Re: Micro/Long Micro in the UK?
Strip planking has been mentioned briefly. For your purposes this means thicker strips that are edge nailed rather than the 1/4 inch strips used for canoes. Steve Redmond has a good description here:
http://www.sredmond.com/strip_plank.htm
No plywood needed. You would likely require access to epoxy and fiberglass. The rest could be lumber. Search strip plank boats.
Can anyone suggest suitable designs using this planking method?
Joe T
http://www.sredmond.com/strip_plank.htm
No plywood needed. You would likely require access to epoxy and fiberglass. The rest could be lumber. Search strip plank boats.
Can anyone suggest suitable designs using this planking method?
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stephenwarrick@..." <s.warrick@...> wrote:
>
> Bill & Everyone else, This is all great stuff. I really do have a much
> better idea now of how I am going to do this. The workshop has full
> width doors at one end, which can all be lifted off and big framed
> ventilation flaps at the far end, which can also be removed. It is an
> agricultural poly-tunnel that I have built as a workshop. I have 20ft
> from end to end, so enough space I think. I will let you all know
> tomorrow how I'm going to proceed. It's dark here now and blowing a
> hooly, no more measuring and clearing out tonight, I think we're in for
> some rough weather.
> Once again thanks for all your input everyone. I have only been on this
> forum for a couple of days and you have all made me most welcome.
> I'll start a new thread with the shop preparation etc. as that will be a
> new topic.Stephen
>
I've seen photos where people added a vestibule to their shop using
2x4's and clear poly film, and had the nose of the boat a-building
sticking out the door.
Patrick
stephenwarrick@...wrote:
2x4's and clear poly film, and had the nose of the boat a-building
sticking out the door.
Patrick
stephenwarrick@...wrote:
> I'm just measuring out the workshop (which is full of junk) to see if I really can build a Long Micro in it. It's not so much the width but the length, which might demand a strict diet if I am to squeeze past the ends of the boat. The other challenge is the shop stove which might be too close to the construction if it is the long version...hmmm I can smell the toasting plywood already!
>
> If it is practical then I'll order the LM plans from PB&F (thanks Susanne). Still, might end up ordering the original though if it is all a tight fit.
>
> Watch this thread for the next thrilling episode...!
> Stephen
>
> PS
> It just occurred to me that I could try building corner to corner across the shop...hmm...now let me see...
Bill & Everyone else,
This is all great stuff. I really do have a much better idea now of how I am going to do this. The workshop has full width doors at one end, which can all be lifted off and big framed ventilation flaps at the far end, which can also be removed. It is an agricultural poly-tunnel that I have built as a workshop. I have 20ft from end to end, so enough space I think. I will let you all know tomorrow how I'm going to proceed. It's dark here now and blowing a hooly, no more measuring and clearing out tonight, I think we're in for some rough weather.
Once again thanks for all your input everyone. I have only been on this forum for a couple of days and you have all made me most welcome.
I'll start a new thread with the shop preparation etc. as that will be a new topic.
Stephen
Stephen,
A few random, and hopefully helpful, thoughts as you plan:
I built my LM on a ladder-frame/strong back thing-a-majig. I put caster wheels on the bottom so I could roll the boat around and occasionally take my LM outside for some sunshine. I found the rolling ladder frame made moving the boat much easier. Build the frame low to the ground to conserve overhead space.
The long parts of the LM are:
1. the mast (approx. 30 feet long). I ended up laminating mine in my house, between the living room and kitchen. I was single at the time and laminating my mast in my house ensured that I remained single.
2. Upright, the hull with the keel attached makes the LM a little over
six feet tall (a few cm's over 2 meters on my rolling strongback). Make sure your shop space and the entry door can accommodate this height. Once you attach the bow tabernacle, the height increases well over 6 feet. In fact, I could not install my bow tabernacle in my garage, but fortunately moved into a much larger shop to complete construction. Had I not moved, I would have resorted to pulling the bow out the garage door and building a temporary tent over the bow to continue working.
3. My first garage was approx. 22 feet long. I usually kept the big door open, so I could walk down each side of the hull, but the transom was very close to the back wall. It worked out. Where there is a will there's a way.
Bill, in Texas
Long Micro Pugnacious
A few random, and hopefully helpful, thoughts as you plan:
I built my LM on a ladder-frame/strong back thing-a-majig. I put caster wheels on the bottom so I could roll the boat around and occasionally take my LM outside for some sunshine. I found the rolling ladder frame made moving the boat much easier. Build the frame low to the ground to conserve overhead space.
The long parts of the LM are:
1. the mast (approx. 30 feet long). I ended up laminating mine in my house, between the living room and kitchen. I was single at the time and laminating my mast in my house ensured that I remained single.
2. Upright, the hull with the keel attached makes the LM a little over
six feet tall (a few cm's over 2 meters on my rolling strongback). Make sure your shop space and the entry door can accommodate this height. Once you attach the bow tabernacle, the height increases well over 6 feet. In fact, I could not install my bow tabernacle in my garage, but fortunately moved into a much larger shop to complete construction. Had I not moved, I would have resorted to pulling the bow out the garage door and building a temporary tent over the bow to continue working.
3. My first garage was approx. 22 feet long. I usually kept the big door open, so I could walk down each side of the hull, but the transom was very close to the back wall. It worked out. Where there is a will there's a way.
Bill, in Texas
Long Micro Pugnacious
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stephenwarrick@..." <s.warrick@...> wrote:
>
> I'm just measuring out the workshop (which is full of junk) to see if I really can build a Long Micro in it. It's not so much the width but the length, which might demand a strict diet if I am to squeeze past the ends of the boat. The other challenge is the shop stove which might be too close to the construction if it is the long version...hmmm I can smell the toasting plywood already!
>
> If it is practical then I'll order the LM plans from PB&F (thanks Susanne). Still, might end up ordering the original though if it is all a tight fit.
>
> Watch this thread for the next thrilling episode...!
> Stephen
>
> PS
> It just occurred to me that I could try building corner to corner across the shop...hmm...now let me see...
>
> boat. I really do know someone who built a boat in a garage and had toTo build my 31 foot Topaz in my 20 foot garage I removed the exterior
> take out part of the wall the garage door was in, to get the boat out
wall at the rear of the garage, and tented. (Possible here in
California, where it rarely freezes and only occasionally rains.
Replacing that stud & plaster wall when I am done will be a small
task, relative to the 1,001 other distinct tasks that comprise the
making of a boat.
prairiedog2332 wrote:
stick through. If you build corner to corner make sure you can swing it
around to get it out the door remember you have to measure the boat from
one corner of the transom to the bow. Not down the center line of the
boat. I really do know someone who built a boat in a garage and had to
take out part of the wall the garage door was in, to get the boat out
:-[ ME!
Doug
>If you have a garage door build a tent over it and let the bow or stern
> Great write-up and build article here:
>
>http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/index.htm
> <http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/index.htm>
>
> Shows an alternate keel construction from the plans though.
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Martin Roberts <martin.me.roberts@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Susanne,
> > I was going to allow Stephen to view my plans but I would not allow
> > him to build from them as they have ineffect been used and license is
> > now expired.
> >
> > Hope you are feeling more yourself.
> >
> > Martin
> >
>
>
stick through. If you build corner to corner make sure you can swing it
around to get it out the door remember you have to measure the boat from
one corner of the transom to the bow. Not down the center line of the
boat. I really do know someone who built a boat in a garage and had to
take out part of the wall the garage door was in, to get the boat out
:-[ ME!
Doug
Great write-up and build article here:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/index.htm
Shows an alternate keel construction from the plans though.
Nels
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Martin Roberts <martin.me.roberts@...> wrote:
>
> Susanne,
> I was going to allow Stephen to view my plans but I would not allow
> him to build from them as they have ineffect been used and license is
> now expired.
>
> Hope you are feeling more yourself.
>
> Martin
>
I'm just measuring out the workshop (which is full of junk) to see if I really can build a Long Micro in it. It's not so much the width but the length, which might demand a strict diet if I am to squeeze past the ends of the boat. The other challenge is the shop stove which might be too close to the construction if it is the long version...hmmm I can smell the toasting plywood already!
If it is practical then I'll order the LM plans from PB&F (thanks Susanne). Still, might end up ordering the original though if it is all a tight fit.
Watch this thread for the next thrilling episode...!
Stephen
PS
It just occurred to me that I could try building corner to corner across the shop...hmm...now let me see...
If it is practical then I'll order the LM plans from PB&F (thanks Susanne). Still, might end up ordering the original though if it is all a tight fit.
Watch this thread for the next thrilling episode...!
Stephen
PS
It just occurred to me that I could try building corner to corner across the shop...hmm...now let me see...
Thank you for the note and kind words. Much
appreciated. I am getting better, but correspondence routines are still
spotty. Susanne
----- Original Message -----From:Martin RobertsSent:Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:04 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Micro/Long Micro in the UK?Susanne,
I was going to allow Stephen to view my plans but I would not allow
him to build from them as they have ineffect been used and license is
now expired.
Hope you are feeling more yourself.
Martin
Susanne,
I was going to allow Stephen to view my plans but I would not allow
him to build from them as they have ineffect been used and license is
now expired.
Hope you are feeling more yourself.
Martin
I was going to allow Stephen to view my plans but I would not allow
him to build from them as they have ineffect been used and license is
now expired.
Hope you are feeling more yourself.
Martin
Plans always from Phil Bolger & Friends.
Please contact PB&F privately once you sare ready to order.
Enjoy your MICRO experience.
Susanne.
Please contact PB&F privately once you sare ready to order.
Enjoy your MICRO experience.
Susanne.
----- Original Message -----From:stephenwarrick@...Sent:Monday, November 16, 2009 7:29 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: Micro/Long Micro in the UK?Hi Bill, Martin has dropped me a line via email but he didn't construct his Micro himself. I suppose I was really trying to get first hand info on the build process and possibly to find a set of plans already in the UK. I have seen the videos of Martin's boat on YouTube and I was very impressed.
He has very kindly offered to let me have a closer look in the future.
This should enable me get a better feel for the scale of it and to decide if I am going to attempt the long version or stick with the original. So does anyone have a set of plans already in the UK?
This prompts me to also ask about the debate on where plans for the Micro/Long Micro should be sourced?...from PB&F or CSB? What is the procedure and who has the most up to date and best quality versions?
A lot of questions I know but I'm suddenly eager to start as the recession has provided me with the blessing of lots of free time (if you get my drift...!) and I'm not going to waste it.
Stephen
Hi Bill, Martin has dropped me a line via email but he didn't construct his Micro himself. I suppose I was really trying to get first hand info on the build process and possibly to find a set of plans already in the UK. I have seen the videos of Martin's boat on YouTube and I was very impressed.
He has very kindly offered to let me have a closer look in the future.
This should enable me get a better feel for the scale of it and to decide if I am going to attempt the long version or stick with the original. So does anyone have a set of plans already in the UK?
This prompts me to also ask about the debate on where plans for the Micro/Long Micro should be sourced?...from PB&F or CSB? What is the procedure and who has the most up to date and best quality versions?
A lot of questions I know but I'm suddenly eager to start as the recession has provided me with the blessing of lots of free time (if you get my drift...!) and I'm not going to waste it.
Stephen
He has very kindly offered to let me have a closer look in the future.
This should enable me get a better feel for the scale of it and to decide if I am going to attempt the long version or stick with the original. So does anyone have a set of plans already in the UK?
This prompts me to also ask about the debate on where plans for the Micro/Long Micro should be sourced?...from PB&F or CSB? What is the procedure and who has the most up to date and best quality versions?
A lot of questions I know but I'm suddenly eager to start as the recession has provided me with the blessing of lots of free time (if you get my drift...!) and I'm not going to waste it.
Stephen
Stephen,
Welcome aboard. Martin posted here in reference to Dylan Winter's video of his sssswwwweeeeeeettttt Bolger Micro.
Post number 61553 (October 04, 2009). You should be able to dig his email out of the post. Or drop an email to Dylan Winter (his email appears at the end of his YouTube videos) and ask for Martin's contact info.
The only other Micro from the UK I know of was never finished (that I tell). It was under construction by John Morrice, and he had a webisite. The build moved forward in fits and starts during 1999 and 2000, and then the webpage lay dormant for years and is now gone.
http://www.pentode.demon.co.uk/
I do not know what happened to the boat. Anyone?
The bottom line is that the UK needs more Micros (and maybe even a Long Micro). Get building and share updates and pictures!
Bill, in Texas
Long Micro Pugnacious
Welcome aboard. Martin posted here in reference to Dylan Winter's video of his sssswwwweeeeeeettttt Bolger Micro.
Post number 61553 (October 04, 2009). You should be able to dig his email out of the post. Or drop an email to Dylan Winter (his email appears at the end of his YouTube videos) and ask for Martin's contact info.
The only other Micro from the UK I know of was never finished (that I tell). It was under construction by John Morrice, and he had a webisite. The build moved forward in fits and starts during 1999 and 2000, and then the webpage lay dormant for years and is now gone.
http://www.pentode.demon.co.uk/
I do not know what happened to the boat. Anyone?
The bottom line is that the UK needs more Micros (and maybe even a Long Micro). Get building and share updates and pictures!
Bill, in Texas
Long Micro Pugnacious
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stephenwarrick@..." <s.warrick@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm new here and initially I would like to know if anyone on the forum in the UK has built a Micro of any description? I'm planning to start one soon and would like to talk to anyone in the UK who has already completed one. I believe Martin Roberts has one on the Deben, is he active on the forum? Thanks for any help. Stephen
>
Hi everyone, I'm new here and initially I would like to know if anyone on the forum in the UK has built a Micro of any description? I'm planning to start one soon and would like to talk to anyone in the UK who has already completed one. I believe Martin Roberts has one on the Deben, is he active on the forum? Thanks for any help. Stephen