Re: [bolger] Re: Streached Catfish
prairiedog2332 wrote:
micro is. After all in tidal waters when the tide goes out and fairly
heavy boat sets on the beach you might say it's beachable.The thing is
can you drag it back off the beach before the tide comes back in. I have
a 20ft Elver and it sure as heck is not beachable from any practical
stand point in tidal waters. A lake is another thing. With my Elver it's
not a problem to step off in a foot of water and wade ashore but in most
locations it better not be at high tide. You will find yourself grunting
and groaning as you try to push a 900 lb boat back into the water.
Doug
>The micro may be beachable in tidal waters but I don't think the long
> Hi Simon,
>
> I think I "get the picture". You will be probably coasting from
> Coloundra down to Diamond Head to start off with and maybe into Pelican
> Waters and Bells Creek? Thereby avoiding the tide rips for the most part
> but requiring "beachability" in a hull that is quite seaworthy and
> sleeps four.
>
> I see the NIS26 draws 30 cm (12") with the board up.
>
>http://www.nisboats.com/mainpages/nis26.html
> <http://www.nisboats.com/mainpages/nis26.html>
>
> This is the same as the Chebacco, whereas the Beachcat, probably a bit
> less. I am pretty sure Caroline and Caprice draw less than that, as does
> the Martha Jane.
>
> The reason I say that is that Michalak drew plans for a design (Called
> Eisbox) with the same inboard rudder set-up as the two Bolger designs
> and stated, "I don't care for the rudder set-up for two reasons: It
> effectively doubles the draft and I prefer a deep (kick-up) rudder for
> steering. (Compared to the shallow rudder with end plate.) The Eisbox
> man was sure the draft would not prevent him from dry shoe beaching in
> his area, time will tell." However the boat was never built and Jim
> withdrew the plans from his plans pages. The big advantage of the
> inboard rudder is the motor location, right on the centerline, nice to
> have if you have to motor sail.
>
> Both Micro and Long Micro are quite beachable as well since the forward
> section of the keel is very shallow, althought the stern draws about 40
> cm. So best with a beach that has some slope to it.
>
> Two other Michalak designs, based on the Micro, but without a keel
> protruding below are Picara and Blobster, both with the aft deck large
> enough to sleep two in the cockpit.
>
> I would choose a design with a cat yawl rig, as the mizzen is a great
> advantage over a cat rig, for a beginning sailor.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Pummicestone Passage is north of Deception Bay, it's the water
> between the mainlaind and Bribie Island. We are at the very northern
> end, not far from Golden Beach.
> >
>
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micro is. After all in tidal waters when the tide goes out and fairly
heavy boat sets on the beach you might say it's beachable.The thing is
can you drag it back off the beach before the tide comes back in. I have
a 20ft Elver and it sure as heck is not beachable from any practical
stand point in tidal waters. A lake is another thing. With my Elver it's
not a problem to step off in a foot of water and wade ashore but in most
locations it better not be at high tide. You will find yourself grunting
and groaning as you try to push a 900 lb boat back into the water.
Doug
Hi Simon,
I think I "get the picture". You will be probably coasting from
Coloundra down to Diamond Head to start off with and maybe into Pelican
Waters and Bells Creek? Thereby avoiding the tide rips for the most part
but requiring "beachability" in a hull that is quite seaworthy and
sleeps four.
I see the NIS26 draws 30 cm (12") with the board up.
http://www.nisboats.com/mainpages/nis26.html
This is the same as the Chebacco, whereas the Beachcat, probably a bit
less. I am pretty sure Caroline and Caprice draw less than that, as does
the Martha Jane.
The reason I say that is that Michalak drew plans for a design (Called
Eisbox) with the same inboard rudder set-up as the two Bolger designs
and stated, "I don't care for the rudder set-up for two reasons: It
effectively doubles the draft and I prefer a deep (kick-up) rudder for
steering. (Compared to the shallow rudder with end plate.) The Eisbox
man was sure the draft would not prevent him from dry shoe beaching in
his area, time will tell." However the boat was never built and Jim
withdrew the plans from his plans pages. The big advantage of the
inboard rudder is the motor location, right on the centerline, nice to
have if you have to motor sail.
Both Micro and Long Micro are quite beachable as well since the forward
section of the keel is very shallow, althought the stern draws about 40
cm. So best with a beach that has some slope to it.
Two other Michalak designs, based on the Micro, but without a keel
protruding below are Picara and Blobster, both with the aft deck large
enough to sleep two in the cockpit.
I would choose a design with a cat yawl rig, as the mizzen is a great
advantage over a cat rig, for a beginning sailor.
Nels
I think I "get the picture". You will be probably coasting from
Coloundra down to Diamond Head to start off with and maybe into Pelican
Waters and Bells Creek? Thereby avoiding the tide rips for the most part
but requiring "beachability" in a hull that is quite seaworthy and
sleeps four.
I see the NIS26 draws 30 cm (12") with the board up.
http://www.nisboats.com/mainpages/nis26.html
This is the same as the Chebacco, whereas the Beachcat, probably a bit
less. I am pretty sure Caroline and Caprice draw less than that, as does
the Martha Jane.
The reason I say that is that Michalak drew plans for a design (Called
Eisbox) with the same inboard rudder set-up as the two Bolger designs
and stated, "I don't care for the rudder set-up for two reasons: It
effectively doubles the draft and I prefer a deep (kick-up) rudder for
steering. (Compared to the shallow rudder with end plate.) The Eisbox
man was sure the draft would not prevent him from dry shoe beaching in
his area, time will tell." However the boat was never built and Jim
withdrew the plans from his plans pages. The big advantage of the
inboard rudder is the motor location, right on the centerline, nice to
have if you have to motor sail.
Both Micro and Long Micro are quite beachable as well since the forward
section of the keel is very shallow, althought the stern draws about 40
cm. So best with a beach that has some slope to it.
Two other Michalak designs, based on the Micro, but without a keel
protruding below are Picara and Blobster, both with the aft deck large
enough to sleep two in the cockpit.
I would choose a design with a cat yawl rig, as the mizzen is a great
advantage over a cat rig, for a beginning sailor.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Pummicestone Passage is north of Deception Bay, it's the water
between the mainlaind and Bribie Island. We are at the very northern
end, not far from Golden Beach.
>
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:28 PM, simonfbroad <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
the cabin and the cockpit of a 15'4" Bolger Micro. This is achieved
by having the feet of the bed in the cabin extend underneath the
seating surface of the cockpit.
see here, the grid spacing is 12"
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2649810877_0f6ff41f86.jpg
>PCB has provided room for a 6 foot person or two to lie down in both
> One of the reasons I was looking to a 17ft hull was to get enough space for a 6ft person to lay down in both the cabin and the cockpit.
the cabin and the cockpit of a 15'4" Bolger Micro. This is achieved
by having the feet of the bed in the cabin extend underneath the
seating surface of the cockpit.
see here, the grid spacing is 12"
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2649810877_0f6ff41f86.jpg
J
One of the reasons I was looking to a 17ft hull was to get enough space for a 6ft person to lay down in both the cabin and the cockpit.
The reason for upsizing a Catfish as opposed to anything that is already that size is that the hull constructions appears quite straight forward (as opposed to something like the Cape Code cats at that size) and economical of materials - and as this would actually be boat number two, maybe I should be learning to scarf?
The reasons for adding a cabin are mainly for a weekend away, but also somewhere (indoors) for a porta-potti on those family days out.
Still not sure how people think Catfish would perform up and down the coast, maybe it is not the right design for that ? Maybe you can't have a boat that is a good coastal cruiser and shallow water day boat ?
Performance is not something I am concerned about, one of the things about Catfish is that it is reasonably beamy compared to other designs I was looking at. Unless I go for the Fennick Williams or Charles Witholz Cape Code catboats, or at the other end of the scale Jim Michelak's FatCat2 or Picara.
Anyway
Thanks for the advice
Not settled on one design yet but enjoy looking at options, even if it does get a bit frustrating at times.
Cheers
Simon.
One of the reasons I was looking to a 17ft hull was to get enough space for a 6ft person to lay down in both the cabin and the cockpit.
The reason for upsizing a Catfish as opposed to anything that is already that size is that the hull constructions appears quite straight forward (as opposed to something like the Cape Code cats at that size) and economical of materials - and as this would actually be boat number two, maybe I should be learning to scarf?
The reasons for adding a cabin are mainly for a weekend away, but also somewhere (indoors) for a porta-potti on those family days out.
Still not sure how people think Catfish would perform up and down the coast, maybe it is not the right design for that ? Maybe you can't have a boat that is a good coastal cruiser and shallow water day boat ?
Performance is not something I am concerned about, one of the things about Catfish is that it is reasonably beamy compared to other designs I was looking at. Unless I go for the Fennick Williams or Charles Witholz Cape Code catboats, or at the other end of the scale Jim Michelak's FatCat2 or Picara.
Anyway
Thanks for the advice
Not settled on one design yet but enjoy looking at options, even if it does get a bit frustrating at times.
Cheers
Simon.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@...> wrote:
>
> I think it's great that you're starting with a small boat. I was going to
> suggest a Teal, but you've got something similar coming along.
>
> Small boats are great for learning to sail. They're easy to launch and easy
> to right after a capsize. But most of all, you feel everything happening in
> the boat. Every gust & lull, every swell. You keep tiller in one hand and
> sheet in the other, and you can learn to keep the boat in good
> trim continuously.
>
> I really like the shallow draft of my Bobcat. (I do which it could carry
> more people, since we're a family of 5. I also wish it was lighter, so it
> was easier to remove from the trailer back home. Those two wishes conflict,
> oh well.) Anyway, with centerboard up and the boat empty, it draws a couple
> inches - great for beaching. Loaded the draft is still really small, so I
> can go anywhere with it. More fun that way, for sure.
>
> In general, smaller boats are easier to launch, easier to maintain, hold
> more people, and are more fun. Decks & cabins compete with cockpits for
> available space.
>
> Where I live, regulations get way more complicated as soon as overall length
> passes 16'. If you can build 15'9" you may be able to dodge a lot of that.
> 17' seems like only a small gain (1') for a lot more headache. You can
> always choose a beamy design, often gaining stability & cockpit room at a
> small cost of performance. But, at least for me, performance of a boat is
> not near the top of my list.
>
> Be sure to browsehttp://bolger.wikidot.com/bolger:smallsailboats
>
> Also, I'd recommend reading some of Bolger's books. I learned a lot doing
> that. Some are out of print, but my wonderful library had many.
>
> -J
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM, simonfbroad <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Nels
> >
> > Hi, thanks for the response.
> > I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first
> > boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it
> > very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
> >
> > I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will
> > be quite varied.
> > We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are
> > right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm
> > told there is only 8 inches of water.
> > I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial
> > stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we
> > share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
> >
> > I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast
> > for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the
> > Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
> >
> > I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by
> > Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten
> > round to it yet.
> >
> > Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on
> > my must read list :o)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "prairiedog2332"
> > <arvent@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Simon,
> > >
> > > Lengthening a hull like Catfish Beachcruiser could be a real challenge,
> > > because the hull was designed for standard 4 X 8 plywood and it would
> > > take a lot added work with scarfing and fitting in my opinion to
> > > lengthen it.
> > >
> > > If you are just starting out in boat building I would suggest Windsprint
> > > along with the book "Build the new Instant Boats." Depending of course
> > > on how large your family is and what kind of area and conditions you
> > > intend to sail in.
> > >
> > > The next step up from the Catfish is Chebacco and it comes in about six
> > > different configurations, one with a keel like Catfish and a glassed in
> > > house
> > >
> > > Build a scale model first no matter what you do and have a "figure" the
> > > same scale to judge the space available in the hull.
> > >
> > > Nels
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "simonfbroad"
> > <simonfbroad@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
> > > >
> > > > In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it
> > > a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog
> > > on board.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft,
> > > and maybe add a small cabin?
> > > >
> > > > I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams
> > > designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more
> > > complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs
> > > and plan sets.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > > ------
> > > > Wannabe Sailor
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Yes, Pummicestone Passage is north of Deception Bay, it's the water between the mainlaind and Bribie Island. We are at the very northern end, not far from Golden Beach.
Not sure what the winds are like, I suspect the island blocks most of it, though I do know there is a juy in Brisbane who sails his 26ft NIS up the passage (actually I think he motors most of the way).
As to the tide, well it really rips through the narrow parts, so fast you cannot swim the hundred meters from Caloundra to Bribie without a high probability of being swept out to sea. But the 'lagoon' at the north end seems to attract a few sailors, wind & kite surfers, and the like.
I did look at Jim's Caroline, but I notice he rarely quotes the draft of any of his designs so I wasn't sure how suitable it would be for the passage. The main attraction of his designs is the simplicity, and amount of boat you appear to get out of a small number of sheets of ply. I started looking at the AF3 and was very close to ordering plans for FatCat2 when it was suggested that Phil's Catfish might be a better boat.
I believe those three C's are the only ones Jim says are "seaworthy" - i.e. for open water, I will look at them again I think, I am starting to think that I am going to need two more boats.
If I did upsize a Catfish then I might consider changing the rigging to avoid that long boom (though I do like the look) but I've read that a sailplan like the NISBoats (Cat Ketch?) is supposed to be easy to handle and forgiving on the inexperienced. But now I am talking about changing it so much that it is not really the same boat anymore and maybe I should be looking a something else...
Hence I have been going round in circles for the last year trying to work out the best option.
Anyway,
Thanks for the advice
Not sure what the winds are like, I suspect the island blocks most of it, though I do know there is a juy in Brisbane who sails his 26ft NIS up the passage (actually I think he motors most of the way).
As to the tide, well it really rips through the narrow parts, so fast you cannot swim the hundred meters from Caloundra to Bribie without a high probability of being swept out to sea. But the 'lagoon' at the north end seems to attract a few sailors, wind & kite surfers, and the like.
I did look at Jim's Caroline, but I notice he rarely quotes the draft of any of his designs so I wasn't sure how suitable it would be for the passage. The main attraction of his designs is the simplicity, and amount of boat you appear to get out of a small number of sheets of ply. I started looking at the AF3 and was very close to ordering plans for FatCat2 when it was suggested that Phil's Catfish might be a better boat.
I believe those three C's are the only ones Jim says are "seaworthy" - i.e. for open water, I will look at them again I think, I am starting to think that I am going to need two more boats.
If I did upsize a Catfish then I might consider changing the rigging to avoid that long boom (though I do like the look) but I've read that a sailplan like the NISBoats (Cat Ketch?) is supposed to be easy to handle and forgiving on the inexperienced. But now I am talking about changing it so much that it is not really the same boat anymore and maybe I should be looking a something else...
Hence I have been going round in circles for the last year trying to work out the best option.
Anyway,
Thanks for the advice
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Simon,
>
> Is Pummicestone Passage just north of Deception Bay? Looks to be a very
> nice area. How are the winds and tides in that area?
>
> Now I know the location, size of your family and that you have Jim's
> book, you might want to consider the three "C"s - Caroline, Caprice and
> Cormorant - all with water ballast and off-shore capability. Caprice is
> probably one of the larger boats regularly towed all over with a small
> 4-banger vehicle by Duckworks owners Chuck and Sandra Leinweber.
>
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caprice/index.htm
>
> Garth Battista, the publisher of Jim's book and many others, built the
> first Cormorant and sailed it out in Long Island Sound.
>
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/cormorant/index.htm
>
> Caroline is shorter and lighter and plans were completed after Jim's
> book was published. It created a lot of interest at the 2010 Newport
> Woodenboat show. I was displayed on it's trailer with the slot hoop-tent
> up which gives standing headroom inside.
>
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caroline/index.htm
>
> All three designs are based on the same hull shape and Jim talks about
> the challenges of up-sizing a hull. I don't like the looks of his bow
> design compared to the Bolger cats but I guess the plywood bends are
> easier and it works very well in big waves and chop.
>
> I too have always loved the profile of the Fishcat Beachcruiser, but I
> would be a bit intimidated by that long boom, especially if the boat was
> upsized to make it even longer. The sail rig on Caroline is much more
> relaxing in my view and a fellow also drew a junk rig as an option. Not
> the one shown at the link above though. That one did not work too well
> going upwind.
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@> wrote:
> >
> > Nels
> >
> > Hi, thanks for the response.
> > I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very
> first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to
> outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes
> on it).
> >
> > I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out
> will be quite varied.
> > We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage
> are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in
> places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> > I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial
> stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially
> as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
> >
> > I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the
> coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat
> or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
> >
> > I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one
> by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't
> gotten round to it yet.
> >
> > Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book
> on my must read list :o)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
>
I think it's great that you're starting with a small boat. I was going to suggest a Teal, but you've got something similar coming along.
Small boats are great for learning to sail. They're easy to launch and easy to right after a capsize. But most of all, you feel everything happening in the boat. Every gust & lull, every swell. You keep tiller in one hand and sheet in the other, and you can learn to keep the boat in good trim continuously.
I really like the shallow draft of my Bobcat. (I do which it could carry more people, since we're a family of 5. I also wish it was lighter, so it was easier to remove from the trailer back home. Those two wishes conflict, oh well.) Anyway, with centerboard up and the boat empty, it draws a couple inches - great for beaching. Loaded the draft is still really small, so I can go anywhere with it. More fun that way, for sure.
In general, smaller boats are easier to launch, easier to maintain, hold more people, and are more fun. Decks & cabins compete with cockpits for available space.
Where I live, regulations get way more complicated as soon as overall length passes 16'. If you can build 15'9" you may be able to dodge a lot of that. 17' seems like only a small gain (1') for a lot more headache. You can always choose a beamy design, often gaining stability & cockpit room at a small cost of performance. But, at least for me, performance of a boat is not near the top of my list.
Be sure to browsehttp://bolger.wikidot.com/bolger:smallsailboats
Also, I'd recommend reading some of Bolger's books. I learned a lot doing that. Some are out of print, but my wonderful library had many.
-J
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM, simonfbroad<simonfbroad@...>wrote:Nels
Hi, thanks for the response.
I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
Cheers
Simon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Simon,
>
> Lengthening a hull like Catfish Beachcruiser could be a real challenge,
> because the hull was designed for standard 4 X 8 plywood and it would
> take a lot added work with scarfing and fitting in my opinion to
> lengthen it.
>
> If you are just starting out in boat building I would suggest Windsprint
> along with the book "Build the new Instant Boats." Depending of course
> on how large your family is and what kind of area and conditions you
> intend to sail in.
>
> The next step up from the Catfish is Chebacco and it comes in about six
> different configurations, one with a keel like Catfish and a glassed in
> house
>
> Build a scale model first no matter what you do and have a "figure" the
> same scale to judge the space available in the hull.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
> >
> > In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it
> a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog
> on board.
> >
> > Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft,
> and maybe add a small cabin?
> >
> > I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams
> designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more
> complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs
> and plan sets.
> >
> > Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
> >
> > Simon
> > ------
> > Wannabe Sailor
> >
>
Simon,
Is Pummicestone Passage just north of Deception Bay? Looks to be a very
nice area. How are the winds and tides in that area?
Now I know the location, size of your family and that you have Jim's
book, you might want to consider the three "C"s - Caroline, Caprice and
Cormorant - all with water ballast and off-shore capability. Caprice is
probably one of the larger boats regularly towed all over with a small
4-banger vehicle by Duckworks owners Chuck and Sandra Leinweber.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caprice/index.htm
Garth Battista, the publisher of Jim's book and many others, built the
first Cormorant and sailed it out in Long Island Sound.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/cormorant/index.htm
Caroline is shorter and lighter and plans were completed after Jim's
book was published. It created a lot of interest at the 2010 Newport
Woodenboat show. I was displayed on it's trailer with the slot hoop-tent
up which gives standing headroom inside.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caroline/index.htm
All three designs are based on the same hull shape and Jim talks about
the challenges of up-sizing a hull. I don't like the looks of his bow
design compared to the Bolger cats but I guess the plywood bends are
easier and it works very well in big waves and chop.
I too have always loved the profile of the Fishcat Beachcruiser, but I
would be a bit intimidated by that long boom, especially if the boat was
upsized to make it even longer. The sail rig on Caroline is much more
relaxing in my view and a fellow also drew a junk rig as an option. Not
the one shown at the link above though. That one did not work too well
going upwind.
Nels
Is Pummicestone Passage just north of Deception Bay? Looks to be a very
nice area. How are the winds and tides in that area?
Now I know the location, size of your family and that you have Jim's
book, you might want to consider the three "C"s - Caroline, Caprice and
Cormorant - all with water ballast and off-shore capability. Caprice is
probably one of the larger boats regularly towed all over with a small
4-banger vehicle by Duckworks owners Chuck and Sandra Leinweber.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caprice/index.htm
Garth Battista, the publisher of Jim's book and many others, built the
first Cormorant and sailed it out in Long Island Sound.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/cormorant/index.htm
Caroline is shorter and lighter and plans were completed after Jim's
book was published. It created a lot of interest at the 2010 Newport
Woodenboat show. I was displayed on it's trailer with the slot hoop-tent
up which gives standing headroom inside.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/caroline/index.htm
All three designs are based on the same hull shape and Jim talks about
the challenges of up-sizing a hull. I don't like the looks of his bow
design compared to the Bolger cats but I guess the plywood bends are
easier and it works very well in big waves and chop.
I too have always loved the profile of the Fishcat Beachcruiser, but I
would be a bit intimidated by that long boom, especially if the boat was
upsized to make it even longer. The sail rig on Caroline is much more
relaxing in my view and a fellow also drew a junk rig as an option. Not
the one shown at the link above though. That one did not work too well
going upwind.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
>
> Nels
>
> Hi, thanks for the response.
> I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very
first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to
outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes
on it).
>
> I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out
will be quite varied.
> We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage
are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in
places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial
stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially
as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
>
> I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the
coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat
or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
>
> I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one
by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't
gotten round to it yet.
>
> Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book
on my must read list :o)
>
> Cheers
> Simon
I disagree with the statement that any of Bolgers boats will fall over too easy. The Bobcat, Beach cat and Chebacco boats are all fairly wide boats with a very good inherent stability. I had a Bobcat and I never did tip it over. I sailed it in some pretty rough conditions too, including the inaugual Texas200. Bolger claimed that a Chebacco had never been capsized, I do not know if this still holds true or not. For the type of sailing that you have described I would highly recommend the Beachcat in the new design configuration with the centerboard. The bobcat was huge boat for a 12 foot boat, huge in volume and carrying capacity due to the beam. I think the Catfish should be likewaise. I am seriously considering building this boat myself.
Bobby Chilek
Bobby Chilek
Simon,
First, it is possible to capsize any boat given enough wind and wave action. PCB writes that anyone thinking differently need only put a model boat in the surf.
Boats generally stay right side up because of form stability (the resistance to heeling created by the shape of the boat) and ballast (which can be fixed—lead or water—or moveable—crew weight). Sailboats sail because of the force of the wind on the sail balanced against the resistance of the hull/boards/rudder. The force of the wind on the sails causes the boat to heel. This heeling force is balanced by the shape of the hull (form stability) and by the crew sitting to one side or “hiking”.
In general, boats without fixed ballast can be sailed at angles of about 30 degrees. Much past that, and they tend to capsize or fall over. Unfortunately, heeling and speed often go hand in hand and so it is tempting to keep pushing for more speed. This often leads to capsize. The other cause of capsize is sailing down wind in heavy wind where a broach or sudden jibe can dump the boat. All of this can be avoided by prudence. Avoid heavy wind. If you can’t avoid it, reduce sail (reefing works wonderfully to turn a white knuckle experience into a relaxing sail). And avoid sailing straight down wind.
If you do capsize, the boat design and construction can help in recovery. A water tight compartment in the bow and the stern will help. Enclosed seats along the side of the boat will minimize the amount of water in the boat when you get it back up. And some sort of bucket attached to the boat will get most of the water out fairly quickly.
If you are learning to sail, I would suggest a small, cheap boat to start out with. You can knock a PD Racer or a flat bottomed pram by PCB or Michalak out for a minimum investment in time and money. If you find that you really like to sail, you can then move on to a more ambitious boat.
If it matters, the PCB family of boats which includes Beach Cat consists of Bobcat (aka Tiny Cat) and Chebacco. And if it matters, Chebacco’s mizzen makes it much more pleasant to sail or pick up a mooring than any straight catboat.
Have fun.
JohnT
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Ofsimonfbroad
Sent:Wednesday, November 11, 2009
11:28 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: Streached
Beachcat
Patrick
Nice looking boat, but I kind of like the Beachcat.
There was an update to the original design that has a centreboard, and that
would be my perference.
My main decision is whether to try and upsize the Beachcat, find something that
was designed bigger, or build it as it is and just accept that I'll have to
build another boat in a couple of year time (what a shame!)
I like the look of Jim Mitchelak's FatCat2 too, but people spend so much time
saying how easy his boats are to right again after a knock-down that I worry
that maybe they just fall over a little too easy?
Or maybe I could down-scale a Chebacco ?
cheers
Simon
------
Wannabe Sailor
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com,
Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@. ..> wrote:
>a
> Simon:
>
> If you may stray into 8" of water you will want to avoid a boat with
> dagger board. Opt for a pivoting board -- either lee boards orwet.
> centerboard. A dagger board is a great annoyance when the water shoals
> rapidly. I speak from experience -- the issue is that when you go
> aground, if there is any wind at all, there's a fair chance you will be
> jumping out into thigh-deep water to hold the boat off the ground enough
> to get the board up (otherwise the wind pins the board between the
> ground and the sides of the case). Also, the grinding noise when what
> you hit is oysters instead of sand is heart-rending.
>
> If you do opt for a Windsprint (as someone here suggested), I have seen
> one with a lee board which seemed to sail as well as mine with the
> dagger board. No easy way to put a motor on a Windsprint, so if that's
> important the Windsprint is out, anyway. I have sailed my Windsprint in
> 6" of water, BTW. Reaching is fine (in light air), and for going into
> the wind I just get out and pull the boat.
>
> You might also want to consider whether you want a dry boat. I don't
> think I've ever sailed my Windsprint without getting at least my bottom
>very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
> Some Windsprint photos athttp://www.patrickc rockett.com/ boats
>
> Patrick
>
> simonfbroad wrote:
> > Nels
> >
> > Hi, thanks for the response.
> > I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a
> >will be quite varied.
> > I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out
> > We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passageare right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> > I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initialstability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
> >coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
> > I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the
> >by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
> > I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one
> >book on my must read list :o)
> > Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> >
>
Any of Bolger's or Michalak's unballasted designs will "fall over a little too easy," including my BolgerJune Bug. Then one has to right the boat, gather all the gear, and bail water that is up to the gunwales - from outside the boat, because trying to get back in will roll her over again. My option was to accept a tow to the nearby beach.
Another solution would be a boat that does not fill up when knocked down. For that, one needs a design with some decking on the sides. See Bolger's Birdwatcher, or Michalak's JewelBox and other Birdwatcher types. And if one is going to that much trouble, adding ballast to make the boat self-righting seems worth the effort. See Jim Michalak's Picara. The Picara, with 500 pounds of inside steel ballast weighs about 1300 pounds empty.
Too heavy for your little four banger to tow? Consider a design with water ballast, such as Mickalak'sBlobster (seehttp://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/jim/blobster/index.htm) or similar design. Or move up to a boat that will "sleep four if two of them are small," Bolger's Martha Jane, (seehttp://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/martha_jane/)
"This advice is free, and worth every penny."
Regards,
Bill Howard
Nellysford VA
On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:27 PM, simonfbroad wrote:
Patrick
Nice looking boat, but I kind of like the Beachcat.
There was an update to the original design that has a centreboard, and that would be my perference.
My main decision is whether to try and upsize the Beachcat, find something that was designed bigger, or build it as it is and just accept that I'll have to build another boat in a couple of year time (what a shame!)
I like the look of Jim Mitchelak's FatCat2 too, but people spend so much time saying how easy his boats are to right again after a knock-down that I worry that maybe they just fall over a little too easy?
Or maybe I could down-scale a Chebacco ?
cheers
Simon
------
Wannabe Sailor
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@. ..> wrote:
>
> Simon:
>
> If you may stray into 8" of water you will want to avoid a boat with a
> dagger board. Opt for a pivoting board -- either lee boards or
> centerboard. A dagger board is a great annoyance when the water shoals
> rapidly. I speak from experience -- the issue is that when you go
> aground, if there is any wind at all, there's a fair chance you will be
> jumping out into thigh-deep water to hold the boat off the ground enough
> to get the board up (otherwise the wind pins the board between the
> ground and the sides of the case). Also, the grinding noise when what
> you hit is oysters instead of sand is heart-rending.
>
> If you do opt for a Windsprint (as someone here suggested), I have seen
> one with a lee board which seemed to sail as well as mine with the
> dagger board. No easy way to put a motor on a Windsprint, so if that's
> important the Windsprint is out, anyway. I have sailed my Windsprint in
> 6" of water, BTW. Reaching is fine (in light air), and for going into
> the wind I just get out and pull the boat.
>
> You might also want to consider whether you want a dry boat. I don't
> think I've ever sailed my Windsprint without getting at least my bottom wet.
>
> Some Windsprint photos athttp://www.patrickc rockett.com/ boats
>
> Patrick
>
> simonfbroad wrote:
> > Nels
> >
> > Hi, thanks for the response.
> > I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
> >
> > I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
> > We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> > I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
> >
> > I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
> >
> > I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
> >
> > Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> >
>
Patrick
Nice looking boat, but I kind of like the Beachcat.
There was an update to the original design that has a centreboard, and that would be my perference.
My main decision is whether to try and upsize the Beachcat, find something that was designed bigger, or build it as it is and just accept that I'll have to build another boat in a couple of year time (what a shame!)
I like the look of Jim Mitchelak's FatCat2 too, but people spend so much time saying how easy his boats are to right again after a knock-down that I worry that maybe they just fall over a little too easy?
Or maybe I could down-scale a Chebacco ?
cheers
Simon
------
Wannabe Sailor
Nice looking boat, but I kind of like the Beachcat.
There was an update to the original design that has a centreboard, and that would be my perference.
My main decision is whether to try and upsize the Beachcat, find something that was designed bigger, or build it as it is and just accept that I'll have to build another boat in a couple of year time (what a shame!)
I like the look of Jim Mitchelak's FatCat2 too, but people spend so much time saying how easy his boats are to right again after a knock-down that I worry that maybe they just fall over a little too easy?
Or maybe I could down-scale a Chebacco ?
cheers
Simon
------
Wannabe Sailor
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...> wrote:
>
> Simon:
>
> If you may stray into 8" of water you will want to avoid a boat with a
> dagger board. Opt for a pivoting board -- either lee boards or
> centerboard. A dagger board is a great annoyance when the water shoals
> rapidly. I speak from experience -- the issue is that when you go
> aground, if there is any wind at all, there's a fair chance you will be
> jumping out into thigh-deep water to hold the boat off the ground enough
> to get the board up (otherwise the wind pins the board between the
> ground and the sides of the case). Also, the grinding noise when what
> you hit is oysters instead of sand is heart-rending.
>
> If you do opt for a Windsprint (as someone here suggested), I have seen
> one with a lee board which seemed to sail as well as mine with the
> dagger board. No easy way to put a motor on a Windsprint, so if that's
> important the Windsprint is out, anyway. I have sailed my Windsprint in
> 6" of water, BTW. Reaching is fine (in light air), and for going into
> the wind I just get out and pull the boat.
>
> You might also want to consider whether you want a dry boat. I don't
> think I've ever sailed my Windsprint without getting at least my bottom wet.
>
> Some Windsprint photos athttp://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats
>
> Patrick
>
> simonfbroad wrote:
> > Nels
> >
> > Hi, thanks for the response.
> > I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
> >
> > I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
> > We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> > I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
> >
> > I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
> >
> > I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
> >
> > Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Simon
> >
> >
>
Simon:
If you may stray into 8" of water you will want to avoid a boat with a
dagger board. Opt for a pivoting board -- either lee boards or
centerboard. A dagger board is a great annoyance when the water shoals
rapidly. I speak from experience -- the issue is that when you go
aground, if there is any wind at all, there's a fair chance you will be
jumping out into thigh-deep water to hold the boat off the ground enough
to get the board up (otherwise the wind pins the board between the
ground and the sides of the case). Also, the grinding noise when what
you hit is oysters instead of sand is heart-rending.
If you do opt for a Windsprint (as someone here suggested), I have seen
one with a lee board which seemed to sail as well as mine with the
dagger board. No easy way to put a motor on a Windsprint, so if that's
important the Windsprint is out, anyway. I have sailed my Windsprint in
6" of water, BTW. Reaching is fine (in light air), and for going into
the wind I just get out and pull the boat.
You might also want to consider whether you want a dry boat. I don't
think I've ever sailed my Windsprint without getting at least my bottom wet.
Some Windsprint photos athttp://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats
Patrick
simonfbroad wrote:
If you may stray into 8" of water you will want to avoid a boat with a
dagger board. Opt for a pivoting board -- either lee boards or
centerboard. A dagger board is a great annoyance when the water shoals
rapidly. I speak from experience -- the issue is that when you go
aground, if there is any wind at all, there's a fair chance you will be
jumping out into thigh-deep water to hold the boat off the ground enough
to get the board up (otherwise the wind pins the board between the
ground and the sides of the case). Also, the grinding noise when what
you hit is oysters instead of sand is heart-rending.
If you do opt for a Windsprint (as someone here suggested), I have seen
one with a lee board which seemed to sail as well as mine with the
dagger board. No easy way to put a motor on a Windsprint, so if that's
important the Windsprint is out, anyway. I have sailed my Windsprint in
6" of water, BTW. Reaching is fine (in light air), and for going into
the wind I just get out and pull the boat.
You might also want to consider whether you want a dry boat. I don't
think I've ever sailed my Windsprint without getting at least my bottom wet.
Some Windsprint photos athttp://www.patrickcrockett.com/boats
Patrick
simonfbroad wrote:
> Nels
>
> Hi, thanks for the response.
> I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
>
> I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
> We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
> I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
>
> I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
>
> I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
>
> Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
>
> Cheers
> Simon
>
>
Nels
Hi, thanks for the response.
I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
Cheers
Simon
Hi, thanks for the response.
I'm actually building David Beede's "Summer Breeze" as a very very first boat, just to 'get my hands dirty' as it were, but I expect to outgrow it very quickly (and I'm making all those first-timer mistakes on it).
I have 4 children and 3 grandchildren, so permutations for a day out will be quite varied.
We live in S.E. Queensland and quiet waters like Pummicestone Passage are right on our door step, hence the desire for a shallow draft, in places I'm told there is only 8 inches of water.
I understand that the wide beam, in calm waters, gives a good initial stability and this might be good for some of my passengers, especially as we share the water with jetski's and tinnies.
I also would like for the wife and I to be able to go up or down the coast for a weekend now and then - not sure if that means another boat or if the Beachcat would be suitable for both uses.
I have read Jim Michelak's book, and the Ultrasimple Boatbuilding one by Gavin Atkins. The Instant Boats book is on my list to read, haven't gotten round to it yet.
Still got an Open Mind about it all though - (hey, that's another book on my must read list :o)
Cheers
Simon
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Simon,
>
> Lengthening a hull like Catfish Beachcruiser could be a real challenge,
> because the hull was designed for standard 4 X 8 plywood and it would
> take a lot added work with scarfing and fitting in my opinion to
> lengthen it.
>
> If you are just starting out in boat building I would suggest Windsprint
> along with the book "Build the new Instant Boats." Depending of course
> on how large your family is and what kind of area and conditions you
> intend to sail in.
>
> The next step up from the Catfish is Chebacco and it comes in about six
> different configurations, one with a keel like Catfish and a glassed in
> house
>
> Build a scale model first no matter what you do and have a "figure" the
> same scale to judge the space available in the hull.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
> >
> > In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it
> a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog
> on board.
> >
> > Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft,
> and maybe add a small cabin?
> >
> > I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams
> designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more
> complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs
> and plan sets.
> >
> > Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
> >
> > Simon
> > ------
> > Wannabe Sailor
> >
>
Simon,
Lengthening a hull like Catfish Beachcruiser could be a real challenge,
because the hull was designed for standard 4 X 8 plywood and it would
take a lot added work with scarfing and fitting in my opinion to
lengthen it.
If you are just starting out in boat building I would suggest Windsprint
along with the book "Build the new Instant Boats." Depending of course
on how large your family is and what kind of area and conditions you
intend to sail in.
The next step up from the Catfish is Chebacco and it comes in about six
different configurations, one with a keel like Catfish and a glassed in
house
Build a scale model first no matter what you do and have a "figure" the
same scale to judge the space available in the hull.
Nels
Lengthening a hull like Catfish Beachcruiser could be a real challenge,
because the hull was designed for standard 4 X 8 plywood and it would
take a lot added work with scarfing and fitting in my opinion to
lengthen it.
If you are just starting out in boat building I would suggest Windsprint
along with the book "Build the new Instant Boats." Depending of course
on how large your family is and what kind of area and conditions you
intend to sail in.
The next step up from the Catfish is Chebacco and it comes in about six
different configurations, one with a keel like Catfish and a glassed in
house
Build a scale model first no matter what you do and have a "figure" the
same scale to judge the space available in the hull.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "simonfbroad" <simonfbroad@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
>
> In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it
a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog
on board.
>
> Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft,
and maybe add a small cabin?
>
> I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams
designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more
complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs
and plan sets.
>
> Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
>
> Simon
> ------
> Wannabe Sailor
>
Hi
I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog on board.
Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft, and maybe add a small cabin?
I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs and plan sets.
Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
Simon
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Wannabe Sailor
I was thinking about building the Beachcat to learn to sail in.
In order to increase it's long term usability I would like to make it a little larger so I can get all the family, picnic basket, and the dog on board.
Would it be easy (or advisable) to upscale this boat to around 17ft, and maybe add a small cabin?
I looked at things like the Charles Witholz and Fennick Williams designs, very nice, I like the Cape Code look, but they appear much more complex to build and I hear nothing but good about the Bolger designs and plan sets.
Any comments and opinions gratefully received.
Simon
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Wannabe Sailor