Re: Spur II Sailing Rig
I have received a couple of emails of interest off-post so thought I
would share this further idea.
It's about installing a couple of thole pins or an oarlock on the stern
and using a paddle to steer with. Obviously a paddle shaft would be too
short, so would need an extension stick of some kind and secured on an
angle so the paddle is well below the surface of the water and the stick
still more or less horizontal.
DW offers a sculling connector for an oar called a Scullmatix.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/gear/scullmatix/index.htm
But it is designed to be used when standing which is not so good in a
canoe. So maybe something like it with more of an angle between the two
holders. The paddle could be clamped in with the blade vertical for
steering or horizontal for sculling.
DW also offers some other rowing goodies at nice prices.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/oarlocks/index.htm
Nels
would share this further idea.
It's about installing a couple of thole pins or an oarlock on the stern
and using a paddle to steer with. Obviously a paddle shaft would be too
short, so would need an extension stick of some kind and secured on an
angle so the paddle is well below the surface of the water and the stick
still more or less horizontal.
DW offers a sculling connector for an oar called a Scullmatix.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/gear/scullmatix/index.htm
But it is designed to be used when standing which is not so good in a
canoe. So maybe something like it with more of an angle between the two
holders. The paddle could be clamped in with the blade vertical for
steering or horizontal for sculling.
DW also offers some other rowing goodies at nice prices.
http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/oarlocks/index.htm
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> I think I will first try a tiller extension stick since it is the
> simpler of the other two options, and then maybe add the Coquina
> steering line option if it seems preferable.
>
> I also have some old plans for the "Common Sense Pirogue" which has a
> the same steering set-up (yoke on the rudder and "steering ropes").
But
> they just terminate in small arrows pointing forward with no further
> details shown. It did not come with a building key. It is an
> interesting design as it has detachable outriggers for rowing with 7'
> oars as well as a nice little sailing rig option, as well as side
decks
> for hiking and can be paddled like a kayak.
>
>
> Nels
>
Thanks guys,
I think I will first try a tiller extension stick since it is the
simpler of the other two options, and then maybe add the Coquina
steering line option if it seems preferable.
I also have some old plans for the "Common Sense Pirogue" which has a
the same steering set-up (yoke on the rudder and "steering ropes"). But
they just terminate in small arrows pointing forward with no further
details shown. It did not come with a building key. It is an
interesting design as it has detachable outriggers for rowing with 7'
oars as well as a nice little sailing rig option, as well as side decks
for hiking and can be paddled like a kayak.
Nels
I think I will first try a tiller extension stick since it is the
simpler of the other two options, and then maybe add the Coquina
steering line option if it seems preferable.
I also have some old plans for the "Common Sense Pirogue" which has a
the same steering set-up (yoke on the rudder and "steering ropes"). But
they just terminate in small arrows pointing forward with no further
details shown. It did not come with a building key. It is an
interesting design as it has detachable outriggers for rowing with 7'
oars as well as a nice little sailing rig option, as well as side decks
for hiking and can be paddled like a kayak.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Kitchen <akitchen@...> wrote:
>
> One solution is, of course, to hook the lines up to foot pedals. But,
> one I've copied from Herreshoff's Coquina is to have one continuous
> line running from one side of the yoke (say starboard), along the
> starboard gunwale to a small block attached, say, to a bulkhead
> forward or to the gunwale itself, across to the port side, through
> another
> block and back to the port yoke. This continuous line can be pulled
> back and forth with one hand to steer. The great advantage is that
you
> can steer equally well from anywhere in the boat. It may help to
> add some fairleads or run the lines under the deck to avoid their
> getting tangled with other lines.
>
> Andrew
> ______________________________________________________
> Andrew Kitchen
> 155 Thistledown Drive
> Rochester, NY 14617-3048
>
> > The item that puzzles me is the steering set up. It appears there
are
> > two steering lines running from a yoke on the rudder, terminating
with
> > a toggle on each end? My question is - how does one use these
toggles
> > and still have a hand free for the main sheet?
>
One solution is, of course, to hook the lines up to foot pedals. But,
one I've copied from Herreshoff's Coquina is to have one continuous
line running from one side of the yoke (say starboard), along the
starboard gunwale to a small block attached, say, to a bulkhead
forward or to the gunwale itself, across to the port side, through
another
block and back to the port yoke. This continuous line can be pulled
back and forth with one hand to steer. The great advantage is that you
can steer equally well from anywhere in the boat. It may help to
add some fairleads or run the lines under the deck to avoid their
getting tangled with other lines.
Andrew
______________________________________________________
Andrew Kitchen
155 Thistledown Drive
Rochester, NY 14617-3048
one I've copied from Herreshoff's Coquina is to have one continuous
line running from one side of the yoke (say starboard), along the
starboard gunwale to a small block attached, say, to a bulkhead
forward or to the gunwale itself, across to the port side, through
another
block and back to the port yoke. This continuous line can be pulled
back and forth with one hand to steer. The great advantage is that you
can steer equally well from anywhere in the boat. It may help to
add some fairleads or run the lines under the deck to avoid their
getting tangled with other lines.
Andrew
______________________________________________________
Andrew Kitchen
155 Thistledown Drive
Rochester, NY 14617-3048
> The item that puzzles me is the steering set up. It appears there are
> two steering lines running from a yoke on the rudder, terminating with
> a toggle on each end? My question is - how does one use these toggles
> and still have a hand free for the main sheet?
Either pedals or a dead man throttle type steering stick.
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM, prairiedog2332<arvent@...>wrote:I really like the sailing rig option as shown on page 50 of BWAOM and am thinking of adapting it to a sailing canoe. The leeboard set-up is especially elegant, as it flips up aft if the leeboard hits an obstruction, but still keeps the leeboard vertical and parallel to the water flow. And is easy to install and remove with only two loops of line secured to holes in each gunwale to secure it.
The item that puzzles me is the steering set up. It appears there are two steering lines running from a yoke on the rudder, terminating with a toggle on each end? My question is - how does one use these toggles and still have a hand free for the main sheet?
Any thoughts one this? Or options?
BTW - anyone considering adapting a sail rig for a canoe, the 35 square ft. sail shown here is a steal for $100. Calls for a 7' 6" mast, same as an Optimist Dinghy. Perhaps an 8' closet rod might work!
http://www.neilprydesails.com/store/pram.htm
Thanks,
Nels
Nels
I really like the sailing rig option as shown on page 50 of BWAOM and am thinking of adapting it to a sailing canoe. The leeboard set-up is especially elegant, as it flips up aft if the leeboard hits an obstruction, but still keeps the leeboard vertical and parallel to the water flow. And is easy to install and remove with only two loops of line secured to holes in each gunwale to secure it.
The item that puzzles me is the steering set up. It appears there are two steering lines running from a yoke on the rudder, terminating with a toggle on each end? My question is - how does one use these toggles and still have a hand free for the main sheet?
Any thoughts one this? Or options?
BTW - anyone considering adapting a sail rig for a canoe, the 35 square ft. sail shown here is a steal for $100. Calls for a 7' 6" mast, same as an Optimist Dinghy. Perhaps an 8' closet rod might work!
http://www.neilprydesails.com/store/pram.htm
Thanks,
Nels
Nels
The item that puzzles me is the steering set up. It appears there are two steering lines running from a yoke on the rudder, terminating with a toggle on each end? My question is - how does one use these toggles and still have a hand free for the main sheet?
Any thoughts one this? Or options?
BTW - anyone considering adapting a sail rig for a canoe, the 35 square ft. sail shown here is a steal for $100. Calls for a 7' 6" mast, same as an Optimist Dinghy. Perhaps an 8' closet rod might work!
http://www.neilprydesails.com/store/pram.htm
Thanks,
Nels
Nels