictures, etc
>
> Thanks
> Anders
>

What is exactly a long micro and where can I find more info about one.

Plans, size, pictures, etc

Thanks
Anders