Re: Robin Jean for sale on ebay

I would think so.It would surely help in cross winds.She'll track a little more true.

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> Just curious, is an off-centerboard a worthwhile thing on a Topaz?
>
I'd look at it seriously on the basis of studying MONITOR.  On the other hand, with SPYDER'S very limited superstructure I'd run her as designed to gauge any need for such a serious additional project.  And this gives you and myself more 'thinking-cap' time for least intrusive approach, something I won't be able to for a while. 
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F   
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Sent:Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:04 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Robin Jean for sale on ebay

 

> - The important (off-)centerboard was left off the boat, resulting in predictable handling-issues  in tight quarters and a beam breeze, if not during working.

Just curious, is an off-centerboard a worthwhile thing on a Topaz?

> - The important (off-)centerboard was left off the boat, resulting in predictable handling-issues  in tight quarters and a beam breeze, if not during working.

Just curious, is an off-centerboard a worthwhile thing on a Topaz?
See earlier entries under this subject.
As to the species listed, our local paper covers some of that, plus NATIONAL FISHERMAN for monthly averages. I am sure you'll find dealer sites with by-the-hour pricing.  Ranges from Herring for 10-14c/lbs to $2.5+ for premium cod and in good times to $5-6+ for lobster and $10+ for scallops.  Everything else somewhere in between with most around the lower 20%.

'Yachty' long-house chosen by owner and operators only good for rod&reel and tub-trawling/long-lining.  Boat has rod-holders and line/net/trap hauler via electric drive.

Short-house forward on 'DAYBOAT' version about doubles the cockpit length.

No dumb questions...
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Sent:Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:55 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Robin Jean for sale on ebay

 

Being a dumb, inland lubber, but lover of sea food, any estimates as to the average price per pound one might project for the various species mentioned?

I think Mackerel and Bluefish and Herring are the only three I have ever dined on.

Is this design intended  for trolling, long lining or what? I see no evidence of fishing gear mentioned. Nor much space for gear or catch.

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions.

NE Multi Species - Open Access NE Multi Species - Open Hand Gear Monkfish- Incidental Catch E Squid/Butterfish – Incidental Atlantic Mackerel Spiny Dogfish Bluefish - Commercial Tilefish – Incidental Herring. Open Access Possession Limit Red Crab – Incidental Bycatch Skate

--- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay. com/ebaymotors/ ws/eBayISAPI. dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330
>
> If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean
> for sale on ebay right now...
>

I agree.If someone was building one for personal use you could easily move the outboard back and increase deck space or make room to extend the cabin.The reason for the flotation chambers around the motor was, to keep the power head high and dry,and give area to work on the lower unit when the motor is tilted up.


> Just a couple of comments:
>
> 1) The pictures really show that it's not a very big boat. The LOA is misleading since the volume aft of the motor mount is really just flotation sponson. No matter how clear your intellectual understanding of the value/importance of the length and flotation, the user is going to pine the for the longer cockpit that seems like it ought to be there.
>
> 2) This is a pretty new boat, so condition may not be big problem, but if she were as much as 3-5 years old, I'd worry that your commercial fisherman had lost track of the fact that a wooden boat, even modern ply construction, may require more maintenance that the GRP boats he was brought up on.
>
> 3) In one of her write-ups, SA worried that the boat was built with excessive weight in the cabin top, and with out all the designed flotation.
>
Being a dumb, inland lubber, but lover of sea food, any estimates as to the average price per pound one might project for the various species mentioned?

I think Mackerel and Bluefish and Herring are the only three I have ever dined on.

Is this design intended  for trolling, long lining or what? I see no evidence of fishing gear mentioned. Nor much space for gear or catch.

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions.

NE Multi Species - Open Access NE Multi Species - Open Hand Gear Monkfish- Incidental Catch E Squid/Butterfish – Incidental Atlantic Mackerel Spiny Dogfish Bluefish - Commercial Tilefish – Incidental Herring. Open Access Possession Limit Red Crab – Incidental Bycatch Skate

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330
>
> If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean
> for sale on ebay right now...
>
Re ROBIN JEAN for sale.

Many good points raised. 

More for your consideration:
-  We strongly suggested Feb'08 to owner and operator both to pick the short-house forward 'DAYBOAT-version for about double the cockpit length and multiple utility for party-fishing/ charter, lobstering, better load-trim with an unexpectedly solid haul of fish.
- Interior is indeed unfinished, thus without designed galley- or enclosed head-geometries.
- The important (off-)centerboard was left off the boat, resulting in predictable handling-issues  in tight quarters and a beam breeze, if not during working.
- Roof/foredeck lamination is crudely-done 2x1/2" rather than simple 2" foam-core w/1/4" + 1/8" ply.
- We had been complemented off the building-site on 5/10/08 and can thus not vouch for construction-execution and -results beyond what you see in and out of the water.

- Perhaps most important in light of the PR-pitch chosen implying Phil's de facto endorsement of this particular hull, Phil nor I were ever allowed to set foot aboard her at rest in the harbor, on the trailer, never mind ever being aboard her running or fishing !?
  
This persistent refusal is in keeping with the overall approach to the project - unpredictable, inexplicable, and as a result both expensive for all involved, and yet with few lessions learned beyond the predicted overall 'Do-ability' of the project for determined 'non-boatbuilders' and her equally predicted economy operating (though still no hard numbers either).  

Yet another attempt today enquiring with Hubbard what actually led to all this non-cooperative atmosphere on this project over the last 18 month was reject again.  Well over 6 weeks ago impression was given that our Navy contact would have access to the craft, but that never happened either.

Walter is right that this boat will work, has worked.  And they did get her built after all.  Everything else is what it is - whether you like the Karma or don't care.  We'll see what she will be worth to somebody 'as is'. 

While Phil was eager at 80 years of age to help see this project in his hometown run well, successful, and thus precedent-setting for Gloucester's working waterfront.  Instead, he remarked bitterly, he found himself being hazed...  

Susanne Altenburger, Phil Bolger & Friends
           
----- Original Message -----
From:Peter
Sent:Tuesday, October 27, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Robin Jean for sale on ebay

 

> This is typical fisherman construction. Details, longevity, even seemingly important things like roof seams get done "good enough" in the usual rush to get the boat in the water and go fishing . If you have ever dealt with commercial fishermen, you would know this is not unusual. Also, the boat will last a lot longer than you think, and a commercial fisherman will push a boat a lot farther than you think is possible .
> Walter Baron, Old Wharf Dory Co.

Just a couple of comments:

1) The pictures really show that it's not a very big boat. The LOA is misleading since the volume aft of the motor mount is really just flotation sponson. No matter how clear your intellectual understanding of the value/importance of the length and flotation, the user is going to pine the for the longer cockpit that seems like it ought to be there.

2) This is a pretty new boat, so condition may not be big problem, but if she were as much as 3-5 years old, I'd worry that your commercial fisherman had lost track of the fact that a wooden boat, even modern ply construction, may require more maintenance that the GRP boats he was brought up on.

3) In one of her write-ups, SA worried that the boat was built with excessive weight in the cabin top, and with out all the designed flotation.

> This is typical fisherman construction. Details, longevity, even seemingly important things like roof seams get done "good enough" in the usual rush to get the boat in the water and go fishing . If you have ever dealt with commercial fishermen, you would know this is not unusual. Also, the boat will last a lot longer than you think, and a commercial fisherman will push a boat a lot farther than you think is possible .
> Walter Baron, Old Wharf Dory Co.


Just a couple of comments:

1) The pictures really show that it's not a very big boat. The LOA is misleading since the volume aft of the motor mount is really just flotation sponson. No matter how clear your intellectual understanding of the value/importance of the length and flotation, the user is going to pine the for the longer cockpit that seems like it ought to be there.

2) This is a pretty new boat, so condition may not be big problem, but if she were as much as 3-5 years old, I'd worry that your commercial fisherman had lost track of the fact that a wooden boat, even modern ply construction, may require more maintenance that the GRP boats he was brought up on.

3) In one of her write-ups, SA worried that the boat was built with excessive weight in the cabin top, and with out all the designed flotation.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <peterlenihan@...> wrote:
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "thehomecrafter" <thehomecrafter@> wrote:
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> > You'd think that for that kind of money they'd finish painting the interior!
>
>
>
>
> AGREED! A close look at some of those pictures is disturbing. A brand new boat and a plywood seam is already opened on the roof top(see picture with life raft).Sloppy,at best,workmanship on the interior cabin(see picture of forward cabin and the open joint where roof meets cabin side) and I could go on.
>
> Just to be clear, I understand this is a work boat, not a "yacht", but for that kind of money you would expect at least better craftmanship on such an otherwise simple plywood hull shape. Work boat finish to me has always been about slapping on the paint and to hell with the varnish, NOT slap the boat together and to hell with how long it will last.
>
> Judging too by the size of the cockpit, just how much fish or traps can it carry or will it have to carry before it starts being worth while to even start the motor? Is this boat designed for real commercial fisheries or is it more for the gentleman fisherman/ cottage industry type.
>
> Either way, it is a lot of money to re-coup in a boat that does not appear to be built well enough, to last long enough, to do much re-couping of anything. Was this perhaps just a proof-of-concept effort before tooling up for the real deal?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Peter Lenihan
>
This is typical fisherman construction. Details, longevity, even seemingly important things like roof seams get done "good enough" in the usual rush to get the boat in the water and go fishing . If you have ever dealt with commercial fishermen, you would know this is not unusual. Also, the boat will last a lot longer than you think, and a commercial fisherman will push a boat a lot farther than you think is possible .
Walter Baron, Old Wharf Dory Co.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "thehomecrafter" <thehomecrafter@...> wrote:

> You'd think that for that kind of money they'd finish painting the interior!




AGREED! A close look at some of those pictures is disturbing. A brand new boat and a plywood seam is already opened on the roof top(see picture with life raft).Sloppy,at best,workmanship on the interior cabin(see picture of forward cabin and the open joint where roof meets cabin side) and I could go on.

Just to be clear, I understand this is a work boat, not a "yacht", but for that kind of money you would expect at least better craftmanship on such an otherwise simple plywood hull shape. Work boat finish to me has always been about slapping on the paint and to hell with the varnish, NOT slap the boat together and to hell with how long it will last.

Judging too by the size of the cockpit, just how much fish or traps can it carry or will it have to carry before it starts being worth while to even start the motor? Is this boat designed for real commercial fisheries or is it more for the gentleman fisherman/ cottage industry type.

Either way, it is a lot of money to re-coup in a boat that does not appear to be built well enough, to last long enough, to do much re-couping of anything. Was this perhaps just a proof-of-concept effort before tooling up for the real deal?



Sincerely,


Peter Lenihan
Phenomenal boat. As a lover of the ocean and fishing, if my discretionary $ pocketbook ever reached $25k I'd most definitely build one. Meanwhile, I'll stick to my 16' skiff and the backbays....
You'd think that for that kind of money they'd finish painting the interior!


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
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> Asking price $134,885.00. I don't know fishing permits, but am
> guessing purchasing this boat amounts to purchasing a (likely)
> profitable business. Assuming if a business that might net $70K per
> year, buying that business at 2x net would be roughly reasonable.
> Open for disagreements, of course.
>
> As to what the hull is worth... I am very close to the finish of a
> build of another 31 foot Bolger boat, a Topaz, pretty close in scope
> to Robin Jean. I haven't been tracking my cost or my time. The
> biggest cash outlay in my Topaz build was $4,500 for a used Honda 90hp
> outboard. I am guessing that I have spent $1,000 on epoxy as my
> second biggest expense. Plenty of other expenses, but none bigger.
> (I suppose a custom trailer might cost $3,000, but I am leaning
> towards using a rental flatbed truck to launch instead of buying and
> storing a trailer.)
>
> As to time, I have spent my freely available spare time over three
> plus years, without letting my day-to-day life suffer too much.
>
> That said, I cannot imagine a 'boat' value of $60K, but valuation
> depends more on the market conditions more than the cost.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:19 AM, John Bell <yonderman@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > How much of the asking price do we think is the included fishing permits?
> >
> > What do you think the boat alone is worth? My guess is around $60-70K.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330
> >>
> >> If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean for sale on ebay right now...
> >
> >
>
Asking price $134,885.00. I don't know fishing permits, but am
guessing purchasing this boat amounts to purchasing a (likely)
profitable business. Assuming if a business that might net $70K per
year, buying that business at 2x net would be roughly reasonable.
Open for disagreements, of course.

As to what the hull is worth... I am very close to the finish of a
build of another 31 foot Bolger boat, a Topaz, pretty close in scope
to Robin Jean. I haven't been tracking my cost or my time. The
biggest cash outlay in my Topaz build was $4,500 for a used Honda 90hp
outboard. I am guessing that I have spent $1,000 on epoxy as my
second biggest expense. Plenty of other expenses, but none bigger.
(I suppose a custom trailer might cost $3,000, but I am leaning
towards using a rental flatbed truck to launch instead of buying and
storing a trailer.)

As to time, I have spent my freely available spare time over three
plus years, without letting my day-to-day life suffer too much.

That said, I cannot imagine a 'boat' value of $60K, but valuation
depends more on the market conditions more than the cost.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:19 AM, John Bell <yonderman@...> wrote:
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>
>
> How much of the asking price do we think is the included fishing permits?
>
> What do you think the boat alone is worth? My guess is around $60-70K.
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330
>>
>> If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean for sale on ebay right now...
>
>
How much of the asking price do we think is the included fishing permits?
What do you think the boat alone is worth? My guess is around $60-70K.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bruce Hallman<hallman@...>wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330

If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean for sale on ebay right now...


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260496806330

If I am not mistaken, that is the new PB&F advanced fishing boat Robin Jean for sale on ebay right now...